They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, there is a conspiracy under every rock. Sure.

Can you name the staffer/volunteer who got fired - yes or no? It's a very simple question. On 60 Minutes recently, Scott Pelley claimed Hillary had pneumonia when she fainted. When pressed on how he knew that, he said "Well, the campaign told us that." Same thing here. And mental peons like you consume it without question.

There is no reason to know the person's name. The head of the campaign said she fired the person right away. Every article I have read has said the same thing. There has never ANY proof that Clinton herself promoted the birther idea.

As someone who has worked on campaigns and been a lifelong fan of politics, I can tell ya, when a staffer is fired their name gets leaked or released.

Yet, instead of accepting this simple solution, you want to make it a complicated conspiracy with hidden agendas, schemes that have no evidence even existed, and demand proof for things that don't need any proof.

No, I am sticking to facts and experience. When staffers get fired, a name is usually released. And I can point you to countless examples of that (links below). So I'm asking again, who was fired? And if you can't name them, aren't you simply repeating campaign talking points?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 083238679d

http://nypost.com/2015/12/18/sanders-st ... ta-breach/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01524.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... nwise-man/

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... video-flap

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop- ... ort-220303

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/ ... index.html

[Memorex]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/ ... e-to-lead/

[Boomchild]

IMO, Kiosks are going to be a disaster. I remember when they added the Coke machines that were able to serve a 100 different varieties. During busy times, they had to have someone standing by the pop machine to explain to people how to use it. A complete waste of time

Digital ordering online is something every restaurant should have nowadays. I can see that working...and IS in many places already.

Unlikely. Both McDonald's as well as Wendy's have been test marketing this concept for awhile now. I doubt they would move forward if there were big problems with it. Besides this isn't something were they are pioneers. I live in the Philly, PA. area and there is a very popular convenience store chain called WAWA which has sandwich and food making kitchens in them. They have had these ordering kiosks in their stores for years. They have had amazing success with them and it increased their business since they could take many more orders then using cashiers to do it.

[Boomchild]

Frustrated Democrats hoping to elevate their election fortunes have a resounding message for party leaders: Stop talking so much about Russia.

Democratic leaders have been beating the drum this year over the ongoing probes into the Trump administration’s potential ties to Moscow, taking every opportunity to highlight the saga and forcing floor votes designed to uncover any business dealings the president might have with Russian figures.

But rank-and-file Democrats say the Russia-Trump narrative is simply a non-issue with district voters, who are much more worried about bread-and-butter economic concerns like jobs, wages and the cost of education and healthcare.

In the wake of a string of special-election defeats, an increasing number of Democrats are calling for an adjustment in party messaging, one that swings the focus from Russia to the economy. The outcome of the 2018 elections, they say, hinges on how well the Democrats manage that shift.

“We can't just talk about Russia because people back in Ohio aren't really talking that much about Russia, about Putin, about Michael Flynn,” Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) told MSNBC Thursday. “They're trying to figure out how they're going to make the mortgage payment, how they're going to pay for their kids to go to college, what their energy bill looks like.

“And if we don't talk more about their interest than we do about how we're so angry with Donald Trump and everything that's going on,” he added, “then we're never going to be able to win elections.”

Ryan is among the small group of Democrats who are sounding calls for a changing of the guard atop the party’s leadership hierarchy following Tuesday’s special election defeat in Georgia — the Democrats’ fourth loss since Trump took office. But Ryan is hardly alone in urging party leaders to hone their 2018 message.

Rep. Tim Walz (D-Minn.) has been paying particularly close attention to voters’ concerns because he’s running for governor in 2018. The Russia-Trump investigation, he said, isn’t on their radar.

“I did a 22-county tour. … Nobody’s focusing on that,” Walz said. “That’s not to say that they don’t think Russia and those things are important, [but] it’s certainly not top on their minds.”

Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) delivered a similar message, saying his constituents are most concerned with two things: dysfunction in Washington and the Republicans’ plans to repeal ObamaCare. The controversies surrounding Trump, he said, don’t tally.

