Too stupid to breathe

[Rip Rokken]

Agreed. Chrisitanity does not teach nor condone superiority. The only one I can think of that promotes such is Islam.

Really? So when christians say that unless you believe..you are going to Hell.

Believers go to Heaven
Non-believers go to Hell
Going to Heaven is superior to going Hell

Therefore, Believers are superior to non-believers

A better fit there is prefereable, not superior. God would consider a saved believer superior, because that person contains his spirit, but the believer shouldn't see themselves as superior. More fortunate, if anything. We all know it doesn't always work that way, but hey... at least the intent is there.

Hell is probably the worst concept to be introduced to humans, and is another reason I can no longer believe. Always accepted it just as is, but once the faith started crumbling, Hell went tumbling into the pit with it. Take somebody who lives a simple, honest life, and devotes it to the betterment of other people. That person has a chance to get 'saved' and kindly doesn't accept. So they deserve eternal torment and damnation? Never ending? It's the reason so many churches go really light on the Hell stuff these days. I was joking from someone who works at a Methodist church the other day, when he was talking about having to send collection notices to some music students who weren't paying their dues. I told him I'd write him some which said, "You're not only stealing from the Music Program, you're stealing from Jesus and your going to Hell!" He started cracking up and said, "Nooooooooooo, no no no.... We don't teach that stuff! We'd run everybody off!" LOL!

PLease don't get wrapped up in a word, Rip. Preferable, for all intents and purposes, means the same as superior. Why would something inferior be preferable? People prefer things that are better, for the most part. Would you rather travel to see Dokken, or Night Ranger? My guess is that you would prefer to go see Dokken because you find them better than NR....

It depends on the context, and you used it to make differing contextual points. If you use it strictly internally, like "Going to Heaven is superior or preferrable (to oneself), they are fairly synonymous. But then you make the conclusion, "Therefore, Believers are superior to non-believers" (external, compares to other people). The logical is invalid because you are using the word "superior" in two different ways. "Preferrable" clarifes the context of first point.

[artist4perry]

The way I read it, God would not have any perish. The story of the 99 sheep and the one lost.............how his Sheppard left the 99 to seek the one lost by the wayside, and the rejoicing when the one was found. People who know little about God and his love have a tendency to paint him as this mean person waiting for us to trip up. But I see him as a patient Father..........hoping all his teachings lead his children down a good path. And devastated when they fall to the wayside. How much more love does one need than to send his only son to die an excruciating death just to save us? No, I don't see a heartless God. I see a God who by giving us free will, gives us the choice on loving him or not. He always hopes we will. Think about your own children, how much would you love someone to watch that child suffer and crying in agony to save them? That to me is the ultimate love.

And I don't care who does not agree with me. This is the God I love. He is awesome to me. He sent Daniel to heal my broken heart after my ex tore it to pieces. I know he had a hand in our reuniting, and in both of us filling the lost void after ugly divorces. Daniel is my gift from God. I am the luckiest woman on earth. And I count him as one of my most precious blessings.

Always when things get tough, I pray, and something comes along and things get better. Or at least if it is something out of my control, I ask for comfort and I receive it.

[parfait]

The way I read it, God would not have any perish. The story of the 99 sheep and the one lost.............how his Sheppard left the 99 to seek the one lost by the wayside, and the rejoicing when the one was found. People who know little about God and his love have a tendency to paint him as this mean person waiting for us to trip up. But I see him as a patient Father..........hoping all his teachings lead his children down a good path. And devastated when they fall to the wayside. How much more love does one need than to send his only son to die an excruciating death just to save us? No, I don't see a heartless God. I see a God who by giving us free will, gives us the choice on loving him or not. He always hopes we will. Think about your own children, how much would you love someone to watch that child suffer and crying in agony to save them? That to me is the ultimate love.

And I don't care who does not agree with me. This is the God I love. He is awesome to me. He sent Daniel to heal my broken heart after my ex tore it to pieces. I know he had a hand in our reuniting, and in both of us filling the lost void after ugly divorces. Daniel is my gift from God. I am the luckiest woman on earth. And I count him as one of my most precious blessings.

Always when things get tough, I pray, and something comes along and things get better. Or at least if it is something out of my control, I ask for comfort and I receive it.

Kinda weird that when you pray, a woman living a perfectly fine life in the civilized world, then you get your boyfriend or whatever. When 10 year old kids from Swaziland pray for, I don't know, to live to 18, then God just couldn't care less (the average life lasts 14 years in Swaziland).

What path did God make for the kids in Swaziland, where over 26% of all adults has HIV/AIDS? What kind of difference does loving God do, when obviously he couldn't care less, and is far to occupied playing Cupid?

