They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nobody here has talked about voting booths. That is your infantile brain leading you astray.

I am talking about this in the context of the Trump administration colluding with Russia and the two committees and special prosecutor investigating him....along with the almost daily news stories about the collusion.

Actually, you said "hacked our election system" or "hacked into our elections" multiple times now. Our system is based on us voting for electors in polling booths in 50 states.
Everything else (alleged Russian bots, fake news) is bullshit.

Hillary colluding with Russia is not on topic here.

I've previously discussed Nixon colluding with S. Vietnam and Reagan/Bush colluding with Iran. I was never told to stop and I don't plan to start listening to you now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Monker is proof that if you have your head up soros ass long enough, you become a brain dead asshole. Sad thing is, he's so stupid and sold out to a Party, he doesn't even know who his head is shoved up. Really sad these stupid idiots vote.

Yeah, it's pretty pathetic. I'm sure Monker's hero (pic below) also thought Boris and Natasha were going around planting USB drives into election booths. Reading Monker's posts is like a hellish descent into madness. At some point, we will have to get the Secret Service involved. No doubt about it.

[Boomchild]

This is genius.....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Anyone remember when the US media repeated w/out question how Russia was also hacking the French election? Anyone remember seeing this follow-up? It barely got a mention. Wake up and smell the con.

https://www.apnews.com/fc570e4b400f4c7db3b0d739e9dc5d4d
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France says no trace of Russian hacking Macron

The head of the French government’s cyber security agency, which investigated leaks from President Emmanuel Macron’s election campaign, says they found no trace of a notorious Russian hacking group behind the attack.

In an interview in his office Thursday with The Associated Press, Guillaume Poupard said the Macron campaign hack “was so generic and simple that it could have been practically anyone.”

He said they found no trace that the Russian hacking group known as APT28, blamed for other attacks including on the U.S. presidential campaign, was responsible.

Poupard is director general of the government cyber-defense agency known in France by its acronym, ANSSI. Its experts were immediately dispatched when documents stolen from the Macron campaign leaked online on May 5 in the closing hours of the presidential race.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Comey obviously has been leaking for years. A loathsome swamp creature who is enamored with his own imagined prestige. Wouldn't be surprised if he has already wrangled a book deal and a TV special out of this.

I don't usually quote myself. But when I'm right, I'm right. This revolving door is part of the problem in DC. Hillary also has a new ghost-written tome coming out. Copies of her last book are still collecting dust at Ollie's bargain outlets all over the US.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... -book.html

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Fired FBI Director James Comey Is Writing a Book

Infamous memo-writer (and former FBI director) James Comey is working on a book about his experience as a public servant. Not surprisingly, the New York Times reports that the book will cover Comey’s doomed tenure in the Trump administration and interactions with the president, and that the upcoming book deal is sure to make the fired FBI director a sizable amount of money. The agents now working for Comey are of the literary kind, and they’ve recently been making the rounds at New York publishers as the book is expected to go up for auction among the major houses next week.

[Boomchild]

I'm sure the progressives and liberals can find a way to justify this one.

[Boomchild]

All Countries have, or will hack into others elections. I think Obama's spending of hundreds of millions to throw Israel's election is far more proof then any of the bull the DNC is pushing. Then there's that Ukraine thing Monker wants posted somewhere else because that's the DNC and Clinton trashing Trump, but doesn't belong here.

Hacking you say? I found an even better example.....

FLASHBACK: TIME Magazine In 1996 Bragged About How U.S. Interfered In Russian Election

Take 1996. Boris Yeltsin, the president of Russia, was up for re-election in the summer and the United States felt that he was easier to deal with than his opposition, Communist rival Gennadi Zyuganov. But Yeltsin, the hard-partying and affable leader, had health problems and his approval rating was dismal -- single digits. His chances did not look good.

Enter the United States, which, in a clandestine operation successfully helped Yeltsin pulled out a win.

