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RedWingFan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA

Sorry, this is about specific Sharia law how? It's a law against distributing pamphlets, ffs! It's hardly advocating the stoning of adulterers (which is biblical law, too, btw.)

I want to know, what the hell is going on that a group of Christians specifically targetting a festival celebrating a different religion are getting their panties in a twist about their constitutional rights for. Somehow, I don't see the same reaction here if they were targetting a Jewish festival.

Arianddu wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA

It's a law against distributing pamphlets, ffs!

You're obviously an idiot. Thanks!

We'll stick with our beaners here in So Cal, thank you. You guys just keep your camel jockeys over there, okay?

Speaking from a christian perspective, those guys were not acting Christ like. They were being confrontational. They knew if they went there they would not be welcomed. It was a celibration for arabic and muslim belieiving people. That would be as bad as a muslim going into a church and passing out muslim pamplets. It was not done in a proper spirit, it was just to adjitate these people. I think they acted rudely, and I am glad the officers took it upon themselves to ask them to leave.

Freedom of expression of religion is for the muslims too. Remove their rights, and you remove rights of all faiths.

RedWingFan wrote:

Arianddu wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA

It's a law against distributing pamphlets, ffs!

You're obviously an idiot. Thanks!

No actually she is quite inteligent. Apparently you don't know her very well.

The fact is that religious belief has a profound effect on your thoughts on your life. Especially when you believe such fanatical and hateful things that many believers do, Islamist especially. Sam Harris says through his book, that extreme beliefs move interchangeably through every person's thoughtpattern. Extreme beliefs begets extreme actions, which in essence describes Religion in a nutshell. So to keep religion out of politics is almost impossible, even in a secular state.

Arianddu is spot on by the way. This is not about Sharia.

This country should shut down every mosque there is and tell the Muslims to get the fuck out. The country would be far safer and smell better.

Saint John wrote:This country should shut down every mosque there is and tell the Muslims to get the fuck out. The country would be far safer and smell better.

You might as well throw away the constitution while you're at it. We should have freedom of religion as long as it's not a fucked up religion. We fucked up by importing these whack jobs. Our government has let us down.

steveo777 wrote:

Saint John wrote:This country should shut down every mosque there is and tell the Muslims to get the fuck out. The country would be far safer and smell better.

You might as well throw away the constitution while you're at it. We should have freedom of religion as long as it's not a fucked up religion. We fucked up by importing these whack jobs. Our government has let us down.

What about the Mormons and JWs? you gonna blame that on the government too !??

Behshad wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Saint John wrote:This country should shut down every mosque there is and tell the Muslims to get the fuck out. The country would be far safer and smell better.

You might as well throw away the constitution while you're at it. We should have freedom of religion as long as it's not a fucked up religion. We fucked up by importing these whack jobs. Our government has let us down.

What about the Mormons and JWs? you gonna blame that on the government too !??

B, I love your new avatar!

Behshad wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Saint John wrote:This country should shut down every mosque there is and tell the Muslims to get the fuck out. The country would be far safer and smell better.

You might as well throw away the constitution while you're at it. We should have freedom of religion as long as it's not a fucked up religion. We fucked up by importing these whack jobs. Our government has let us down.

What about the Mormons and JWs? you gonna blame that on the government too !??

The Mormons and the JWs don't go blowing up anything or anyone they don't agree with. They also have more respect for women and don't make them wear ridiculous costumes in public.

Once we get all the Palestinians imported to Michigan, we can send all those East Coast Jews on a one way trip to Gaza.

I think B was refering to Jehova's Witness members...

RossValoryRocks wrote:I think B was refering to Jehova's Witness members...

I just wanted to make sure that we didn't leave anyone out in this thread.

RedWingFan wrote:

Arianddu wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA

It's a law against distributing pamphlets, ffs!

You're obviously an idiot. Thanks!

You obviously ignore any part of an argument that might make you think.

It's a deliberately provocative beat-up trying to create an illusion of something that isn't there. If you're going to scream that this is Sharia law opperating in Michigan, you might want to consider that outlawing murder, theft and the use of illicit drugs is also applying Sharia law. Preventing people handing out pamphlets, especially when they are deliberately and obviously doing so to cause a scene, is hardly the law enforcement agencies of Michigan suddenly adopting Sharia law over US law. Any idiot can tell that the cops aren't reacting because these people are 'attempting' to convert muslims (which I don't for a moment think is what they actually intend to do), they are reacting to a group of people deliberately targetting another group of people in a provocative manner and trying to cause a scene. And those same cops will be applying laws already in place to do so.