Good stuff.

[Behshad]

The way I read it, God would not have any perish. The story of the 99 sheep and the one lost.............how his Sheppard left the 99 to seek the one lost by the wayside, and the rejoicing when the one was found. People who know little about God and his love have a tendency to paint him as this mean person waiting for us to trip up. But I see him as a patient Father..........hoping all his teachings lead his children down a good path. And devastated when they fall to the wayside. How much more love does one need than to send his only son to die an excruciating death just to save us? No, I don't see a heartless God. I see a God who by giving us free will, gives us the choice on loving him or not. He always hopes we will. Think about your own children, how much would you love someone to watch that child suffer and crying in agony to save them? That to me is the ultimate love.

And I don't care who does not agree with me. This is the God I love. He is awesome to me. He sent Daniel to heal my broken heart after my ex tore it to pieces. I know he had a hand in our reuniting, and in both of us filling the lost void after ugly divorces. Daniel is my gift from God. I am the luckiest woman on earth. And I count him as one of my most precious blessings.

Always when things get tough, I pray, and something comes along and things get better. Or at least if it is something out of my control, I ask for comfort and I receive it.

Kinda weird that when you pray, a woman living a perfectly fine life in the civilized world, then you get your boyfriend or whatever. When 10 year old kids from Swaziland pray for, I don't know, to live to 18, then God just couldn't care less (the average life lasts 14 years in Swaziland).

What path did God make for the kids in Swaziland, where over 26% of all adults has HIV/AIDS? What kind of difference does loving God do, when obviously he couldn't care less, and is far to occupied playing Cupid?

Good stuff.

I don't see your scientists do any more than God does for those kids , PeePeeBrain

[parfait]

The way I read it, God would not have any perish. The story of the 99 sheep and the one lost.............how his Sheppard left the 99 to seek the one lost by the wayside, and the rejoicing when the one was found. People who know little about God and his love have a tendency to paint him as this mean person waiting for us to trip up. But I see him as a patient Father..........hoping all his teachings lead his children down a good path. And devastated when they fall to the wayside. How much more love does one need than to send his only son to die an excruciating death just to save us? No, I don't see a heartless God. I see a God who by giving us free will, gives us the choice on loving him or not. He always hopes we will. Think about your own children, how much would you love someone to watch that child suffer and crying in agony to save them? That to me is the ultimate love.

And I don't care who does not agree with me. This is the God I love. He is awesome to me. He sent Daniel to heal my broken heart after my ex tore it to pieces. I know he had a hand in our reuniting, and in both of us filling the lost void after ugly divorces. Daniel is my gift from God. I am the luckiest woman on earth. And I count him as one of my most precious blessings.

Always when things get tough, I pray, and something comes along and things get better. Or at least if it is something out of my control, I ask for comfort and I receive it.

Kinda weird that when you pray, a woman living a perfectly fine life in the civilized world, then you get your boyfriend or whatever. When 10 year old kids from Swaziland pray for, I don't know, to live to 18, then God just couldn't care less (the average life lasts 14 years in Swaziland).

What path did God make for the kids in Swaziland, where over 26% of all adults has HIV/AIDS? What kind of difference does loving God do, when obviously he couldn't care less, and is far to occupied playing Cupid?

Good stuff.

I don't see your scientists do any more than God does for those kids , PeePeeBrain

An absolutely ridiculous argument. Scientists and technicians have managed, through research on retroviral drugs, to reduce the death rate of HIV patients with 80% and increase their life expectancy from 10 years, to to 20-50 years.

In Africa, the number of mother-to-child-transmission (MTCT) cases and the prevalence of AIDS is beginning to reverse decades of steady progress in child survival. Countries such as Uganda are attempting to curb the MTCT epidemic by offering VCT (voluntary counselling and testing), PMTCT (prevention of mother-to-child transmission) and ANC (ante-natal care) services, which include the distribution of antiretroviral therapy.

(source: WHO)

There you have it. Not to mention the work being done to improve their agriculture, through gene manipulated corn and seed as well as inventions to cleanse their drinking water.

[Behshad]

The way I read it, God would not have any perish. The story of the 99 sheep and the one lost.............how his Sheppard left the 99 to seek the one lost by the wayside, and the rejoicing when the one was found. People who know little about God and his love have a tendency to paint him as this mean person waiting for us to trip up. But I see him as a patient Father..........hoping all his teachings lead his children down a good path. And devastated when they fall to the wayside. How much more love does one need than to send his only son to die an excruciating death just to save us? No, I don't see a heartless God. I see a God who by giving us free will, gives us the choice on loving him or not. He always hopes we will. Think about your own children, how much would you love someone to watch that child suffer and crying in agony to save them? That to me is the ultimate love.

