Sharia law here in Michigan. Unbelievable

[artist4perry]

Guys and gals, sorry about my typos, but when I respond to someone how has more than a couple of quotes, I can't see what I'm typing. The page bounces and everything I respond with is at the bottom of all these quotes. By the time I hit submit, it's too late and each time I go back to edit and fix, my page bounces more and it just fucks with me. Is that happening with anyone else?

Typos are a general thing for all of us..............Deano has trouble with the word feud. I totally mispelled lose. One too many O's and I did not see it.......................I think everyone is doing pretty good to discuss this rationally...........except for the executioner blurps.

[donnaplease]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

[parfait]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

Fun fact: Mother Theresa lost her faith for a long time, which is revealed in several letters that she wrote to family and friends.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa. "Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html


Now, what disturbs me the most isn't that some of you soldiers of God claims that he created women out of the rib of a thieving retard, but that none of you people have given me props for my last post. It has to be the best post ever - I'm like a roided up Stephen Hawking on a bulldozer (with some boyish charms, of course)

[Jana]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

A lot of people consider themselves spiritual and believe in God but don't subscribe to the theory of organized religion because each church says their doctrine is right and, of course, man has created the Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian churches, on and on from their interpretation of the Bible.

[StevePerryHair]

You know what parfait, that just goes to show you how literal and ridiculous with what you will call facts. Mother Theresa did not lose her faith. What she did was showed how completely HUMAN she is. How there were times even HER faith was shaken. That's no fun fact. That is how a woman with total faith in God helping the poorest of the poor felt for a moment in time. I bet there were several times she asked God why, just like we all do. But then wanted forgiveness because she knew it was a weak moment for her. How can you blame her for all she saw and endured. That woman was the biggest saint we've had walk the earth in our lifetime. And trust me, she died with total faith and the love of god in her heart. Just the fact you'd try to do what you just did just ticks me off get your facts straight. Every faithful person in this world questions their faith. Even JESUS did on the cross while suffering. That was our human example. Get a clue!!!!

[artist4perry]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

Fun fact: Mother Theresa lost her faith for a long time, which is revealed in several letters that she wrote to family and friends.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa. "Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html


Now, what disturbs me the most isn't that some of you soldiers of God claims that he created women out of the rib of a thieving retard, but that none of you people have given me props for my last post. It has to be the best post ever - I'm like a roided up Stephen Hawking on a bulldozer (with some boyish charms, of course)

OK your kind of loosing me a bit here. God created a woman out of the rib of a thieving retard............of course that would be man. So the first man is described by you as a theiving retard. Thus men must be descendents of a theiving retard. What part retard would that make you? Now I don't believe that Mother Teresa is any holier than even me. Could she have moments of doubt? Uh..............Parfait most people have moments of doubt. Usually during great stress and sorrow. Gee what would make this woman sad. Seeing people suffering. She loved people, a great trait for a person to have. Apparently something brought her back to believing again. You see your way of looking at things differ from mine. As I said to say God is responsible for the sorrows of this life is to say someone should be euthenized because this life is all they can hope for so if they are to be poor, sick, sad it is best to do away with them and put them out of their misery. I say even if you suffer here, you will be loved and comforted in the afterlife. Could you put a pillow over a childs head because they are poor? Or maybe God sent us to try and help them. "When I was hungered you fed me, when I was naked you clothed me, etc.............mankind is a christian's buisness.

You do have charms, but I had some great points too.......where is my parade you theiving retard Hawking?

[StevePerryHair]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

Fun fact: Mother Theresa lost her faith for a long time, which is revealed in several letters that she wrote to family and friends.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa. "Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html


Now, what disturbs me the most isn't that some of you soldiers of God claims that he created women out of the rib of a thieving retard, but that none of you people have given me props for my last post. It has to be the best post ever - I'm like a roided up Stephen Hawking on a bulldozer (with some boyish charms, of course)

