Tragedy in AZ: God be w/Rep. Gabrielle Giiffords and others

[ebake02]

I'd like to know why people like this always slip through the cracks. Nobody notices that these people are sociopaths until they blow something up or shoot a bunch of people.


Guess I probably shouldn't have brought up the tea party thing. Sorry.....

[Seven Wishes2]

It's one of the consequences of living in one of the world's most democratic societies.

That, and the abhorrent lack of regulation on firearms.

[Angel]

It's one of the consequences of living in one of the world's most democratic societies.

That, and the abhorrent lack of regulation on firearms.

I think that regardless of regulation on firearms if someone is determined to commit something like this, they'll get a gun one way or another.

[Seven Wishes2]

Tell that to the Swedes, Swiss or Norwegians. Those tightly gun-restrictive societies boast per capita rate of violent crime that is about 20% of what it is in America.

[RedWingFan]

Tell that to the Swedes, Swiss or Norwegians. Those tightly gun-restrictive societies boast per capita rate of violent crime that is about 20% of what it is in America.

It's that damned Constitution bugging you again huh?

They also don't have illegals swarming their borders some of whom are drug smugglers.
Yup, keep thinking the bulk of America's gun crimes are her citizens who legally own and carry! dipshit!

[Seven Wishes2]

NaziFan, you are so out of touch.

I support gun rights for those sane enough to possess them. The fact remains, you can walk into a Wal-Mart, flip them any photo ID, and purchase a weapon capable of blowing somebody's head off their shoulders.

Firearms need to be REGULATED and REGISTERED. Again, I reiterate. If they were required, this lunatic never would have been able to own one.

THINK, stupid. Think!

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RWF: Read to me what's on this pretty paper, Louie.

RWF: [Louie puts an apple on his head] Duh, what's that for, Louie?

Louie the Parrot: You wanna play games, don't ya? Well we're gonna play William Tell.
[Replaces the apple with a cherry]

RWF: Oh, boy! William Tell, William Tell! Duh... Who is he?

Louie the Parrot: [RWF is choking] Breathe, stupid, breathe! You forgot to breathe again.

RWF: [Takes deep breath] Duh, that's much better, Louie.

RWF: You was right, Louie. I'm four. I found my birth certificate and it says I'm four.

[unrolls parchment which reads "Birth Certificate - You're Four"]

[Behshad]

It's one of the consequences of living in one of the world's most democratic societies.

That, and the abhorrent lack of regulation on firearms.

I think that regardless of regulation on firearms if someone is determined to commit something like this, they'll get a gun one way or another.

Wrong. In countries with restricted firearms laws , it's nearly impossible to just " get a gun" , unless you have a large amount of cash.

[Babyblue]

And of course it's a 9 year old child dead so far. How sad

That breaks my heart.

[Ehwmatt]

At the risk of sounding trite, this truly is a reprehensible act against American liberty and all that our values, political process, etc. are supposed to stand for.

That's really all that needs to be said. To sit here and think/argue that this guy had any kind of rational alignment with any legitimate party or political platform is just a waste of time and space.

[No Surprize]

I'd like to know why people like this always slip through the cracks. Nobody notices that these people are sociopaths until they blow something up or shoot a bunch of people.


Guess I probably shouldn't have brought up the tea party thing. Sorry.....

This kid looks like an average 22 year old. In a crowd of people if you were looking for someone with a gun, he would probably be one of the last ones on your list. It's a crazy ass world out there. Sad, very sad.

[treetopovskaya]

NaziFan, you are so out of touch.

I support gun rights for those sane enough to possess them. The fact remains, you can walk into a Wal-Mart, flip them any photo ID, and purchase a weapon capable of blowing somebody's head off their shoulders.

Firearms need to be REGULATED and REGISTERED. Again, I reiterate. If they were required, this lunatic never would have been able to own one.

that is not true at all. if someone wants to get a gun they will. you can buy just about anything on the street. you can't stop someone who is not sane & wants to do harm to people. some are just wired that way... they're like a ticking time bomb.

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

[treetopovskaya]

At the risk of sounding trite, this truly is a reprehensible act against American liberty and all that our values, political process, etc. are supposed to stand for.

That's really all that needs to be said. To sit here and think/argue that this guy had any kind of rational alignment with any legitimate party or political platform is just a waste of time and space.

amen.

[Angel]

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

There was someone else with a gun and gun fire was returned.

[Behshad]

NaziFan, you are so out of touch.

I support gun rights for those sane enough to possess them. The fact remains, you can walk into a Wal-Mart, flip them any photo ID, and purchase a weapon capable of blowing somebody's head off their shoulders.