"For four months, a group of American political consultants clandestinely participated in guiding Yeltsin's campaign, " Time magazine wrote in a cover story titled "Yanks To The Rescue — The Secret Story Of How American Advisers Helped Yeltsin Win." Here is the inside story of how these advisers helped Yeltsin achieve the victory that will keep reform in Russia alive."

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18593/fla ... benshapiro

BTW, look VERY CLOSELY at the year in which this happened. Just who was POTUS at the time?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I haven't been here that long, can some post up a 1984 Reagan/Kennedy thread to put this in.

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-k ... inson.html

Don't want to be out of order.

LOL.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As an aside, TNC, last August I took a Va-Ca and you died-disappeared and were thankfully mercifully resurrected. I'm in Fla again this week, unfortunately Orlando again, (joy of Grand Kids and cheap Frontier Airlines), please, no more Seth Rich and Wikileaks and Guccifer 2,3,4,5 or 6's. (I couldn't relax due to the constant breaking news and Wifey spending money),

Trump is POTUS and that's just the way it is. Kind of like when lil berry and W. were. Can't we all just get along?

Honestly, last year when we were here, I thought Hilldog was a shoe in. The Olympics in East Bum Fuck were going on, water was green in the Olympic pools, and everyone, including Monker, told me life was hopeless and my type were pieces of shit. It sucked to be me. (and the dude scaling Trump Tower was an afternoon I could have been getting more sunburned)

But now....

revenge is a dish best served cold.

As they say, you win some you lose some. I'm ok with that.

MAGA!

Wish you losers luck in 2019!

you're gonna need it.

Great post, FF. As much as I hated W, it pales in comparison to the antics of the left today. To answer your question, I think we are reaching a point where we can't get along. Trump is the first pro-gay, anti-NAFTA President. There's a lot here for liberals to celebrate if they ever learned to think for themselves.

[Boomchild]

TNC, what you've gotten a dose of here is, you think for yourself. You don't back a agenda. Therefore you've been scorn. Monker ans S2M tow the Party line. They should take a good look at the Banks and CEO's that are their party line. The ones that own their leaders. When I talk to liberals at work, I get very frustrated because they think healthcare is Insurance. It isn't. What it needs is to be affordable. Healthcare is hospitals, doctors, pharmacy, medical equipment, ect. No insurance company is going to offer any plan they don't make a proffit off of. If medical expenses are high, so are health plans, or they won't offer it. That's reality, right or wrong. Liberals think the answer is cheap insurance. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Their going to make 20% or more, or not do it. IT'S A PRODUCT, NOT A RIGHT. If you try to tell this to a liberal, they go right back to their script. They simply put their heads down and head for that cliff. What ever corperate owned CNN or MSNBC tells them. Higher taxes to make rates cheaper for poor people still makes the rich richer, it just comes out of the middle class pocket. I always thought liberals hated rich people, until they become one of them. And yes, many Republicaans are owned too. Trump is not owned. He's seen the game and played the game. That's why the game hates him. I've said many times, there really aren't Republicans and Democrats any more. Just globalist corperate socialists looking to make bank and constitutionalists.

What the healthcare system needs is a healthy dose of competition for services and procedures. Like I have always said, I have NEVER met a poor doctor.

[Monker]

Well, that's interesting.

First, I never said that Russia hacked voting machines. I only said it is possible and gave Stuxnet as an example.

For Stuxnet, the US and Israel hacked the Iranian owned centrifuges used for making weapons grade uranium. I doubt very much that Iran put their centrifuges on the 'net. It was also done without some covert spy sneaking in with a thumbdrive.

Essentially, they wrote a worm that examined the environment it was in. If it did not find very specific things, it stayed harmless and simply replicated itself to other systems and media to spread. This meant that it did not have to be on the 'net to spread. It would copy itself to a thumbdrive and then copy itself to any system it was plugged into, and all of the conecting systems. Again, until it copied itself into a very speciric environment.

