Kevin Chalfant

[bluejeangirl76]

That's cuz Perry didn't want to play right up until he was gonna get replaced, then all of a sudden he wanted to play.

Well it did not matter....they went all in when he came back now didn't they!!!

Exactly! I love how SP always gets blamed for tanking Chalfant's chance and "ruining" their opportunity to move on.
Neal & Co. could have said fuck off and they didn't. They said CHA CHING. Give me a break.

This is pure bullshit, Kim. They couldn't have said no. The fans wanted it and they took the dude at his word. That was their only mistake. No one would have went to Journey concerts if Perry was waging a PR campaign had they told him no and went with Chalfant.

That's what I'm saying, they would not have said no, therefore, they were equal if not bigger factors in tanking the Chalfant deal. Perry wandered back, or however it happened, and they said "Cool! Kevin who?" The bread was buttered on the Perry side at that time and everyone knew that.

[Jana]

That's cuz Perry didn't want to play right up until he was gonna get replaced, then all of a sudden he wanted to play.

Well it did not matter....they went all in when he came back now didn't they!!!

Exactly! I love how SP always gets blamed for tanking Chalfant's chance and "ruining" their opportunity to move on.
Neal & Co. could have said fuck off and they didn't. They said CHA CHING. Give me a break.

This is pure bullshit, Kim. They couldn't have said no. The fans wanted it and they took the dude at his word. That was their only mistake. No one would have went to Journey concerts if Perry was waging a PR campaign had they told him no and went with Chalfant.

OH and here we go again!!!

What? The calvary is here.

[Saint John]

If he was happy to be back with Perry, he wouldn't have hired Augeri.

Are you on fucking drugs??? The dude was a no-show when it came time to tour and couldn't even give them an answer on a routine medical procedure. The fact that Perry hasn't played live one time since TBF is proof that he had no intentions of touring because you know God Damn well that if he could sing he would have just to prove that they made the wrong choice. But he hasn't.

[Saint John]

OH and here we go again!!!

Go fuck yourself, bitch.

[portland]

OH and here we go again!!!

Go fuck yourself, bitch.

Thanks Dan!! Love you too! OOPS and I forgot FUCK YOU too!!!

[bluejeangirl76]

That's cuz Perry didn't want to play right up until he was gonna get replaced, then all of a sudden he wanted to play.

Well it did not matter....they went all in when he came back now didn't they!!!

Exactly! I love how SP always gets blamed for tanking Chalfant's chance and "ruining" their opportunity to move on.
Neal & Co. could have said fuck off and they didn't. They said CHA CHING. Give me a break.

This is pure bullshit, Kim. They couldn't have said no. The fans wanted it and they took the dude at his word. That was their only mistake. No one would have went to Journey concerts if Perry was waging a PR campaign had they told him no and went with Chalfant.

OH and here we go again!!!

No, we're not going anywhere. I've gone rounds on this with him in person and after several beers, he's Perry's biggest fan. We're about done here.

[portland]

That's cuz Perry didn't want to play right up until he was gonna get replaced, then all of a sudden he wanted to play.

Well it did not matter....they went all in when he came back now didn't they!!!

Exactly! I love how SP always gets blamed for tanking Chalfant's chance and "ruining" their opportunity to move on.
Neal & Co. could have said fuck off and they didn't. They said CHA CHING. Give me a break.

This is pure bullshit, Kim. They couldn't have said no. The fans wanted it and they took the dude at his word. That was their only mistake. No one would have went to Journey concerts if Perry was waging a PR campaign had they told him no and went with Chalfant.

OH and here we go again!!!

No, we're not going anywhere. I've gone rounds on this with him in person and after several beers, he's Perry's biggest fan. We're about done here.

Yeah well he did not tell you to fuck off bitch now did he?

[Jana]

Neal was happy to be back with Perry and loved making TBF for sure. But then Perry left them high and dry.

Neal was happy to be back with the CASH that Perry brought in.
If he was happy to be back with Perry, he wouldn't have hired Augeri.