And I don't care who does not agree with me. This is the God I love. He is awesome to me. He sent Daniel to heal my broken heart after my ex tore it to pieces. I know he had a hand in our reuniting, and in both of us filling the lost void after ugly divorces. Daniel is my gift from God. I am the luckiest woman on earth. And I count him as one of my most precious blessings.

Always when things get tough, I pray, and something comes along and things get better. Or at least if it is something out of my control, I ask for comfort and I receive it.

Kinda weird that when you pray, a woman living a perfectly fine life in the civilized world, then you get your boyfriend or whatever. When 10 year old kids from Swaziland pray for, I don't know, to live to 18, then God just couldn't care less (the average life lasts 14 years in Swaziland).

What path did God make for the kids in Swaziland, where over 26% of all adults has HIV/AIDS? What kind of difference does loving God do, when obviously he couldn't care less, and is far to occupied playing Cupid?

Good stuff.

I don't see your scientists do any more than God does for those kids , PeePeeBrain

An absolutely ridiculous argument. Scientists and technicians have managed, through research on retroviral drugs, to reduce the death rate of HIV patients with 80% and increase their life expectancy from 10 years, to to 20-150 years.

In Africa, the number of mother-to-child-transmission (MTCT) cases and the prevalence of AIDS is beginning to reverse decades of steady progress in child survival. Countries such as Uganda are attempting to curb the MTCT epidemic by offering VCT (voluntary counselling and testing), PMTCT (prevention of mother-to-child transmission) and ANC (ante-natal care) services, which include the distribution of antiretroviral therapy.

(source: WHO)

There you have it.

And God willing we'll reach 90% soon God should've invented the condoms not scientists
150 years life expectancy ?! More miracle than act of God !!!

[Don]

Maybe God just doesn't like Black people.

[Behshad]

Maybe God just doesn't like Black people.

But parfait isn't black

[conversationpc]

Maybe God just doesn't like Black people.

Actually, that was George Bush but I'm sure he'd be honored that you renamed him.

[Saint John]

Maybe God just doesn't like Black people.

Who does?

[conversationpc]

Maybe God just doesn't like Black people.

Who does?

I do...I only discriminate against stupid people...Like Parfait, for instance.

[Behshad]

Maybe God just doesn't like Black people.

Who does?

[Don]

I can believe in some type of creator but not the one described in the Bible. For Elohim to exist and be so involved with man at one point and yet later be derelict when Stalin was exterminating 20 million of god's children, or who has time to make sure some one finds their true love but goes MIA while albino children in Tanzania are being butchered for body parts.
It's just too much kool-aid to drink.

[parfait]

It's disgusting that you deluded theists can joke and laugh about what your supposed God has orchestrated, or just couldn't care to do anything with. These kids are, when born, condemned into either be killed in guerrilla wars or die of TB or HIV, while you corpulent fucks sits around in churches praying for your wife's to blow you more and that your boss will give you a raise at work.

All the while, missionaries are walking around in Africa, preaching the gospel of God and to to stay away from condoms. That's not funny. It's sick and ugly. Leap of faith, I guess.

[conversationpc]

It's disgusting that you deluded theists can joke and laugh about what your supposed God has orchestrated, or just couldn't care to do anything with. These kids are, when born, condemned into either be killed in guerrilla wars or die of TB or HIV, while you corpulent fucks sits around in churches praying for your wife's to blow you more and that your boss will give you a raise at work.

All the while, missionaries are walking around in Africa, preaching the gospel of God and to to stay away from condoms. That's not funny. It's sick and ugly. Leap of faith, I guess.

Hypocrite...You've got no moral high ground to be castigating anyone for anything. Unbelievable.

[Behshad]

It's disgusting that you deluded theists can joke and laugh about what your supposed God has orchestrated, or just couldn't care to do anything with. These kids are, when born, condemned into either be killed in guerrilla wars or die of TB or HIV, while you corpulent fucks sits around in churches praying for your wife's to blow you more and that your boss will give you a raise at work.

All the while, missionaries are walking around in Africa, preaching the gospel of God and to to stay away from condoms. That's not funny. It's sick and ugly. Leap of faith, I guess.

Exactly who are you talking to ?!
I never ever go to church. I don't believe IN ANY RELIGIONS.
And what do YOU do to help those kids ?! Masturbating to Golden Shower porn and pissing in others mouth isn't the cure either, you spoiled rotten brat.
We may not pray for those kids but none of us except for you gets goose liver and oyster as midnight snack , served by the maid/butler , that will empty your pot you piss in ! Arrogant piece of shit. Enough is enough. We don't buy your BS , so save us the time and go fuck yourself , Barfait !

