Oil Spill Devastation

[Don]

US Gulf oil drilling ban overturned by federal judge


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10377836.stm



A US federal court judge has blocked President Barack Obama's six-month moratorium on deep water oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

The moratorium was put in place in the wake of the massive oil spill triggered by an explosion at a rig in April.

The judge said the lengthy ban was "invalid" and could not be justified, as the negative impact on local businesses was simply too great.

The White House said it would be appealing against the decision.

"An invalid agency decision to suspend drilling of wells in the depths over 500ft simply cannot justify the immeasurable effect on the plaintiffs, the local economy, the Gulf region and the critical present-day aspect of the availability of domestic energy in this country," judge Martin Feldman said.

The decision to overturn the ban follows heavy lobbying by the oil industry.

Top executives from BP, Transocean and other oil firms have warned against over-regulating deep sea oil drilling.

Oil found in deep waters is needed because the world will need 45% more energy by the year 2030, BP's chief of staff, Steve Westwell, earlier told the World National Oil Companies Congress.

Consequently, the world would need new reserves from "new frontiers", he said.

Steven Newman, chief executive of Transocean, which owned and operated the destroyed Deepwater Horizon rig that blew up on 20 April, attacked the US ban on deep water drilling.

"There are things the [US] administration could implement today that would allow the industry to go back to work tomorrow without an arbitrary six-month time limit," Mr Newman said on the sidelines of the meeting.

A prolonged ban on deep water drilling would also "be a step back for energy security", added Chevron executive Jay Pryor, suggesting it would "constrain supplies for world energy".

Mr Westwell said BP would re-assess how it balanced risks, but he also insisted that the leak in the Gulf of Mexico would not lead to deep water production being halted.

It would be a mistake, he insisted, to create an environment in which investment in deep water would become impossible.

"The world does need the oil and the energy that is going to have to come from deep water production going forward," he said.

"Therefore, the regulatory framework must still enable that to be a viable commercial position."

And he said "BP will come through", suggesting that most of the flow from the well in the Gulf should be staunched by August.

[Don]

Hayward's departure: 'Not if, but when'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... f_but.html

Tony Hayward looks like a dead chief executive walking.

Having spoken to those at the top of BP, none can come up with a scenario in which Mr Hayward stays at the helm of the bedraggled oil company longer than the proper capping of the leaking well and some kind of quantification of the financial damage.

How so?

It's not (or at least not yet) the result of the forensic investigations of who precisely was to blame both for the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon and the absence of a reliable process for stemming the leak.

Nor is it the direct consequence of Mr Hayward's hat-trick of public relations own goals, from the plea to reclaim his private life, to his refusal to answer questions put to him by a Congressional subcommittee on Thursday, to yesterday's participation in a JP Morgan yacht race around the Isle of Wight.

It's simpler than all that.

BP has suffered the kind of blow to its finances and its reputation (dividend suspended, share price down 45%, credit rating trashed, viewed as contemptible in much of America) , from which rehabilitation is impossible without a change of leadership - or at least, that is what those with significant influence over this business have, with a heavy heart, concluded.

That said, BP's directors would prefer that Mr Hayward isn't forced out by the weight of US political pressure too quickly.

Why would that be?

Well, right now Mr Hayward is performing an incredibly valuable service to BP.

He is absorbing most of the opprobrium heaped on BP by the White House, Congress, the media and Gulf Coast residents.

The danger of replacing him now is that his successor would quickly be tainted - and could then become a lame duck rather than a new start.

It's all a bit redolent of the board's preference to delay the suspension of the dividend - which turned out to be impossible.

What may have made it harder for Mr Hayward to linger on the bridge of this vast lumbering supertanker of a company was Friday's interview on Sky with BP's chairman, Carl-Henric Svanberg.

The important background here is that the British boardroom tradition is that unless a chief executive is minutes from being sacked, the duty of the chairman is to say that he's doing a tip-top job.

The chairman may harbour doubts. But unless and until the dagger is firmly planted between the chief executive's shoulder blades, the chairman is not supposed to give a hint of those doubts to the wider public - for the good reason that it is pretty difficult for a chief executive to do the job if the owners and employees of the company fear that his or her days may be numbered.

In the face of savage criticism of Mr Hayward, Mr Svanberg did not once leap to his chief executive's defence. All he would say is that he would not judge his colleague prior to receiving the conclusions of assorted probes into the Gulf of Mexico debacle.