Firearms need to be REGULATED and REGISTERED. Again, I reiterate. If they were required, this lunatic never would have been able to own one.

that is not true at all. if someone wants to get a gun they will. you can buy just about anything on the street. you can't stop someone who is not sane & wants to do harm to people. some are just wired that way... they're like a ticking time bomb.

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

BS !

Of course you can get guns anywhere NOW with our current laws. Duh !!!
As I said earlier , in countries with strict gun laws , you won't be able to just get a gun , even the illegal way unless you got some $$$

[treetopovskaya]

NaziFan, you are so out of touch.

I support gun rights for those sane enough to possess them. The fact remains, you can walk into a Wal-Mart, flip them any photo ID, and purchase a weapon capable of blowing somebody's head off their shoulders.

Firearms need to be REGULATED and REGISTERED. Again, I reiterate. If they were required, this lunatic never would have been able to own one.

that is not true at all. if someone wants to get a gun they will. you can buy just about anything on the street. you can't stop someone who is not sane & wants to do harm to people. some are just wired that way... they're like a ticking time bomb.

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

BS !

Of course you can get guns anywhere NOW with our current laws. Duh !!!
As I said earlier , in countries with strict gun laws , you won't be able to just get a gun , even the illegal way unless you got some $$$

what's going to stop someone from stealing a gun?

[RossValoryRocks]

It's one of the consequences of living in one of the world's most democratic societies.

That, and the abhorrent lack of regulation on firearms.

Better put would be abhorrent lack of ENFORCEMENT of existing gun laws.

There is PLENTY of regulation.

[treetopovskaya]

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

There was someone else with a gun and gun fire was returned.

i'm hearing there was no one else with a gun & she didn't have security.

[Ehwmatt]

The word I've gathered so far is that he had a Glock. Even if no one else there had a weapon more potent than the sharp edge of a car key, how in the world did he manage to shoot 18 people with a pistol? I was assuming the dude musta come in strafing with a goddamn Uzi or something.

[Behshad]

NaziFan, you are so out of touch.

I support gun rights for those sane enough to possess them. The fact remains, you can walk into a Wal-Mart, flip them any photo ID, and purchase a weapon capable of blowing somebody's head off their shoulders.

Firearms need to be REGULATED and REGISTERED. Again, I reiterate. If they were required, this lunatic never would have been able to own one.

that is not true at all. if someone wants to get a gun they will. you can buy just about anything on the street. you can't stop someone who is not sane & wants to do harm to people. some are just wired that way... they're like a ticking time bomb.

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

BS !

Of course you can get guns anywhere NOW with our current laws. Duh !!!
As I said earlier , in countries with strict gun laws , you won't be able to just get a gun , even the illegal way unless you got some $$$

what's going to stop someone from stealing a gun?

Exactly who would this punk ass kid steal a gun from ?!
With strict gun laws , stealing a gun would be as hard as stealing a tank or bazooka from the military. Not impossible but extremely hard.

And save me the " guns dont kill people , people do "
Had this guy walked in the grocery store without a gun , 6 people wouldn't been dead today.

[Angel]

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

There was someone else with a gun and gun fire was returned.

i'm hearing there was no one else with a gun & she didn't have security.

That must be updated info then, I haven't had the news on yet this morning but the last I heard was there was another shooter and they shot at the orginal shooter-they were unsure if it was store security or a gun-carrying citizen.

[ebake02]

NaziFan, you are so out of touch.

I support gun rights for those sane enough to possess them. The fact remains, you can walk into a Wal-Mart, flip them any photo ID, and purchase a weapon capable of blowing somebody's head off their shoulders.

Firearms need to be REGULATED and REGISTERED. Again, I reiterate. If they were required, this lunatic never would have been able to own one.

that is not true at all. if someone wants to get a gun they will. you can buy just about anything on the street. you can't stop someone who is not sane & wants to do harm to people. some are just wired that way... they're like a ticking time bomb.

what the problem was no one there but the shooter had a gun. maybe if someone had they could have stopped him before he shot up the place.

BS !

Of course you can get guns anywhere NOW with our current laws. Duh !!!
As I said earlier , in countries with strict gun laws , you won't be able to just get a gun , even the illegal way unless you got some $$$

what's going to stop someone from stealing a gun?

Exactly who would this punk ass kid steal a gun from ?!
With strict gun laws , stealing a gun would be as hard as stealing a tank or bazooka from the military. Not impossible but extremely hard.

And save me the " guns dont kill people , people do "
Had this guy walked in the grocery store without a gun , 6 people wouldn't been dead today.

I agree with you 100% but even with stricter guns laws, a nut like this would've bought that gun out of the trunk of some gang banger's car.

[S2M]

Guns don't kill people....Republicans do.