"We should be focused relentlessly on economic improvement [and] we should stay away from just piling on the criticism of Trump, whether it’s about Russia, whether it’s about Comey. Because that has its own independent dynamic, it’s going to happen on its own without us piling on,“ Welch said.

"We’re much better off if we just do the hard work of coming up with an agenda. Talking about Trump and Russia doesn’t create an agenda.”

Good luck with that.

[Memorex]

Frustrated Democrats hoping to elevate their election fortunes have a resounding message for party leaders: Stop talking so much about Russia.

In my every day life, around all political types, no one is talking about Russia except to mock it's coverage. Everyone at work makes jokes - "Oh, that must have been the Russians..." Many people I know are sick of the wall to wall coverage because pro-Trump or anti-Trump, they all feel there are far more important things to worry about.

I think the Anti-Trump people always knew there was no story there, but were hoping early on that maybe it would be true. But I have not met anyone that actually thinks there is a real concern. Anyone who can think critically knows it was all BS. And so months go on and people are like ok, but when are we going to talk about these other things? Even people that hate Trump, they would much rather be talking about the Paris agreement or the reduction in regulations than Russia. They see all the changes Trump is making and feel like the media is watching the bird on one of his hands while the other hand is doing all the work.

[Memorex]

Frustrated Democrats hoping to elevate their election fortunes have a resounding message for party leaders: Stop talking so much about Russia.

In my every day life, around all political types, no one is talking about Russia except to mock it's coverage. Everyone at work makes jokes - "Oh, that must have been the Russians..." Many people I know are sick of the wall to wall coverage because pro-Trump or anti-Trump, they all feel there are far more important things to worry about.

I think the Anti-Trump people always knew there was no story there, but were hoping early on that maybe it would be true. But I have not met anyone that actually thinks there is a real concern. Anyone who can think critically knows it was all BS. And so months go on and people are like ok, but when are we going to talk about these other things? Even people that hate Trump, they would much rather be talking about the Paris agreement or the reduction in regulations than Russia. They see all the changes Trump is making and feel like the media is watching the bird on one of his hands while the other hand is doing all the work.

And to add - Democrats are starting to see the investigations turn toward their party and are like, ok, enough now. We can end this now. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Boomchild]

If you think Libs have been acting crazy lately, watch what happens if this goes down, it will be epic.


Justice Anthony Kennedy, the man who so often determines the outcome of the most controversial Supreme Court cases, is himself the center of brewing speculation. Will he stay or will he go?

The rumors have swirled for months and the 80-year-old justice has done nothing either personally or though intermediaries to set the record straight on whether he will step down.

Good Lord, no wonder we have problems. Letting people that are 80 years old make decisions.

[Memorex]

A majority of voters believe the Russia investigations are damaging to the country and are eager to see Congress shift its focus to healthcare, terrorism, national security, the economy and jobs.

Those are the findings of the latest Harvard-Harris Poll survey, provided exclusively to The Hill.

73 percent say they’re concerned that the Russia probes have caused Congress to lose focus on the issues important to them. That figure encompasses 81 percent of Republicans, 74 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats.

“While the voters have a keen interest in any Russian election interference, they are concerned that the investigations have become a distraction for the president and Congress that is hurting rather than helping the country,” said Harvard-Harris co-director Mark Penn. “Most voters believe that the president's actions don't rise to the level of impeachable offenses, even if some of them were inappropriate.”

[Monker]

Frustrated Democrats hoping to elevate their election fortunes have a resounding message for party leaders: Stop talking so much about Russia.

Democratic leaders have been beating the drum this year over the ongoing probes into the Trump administration’s potential ties to Moscow, taking every opportunity to highlight the saga and forcing floor votes designed to uncover any business dealings the president might have with Russian figures.

But rank-and-file Democrats say the Russia-Trump narrative is simply a non-issue with district voters, who are much more worried about bread-and-butter economic concerns like jobs, wages and the cost of education and healthcare.

In the wake of a string of special-election defeats, an increasing number of Democrats are calling for an adjustment in party messaging, one that swings the focus from Russia to the economy. The outcome of the 2018 elections, they say, hinges on how well the Democrats manage that shift.