It then simply told the centrifuges to spin fast enough to damage them, but report a loop of time that where everything was fine. So, the centrifuge would burn out early. A second version of the worm simply spun the centrifuges as fast as they could go until they burned out, always reporting back that everything was normal.

There was no spies going into Iran to unleash this worm. It was simply released onto the internet but it infected computers off the internet via thumbdrives, CD's, and other media...or by intranet connections. Norton ended up finding it as a "harmless' virus...until they looked closer at the code and realized it was something special...and a probably cyber attack.

It would not be difficult at all to do the same thing and have a virus swap every 10th vote for a (D) to the (R). That would be a 10pt shift to the Republicans and enough to win most elections. And, it would not need some spy with a thumbdrive infecting the machines.

To say it can't be done is incredibly naive. To make up stories of thumbdrives is ignorant of what is possible and already been done with Stuxnet. To make jokes and laugh about it is to not take seriously something that is a very real threat.

[Boomchild]

From Wikileaks:

Fusion states it spread Trump "dodgy dossier" claims to NYT, WP, CNN, The New Yorker, Yahoo News and Mother Jones.



https://www.facebook.com/18196145514790 ... =3&theater

[Boomchild]

[Boomchild]

More from Wikileaks:

Pro-Russia hacker site (or front) "Cyber Berkut" publishes alleged links between Ukraine and Clinton cyber-berkut.org/en/

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

...and then there are these endless posts of every other politician in the country doing something percieved to be "illegal" or comparable to Trump's Presidency colluding with Russia.

It's irrelevent.

Let's just say it's all true and every other politician in the nation has colluded with some other country. That DOES NOT EXCUSE THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND PRESIDENCY. The Republican party is actually making the argument that it is OK for Trump to help Russia further it's goal of influencing the US elections: because it's not technically "illegal", others have done simular things, and they are on our side!

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I bet Mueller will accept that excuse when he starts interviewing these people. I'm sure that will be Junior's story when he is questioned under oath.

Manafort, Kushner, Trump Jr. Flynn. Is there anybody that did not collude with Russia?

It's a pretty sad state of a Presidency.

[slucero]

The most under-covered story of Russia Gate is the interconnection between the Clinton campaign, an unregistered foreign agent of Russia headquartered in DC (Fusion GPS), and the Christopher Steele Orbis dossier. This connection has raised the question of whether Kremlin prepared the dossier as part of a disinformation campaign to sow chaos in the US political system. If ordered and paid for by Hillary Clinton associates, Russia Gate is turned on its head as collusion between Clinton operatives (not Trump’s) and Russian intelligence.

Russia Gate becomes Hillary Gate.

The Fusion-Steele matter is explosive because it suggests that Russia’s most damaging intervention in the 2016 campaign may have been its creation of the Steele Dossier, remarkably paid for by the Clinton campaign!


If so, the Clinton campaign (not Trump) was the prime sponsor of Russia’s intervention in the 2016 election.

[Monker]

It doesn't change anything. The reason why is named Mueller.

He can spend time chasing a dosier that everybody agrees is full of fiction, or interviewing the members of a meeting that everybody agrees happened and Junior's Email chain show collusion, an admission that Russia wants to help elect Trump, and implies that this is not the first communication between them. There is undeniable evidence against Trump.

Mueller has a lot more facts to chase down in just that ONE MEETING where collusion is admitted to.

But, if Mueller feels that a dosier full of fiction is worthy of his time, go for it. I simply doubt he does.

I also find it hillarious that these things suddenly come up after it is shown that collusion between Junior and Russia happened - is FACT...and Donald Judas Trump tweets endlessly about Clinton. You guys are good little lemmings following your leader off his Nixon like cliff.

[Monker]

Mueller was not put there to chase, he was put there to hunt. Like a witch.

Yeeeeahhhhh, Okay.