So if Mr Hayward has a growing sense of his own impending professional doom, he probably needs to look no further than to his own chairman for the cause.

Of course it may simply be that Mr Svanberg, a Swede who has never before chaired any company, let alone a British one - with all their idiosyncrasies - may not know that a chief executive can be damned in the UK by the mere absence of conspicuous backing from the chairman.

If Mr Svanberg is standing behind Mr Hayward, he'd probably better say so, pretty sharpish - lest Mr Hayward's authority diminishes so much that he can't even stay on as the loyal caretaker who absorbs all those blows.

[Rockindeano]

Is it ant wonder this judge was appointed by a republican president. Reagan appointed this sorry assed judge.

[Don]

On the heels of BP's financial response to the gulf crisis, India may ask its courts to examine whether US company Dow Chemicals could be held liable for the damages from 1984 Bhopal leak.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/10364407.stm

Indian cabinet ministers are recommending that the government do more to help victims of the 1984 Bhopal gas disaster.

The move follows public outrage after seven former managers at the plant were given two-year jail sentences.

The convictions are the first since the disaster at the Union Carbide plant - considered to be the world's worst industrial accident.

Some 3,500 people died within days and more than 15,000 in the years since.

Amid rising public and media pressure the government appointed a group of senior ministers to look again at issues such as compensation for those affected, and what to do about continued pollution at the now abandoned plant.

Briefing reporters after a two-hour-long meeting in Delhi, Home Minister P Chidambaram said the panel of senior ministers had dealt with all issues concerning the accident.

He said the meeting discussed "compensation to victims, legal issues including pursing the extradition of Warren Anderson [the then chairman of the US-based Union Carbide parent group] and... health-related matters".

"Our focus now is bringing relief to the victims of the ghastly tragedy," Mr Chidambaram said. "Thousands continue to suffer, and the government is sympathetic to their plight."

Mr Chidambaram said the cabinet would consider the recommendations on Friday.

The Reuters news agency quoted an unnamed government minister as saying that India may ask its courts to examine whether US company Dow Chemicals could be held liable for the damages.

Twenty years ago Union Carbide paid $470m in compensation to the Indian government.

Dow Chemicals, which bought the company in 1999, says this settlement resolved all existing and future claims against the company.

Correspondents say the fact that the Bhopal tragedy is back in the news at the same time as the huge oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has added to the sense that victims of the 1984 disaster have been terribly let down.

Commentators in India have pointed out that the US government appears far more concerned about a disaster in its own back yard than one which took place years ago in the developing world.

There has also been trenchant criticism of the Indian government response over the years, and of Union Carbide - now owned by Dow Chemicals - for failing to do more to help.

An extradition treaty does exist between India and the United States - but so far all requests by India for Warren Anderson's extradition have been turned down by the American government.

[Rockindeano]

India is smoking crack. I am guessing Dow Chemicals has lawyers who thoroughly exhausted any bits and pieces of any existing or possible existing lawsuits.

Stupid cobra teasers.

[RossValoryRocks]

no shit... but when is this money coming? should people do nothing until it comes?

fucking arm chair libs.

Ummm...that's why this is happening NOW. Nothing pleases you, unless it's done by a Republican, in which case they can do no wrong. Double standard.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....it's EXACTLY what you did for 8 years PLUS...you are a fucking moron...please don't reproduce...your end of the gene pool needs chlorine in it...

[Behshad]

Most Americans do not believe President Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil spill in the Gulf, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

Just 32 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil leak, while 59 percent (including 64 percent of Gulf coast residents) say he does not.

The spill isn't the only issue on which the president is seen as lacking a plan of action: Just 41 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan for developing new sources of energy, while 45 percent say he has no clear plan. And when it comes to creating jobs, just 34 percent say he has a clear plan; 54 percent say he does not.

A majority of Americans - 61 percent - says the president's response to the oil spill was too slow. Just 31 percent say they have "a lot" of confidence in his ability to handle a crisis

How would you deal with it if you were president?

I would have let the Governors call the shots locally and not hindered them like O did with Jindal. Waived the Jones act so that more foreign skimmers could be brought in w/out Coast Guard interference. Told the Coast Guard to back off from their rule book. All claimants who are out of work could now be put to work either cleaning the beaches or animals , or outfitting their boats with skimmers or boom and working them that way. I would let them burn more of the oil off, if I'm not mistaken they made them scale back the burning.