“We can't just talk about Russia because people back in Ohio aren't really talking that much about Russia, about Putin, about Michael Flynn,” Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) told MSNBC Thursday. “They're trying to figure out how they're going to make the mortgage payment, how they're going to pay for their kids to go to college, what their energy bill looks like.

“And if we don't talk more about their interest than we do about how we're so angry with Donald Trump and everything that's going on,” he added, “then we're never going to be able to win elections.”

Ryan is among the small group of Democrats who are sounding calls for a changing of the guard atop the party’s leadership hierarchy following Tuesday’s special election defeat in Georgia — the Democrats’ fourth loss since Trump took office. But Ryan is hardly alone in urging party leaders to hone their 2018 message.

Rep. Tim Walz (D-Minn.) has been paying particularly close attention to voters’ concerns because he’s running for governor in 2018. The Russia-Trump investigation, he said, isn’t on their radar.

“I did a 22-county tour. … Nobody’s focusing on that,” Walz said. “That’s not to say that they don’t think Russia and those things are important, [but] it’s certainly not top on their minds.”

Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) delivered a similar message, saying his constituents are most concerned with two things: dysfunction in Washington and the Republicans’ plans to repeal ObamaCare. The controversies surrounding Trump, he said, don’t tally.

"We should be focused relentlessly on economic improvement [and] we should stay away from just piling on the criticism of Trump, whether it’s about Russia, whether it’s about Comey. Because that has its own independent dynamic, it’s going to happen on its own without us piling on,“ Welch said.

"We’re much better off if we just do the hard work of coming up with an agenda. Talking about Trump and Russia doesn’t create an agenda.”

Good luck with that.

I think you're wrong. The four elections that they have lost were nothing but anti-Trump talk. They need more than that to win, which should have been obvious. So, anybody looking at this should know that Democrats need to come up with a direction. With midterms coming up, I think you'll see that developing soon.

[Monker]

Frustrated Democrats hoping to elevate their election fortunes have a resounding message for party leaders: Stop talking so much about Russia.

Democratic leaders have been beating the drum this year over the ongoing probes into the Trump administration’s potential ties to Moscow, taking every opportunity to highlight the saga and forcing floor votes designed to uncover any business dealings the president might have with Russian figures.

But rank-and-file Democrats say the Russia-Trump narrative is simply a non-issue with district voters, who are much more worried about bread-and-butter economic concerns like jobs, wages and the cost of education and healthcare.

In the wake of a string of special-election defeats, an increasing number of Democrats are calling for an adjustment in party messaging, one that swings the focus from Russia to the economy. The outcome of the 2018 elections, they say, hinges on how well the Democrats manage that shift.

“We can't just talk about Russia because people back in Ohio aren't really talking that much about Russia, about Putin, about Michael Flynn,” Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) told MSNBC Thursday. “They're trying to figure out how they're going to make the mortgage payment, how they're going to pay for their kids to go to college, what their energy bill looks like.

“And if we don't talk more about their interest than we do about how we're so angry with Donald Trump and everything that's going on,” he added, “then we're never going to be able to win elections.”

Ryan is among the small group of Democrats who are sounding calls for a changing of the guard atop the party’s leadership hierarchy following Tuesday’s special election defeat in Georgia — the Democrats’ fourth loss since Trump took office. But Ryan is hardly alone in urging party leaders to hone their 2018 message.

Rep. Tim Walz (D-Minn.) has been paying particularly close attention to voters’ concerns because he’s running for governor in 2018. The Russia-Trump investigation, he said, isn’t on their radar.

“I did a 22-county tour. … Nobody’s focusing on that,” Walz said. “That’s not to say that they don’t think Russia and those things are important, [but] it’s certainly not top on their minds.”

Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) delivered a similar message, saying his constituents are most concerned with two things: dysfunction in Washington and the Republicans’ plans to repeal ObamaCare. The controversies surrounding Trump, he said, don’t tally.

"We should be focused relentlessly on economic improvement [and] we should stay away from just piling on the criticism of Trump, whether it’s about Russia, whether it’s about Comey. Because that has its own independent dynamic, it’s going to happen on its own without us piling on,“ Welch said.

"We’re much better off if we just do the hard work of coming up with an agenda. Talking about Trump and Russia doesn’t create an agenda.”