OK your kind of loosing me a bit here. God created a woman out of the rib of a thieving retard............of course that would be man. So the first man is described by you as a theiving retard. Thus men must be descendents of a theiving retard. What part retard would that make you? Now I don't believe that Mother Teresa is any holier than even me. Could she have moments of doubt? Uh..............Parfait most people have moments of doubt. Usually during great stress and sorrow. Gee what would make this woman sad. Seeing people suffering. She loved people, a great trait for a person to have. Apparently something brought her back to believing again. You see your way of looking at things differ from mine. As I said to say God is responsible for the sorrows of this life is to say someone should be euthenized because this life is all they can hope for so if they are to be poor, sick, sad it is best to do away with them and put them out of their misery. I say even if you suffer here, you will be loved and comforted in the afterlife. Could you put a pillow over a childs head because they are poor? Or maybe God sent us to try and help them. "When I was hungered you fed me, when I was naked you clothed me, etc.............mankind is a christian's buisness.

You do have charms, but I had some great points too.......where is my parade you theiving retard Hawking?

It's not about Mother Theresa being holier. It's about the fact that she dedicated her life to the poor. The sickest and poorest of the poor. People we can't even IMAGINE living here in our country where people THINK they are poor. She gave up material things and exposed herself to disease and took care of people shunned by society in India. I could never do what she did. And that isnt' even the most significant thing to me. It was her messages. The things she taught us through her writing that were so inspiring and helped people remember our faith, even when it gets shaky. Seeing her weak moments and her strong moments were so inspiring. She gave this world a huge gift. Not just the people she helped.

One of my favorite quotes from her, and probably the one most recognized is "We can do no great things; only small things with great love" Because she didn't feel she was holier than anyone else. She tried to tell the world you don't have to do big great things the way she dedicated herself. She wanted people to realize even the littlest of things we do, done with great love, can make a difference.

[artist4perry]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

Fun fact: Mother Theresa lost her faith for a long time, which is revealed in several letters that she wrote to family and friends.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa. "Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html


Now, what disturbs me the most isn't that some of you soldiers of God claims that he created women out of the rib of a thieving retard, but that none of you people have given me props for my last post. It has to be the best post ever - I'm like a roided up Stephen Hawking on a bulldozer (with some boyish charms, of course)

OK your kind of loosing me a bit here. God created a woman out of the rib of a thieving retard............of course that would be man. So the first man is described by you as a theiving retard. Thus men must be descendents of a theiving retard. What part retard would that make you? Now I don't believe that Mother Teresa is any holier than even me. Could she have moments of doubt? Uh..............Parfait most people have moments of doubt. Usually during great stress and sorrow. Gee what would make this woman sad. Seeing people suffering. She loved people, a great trait for a person to have. Apparently something brought her back to believing again. You see your way of looking at things differ from mine. As I said to say God is responsible for the sorrows of this life is to say someone should be euthenized because this life is all they can hope for so if they are to be poor, sick, sad it is best to do away with them and put them out of their misery. I say even if you suffer here, you will be loved and comforted in the afterlife. Could you put a pillow over a childs head because they are poor? Or maybe God sent us to try and help them. "When I was hungered you fed me, when I was naked you clothed me, etc.............mankind is a christian's buisness.

You do have charms, but I had some great points too.......where is my parade you theiving retard Hawking?

It's not about Mother Theresa being holier. It's about the fact that she dedicated her life to the poor. The sickest and poorest of the poor. People we can't even IMAGINE living here in our country where people THINK they are poor. She gave up material things and exposed herself to disease and took care of people shunned by society in India. I could never do what she did. And that isnt' even the most significant thing to me. It was her messages. The things she taught us through her writing that were so inspiring and helped people remember our faith, even when it gets shaky. Seeing her weak moments and her strong moments were so inspiring. She gave this world a huge gift. Not just the people she helped.

One of my favorite quotes from her, and probably the one most recognized is "We can do no great things; only small things with great love" Because she didn't feel she was holier than anyone else. She tried to tell the world you don't have to do big great things the way she dedicated herself. She wanted people to realize even the littlest of things we do, done with great love, can make a difference.

Oh girl I was not putting her down. I was just saying in the eyes of God all women and men are equal. I think she was a phenomonally kind sweet giving individual. We can all learn from her selfless heart. Honestly we are on the same page as far as finding her remarkable. I have a picture of her in a book called wisdom. She talks about what wisdom means to her. It has faces of older people, famous people Ghandi included.