As President I would have struck a positive tone and assured everyone that "yes we have a serious problem, nobody likes it or wanted it to happen, but it's here, let's deal with it, fix it and clean up."

Hold it right there.... if he would let the governor call the shots locally, then you would bitch and moan and say "why the fuck do we have a president if all he does it flee from his responsobilties and pass it on to someone else "

your games are old,,,, but guess its hard for you to come with somethin new unless Rush does ,,,,

[RossValoryRocks]

Only you fuckin stupid Cons would boo hoo Obama for fining BP. That's why you are not in power. You're all fuckin brain dead.

First the President has NO AUTHORITY to fine BP, that's the job of the Federal Courts...you should know this with your degree from Washington State in Poli Sci...He also breached Congressional Authority by making BP set up the fund with no legislation enacting it.

I don't disagree that BP needs to pay, I do disagree with how he did it. He should have let the Federal Courts handle it from the "fine" point of view, and Congress handle thier part of it via legislation. NOW BP will have an out in the courts by claiming double jeopardy.

Obama is RATTLED right now and not making good decisions...or rather listening to the WRONG people in making his decisions...

[RossValoryRocks]

Is it ant wonder this judge was appointed by a republican president. Reagan appointed this sorry assed judge.

Geee...maybe he was just FOLLOWING THE LAW...the President didn't have the AUTHORITY to do what he did...

Isn't that your MAIN bitch about Bush??? That he did things he didn't have the AUTHORITY to do???

But now it's OK...because the WON is doing it?

And you have the GALL to call the Conservatives hypocrits?

[treetopovskaya]

Most Americans do not believe President Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil spill in the Gulf, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

Just 32 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil leak, while 59 percent (including 64 percent of Gulf coast residents) say he does not.

The spill isn't the only issue on which the president is seen as lacking a plan of action: Just 41 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan for developing new sources of energy, while 45 percent say he has no clear plan. And when it comes to creating jobs, just 34 percent say he has a clear plan; 54 percent say he does not.

A majority of Americans - 61 percent - says the president's response to the oil spill was too slow. Just 31 percent say they have "a lot" of confidence in his ability to handle a crisis

How would you deal with it if you were president?

I would have let the Governors call the shots locally and not hindered them like O did with Jindal. Waived the Jones act so that more foreign skimmers could be brought in w/out Coast Guard interference. Told the Coast Guard to back off from their rule book. All claimants who are out of work could now be put to work either cleaning the beaches or animals , or outfitting their boats with skimmers or boom and working them that way. I would let them burn more of the oil off, if I'm not mistaken they made them scale back the burning.

As President I would have struck a positive tone and assured everyone that "yes we have a serious problem, nobody likes it or wanted it to happen, but it's here, let's deal with it, fix it and clean up."

Hold it right there.... if he would let the governor call the shots locally, then you would bitch and moan and say "why the fuck do we have a president if all he does it flee from his responsobilties and pass it on to someone else "

your games are old,,,, but guess its hard for you to come with somethin new unless Rush does ,,,,

b what would you do if you were prez?

[RocknRoll]

As President I would have struck a positive tone and assured everyone that "yes we have a serious problem, nobody likes it or wanted it to happen, but it's here, let's deal with it, fix it and clean up."

WHAATT!! That makes way too much sense.

The Obama administration can't let a good crisis go to waste!! Emanual probably would have booted him out of the White House since he runs it.

Just like when the economy was crumbling in 2008, rather than reassure people he just kept reminding everyone that it was going to get worse. Self-fulfilling prophecy anyone?? I really believe he thought he would be able to come to the rescue and fix it his way and everyone would be happy. OOPS!

[RossValoryRocks]

LOL, of "we're" armchair libs? LOL, you assholes pick on every little thing Obama does.

The Federal Gov't should be handing out checks now, and then use that 20B dollars to reimburse themselves. Hell, I don't think Obama got near enough with 20B. This will cost much more than 20B dollars.

Oh and by the way Wendy, with your little trash mouth, YOUR buddy Liefinder is the one defending BP, not us. Yet we're the armchair assholes, right?

Dude you are a joke...you, 7Bitches and crusty old fart OhSherrie are ALL nothing but jokes. Punchlines to jokes even.