Good luck with that.

I think you're wrong. The four elections that they have lost were nothing but anti-Trump talk. They need more than that to win, which should have been obvious. So, anybody looking at this should know that Democrats need to come up with a direction. With midterms coming up, I think you'll see that developing soon.

[Monker]

IMO, Kiosks are going to be a disaster. I remember when they added the Coke machines that were able to serve a 100 different varieties. During busy times, they had to have someone standing by the pop machine to explain to people how to use it. A complete waste of time

Digital ordering online is something every restaurant should have nowadays. I can see that working...and IS in many places already.

Unlikely. Both McDonald's as well as Wendy's have been test marketing this concept for awhile now. I doubt they would move forward if there were big problems with it. Besides this isn't something were they are pioneers. I live in the Philly, PA. area and there is a very popular convenience store chain called WAWA which has sandwich and food making kitchens in them. They have had these ordering kiosks in their stores for years. They have had amazing success with them and it increased their business since they could take many more orders then using cashiers to do it.

There is a big difference between a convenience store and a fast food joint that may have 20 people in line between the registers and drive through. A kiosk is going to be one more line that people are going to have to keep track of. And, if it takes the place of one or more registers it would have the potential to negatively affect sales if people don't 'get' how to use the kiosk and slows down the line and serving few customers. As a result, an employee will have to watch the kiosk to verifiy the line keeps moving and nobody needs help.

It's more comparable to the self-checkouts at Wal-mart. You have one person helping maybe 10 people checking out their stuff. That works at Wal-Mart because it is cost effective to pay one person that multiple people to man more registers. But, I doubt McDonald's can use it at that same scale. A couple kiosks with one employee watching them is not going to do much good.

[Boomchild]

There is a big difference between a convenience store and a fast food joint that may have 20 people in line between the registers and drive through. A kiosk is going to be one more line that people are going to have to keep track of. And, if it takes the place of one or more registers it would have the potential to negatively affect sales if people don't 'get' how to use the kiosk and slows down the line and serving few customers. As a result, an employee will have to watch the kiosk to verifiy the line keeps moving and nobody needs help.

It's more comparable to the self-checkouts at Wal-mart. You have one person helping maybe 10 people checking out their stuff. That works at Wal-Mart because it is cost effective to pay one person that multiple people to man more registers. But, I doubt McDonald's can use it at that same scale. A couple kiosks with one employee watching them is not going to do much good.

Based on your response I can tell you are unfamiliar with the convenience chain I am talking about. They do not have and there hasn't been a need for employees to monitor and assist with the use of their kiosks. They have grown that part of their business and have the same amount of customers at a clip the fast food joints do. Your also are not taking into account that McDonald's has been test marking their system in some of their locations for quite some time. In cities like L.A.. If they had major issues with it, I highly doubt they would be looking to roll it out to many other locations. Regardless of the pressure to raise minimum wage to $15\HR, this type of automation was coming to these "low skill" or "no skill" jobs. The pressure to raise the minimum wage has only caused businesses to fast track their plans.

Also, if you haven't experienced McDonald's system first hand then your points are mere speculation at best.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Unlikely. Both McDonald's as well as Wendy's have been test marketing this concept for awhile now. I doubt they would move forward if there were big problems with it. Besides this isn't something were they are pioneers. I live in the Philly, PA. area and there is a very popular convenience store chain called WAWA which has sandwich and food making kitchens in them. They have had these ordering kiosks in their stores for years. They have had amazing success with them and it increased their business since they could take many more orders then using cashiers to do it.

Yup, and in other parts of PA , we have Sheetz. Their touchscreen technology is even crazier than Wawa with even more selections. It works very well. The restaurant chain Red Robin has also been using a form of this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There is a big difference between a convenience store and a fast food joint that may have 20 people in line between the registers and drive through. A kiosk is going to be one more line that people are going to have to keep track of. And, if it takes the place of one or more registers it would have the potential to negatively affect sales if people don't 'get' how to use the kiosk and slows down the line and serving few customers. As a result, an employee will have to watch the kiosk to verifiy the line keeps moving and nobody needs help.