[StevePerryHair]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

Fun fact: Mother Theresa lost her faith for a long time, which is revealed in several letters that she wrote to family and friends.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa. "Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html


Now, what disturbs me the most isn't that some of you soldiers of God claims that he created women out of the rib of a thieving retard, but that none of you people have given me props for my last post. It has to be the best post ever - I'm like a roided up Stephen Hawking on a bulldozer (with some boyish charms, of course)

OK your kind of loosing me a bit here. God created a woman out of the rib of a thieving retard............of course that would be man. So the first man is described by you as a theiving retard. Thus men must be descendents of a theiving retard. What part retard would that make you? Now I don't believe that Mother Teresa is any holier than even me. Could she have moments of doubt? Uh..............Parfait most people have moments of doubt. Usually during great stress and sorrow. Gee what would make this woman sad. Seeing people suffering. She loved people, a great trait for a person to have. Apparently something brought her back to believing again. You see your way of looking at things differ from mine. As I said to say God is responsible for the sorrows of this life is to say someone should be euthenized because this life is all they can hope for so if they are to be poor, sick, sad it is best to do away with them and put them out of their misery. I say even if you suffer here, you will be loved and comforted in the afterlife. Could you put a pillow over a childs head because they are poor? Or maybe God sent us to try and help them. "When I was hungered you fed me, when I was naked you clothed me, etc.............mankind is a christian's buisness.

You do have charms, but I had some great points too.......where is my parade you theiving retard Hawking?

It's not about Mother Theresa being holier. It's about the fact that she dedicated her life to the poor. The sickest and poorest of the poor. People we can't even IMAGINE living here in our country where people THINK they are poor. She gave up material things and exposed herself to disease and took care of people shunned by society in India. I could never do what she did. And that isnt' even the most significant thing to me. It was her messages. The things she taught us through her writing that were so inspiring and helped people remember our faith, even when it gets shaky. Seeing her weak moments and her strong moments were so inspiring. She gave this world a huge gift. Not just the people she helped.

One of my favorite quotes from her, and probably the one most recognized is "We can do no great things; only small things with great love" Because she didn't feel she was holier than anyone else. She tried to tell the world you don't have to do big great things the way she dedicated herself. She wanted people to realize even the littlest of things we do, done with great love, can make a difference.

Oh girl I was not putting her down. I was just saying in the eyes of God all women and men are equal. I think she was a phenomonally kind sweet giving individual. We can all learn from her selfless heart. Honestly we are on the same page as far as finding her remarkable. I have a picture of her in a book called wisdom. She talks about what wisdom means to her. It has faces of older people, famous people Ghandi included.

I know, Im just more annoyed at what Parfait tried to insinuate Don't mess with Mother Theresa

[artist4perry]

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

I understand. Just realize that not all christians share the same views. Was Mother Theresa a bad person? I can think of no better example of a religion in a person's life working for the good of mankind.

How can you believe in God without believing in 'religion' and the 'bible'? It's a serious question, I don't understand how you can separate Him from them. It doesn't matter what religion you practice, to my knowledge all of them have some sort of a bible. But I don't get how you can believe in God without a means to reach Him (religion). Religion and the bible don't take advantage of people... PEOPLE take advantage of people. Each of us gets out of it what we put into it.

I admit that I have all the same questions you guys have brought up, and struggle with them almost daily. I have no answers for you. And at the end of our days if I'm proven wrong, then the joke will be on me. It's simply a matter of faith. Some have it, some don't.

Fun fact: Mother Theresa lost her faith for a long time, which is revealed in several letters that she wrote to family and friends.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa. "Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html


Now, what disturbs me the most isn't that some of you soldiers of God claims that he created women out of the rib of a thieving retard, but that none of you people have given me props for my last post. It has to be the best post ever - I'm like a roided up Stephen Hawking on a bulldozer (with some boyish charms, of course)

OK your kind of loosing me a bit here. God created a woman out of the rib of a thieving retard............of course that would be man. So the first man is described by you as a theiving retard. Thus men must be descendents of a theiving retard. What part retard would that make you? Now I don't believe that Mother Teresa is any holier than even me. Could she have moments of doubt? Uh..............Parfait most people have moments of doubt. Usually during great stress and sorrow. Gee what would make this woman sad. Seeing people suffering. She loved people, a great trait for a person to have. Apparently something brought her back to believing again. You see your way of looking at things differ from mine. As I said to say God is responsible for the sorrows of this life is to say someone should be euthenized because this life is all they can hope for so if they are to be poor, sick, sad it is best to do away with them and put them out of their misery. I say even if you suffer here, you will be loved and comforted in the afterlife. Could you put a pillow over a childs head because they are poor? Or maybe God sent us to try and help them. "When I was hungered you fed me, when I was naked you clothed me, etc.............mankind is a christian's buisness.