Here's a little piece I keep remembering from the Bible, one of those verses I keep wondering why people ignore so much: Love your enemy. Actually, it's so good, the Bible says it more than once -
Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you"
Luke 6:27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you"
Even Romans 12:20 gets in on the theme "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink" although it does go on to say that by doing so you'll heap coals on his head; I've always assumed that was metaphorical for 'make him feel shitty for his bad behaviour' rather than a more literal meaning.

artist4perry wrote:Speaking from a christian perspective, those guys were not acting Christ like. They were being confrontational. They knew if they went there they would not be welcomed. It was a celibration for arabic and muslim belieiving people. That would be as bad as a muslim going into a church and passing out muslim pamplets. It was not done in a proper spirit, it was just to adjitate these people. I think they acted rudely, and I am glad the officers took it upon themselves to ask them to leave.

Freedom of expression of religion is for the muslims too. Remove their rights, and you remove rights of all faiths.

Exactly!

artist4perry wrote:Speaking from a christian perspective, those guys were not acting Christ like.

What Christian perspective are you talking about? Christ said to spread the word across the land. Shine his light into the darkness. That's about as Christ like as you can get.

artist4perry wrote:They were being confrontational.

Yeah, they really got in people's grills and really intimidated them didn't they. On a public city street no less.

artist4perry wrote:They knew if they went there they would not be welcomed.

Whether they are welcomed by all is irrelevant, they have a Constitutional right to stand there and hand out literature. The Constitution is the law of the land (supposedly) by the way.

artist4perry wrote:It was a celibration for arabic and muslim belieiving people. That would be as bad as a muslim going into a church and passing out muslim pamplets.

Uh, these people didn't stroll into a masque did they? Much less strapped with a couple of pounds of C4. They were on taxpayers property. Stick to reality please.

artist4perry wrote:It was not done in a proper spirit, it was just to adjitate these people.

It's been done before. That's why they were videotaping it. To show how quickly the cops would move in.

artist4perry wrote:I think they acted rudely, and I am glad the officers took it upon themselves to ask them to leave.

You think individual police should "take it upon themselves" to forcibly remove folks who aren't breaking any laws and violating their Constitutional rights? What else should the cops be doing other than upholding the law that they swear an oath to?

artist4perry wrote:Freedom of expression of religion is for the muslims too. Remove their rights, and you remove rights of all faiths.

They're free to stand on public property and hand out literature outside of churches also.

Arianddu wrote:Here's a little piece I keep remembering from the Bible, one of those verses I keep wondering why people ignore so much: Love your enemy. Actually, it's so good, the Bible says it more than once -
Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you"
Luke 6:27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you"
Even Romans 12:20 gets in on the theme "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink"

Love and grace were exactly what they were doing. What deeper love to show than passages from the book of John, so they can also know their Savior in Christ and a place in heaven?
You make it sound like these folks instead were on top of buildings with sniper rifles.

RedWingFan wrote:

Arianddu wrote:Here's a little piece I keep remembering from the Bible, one of those verses I keep wondering why people ignore so much: Love your enemy. Actually, it's so good, the Bible says it more than once -
Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you"
Luke 6:27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you"
Even Romans 12:20 gets in on the theme "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink"

Love and grace were exactly what they were doing. What deeper love to show than passages from the book of John, so they can also know their Savior in Christ and a place in heaven?
You make it sound like these folks instead were on top of buildings with sniper rifles.

Interesting that you think I was talking about the people in the video...

Arianddu wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Arianddu wrote:Here's a little piece I keep remembering from the Bible, one of those verses I keep wondering why people ignore so much: Love your enemy. Actually, it's so good, the Bible says it more than once -
Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you"
Luke 6:27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you"
Even Romans 12:20 gets in on the theme "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink"

Love and grace were exactly what they were doing. What deeper love to show than passages from the book of John, so they can also know their Savior in Christ and a place in heaven?
You make it sound like these folks instead were on top of buildings with sniper rifles.

Interesting that you think I was talking about the people in the video...

It's not his fault he's a moron

Behshad wrote:

Arianddu wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Arianddu wrote:Here's a little piece I keep remembering from the Bible, one of those verses I keep wondering why people ignore so much: Love your enemy. Actually, it's so good, the Bible says it more than once -
Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you"
Luke 6:27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you"
Even Romans 12:20 gets in on the theme "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink"

Love and grace were exactly what they were doing. What deeper love to show than passages from the book of John, so they can also know their Savior in Christ and a place in heaven?
You make it sound like these folks instead were on top of buildings with sniper rifles.