All you have done since I had the misfortune of coming into contact with you is pick on every little thing the republicans, and by extension, all conservatives do.

7Bitches couldn't find a reliable source of information if his life depended on it.

And the Godless One OhSherrie needs to actually go learn something.

Hell you ALL do...all you do is spout Liberal, revisionist, propagana. I could put in just about every word 7Bitches types and find links right back the liberal blogs.

The biggest joke of all is that you 3 have formed the "Liberal Mutal Admiration Society". You 3 ought to move in together and form a commune...drink some bears, eat some 'shrooms, smoke some weed and "turn on, tune in an drop out" together!

I wouldn't cross a street to piss on ANY of you if you were on fire.

[Behshad]

Most Americans do not believe President Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil spill in the Gulf, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

Just 32 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil leak, while 59 percent (including 64 percent of Gulf coast residents) say he does not.

The spill isn't the only issue on which the president is seen as lacking a plan of action: Just 41 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan for developing new sources of energy, while 45 percent say he has no clear plan. And when it comes to creating jobs, just 34 percent say he has a clear plan; 54 percent say he does not.

A majority of Americans - 61 percent - says the president's response to the oil spill was too slow. Just 31 percent say they have "a lot" of confidence in his ability to handle a crisis

How would you deal with it if you were president?

I would have let the Governors call the shots locally and not hindered them like O did with Jindal. Waived the Jones act so that more foreign skimmers could be brought in w/out Coast Guard interference. Told the Coast Guard to back off from their rule book. All claimants who are out of work could now be put to work either cleaning the beaches or animals , or outfitting their boats with skimmers or boom and working them that way. I would let them burn more of the oil off, if I'm not mistaken they made them scale back the burning.

As President I would have struck a positive tone and assured everyone that "yes we have a serious problem, nobody likes it or wanted it to happen, but it's here, let's deal with it, fix it and clean up."

Hold it right there.... if he would let the governor call the shots locally, then you would bitch and moan and say "why the fuck do we have a president if all he does it flee from his responsobilties and pass it on to someone else "

your games are old,,,, but guess its hard for you to come with somethin new unless Rush does ,,,,

b what would you do if you were prez?

I would make sure youre on my good side And I would throw big parties with Soto singing for all my MR friends ,,,and I would put Andrew in charge of the BP fiasco

[RossValoryRocks]

You spineless cheap selfish sonofabitch- You should LOVE abortion- therefore you can save on tax dollars when gasp, a poor young woman loses her way and may need a crutch(government help). You just keep counting YOUR money. fuck, people like you should go to your own fucking island and just sit there and count your money. me me me me.

And for you to compare abortion with endangered wildlife takes the cake. Go fuck yourself.

Fuck you...you are the BIGGEST ME ME ME person here!

You want FREE HEALTHCARE (paid for by the rest of US), free this and free that. You're kid will go to school FREE or almost FREE, but I am going to struggle to get my daughter an education because I am paying for YOUR kid with outrageous taxes. You will have FREE government healthcare, but I have to PAY FOR MINE and YOURS TOO!

Yeah...ME ME ME ME ME...that should be your fucking motto...Christ...what a waste of fucking air you are.

[Behshad]

LOL, of "we're" armchair libs? LOL, you assholes pick on every little thing Obama does.

The Federal Gov't should be handing out checks now, and then use that 20B dollars to reimburse themselves. Hell, I don't think Obama got near enough with 20B. This will cost much more than 20B dollars.

Oh and by the way Wendy, with your little trash mouth, YOUR buddy Liefinder is the one defending BP, not us. Yet we're the armchair assholes, right?

Dude you are a joke...you, 7Bitches and crusty old fart OhSherrie are ALL nothing but jokes. Punchlines to jokes even.

All you have done since I had the misfortune of coming into contact with you is pick on every little thing the republicans, and by extension, all conservatives do.

7Bitches couldn't find a reliable source of information if his life depended on it.

And the Godless One OhSherrie needs to actually go learn something.

Hell you ALL do...all you do is spout Liberal, revisionist, propagana. I could put in just about every word 7Bitches types and find links right back the liberal blogs.

The biggest joke of all is that you 3 have formed the "Liberal Mutal Admiration Society". You 3 ought to move in together and form a commune...drink some bears, eat some 'shrooms, smoke some weed and "turn on, tune in an drop out" together!