You do have charms, but I had some great points too.......where is my parade you theiving retard Hawking?

It's not about Mother Theresa being holier. It's about the fact that she dedicated her life to the poor. The sickest and poorest of the poor. People we can't even IMAGINE living here in our country where people THINK they are poor. She gave up material things and exposed herself to disease and took care of people shunned by society in India. I could never do what she did. And that isnt' even the most significant thing to me. It was her messages. The things she taught us through her writing that were so inspiring and helped people remember our faith, even when it gets shaky. Seeing her weak moments and her strong moments were so inspiring. She gave this world a huge gift. Not just the people she helped.

One of my favorite quotes from her, and probably the one most recognized is "We can do no great things; only small things with great love" Because she didn't feel she was holier than anyone else. She tried to tell the world you don't have to do big great things the way she dedicated herself. She wanted people to realize even the littlest of things we do, done with great love, can make a difference.

Oh girl I was not putting her down. I was just saying in the eyes of God all women and men are equal. I think she was a phenomonally kind sweet giving individual. We can all learn from her selfless heart. Honestly we are on the same page as far as finding her remarkable. I have a picture of her in a book called wisdom. She talks about what wisdom means to her. It has faces of older people, famous people Ghandi included.

I know, Im just more annoyed at what Parfait tried to insinuate Don't mess with Mother Theresa

You'll have to forgive him, he is part theiving retard ya know.

[Arianddu]

and if we evolved from apes, let's ask these evolutionists why we still have apes

As I've said before in this thread, because evolution is eternally branching and not linear. Humans are not decended from modern apes, but we have ancestors in common with modern apes. It works like an incredibly huge and complicated family tree. In those terms, modern apes are all cousins (and humans ARE apes, like it or not!) and we have 'grandparents' in common. My cousins and I have the same grandparents, but they aren't going to stop being my cousins and suddenly turn into me or my siblings.

[RedWingFan]

and if we evolved from apes, let's ask these evolutionists why we still have apes

As I've said before in this thread, because evolution is eternally branching and not linear. Humans are not decended from modern apes, but we have ancestors in common with modern apes. It works like an incredibly huge and complicated family tree. In those terms, modern apes are all cousins (and humans ARE apes, like it or not!) and we have 'grandparents' in common. My cousins and I have the same grandparents, but they aren't going to stop being my cousins and suddenly turn into me or my siblings.

If this ridiculous "survival of the fittest" theory were true, the ground would literally be littered with human "missing links" at EVERY stage of evolution. They're not there!

Darwin himself said that if the smallest building blocks of life were complex organisms his whole theory would be impossible. This just in, they are complex. Our limitation of seeing just how complex are only limited by microscopes.

[S2M]

Question for all you religious types:

If I rolled up to you preaching that I believed in pink elephants with purple stripes that can do ballet. What would you say to me? I've never seen one, mind you, but I have faith that they exist. You would tell me I was fucked up....faith's biggest flaw is it leads to nothing but a dead end. It cannot stand alone....Faith is a comfort, a crutch used by the pious as an internal coping mechanism to prove to themselves that they are 'justified' in believing what they believe in....

[donnaplease]

A lot of people consider themselves spiritual and believe in God but don't subscribe to the theory of organized religion because each church says their doctrine is right and, of course, man has created the Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian churches, on and on from their interpretation of the Bible.