He waited and waited and waited. Perry not touring cost them a lot of money. Perry is the one that was just happy to be back for the cash for the album and then lost interest.
Poor Neal and Jon.

Once again BJG ^^^^^ this is all you!!! and I KNOW YOU CAN HANDLE IT!!!!

What? Perry was like a jealous ex-girlfriend. He hears his ex is dating a new hot girl and gets jealous, all about ego, and realizes his ex isn't pining over him anymore. So pulls out all stops and breaks up the new couple (Chalfant/Rolie/Journey) and gets the ex back. Then once that thrill is over, he loses interest again and it's over. Sound familiar.

So then why didn't he break them up after they started going out with one that looked and sounded just like him? (to the untrained, anyway)
He could have wandered back at ANY moment since then too. He didn't. He said "fine, go bang that ho, you're not gettin' no more of THIS action."

It was totally about the money for Neal and the Frigpie. If they were soooooo about the music, why did they just drop the Chalfant thing like a hot potato (if I have the story right...) That went out the window awful quick didn't it? So that means Journey is the ex boyfriend that dumps the average looking girl when Super Jugs comes walking by.

And while we're at it, the Journey entity has really never been a very faithful parter have they? They dumped on FOUR singers for another offer and that's not even counting Kevin!

Sony pushed them back together. And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

[Jana]

If he was happy to be back with Perry, he wouldn't have hired Augeri.

Are you on fucking drugs??? The dude was a no-show when it came time to tour and couldn't even give them an answer on a routine medical procedure. The fact that Perry hasn't played live one time since TBF is proof that he had no intentions of touring because you know God Damn well that if he could sing he would have just to prove that they made the wrong choice. But he hasn't.

yep.

[Saint John]

That's what I'm saying, they would not have said no, therefore, they were equal if not bigger factors in tanking the Chalfant deal. Perry wandered back, or however it happened, and they said "Cool! Kevin who?" The bread was buttered on the Perry side at that time and everyone knew that.

I'm not getting what you're saying at all. Perry went out and performed Journey songs without Journey after they waited for him to "untoast." So, in turn, they tried to reorganize with a lineup that wanted to work. He made the decision to leave ... and to come back ...and then not tour. I'm not sure how that translates into anyone breaking up the Chalfant/Rolie lineup but Perry. Management and promoters would have keeled over laughing if they tried to keep that lineup with Perry saying he's willing to sing. He had an agenda, and that was to keep them from going on without them and he played that game until all of his lies and legal options were exhausted. That year was 1998.

[bluejeangirl76]

And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

People say that because they.... run through singers.

They lied to one while auditioning another, they gave one an untimatum while... auditioning another.... they claimed to be waiting on that one to recover while... auditioning another.... then never bothered to tell THAT one that he was even out and they were... auditioning another....

[Jana]

And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

People say that because they.... run through singers.

They lied to one while auditioning another, they gave one an untimatum while... auditioning another.... they claimed to be waiting on that one to recover while... auditioning another.... then never bothered to tell THAT one that he was even out and they were... auditioning another....

You're just being picky.

[steveo777]

OH and here we go again!!!

Go fuck yourself, bitch.

Well, nobody can say that middle aged Perry fans don't have sex anymore.

[portland]

OH and here we go again!!!

Go fuck yourself, bitch.

Well, nobody can say that middle aged Perry fans don't have sex anymore.

Nice huh??

[bluejeangirl76]

That's what I'm saying, they would not have said no, therefore, they were equal if not bigger factors in tanking the Chalfant deal. Perry wandered back, or however it happened, and they said "Cool! Kevin who?" The bread was buttered on the Perry side at that time and everyone knew that.