I wouldn't cross a street to piss on ANY of you if you were on fire.

With all due respect my dear friend, you can not use that line, cause someone else has the copyrights to that

[RossValoryRocks]

LOL, of "we're" armchair libs? LOL, you assholes pick on every little thing Obama does.

The Federal Gov't should be handing out checks now, and then use that 20B dollars to reimburse themselves. Hell, I don't think Obama got near enough with 20B. This will cost much more than 20B dollars.

Oh and by the way Wendy, with your little trash mouth, YOUR buddy Liefinder is the one defending BP, not us. Yet we're the armchair assholes, right?

Dude you are a joke...you, 7Bitches and crusty old fart OhSherrie are ALL nothing but jokes. Punchlines to jokes even.

All you have done since I had the misfortune of coming into contact with you is pick on every little thing the republicans, and by extension, all conservatives do.

7Bitches couldn't find a reliable source of information if his life depended on it.

And the Godless One OhSherrie needs to actually go learn something.

Hell you ALL do...all you do is spout Liberal, revisionist, propagana. I could put in just about every word 7Bitches types and find links right back the liberal blogs.

The biggest joke of all is that you 3 have formed the "Liberal Mutal Admiration Society". You 3 ought to move in together and form a commune...drink some bears, eat some 'shrooms, smoke some weed and "turn on, tune in an drop out" together!

I wouldn't cross a street to piss on ANY of you if you were on fire.

With all due respect my dear friend, you can not use that line, cause someone else has the copyrights to that

LOL...ok...I will go find out who and properly credit them...

[gr8dane]

Most Americans do not believe President Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil spill in the Gulf, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

Just 32 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil leak, while 59 percent (including 64 percent of Gulf coast residents) say he does not.

The spill isn't the only issue on which the president is seen as lacking a plan of action: Just 41 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan for developing new sources of energy, while 45 percent say he has no clear plan. And when it comes to creating jobs, just 34 percent say he has a clear plan; 54 percent say he does not.

A majority of Americans - 61 percent - says the president's response to the oil spill was too slow. Just 31 percent say they have "a lot" of confidence in his ability to handle a crisis

How would you deal with it if you were president?

I would have let the Governors call the shots locally and not hindered them like O did with Jindal. Waived the Jones act so that more foreign skimmers could be brought in w/out Coast Guard interference. Told the Coast Guard to back off from their rule book. All claimants who are out of work could now be put to work either cleaning the beaches or animals , or outfitting their boats with skimmers or boom and working them that way. I would let them burn more of the oil off, if I'm not mistaken they made them scale back the burning.

As President I would have struck a positive tone and assured everyone that "yes we have a serious problem, nobody likes it or wanted it to happen, but it's here, let's deal with it, fix it and clean up."

Fair enough,then,who should pay for it?

[RossValoryRocks]

Most Americans do not believe President Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil spill in the Gulf, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

Just 32 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan to deal with the oil leak, while 59 percent (including 64 percent of Gulf coast residents) say he does not.

The spill isn't the only issue on which the president is seen as lacking a plan of action: Just 41 percent say Mr. Obama has a clear plan for developing new sources of energy, while 45 percent say he has no clear plan. And when it comes to creating jobs, just 34 percent say he has a clear plan; 54 percent say he does not.

A majority of Americans - 61 percent - says the president's response to the oil spill was too slow. Just 31 percent say they have "a lot" of confidence in his ability to handle a crisis

How would you deal with it if you were president?

I would have let the Governors call the shots locally and not hindered them like O did with Jindal. Waived the Jones act so that more foreign skimmers could be brought in w/out Coast Guard interference. Told the Coast Guard to back off from their rule book. All claimants who are out of work could now be put to work either cleaning the beaches or animals , or outfitting their boats with skimmers or boom and working them that way. I would let them burn more of the oil off, if I'm not mistaken they made them scale back the burning.

As President I would have struck a positive tone and assured everyone that "yes we have a serious problem, nobody likes it or wanted it to happen, but it's here, let's deal with it, fix it and clean up."

Fair enough,then,who should pay for it?

BP absolutely should pay for it. 100%...but the COURTS need to say what they should pay...NOT the President...that's not his job.

[donnaplease]

BP absolutely should pay for it. 100%...but the COURTS need to say what they should pay...NOT the President...that's not his job.

Stu, you're just saying that because he's black.