It's more comparable to the self-checkouts at Wal-mart. You have one person helping maybe 10 people checking out their stuff. That works at Wal-Mart because it is cost effective to pay one person that multiple people to man more registers. But, I doubt McDonald's can use it at that same scale. A couple kiosks with one employee watching them is not going to do much good.

Based on your response I can tell you are unfamiliar with the convenience chain I am talking about. They do not have and there hasn't been a need for employees to monitor and assist with the use of their kiosks. They have grown that part of their business and have the same amount of customers at a clip the fast food joints do. Your also are not taking into account that McDonald's has been test marking their system in some of their locations for quite some time. In cities like L.A.. If they had major issues with it, I highly doubt they would be looking to roll it out to many other locations. Regardless of the pressure to raise minimum wage to $15\HR, this type of automation was coming to these "low skill" or "no skill" jobs. The pressure to raise the minimum wage has only caused businesses to fast track their plans.

Also, if you haven't experienced McDonald's system first hand then your points are mere speculation at best.

No shit. What else is new. This guy just talks out of his ass.

[S2M]

Conservatives are so fucking transparent. This repealing of Obamacare is just the latest example of the nonsensical thought processes from the Right.

They hate National healthcare because THEY weren't the party that passed it. What they fail to remember(or maybe they do, and do not care) is this is BASICALLY Romney's Massachusett's plan on a wider scale. It's working in my state.

The sad thing is, and for most of the american, voting public this is apparently above their pay grade - for the republicans, this isn't about healthcare...it's about getting a political win...and setting the table for a major tax cut for the rich, top 1%.

[Boomchild]

Yup, and in other parts of PA , we have Sheetz. Their touchscreen technology is even crazier than Wawa with even more selections. It works very well. The restaurant chain Red Robin has also been using a form of this.

Good point. I had forgotten about Red Robin doing this already.

[Boomchild]

Read it and weep Monker, the made up bullshit s quickly coming to an end..

http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the ... p-dossier/

Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators



These fucking people need hung in the public square at high noon.

Of course the info in the dossier was bogus. The "agent" that was the source of the information had his cover blown in Russia way before the time frame the Trump events that were reported.

[slucero]

I'd imagine the release of this NY Times article is coinciding with a lot of DNC staffers stocking up on underwear...


Trump could likely make the claim he has been both slandered and libeled...

People need to go to PRISON for this crap.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They hate National healthcare because THEY weren't the party that passed it. What they fail to remember(or maybe they do, and do not care) is this is BASICALLY Romney's Massachusett's plan on a wider scale. It's working in my state.

Neither of the 2 major parties have any interest in national healthcare. Obama promised to fight for public-option and then dropped it. ACA was pretty much an unusable boon to the HMOs. Everyone I know on Obamacare, hates it. As for the Trump plan...it's garbage. We have 2 options - single payer or do what Rand Paul says. No in-between.

[S2M]

They hate National healthcare because THEY weren't the party that passed it. What they fail to remember(or maybe they do, and do not care) is this is BASICALLY Romney's Massachusett's plan on a wider scale. It's working in my state.

Neither of the 2 major parties have any interest in national healthcare. Obama promised to fight for public-option and then dropped it. ACA was pretty much an unusable boon to the HMOs. Everyone I know on Obamacare, hates it. As for the Trump plan...it's garbage. We have 2 options - single payer or do what Rand Paul says. No in-between.

Nope...there's a 3rd option. Give everyone in the country access to THE SAME healthcare Washington is graced with.

Healthcare is a RIGHT, or should be. Not a privilege. Health care shouldn't be for profit. I know this is a capitalistic society, but healthcare shouldn't be included in that. Believe me...those greedy fuck Doctors will still get to live their precious high life.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nope...there's a 3rd option. Give everyone in the country access to THE SAME healthcare Washington is graced with.

Can you describe what their access is? Last I heard, they had to buy it through an exchange. They also continue to receive a tax-payer subsidy which goes toward the purchase. Why not expand Medicare and be done with it?

Healthcare is a RIGHT, or should be. Not a privilege. Health care shouldn't be for profit. I know this is a capitalistic society, but healthcare shouldn't be included in that. Believe me...those greedy fuck Doctors will still get to live their precious high life.