[RossValoryRocks]

Well I hate to tell all you control advocates...but unless you get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and the 225 years or so of judicial backing there is a limit to how far the government can go to control guns.

And yes if firearms are restricted from the ordinary person, the only people that will have them are the government and the criminals leaving the law abiding citizens no way to defend themselves from either.

[Behshad]

Well I hate to tell all you control advocates...but unless you get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and the 225 years or so of judicial backing there is a limit to how far the government can go to control guns.

And yes if firearms are restricted from the ordinary person, the only people that will have them are the government and the criminals leaving the law abiding citizens no way to defend themselves from either.

Then just deal with shootings as part of the 225 years package

[S2M]

Well I hate to tell all you control advocates...but unless you get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and the 225 years or so of judicial backing there is a limit to how far the government can go to control guns.

And yes if firearms are restricted from the ordinary person, the only people that will have them are the government and the criminals leaving the law abiding citizens no way to defend themselves from either.

Look...the 2nd amendment is there so the citizens can protect their property, and so they can protect against the government....it doesn't say a person can stockpile automatic weapons, or even have ONE sub-machine gun. a handgun should suffice. Let's be real here....all you Constitution and Bill of Rights advocates are beginning to be quite silly....both pieces of paper are outdated pieces of antiquity.....time to redraft both of them....

actually, right about now....the idea of martial law, and a police state look pretty damn appealing. Get rids of the gangs, guns, drugs, and every other thing that is eating this country away from the inside.....

[Behshad]

Well I hate to tell all you control advocates...but unless you get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and the 225 years or so of judicial backing there is a limit to how far the government can go to control guns.

And yes if firearms are restricted from the ordinary person, the only people that will have them are the government and the criminals leaving the law abiding citizens no way to defend themselves from either.

Look...the 2nd amendment is there so the citizens can protect their property, and so they can protect against the government....it doesn't say a person can stockpile automatic weapons, or even have ONE sub-machine gun. a handgun should suffice. Let's be real here....all you Constitution and Bill of Rights advocates are beginning to be quite silly....both pieces of paper are outdated pieces of antiquity.....time to redraft both of them....

Bin-Fuckin-Go !

[Angel]

Guns don't kill people....Republicans do.

Guns don't kill people....postal workers do.

[RossValoryRocks]

Well I hate to tell all you control advocates...but unless you get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and the 225 years or so of judicial backing there is a limit to how far the government can go to control guns.

And yes if firearms are restricted from the ordinary person, the only people that will have them are the government and the criminals leaving the law abiding citizens no way to defend themselves from either.

Look...the 2nd amendment is there so the citizens can protect their property, and so they can protect against the government....it doesn't say a person can stockpile automatic weapons, or even have ONE sub-machine gun. a handgun should suffice. Let's be real here....all you Constitution and Bill of Rights advocates are beginning to be quite silly....both pieces of paper are outdated pieces of antiquity.....time to redraft both of them....

actually, right about now....the idea of martial law, and a police state look pretty damn appealing. Get rids of the gangs, guns, drugs, and every other thing that is eating this country away from the inside.....

Well now we know where you stand...unfortunately with your big mouth you would be the FIRST one put up against a wall and shot.

You seem to actually think you are smarter than the founders...I can assure you that you are not. Not even close.

Jefferson said this:

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

Washington said this:

”Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”

and this

”A free people ought to be armed.”

As for the Constitution it is far from outdated, and not just a piece of paper...it is an amazing group of ideas never duplicated in history.

But someone of your obvious limited education can't grasp that.

The even funnier thing is you took an oath when you joined the military to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States...and now you rail against it. Makes you only a few steps up from the douche that leaked everything to that idiot from WikiLeaks.

[RossValoryRocks]

Well I hate to tell all you control advocates...but unless you get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and the 225 years or so of judicial backing there is a limit to how far the government can go to control guns.

And yes if firearms are restricted from the ordinary person, the only people that will have them are the government and the criminals leaving the law abiding citizens no way to defend themselves from either.

Then just deal with shootings as part of the 225 years package

Beshad you are NOT an idiot, so quit acting like one.

If a person wants to inflict harm they will find a way to do so, regardless of having a firearm or not. He could very easily have used a molotov cocktail or a bat.

Look what was done on 9/11 with BOX CUTTERS...those were the weapons people had.

[treetopovskaya]

It's one of the consequences of living in one of the world's most democratic societies.

That, and the abhorrent lack of regulation on firearms.

I think that regardless of regulation on firearms if someone is determined to commit something like this, they'll get a gun one way or another.

Wrong. In countries with restricted firearms laws , it's nearly impossible to just " get a gun" , unless you have a large amount of cash.

those countries probably aren't sharing a border with a country that is running guns/drugs... & they have a smaller population.