[Don]

I agree there needs to be some legal guidance here. If BP starts getting fleeced from Amos Moses and others who are looking at compensation like a convenient welfare payout regardless if they were not directly effected by the spill, I see the British Government stepping in and making sure that British Petroleum doesn't become a huge Piggy bank for unscrupulous persons (private and governmental) taking advantage of the situation.

[RossValoryRocks]

BP absolutely should pay for it. 100%...but the COURTS need to say what they should pay...NOT the President...that's not his job.

Stu, you're just saying that because he's black.

LOL

Yeah...it has NOTHING to do with the Separation of Powers as laid out in the Constitution of the United States...

[RossValoryRocks]

I agree there needs to be some legal guidance here. If BP starts getting fleeced from Amos Moses and others who are looking at compensation like a convenient welfare payout regardless if they were not directly effected by the spill, I see the British Government stepping in and making sure that British Petroleum doesn't become a huge Piggy bank for unscrupulous persons (private and governmental) taking advantage of the situation.

What can...and maybe will happen is BP will sell it's US assets to ExxonMobile or Chevron...pull out of the US completely...tell the Federal Government to go fuck themselves, and the British government will the same thing. But ONLY if Obama and left-wing nut jobs try and take MORE than what is mandated by law, and common sense that BP pay to cover.

[AlteredDNA]

He can't help it. He sees a racist behind every Bush...

Just a slight grammatical correction there, son.

Incorrect, but insightful...

And I'm not your son...

[treetopovskaya]

benefit for the birds @ hob in la tues 6/29

http://starsinoureyes.biz/LoveSpill.htm

[7 Wishes]

Throwing out the word racist in a discussion of the oil spill serves no purpose but to add to the already contentious atmosphere here. It's bullshit, and it's one of the reasons I dislike liberalism as a whole.

Well, you need to go back and re-read most of the posts of your fellow dittoheads here. Whenever I try to keep the discussion about issues alone, I am chided, berated, and called names. Sometimes my reponses are a knee-jerk reaction, but they also stem from what is a pretty plain observation to most people in the outside world and a majority of Americans.

[RossValoryRocks]

Throwing out the word racist in a discussion of the oil spill serves no purpose but to add to the already contentious atmosphere here. It's bullshit, and it's one of the reasons I dislike liberalism as a whole.

Well, you need to go back and re-read most of the posts of your fellow dittoheads here. Whenever I try to keep the discussion about issues alone, I am chided, berated, and called names. Sometimes my reponses are a knee-jerk reaction, but they also stem from what is a pretty plain observation to most people in the outside world and a majority of Americans.

What a load of bullshit...you almost INSTANTLY throw racist out there whenever someone disagrees with the President.

It would SEEM (note the use of the word) that YOU are actually being racist by assuming everyone else is, or rather everyone who is conservative.

I guess BIGOT would be better...you are biggoted against conservatives. You hate them ALL. Regardless if they are correct on and issue or not. So you automatically take the opposite side.

[7 Wishes]

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....it's EXACTLY what you did for 8 years PLUS...you are a fucking moron...please don't reproduce...your end of the gene pool needs chlorine in it...

Listen, you sack of shit. This is way over the line, and you know it. It's one thing to question someone's assertions or beliefs, or even to ridicule them...but this is over the top. I thought you were better than this...but going back a few pages, you started the name-calling and insult-hurling (again) when I was just discussing issues.

I am a fantastic father and a good friend to a great many people. Obviously, the opinions of people on this forum don't matter at all to me.

[7 Wishes]

7Bitches couldn't find a reliable source of information if his life depended on it.

Right. Considering almost all my posts end in ".gov" and yours begin with "drudge" or "fox".

Indeed. You are a laugh riot.

[7 Wishes]

Thank you. It's not his job. He needs to lead the cleanup effort and leave his hatred for big business out of it.

So, LiePaster...how do Hannity's and Rush's cocks taste smeared with that special strawberry gel you just purchased from Rent-a-Boy.com?

[7 Wishes]

I guess BIGOT would be better...you are biggoted against conservatives. You hate them ALL. Regardless if they are correct on and issue or not. So you automatically take the opposite side.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Seriously, I have derided Obama more in the past two weeks than you and your mouth-breathing block of dittoheads collectively has the Republican party in five years. YOU are the ones who only see things in black and white. Pun intended.