Exactly, Jana!!! But that belief has to come from SOME foundation. What good is believing in God if you don't believe in the standards set forth (through a particular religion). I honestly don't believe you can have one without the other. Now, that doesn't mean you have to go to church every Sunday, or call yourself a baptist, catholic, etc. But God doesn't exist without some means to reach Him. And that is religion. I think some people think they have to relate to a particular denomination, but it's ok to just be a 'christian', IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvISU1xPazg

[StevePerryHair]

Question for all you religious types:

If I rolled up to you preaching that I believed in pink elephants with purple stripes that can do ballet. What would you say to me? I've never seen one, mind you, but I have faith that they exist. You would tell me I was fucked up....faith's biggest flaw is it leads to nothing but a dead end. It cannot stand alone....Faith is a comfort, a crutch used by the pious as an internal coping mechanism to prove to themselves that they are 'justified' in believing what they believe in....

Faith is strength to get us through this world. That is not a dead end. It is a means to a happiness so we can die with peace knowing we did the best we could on this earth, and a hope that there is something better. Earth is NOT a heaven. If anything, I would liken this to our hell. Faith helps us to stay focused on the good. Keeps us optimistic and not a negative pessimist

[S2M]

Question for all you religious types:

If I rolled up to you preaching that I believed in pink elephants with purple stripes that can do ballet. What would you say to me? I've never seen one, mind you, but I have faith that they exist. You would tell me I was fucked up....faith's biggest flaw is it leads to nothing but a dead end. It cannot stand alone....Faith is a comfort, a crutch used by the pious as an internal coping mechanism to prove to themselves that they are 'justified' in believing what they believe in....

Faith is strength to get us through this world. That is not a dead end. It is a means to a happiness so we can die with peace knowing we did the best we could on this earth, and a hope that there is something better. Earth is NOT a heaven. If anything, I would liken this to our hell. Faith helps us to stay focused on the good. Keeps us optimistic and not a negative pessimist

Well I had faith that you would do something with that music during the last 2+ months....guess what? Dead end....
Faith got me squat....

[StevePerryHair]

Question for all you religious types:

If I rolled up to you preaching that I believed in pink elephants with purple stripes that can do ballet. What would you say to me? I've never seen one, mind you, but I have faith that they exist. You would tell me I was fucked up....faith's biggest flaw is it leads to nothing but a dead end. It cannot stand alone....Faith is a comfort, a crutch used by the pious as an internal coping mechanism to prove to themselves that they are 'justified' in believing what they believe in....

Faith is strength to get us through this world. That is not a dead end. It is a means to a happiness so we can die with peace knowing we did the best we could on this earth, and a hope that there is something better. Earth is NOT a heaven. If anything, I would liken this to our hell. Faith helps us to stay focused on the good. Keeps us optimistic and not a negative pessimist

Well I had faith that you would do something with that music during the last 2+ months....guess what? Dead end....
Faith got me squat....

Well your faith was misplaced Im NO Mother Teresa! When we pray and hope in faith, sometimes we dont' always get what we want in the timely manner we are hoping for it. Or in the way we expected. So I say this is a good lesson learned on your part!! I have a deadline though, which is what a procrastinator who overwhelms herself with too many things needs!! So it will be done this week

[Michigan Girl]

Question for all you religious types:

If I rolled up to you preaching that I believed in pink elephants with purple stripes that can do ballet. What would you say to me? I've never seen one, mind you, but I have faith that they exist. You would tell me I was fucked up....faith's biggest flaw is it leads to nothing but a dead end. It cannot stand alone....Faith is a comfort, a crutch used by the pious as an internal coping mechanism to prove to themselves that they are 'justified' in believing what they believe in....

Faith is strength to get us through this world. That is not a dead end. It is a means to a happiness so we can die with peace knowing we did the best we could on this earth, and a hope that there is something better. Earth is NOT a heaven. If anything, I would liken this to our hell. Faith helps us to stay focused on the good. Keeps us optimistic and not a negative pessimist

This is nice, Lynn ...very!!!
And to S&M ...I would never say that to you, but I would definitely delve into your mind and
I would keep a close eye on you!!!

[S2M]

Faith stunts critical thinking. How come when a sheep tells someone to burn down an orphanage..its schizophrenia....but when an invisible diety orders someone to feed the destitute...its religion?

[StevePerryHair]

Faith stunts critical thinking. How come when a sheep tells someone to burn down an orphanage..its schizophrenia....but when an invisible diety orders someone to feed the destitute...its religion?