[StevePerryHair]

It's disgusting that you deluded theists can joke and laugh about what your supposed God has orchestrated, or just couldn't care to do anything with. These kids are, when born, condemned into either be killed in guerrilla wars or die of TB or HIV, while you corpulent fucks sits around in churches praying for your wife's to blow you more and that your boss will give you a raise at work.

All the while, missionaries are walking around in Africa, preaching the gospel of God and to to stay away from condoms. That's not funny. It's sick and ugly. Leap of faith, I guess.

This is a new low even for YOU.

[Don]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

[conversationpc]

It's disgusting that you deluded theists can joke and laugh about what your supposed God has orchestrated, or just couldn't care to do anything with. These kids are, when born, condemned into either be killed in guerrilla wars or die of TB or HIV, while you corpulent fucks sits around in churches praying for your wife's to blow you more and that your boss will give you a raise at work.

All the while, missionaries are walking around in Africa, preaching the gospel of God and to to stay away from condoms. That's not funny. It's sick and ugly. Leap of faith, I guess.

Exactly who are you talking to ?!
I never ever go to church. I don't believe IN ANY RELIGIONS.
And what do YOU do to help those kids ?! Masturbating to Golden Shower porn and pissing in others mouth isn't the cure either, you spoiled rotten brat.
We may not pray for those kids but none of us except for you gets goose liver and oyster as midnight snack , served by the maid/butler , that will empty your pot you piss in ! Arrogant piece of shit. Enough is enough. We don't buy your BS , so save us the time and go fuck yourself , Barfait !

And this from someone who "joked" earlier about drugging and having his way with women. Yeah, right!

[conversationpc]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

[StevePerryHair]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

I don't think God ever said not to use condoms. Does God talk to you Don?

[StevePerryHair]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

The Catholic church is not a cult Dave, let's not start talking like Parfait now, please. I am Catholic, and yes don't agree with every little thing Rome says. But they DO have their reasons. And their reasons are from interpretting things from the bible. So i respect where they are coming from, but cant agree. My thing is, if we ignore some things, or change how we practice them, that seems to be one that should be changed too. Considering what is happening in the world today. I don't know too many Catholics who agree with church law on birth control. Not in the U.S. You know, there are a LOT of misconceptions that Protestants are fed about the catholic church. I've heard a lot of them, and they are just ridiculous. If the Christian churches can't even peacefully co-exist, how can we ever expect to be tolerated by other religions. I find it sad.

[Angel]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

I don't think God ever said not to use condoms. Does God talk to you Don?

And just because people have premarital sex does not mean that God has decided it's OK.

[Saint John]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

I don't think God ever said not to use condoms. Does God talk to you Don?

And just because people have premarital sex does not mean that God has decided it's OK.

It was ok for for that slut Mary.

[Don]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

I don't think God ever said not to use condoms. Does God talk to you Don?

My God talks but as its named the universe, I haven't a clue what it's saying.

[conversationpc]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

The Catholic church is not a cult Dave, let's not start talking like Parfait now, please. I am Catholic, and yes don't agree with every little thing Rome says. But they DO have their reasons. And their reasons are from interpretting things from the bible. So i respect where they are coming from, but cant agree. My thing is, if we ignore some things, or change how we practice them, that seems to be one that should be changed too. Considering what is happening in the world today. I don't know too many Catholics who agree with church law on birth control. Not in the U.S. You know, there are a LOT of misconceptions that Protestants are fed about the catholic church. I've heard a lot of them, and they are just ridiculous. If the Christian churches can't even peacefully co-exist, how can we ever expect to be tolerated by other religions. I find it sad.

I don't have a problem with most Catholics, just Catholocism. But, like I said, that's a topic for another time.

[Don]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

Well, that's another issue right there. The Catholics. How can they have different rules for the same God that they share with the other Christians?

[conversationpc]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

Well, that's another issue right there. The Catholics. How can they have different rules for the same God that they share with the other Christians?

Why don't you ask them instead of directing the question to me? I'm not a Catholic.

[Don]

A cult? Yeah, just like NAMBLA is.

[Don]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

Well, that's another issue right there. The Catholics. How can they have different rules for the same God that they share with the other Christians?

Why don't you ask them instead of directing the question to me? I'm not a Catholic.

I will but since you mentioned them first, I started with you. Don't worry, I'm sure they'll find me before I find them.