I'm not getting what you're saying at all. Perry went out and performed Journey songs without Journey after they waited for him to "untoast." So, in turn, they tried to reorganize with a lineup that wanted to work. He made the decision to leave ... and to come back ...and then not tour. I'm not sure how that translates into anyone breaking up the Chalfant/Rolie lineup but Perry. Management and promoters would have keeled over laughing if they tried to keep that lineup with Perry saying he's willing to sing. He had an agenda, and that was to keep them from going on without them and he played that game until all of his lies and legal options were exhausted. That year was 1998.

I've never said he didn't have motives (be they money or business or music or... who knows, jealousy... whatever else...) or an agenda, as you say, or that he was on the up and up all the time - it would be unreasonable to believe anyone wouldn't be looking out for their own interests, businesswise...

but I don't know the guy or what was behind all that, so i can only speculate, same as anyone else.... what I don't buy is that he jacked up everything all by himself.

this whole thing where everything went south because of him and the rest of those guys never shit on anyone or tanked anyone's deal is what makes no sense. When it's Perry, it's always he the devil and fucked everything up (he punches little harmless kitties, I seen him do it!!)... when it's Neal and Jon & Co. fucking shit up, it's always "Oh they had no choice....they HAD to shit on this or that guy, and they HAD to piss on their own catalog and rerecord everything and they HAD to fire everyone... they were forced" Barf. Please. THEY ALL made bad choices.

[Saint John]

[I've never said he didn't have motives (be they money or business or music or... who knows, jealousy... whatever else...) or an agenda, as you say, or that he was on the up and up all the time - it would be unreasonable to believe anyone wouldn't be looking out for their own interests, businesswise...

but I don't know the guy or what was behind all that, so i can only speculate, same as anyone else.... what I don't buy is that he jacked up everything all by himself.

this whole thing where everything went south because of him and the rest of those guys never shit on anyone or tanked anyone's deal is what makes no sense. When it's Perry, it's always he the devil and fucked everything up (he punches little harmless kitties, I seen him do it!!)... when it's Neal and Jon & Co. fucking shit up, it's always "Oh they had no choice....they HAD to shit on this or that guy, and they HAD to piss on their own catalog and rerecord everything and they HAD to fire everyone... they were forced" Barf. Please. THEY ALL made bad choices.

Agreed. But we're talking about this specific point in time. And, yes, Neal and Co. made the horrible decision to play semi-live and that's probably at the top of the mountain of past grievances. But I can't think of one singer they've fucked over. Not one. Maybe Chalfant.

[G.I.Jim]

OH and here we go again!!!

Go fuck yourself, bitch.

What the hell Dan? Who shit in your Cornflakes tonight??? She's good people!

[Rockindeano]

I can't think of one singer they've fucked over. Not one. Maybe Chalfant.

Well if you can't "think" of at least two, no sense in debating you here. Unbelievable.

"Neal and Co" are just too good to be true. Alarming how anyone could even think they would do someone wrong. LOL Great Guys.

[Saint John]

OH and here we go again!!!

Go fuck yourself, bitch.

What the hell Dan? Who shit in your Cornflakes tonight??? She's good people!

Tired of her passive-aggressive shit after all of my posts and I responded accordingly. Good people? You know her or are you assuming all of this? I bet she's being her typical manipulator self and crying to everyone in PM. Fuck her.

[portland]

No....I am right here...and did not PM anyone...so what?? I am passive aggressive?? That is funny!!!


and well Fuck You as this is your fight not mine.

[RobbieG]

I can't think of one singer they've fucked over. Not one. Maybe Chalfant.

Well if you can't "think" of at least two, no sense in debating you here. Unbelievable.

"Neal and Co" are just too good to be true. Alarming how anyone could even think they would do someone wrong. LOL Great Guys.

[Deb]

Sony pushed them back together. And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

Huh?! Let's see, they've had what, 5 or 6? Yeah, don't get why people would think that either.

[Saint John]

I can't think of one singer they've fucked over. Not one. Maybe Chalfant.

Well if you can't "think" of at least two, no sense in debating you here. Unbelievable.

"Neal and Co" are just too good to be true. Alarming how anyone could even think they would do someone wrong. LOL Great Guys.