It does not stunt critical thinking. We are still human and have the ability to critique ANYTHING and we DO. That is exactly what Mother Teresa was doing when she expressed her pain in her prayers not being answered and witnessing despair. It's a human thing and we all do it. DESPITE our faith. God never orders anyone to do anything. We are on our own, I believe. To make our choices and what happens after that is in his hands. One thing you mention is destruction and the other is an act of love. I dont see at all how you can use that as a comparison. I doubt one person who has helped the poor ever says they were "ordered" by God to do it. They were inspired BIG difference!

[Behshad]

[Arianddu]

and if we evolved from apes, let's ask these evolutionists why we still have apes

As I've said before in this thread, because evolution is eternally branching and not linear. Humans are not decended from modern apes, but we have ancestors in common with modern apes. It works like an incredibly huge and complicated family tree. In those terms, modern apes are all cousins (and humans ARE apes, like it or not!) and we have 'grandparents' in common. My cousins and I have the same grandparents, but they aren't going to stop being my cousins and suddenly turn into me or my siblings.

If this ridiculous "survival of the fittest" theory were true, the ground would literally be littered with human "missing links" at EVERY stage of evolution. They're not there!

Darwin himself said that if the smallest building blocks of life were complex organisms his whole theory would be impossible. This just in, they are complex. Our limitation of seeing just how complex are only limited by microscopes.

Doesn't mean they didn't exist - go back just 200 years and see how many graves still have recognisable human remains. Some do, but many have completely disintegrated. If only 1% of all animal remains from just the last 5,000 years remained, our soil would be full of remains with every trowelful. Only a tiny number of animal and plant remains become fossils or otherwise remain, and yet we still find evidence for countless new species every year. And that includes evidence of species closely related to us.

As for your last statement, Darwin was writing from the understanding of 150 years ago - things have moved on a bit since then, you know!

[artist4perry]

Question for all you religious types:

If I rolled up to you preaching that I believed in pink elephants with purple stripes that can do ballet. What would you say to me? I've never seen one, mind you, but I have faith that they exist. You would tell me I was fucked up....faith's biggest flaw is it leads to nothing but a dead end. It cannot stand alone....Faith is a comfort, a crutch used by the pious as an internal coping mechanism to prove to themselves that they are 'justified' in believing what they believe in....

Fine. Difference is I would not roll up to you "preaching" as it were. Not everyone feels the need to shove their faith down your throat. You either are receptive or your not. Do you actually find me pious? Seriously when you say things like 'all you religious types", that would be like me going hey do all you messed up people believe in one animal changing into another animal...........that seems messed up to me. You start off with a generalization and a not so subtle insult.......you religious types............. S2 I dont give a crap if you don't believe. That is the choice you made, and I won't try to change your point of view. The only thing that bugs me is the overt nastiness to those who do. I know you don't "get it". But that does not mean you have to make fun of those of us who do.

Air exists, yet you cannot see it..........can we agree on this? You guys want me to buy the tenents of Darwin. I just don't agree with all of its theories. Random accidents everthing in the world random accidents? You seem quite a complex individual to me. Why do random things work together so well? See you buy Darwin with little question, but I question everything, even my faith. I have studied all the science theories on evolution. I just don't buy that this world is created out of nothing. That flies in the face of the very laws that rule science. Matter cannot come from nothing. Solve that riddle...........you cannot. Because there has never been an answer found using science. Only guesses and theories. Well I just have my own theory. And I don't expect you to accept it at all.

[artist4perry]

Faith stunts critical thinking. How come when a sheep tells someone to burn down an orphanage..its schizophrenia....but when an invisible diety orders someone to feed the destitute...its religion?

Pumpkin, I will keep this pretty simple for you. Critical Thinking. One who uses critical thinking can think outside the box. Yet you cannot connect a thought that is outside of the box for you. You must only believe in what is in the box. I say there is a whole other world outside of the box. The box is not the whole universe. You claim because one can only see what is in the box, one cannot accept that there is anything or anyone outside of the box. What you see is what you get. That is not critical thinking. I see the complexities and symbiotic relationships of this world. I deduce that their is a natural order and design to the world. I wonder if a complex and infinite world could be by design. I believe because of all the evidences I see, through science and my own observation that there can be a designer that brought it all about. Now I don't expect you to ever think outside of the box. But it takes critical thinking, analysis, intuition, and observation to believe in a creator, and in creation of life. You see one must use a great deal of thought to conclude the complexities of the universe.