He's there to hunt like a witch.

You are such a zombie. You repeat Trump's words (witch hunt) without even understanding their meaning.

Zombie.

If there was anything to find, it would be found by now.

What Mueller has found will not be known until the end. He hasn't even finished questioning people yet.

And, neither have the committees.

There is nothing fair about Mueller or his liberal posse. Frankly, his Probe is pathetic.

That's desperation and worry on your part.

[Boomchild]

Please post that proof of collusion by Clinton in another forum. Monker would rather talk about the nothing they are finding on Trump here.

Speaking of this point, if my memory serves me correctly, George W. Bush was brought up quite a bit in the Obama thread. Guess someone needs to go back to that thread and "scrub" those posts from it and create a correct thread for it.

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

Please post that proof of collusion by Clinton in another forum. Monker would rather talk about the nothing they are finding on Trump here.

Speaking of this point, if my memory serves me correctly, George W. Bush was brought up quite a bit in the Obama thread. Guess someone needs to go back to that thread and "scrub" those posts from it and create a correct thread for it.

Look, dumb-asses, KC ASKED ME TO REPLY to something. I told him to put it in the proper forum.

It's pretty telling that you guys freak out over such a small request.

You have NO desire to talk about these things, but only to spam the forum with bullshit distraction.

[Monker]

No, I replied to your bullshit

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You replied to me by typing, "Again, if you want to talk about REAL COLLUSION then lets tak about Ukraine and the Clintons last January. You seem to ignore that one."

YOU ASKED ME TO REPLY TO IT.

You people are such fucking dumb-asses. You don't even understand your own posts. You actually think a "witch hunt" is a bunch of witches who get together to go hunting.

You are a bunch of fucking dumb, t-Virus infected, Trump zombies. Fucking STUPID.

I think everybody would be happy if you took your lies and horse shit and shut the fuck up. Meuller will find nothing. I am worried about nothing. I am waiting for Clinton and Obama to pay for their crimes,collusion, and treason.

If you were not paranoid worried, you would actually talk about Trump and his fucked up Presidency. You know, like health care dying in the senate, or the week of "Buy America" that nobody cared about.

Instead you do as your fuhrer wants and post about Clinton as a distraction. But, doing that really changes nothing. Trump Jr. still had a meeting with the intention to collude with Russia - it's a FACT.

[slucero]

Presidents don't make laws.. Congress does.

Obama didn't pass Obamacare... A Democratic Congress did. And according to their then Speaker of the House they had to "pass the bill to find out what was in it".

This RINO-Congress failure to repeal Obamacare, when they already had a bunch of replacements "ready to go" (a full year before Trump even announced he was running) isn't Trumps failure or fault.

It's this RINO-Congress failure... because passing legislation is the responsibility of Congress.



Pull your head out.

[Boomchild]

That's different. Monker didn't say so.

Oh your right. I didn't consider that aspect.

[Boomchild]

Presidents don't make laws.. Congress does.

Obama didn't pass Obamacare... A Democratic Congress did. And according to their then Speaker of the House they had to "pass the bill to find out what was in it".

This RINO-Congress failure to repeal Obamacare, when they already had a bunch of replacements "ready to go" (a full year before Trump even announced he was running) isn't Trumps failure or fault.

It's this RINO-Congress failure... because passing legislation is the responsibility of Congress.



Pull your head out.

And there is the rub. While the office of POTUS may not have an establishment politician in it, the Congress and the Senate is still full of them. I just hope that with the upcoming elections more of them will be drained from "the swamp". However, I still maintain that we will not fix this country by electing different politicians. In my opinion, a more drastic measure will need to take place in order to do that.

[Monker]

Wow. First of all the RINO congress. I don't know the exact split, but let's say 50% of Republicans are the Freedom caucus...and it is probably much less. That means that only 1/4 of the full congress are "real" Republicans and worthy of support, compared to RINO's and Democrats. Good luck running with that next year.