I'm not saying they're great guys. I said that they never fucked over a lead singer. Perry ... hmm ... waited for him to "untoast" and were rewarded with him touring with others. Then they nixed a lineup that was ready to go and he bailed on them. That eliminates Perry.

Augeri ... dude was out of gas as early as 2002 and they hung on to the guy till he literally couldn't sing anymore. Tapegate and not singing live put an end to his tenure about 4 years later than it should have ... netting him a few more million in the process. He retired from Journey without a peep. And don't go tooting your own horn because no one in the general fucking public has any idea about what went down.

Soto ... dude was pulled in for emergency duty. A career minor leaguer, he got to play in the big leagues for a few months, but his inability to put his best foot forward and take the job seriously cost him dearly. I bet if he could do it all over again he would have kept his mouth shut and concentrated more on being a singer and not acting like he was in Motley Crue.

Again, I see no singers getting fucked over.

[RossValoryRocks]

Well Rolie left on his own...and was he really the lead singer?? Ok...sure for the first 3 albums...but still...

So let's see...

Fleischman
Perry
<interlude>
Perry
Augeri
JSS
Pineda...

Ok can't count Perry twice...so 5...Ok...more than your average band...

[Saint John]

Sony pushed them back together. And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

Huh?! Let's see, they've had what, 5 or 6? Yeah, don't get why people would think that either.

To the general public they've had 3 lead singers... Perry (and Rolie to some degree), Augeri and Pineda. And who cares how many singers they've had? If Perry was their 11th would it have made a fucking difference as far as the music's concerned? Certainly not to me.

[Author2]

That's cuz Perry didn't want to play right up until he was gonna get replaced, then all of a sudden he wanted to play.

Well it did not matter....they went all in when he came back now didn't they!!!

Exactly! I love how SP always gets blamed for tanking Chalfant's chance and "ruining" their opportunity to move on.
Neal & Co. could have said fuck off and they didn't. They said CHA CHING. Give me a break.

This is pure bullshit, Kim. They couldn't have said no. The fans wanted it and they took the dude at his word. That was their only mistake. No one would have went to Journey concerts if Perry was waging a PR campaign had they told him no and went with Chalfant.

Excuses, excuses! Do you have anything concrete to support your theories? Did Steve Perry tie up Journey and the fans and put them in a closet or something? I guess we'll never know about all those "couldn't have", "would have" or "ifs", huh? Journey had choices and it seems they chose the one to be most lucrative. I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry. Perry toured from 78-87 and more than proved himself. I don't think either Steves got a break in their second year.

You make excuses for Arnel's less than professional attitude concerning their garden appearance at the Superbowl then you turn around and blame Steve Perry for every earthquake.

[Saint John]

Excuses, excuses! Do you have anything concrete to support your theories?

Yeah, common sense.

Journey had choices and it seems they chose the one to be most lucrative.

I think that should should say "the one they thought to be most lucrative." because the TBF tour netted them exactly $0.

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

Perry toured from 78-87 and more than proved himself. .

He proved that every few years that his voice changed from not taking care of it. I'm glad it changed up until Frontiers. After that, he was on fumes ... and "vitamin B."

You make excuses for Arnel's less than professional attitude concerning their garden appearance at the Superbowl then you turn around and blame Steve Perry for every earthquake.

Arnel got sick. Period. Besides, he's got at least 10 times the miles that Perry's voice had when it fell apart and he's still going strong. Perry never took proper care of his voice. Never.

[Jana]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

[bluejeangirl76]

Arnel got sick. Period. Besides, he's got at least 10 times the miles that Perry's voice had when it fell apart and he's still going strong. Perry never took proper care of his voice. Never.

Ok, now you're just...

[Author2]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

No that in red is classic for if I were SP I would not have let him in either - he had already done enough damage.

By the way Jana, your question to Madsplash in SP Forum - "Why bring Arnel into this?" Do you have the answer to that question now?