[Michigan Girl]

You know what parfait, that just goes to show you how literal and ridiculous with what you will call facts. Mother Theresa did not lose her faith. What she did was showed how completely HUMAN she is. How there were times even HER faith was shaken. That's no fun fact. That is how a woman with total faith in God helping the poorest of the poor felt for a moment in time. I bet there were several times she asked God why, just like we all do. But then wanted forgiveness because she knew it was a weak moment for her. How can you blame her for all she saw and endured. That woman was the biggest saint we've had walk the earth in our lifetime. And trust me, she died with total faith and the love of god in her heart. Just the fact you'd try to do what you just did just ticks me off get your facts straight. Every faithful person in this world questions their faith. Even JESUS did on the cross while suffering. That was our human example. Get a clue!!!!

Another great post, Lynn!! I find that many men/women of science do not believe in god. They
have to see it and have the ability to prove it or it just isn't ...and if god did exist, he would take away
their glory.

[artist4perry]

You know what parfait, that just goes to show you how literal and ridiculous with what you will call facts. Mother Theresa did not lose her faith. What she did was showed how completely HUMAN she is. How there were times even HER faith was shaken. That's no fun fact. That is how a woman with total faith in God helping the poorest of the poor felt for a moment in time. I bet there were several times she asked God why, just like we all do. But then wanted forgiveness because she knew it was a weak moment for her. How can you blame her for all she saw and endured. That woman was the biggest saint we've had walk the earth in our lifetime. And trust me, she died with total faith and the love of god in her heart. Just the fact you'd try to do what you just did just ticks me off get your facts straight. Every faithful person in this world questions their faith. Even JESUS did on the cross while suffering. That was our human example. Get a clue!!!!

Another great post, Lynn!! I find that many men/women of science do not believe in god. They
have to see it and have the ability to prove it or it just isn't ...and if god did exist, he would take away
their glory.

Lynn is a critical thinker.

[parfait]

Faith stunts critical thinking. How come when a sheep tells someone to burn down an orphanage..its schizophrenia....but when an invisible diety orders someone to feed the destitute...its religion?

Pumpkin, I will keep this pretty simple for you. Critical Thinking. One who uses critical thinking can think outside the box. Yet you cannot connect a thought that is outside of the box for you. You must only believe in what is in the box. I say there is a whole other world outside of the box. The box is not the whole universe. You claim because one can only see what is in the box, one cannot accept that there is anything or anyone outside of the box. What you see is what you get. That is not critical thinking. I see the complexities and simbiotic relationships of this world. I deduce that their is a natural order and design to the world. I wonder if a complex and infinite world could be by design. I believe because of all the evidences I see, through science and my own observation that there can be a designer that brought it all about. Now I don't expect you to ever think outside of the box. But it takes critical thinking, analysis, intuition, and observation to believe in a creator, and in creation of life. You see one must use a great deal of thought to conclude the complexities of the universe.

So you try to turn it around on us, who see the world as it is, not believing in some man made God, that can walk on water and create the world in 6 days. For fucks sake, Ginger - it doesn't take critical thinking, analysis or intuition to believe in something you can not see, feel, hear or prove through empirical methods. How the hell can you call yourself a teacher and hell, I even think you're saying you're conducting your own science, when you got no grasp at all about how science work?! All evidence you see? Yeah, right. You're delusional. It's blind faith Ginger, nothing more, nothing less.

Scientists have through centuries, and they still do, bring you things makes your, and our society a better place to be. Why don't you call up the guys that have turned skin cells to stem cells, and say that they should stop their research - cause hey, God is the omnipotent creator and he'll hear your prayers if you need help anyways. If your husband needs a new liver, those stem cells will in the near future be able to be turned into a functioning liver, without the usual anatomical risks involved - but fuck it. Scientists have no idea what they're doing, messing with "God's creation" and all that. We would still live in caves if it weren't for scientists and great ambitious men and women. When did ever God help anyone? Where's God when 20 % of African children die before the age of 5? Exactly.