The "freedom caucus" did not vote against the ACA replacements because they want to only repeal Obamacare and not replace it. They are doing as they are being told by their constituents who HATE the replacement plans that Republicans are putting up. THAT is what they really ran on - being representatives of the people and working for them.

What TRUMP promised was essentially universal health care...everybody would be covered with good policies, better than Obamacare. He argued against leaving anybody uncovered. What Trump promised was to repeal Obamacare and replace it with an even more liberal plan.

NONE of these plans from congress, either in the House or the Senate are what Trump promised and the people rebeled against them. That is why they were voted down.

Correct, congress passes these bills. But, Trump is the leader of the party. The first rule of leadership is that EVERYTHING is your fault. Trump threw it on McConnel and Ryan to figure out. Trump originally said it would be "easy" but he simply did not know what he was talking about. He offered nothing...his leadership brought nothing to the table. He had no "deal making" skills to offer. Nowadays, his approval rating is so bad that there is really no reason for congress to listen to him anyway. So, he can't rally his party to vote the way he wants. That is how presidents get their agenda passed...but Trump can't do it.

The result is a President and party that can't get anything done even though the run both houses of congress and the Presidency.

[Boomchild]

[Boomchild]

I'm not putting this in the Obama thread, just so monker doesn't have to deal with it.

http://madworldnews.com/malia-sasha-gowdy-obama-worst/

The only way Rice would "flip" on Obama is if she would be in danger of very serious criminal charges and needed to work a deal.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well, that's interesting.
First, I never said that Russia hacked voting machines. I only said it is possible and gave Stuxnet as an example.

What's the implication? You are in Glenn Beck territory now. Dropping inflammatory bombs while hiding behind the excuse of "I am only asking questions!"

For Stuxnet, the US and Israel hacked the Iranian owned centrifuges used for making weapons grade uranium. I doubt very much that Iran put their centrifuges on the 'net. It was also done without some covert spy sneaking in with a thumbdrive.

The thumbdrive is the prevailing theory. Nobody knows how it was done. Those that don't believe it was a USB believe the hardware was infected with malware before being shipped to Iran. Either way, the idea that this scenario bears any relationship to a presidential election is insane.

This meant that it did not have to be on the 'net to spread. It would copy itself to a thumbdrive and then copy itself to any system it was plugged into, and all of the conecting systems. Again, until it copied itself into a very speciric environment.

The “connecting system” you are describing is called the internet, dumbass. The Stuxnet would even utilize the IP addresses of computer control systems and report back to servers. Again, voting booths are not connected to the web.

There was no spies going into Iran to unleash this worm. It was simply released onto the internet but it infected computers off the internet via thumbdrives, CD's, and other media...or by intranet connections. Norton ended up finding it as a "harmless' virus...until they looked closer at the code and realized it was something special...and a probably cyber attack.

Link? Everything I read believes it was prolly Israeli spies.

It would not be difficult at all to do the same thing and have a virus swap every 10th vote for a (D) to the (R). That would be a 10pt shift to the Republicans and enough to win most elections. And, it would not need some spy with a thumbdrive infecting the machines.

How would it get on the machines? The machines are not on a network. So, as I said, you are talking about individual machines being tampered with.

To say it can't be done is incredibly naive. To make up stories of thumbdrives is ignorant of what is possible and already been done with Stuxnet. To make jokes and laugh about it is to not take seriously something that is a very real threat.

I guess these people are making things up too. All of them say it was spread by thumb drives. Put up or fuck off.

https://www.cnet.com/news/stuxnet-deliv ... umb-drive/
https://www.wired.com/2014/11/countdown ... y-stuxnet/
https://www.theverge.com/2012/4/12/2944 ... agent-iran
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... orked.html
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/42302 ... ran/?cs=40
https://www.forbes.com/2010/10/06/iran- ... -worm.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world ... wanted=all