Sounds good, but Washington is not blessed with 100% free healthcare. Cut out the HMOs, expand Medicare, call it a day. I am on the phone right now disputing with my provider. They were supposed to cover 5 of my visits to the Chiro and they are refusing. This system sucks!!!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

He governs by executive order. He fires the AG for doing her job and not enforcing an unconstitutional order. That very order is taken to to court...and has been found unConstitutional - multiple times for different states.

Supreme Court disagrees.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 103134132/

[Boomchild]

Supreme Court disagrees.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 103134132/

Just saw the headline. Now the MSM has something to fester over besides Russia! Russia! Russia! Also in the news, Safe Spaces on college campuses across the nation are filled to capacity. They are urging Snowflakes to shelter in place.

[Boomchild]

Healthcare is a RIGHT, or should be. Not a privilege. Health care shouldn't be for profit. I know this is a capitalistic society, but healthcare shouldn't be included in that. Believe me...those greedy fuck Doctors will still get to live their precious high life.

Great. Now point to me where in our Constitution or the Bill of Rights that states it is so.

[S2M]

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[Boomchild]

Can you describe what their access is? Last I heard, they had to buy it through an exchange. They also continue to receive a tax-payer subsidy which goes toward the purchase. Why not expand Medicare and be done with it?

These subsidies really bother me. There is no need for them to get this at the salaries they pull down. When the ACA was going into effect, this was to go away and they went ape shit about it. That is until Obama went back and changed it so they would not lose this perk. Like always, one set of rules for masses and different set for them.

[S2M]

Can you describe what their access is? Last I heard, they had to buy it through an exchange. They also continue to receive a tax-payer subsidy which goes toward the purchase. Why not expand Medicare and be done with it?

These subsidies really bother me. There is no need for them to get this at the salaries they pull down. When the ACA was going into effect, this was to go away and they went ape shit about it. That is until Obama went back and changed it so they would not lose this perk. Like always, one set of rules for masses and different set for them.

Agreed. Same with Farming subsidies. Don't get into farming if you can't support your vocation. And if it's a family thing, like for generations - find something else to do.

[S2M]

Healthcare is a RIGHT, or should be. Not a privilege. Health care shouldn't be for profit. I know this is a capitalistic society, but healthcare shouldn't be included in that. Believe me...those greedy fuck Doctors will still get to live their precious high life.

Great. Now point to me where in our Constitution or the Bill of Rights that states it is so.

Easy...it's not. But riddle me this:

Your 6 year old daughter has leukemia. Pre-existing condition. Insurance won't cover her, because it's not a 'right'. You're not in a position to pay for her medical bills. You try like hell, but ultimately fall short. Are you telling me you're just going to sit back and wax political about health care not being a 'right'?

At the end of the day you can puff out your chest and fall lockstep with the rest of the clueless red losers, but deep down you know it should be a right.

[Boomchild]

Easy...it's not. But riddle me this:

Your 6 year old daughter has leukemia. Pre-existing condition. Insurance won't cover her, because it's not a 'right'. You're not in a position to pay for her medical bills. You try like hell, but ultimately fall short. Are you telling me you're just going to sit back and wax political about health care not being a 'right'?

At the end of the day you can puff out your chest and fall lockstep with the rest of the clueless red losers, but deep down you know it should be a right.

Good question. If I was in this situation I would reach out to the many non profit children's hospitals and agencies that help with access, financial assistance and in some cases do it at no cost. I would do all that I could. That's all anyone could ask of me. I would also look to a higher power for guidance and help. In life, not all things work out the way want or think they should. It's just the way it is. Even in countries where there is universal healthcare people young and old die because they could not obtain the care you are suggesting is a right. There are multiple reasons for this. People get put on long waiting lists and die before it is their turn. Some expensive or highly technical procedures aren't available because the system can't support the cost and\or resources for them. There are many that travel to the U.S. from Canada and other parts of the world to receive treatments that are either not available in their universal healthcare system or the wait list is so long that they will most likely die before they can get what they need.

[Boomchild]