Mind you that with a mindset like yours, you would never, ever get hired to any sort of educational school in France. You're not more of scientist than the guys that call 9/11 a conspiracy theory, or the people that "have proved" that ghosts are real. Give me a break.

You make me sick.

[artist4perry]

Faith stunts critical thinking. How come when a sheep tells someone to burn down an orphanage..its schizophrenia....but when an invisible diety orders someone to feed the destitute...its religion?

Pumpkin, I will keep this pretty simple for you. Critical Thinking. One who uses critical thinking can think outside the box. Yet you cannot connect a thought that is outside of the box for you. You must only believe in what is in the box. I say there is a whole other world outside of the box. The box is not the whole universe. You claim because one can only see what is in the box, one cannot accept that there is anything or anyone outside of the box. What you see is what you get. That is not critical thinking. I see the complexities and simbiotic relationships of this world. I deduce that their is a natural order and design to the world. I wonder if a complex and infinite world could be by design. I believe because of all the evidences I see, through science and my own observation that there can be a designer that brought it all about. Now I don't expect you to ever think outside of the box. But it takes critical thinking, analysis, intuition, and observation to believe in a creator, and in creation of life. You see one must use a great deal of thought to conclude the complexities of the universe.

So you try to turn it around on us, who see the world as it is, not believing in some man made God, that can walk on water and create the world in 6 days. For fucks sake, Ginger - it doesn't take critical thinking, analysis or intuition to believe in something you can not see, feel, hear or prove through empirical methods. How the hell can you call yourself a teacher and hell, I even think you're saying you're conducting your own science, when you got no grasp at all about how science work?! All evidence you see? Yeah, right. You're delusional. It's blind faith Ginger, nothing more, nothing less.

Scientists have through centuries, and they still do, bring you things makes your, and our society a better place to be. Why don't you call up the guys that have turned skin cells to stem cells, and say that they should stop their research - cause hey, God is the omnipotent creator and he'll hear your prayers if you need help anyways. If your husband needs a new liver, those stem cells will in the near future be able to be turned into a functioning liver, without the usual anatomical risks involved - but fuck it. Scientists have no idea what they're doing, messing with "God's creation" and all that. We would still live in caves if it weren't for scientists and great ambitious men and women. When did ever God help anyone? Where's God when 20 % of African children die before the age of 5? Exactly.

Mind you that with a mindset like yours, you would never, ever get hired to any sort of educational school in France. You're not more of scientist than the guys that call 9/11 a conspiracy theory, or the people that "have proved" that ghosts are real. Give me a break.

You make me sick.

My did I strike a nerve? As for the 20% of children die before the age of 5 in Africa, your science has not fed them, clothed them, or tended to them. That takes people. People who are christians and non christians go to Africa as much as they can to help those children. A very corrupt governement over there keeps these people from helping because they believe in genicide. There is good and bad in the world and you want to blame God for it all. But as I said there is a bad side of this world too.

I would not go work as a teacher in France if you paid me. From the very behavior you show on this board, your condesending attitude, your pompous demeaner, your unwillingness to let anyone have a thought or an idea that does not mesh with your whole view of what is right in your little universe.

Attacking my profession? You say that because I can open mindedly beleive in a God, I cannot be a good teacher. Well darling, they knew full well I was a christian when they hired me. The superintendent happens to share the same faith as me. My husband has a biblical degree. Yes, unlike you I can think outside of the box. I have also read some of the Koran, and I have studied many religions. Do you even know anything about any religion at all except that you hate them all? Do you ever open your mind to any thought outside of your own simple thinking? I have studied science. I have had 6 1/2 years of college education. Many very learned people are believers in a God. Only in your country would they be so narrow minded and biggoted to not allow someone to teach because they have faith.

NO sir I would not like to live in France. Not if the people there are as narrow minded as you. At least Ari has the good sense to debate science with ideas and thoughts, not hatefulness and rudeness.

[Behshad]

As I said earlier:

[artist4perry]

As I said earlier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwdRHovYok

Parfait makes me feel like this!