Interesting that you think I was talking about the people in the video...

It's not his fault he's a moron

Careful B, we might hijack this thread into a debate about the quality of the US education system. Or the quality of US sperm.

RedWingFan wrote:You're obviously an idiot. Thanks!

You're obviously an ignorant, self-richeous Limbaugh-worshipping, single-minded, feeble-brained, hypocritical reich-wing douchebag hiding behind the poffered veil of your supposed Christianity. You are as intolerant as a Taliban overlord, and philisophically not much different.

''I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.'' - Dubbya, May 12, 2008.

''Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.'' - Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009.

''If ObamaCare passes, that free insurance card that's in people's pockets is gonna be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the war between the states -- the Great War of Yankee Aggression.'' - Rep. Paul Broun (R- Ga.), March 18, 2010.

''You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one — I can't speak for you, but I'm on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show.'' —Glenn Beck, Nov. 6, 2006.

7 Wishes wrote:
You're obviously an ignorant, self-richeous Limbaugh-worshipping, single-minded, feeble-brained, hypocritical reich-wing douchebag hiding behind the poffered veil of your supposed Christianity. You are as intolerant as a Taliban overlord, and philisophically not much different.

Sounds like the only one with hate in their heart is you..

7 Wishes wrote:"
''I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.'' - Dubbya, May 12, 2008.

Source please? Putting quotes around something doesn't make it sourced.

7 Wishes wrote:"
''Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.'' - Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009.

Do you breathe much? How about helping out global warming and stop??? And for goodness sake never FART...that has methane in it, which 1000 times worse than CO2.

7 Wishes wrote:"
''If ObamaCare passes, that free insurance card that's in people's pockets is gonna be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the war between the states -- the Great War of Yankee Aggression.'' - Rep. Paul Broun (R- Ga.), March 18, 2010.

Yeah...the card might be worth more than the DOLLARS used to purchase it.

Oh and I know of several companies that are already considering throwing their employees off of their insurance because it is only a $500 fine per employee per month, while it costs them an average of $1200 per employee per month to provide insurance.

7 Wishes wrote:"
''You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one — I can't speak for you, but I'm on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show.'' —Glenn Beck, Nov. 6, 2006.

The man is a RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC...he was refering to wanting a drink dickhead.

Well I sure as shit need a drink after reading your guys' non-stop exchange. Jesus Christ.

RossValoryRocks wrote:''I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.'' - Dubbya, May 12, 2008..
Source please? Putting quotes around something doesn't make it sourced.

The source was George W. Bush himself.

As for the rest of your drawn-out rhetoric...no, I don't have hate in my heart. I have no respect for people with zero tolerance and zero empathy who use religion as a weapon like GoebbelsFan.

And Glenn Beck is, simply, psychotic, and a ridiculous human being. But he doesn't necessarily KNOW he's full of shit and lying all the time - unlike Hannity, Limbaugh, and Coulter. They're truly black-hearted and borderline evil.

Glenn Beck is the new # 1 target ! He must be stiring some important Lib feathers . He does it with drastic humor unlike Chris (dazed) Matthews. I love those Beck chalkboards that point out all of the Obama previous associations. As I told my sons 15 yrs ago " Who you hang with is what you are. Same goes in politics. Especially, Chicago politics !!!!!! He brought most of Chicago scum to Washington ! Blago will bring them into treacherous terrority to save some of his own A$$...... Get a front seat !!

RedWingFan wrote:

artist4perry wrote:Speaking from a christian perspective, those guys were not acting Christ like.

What Christian perspective are you talking about? Christ said to spread the word across the land. Shine his light into the darkness. That's about as Christ like as you can get.

artist4perry wrote:They were being confrontational.

Yeah, they really got in people's grills and really intimidated them didn't they. On a public city street no less.

artist4perry wrote:They knew if they went there they would not be welcomed.

Whether they are welcomed by all is irrelevant, they have a Constitutional right to stand there and hand out literature. The Constitution is the law of the land (supposedly) by the way.

artist4perry wrote:It was a celibration for arabic and muslim belieiving people. That would be as bad as a muslim going into a church and passing out muslim pamplets.

Uh, these people didn't stroll into a masque did they? Much less strapped with a couple of pounds of C4. They were on taxpayers property. Stick to reality please.

artist4perry wrote:It was not done in a proper spirit, it was just to adjitate these people.

It's been done before. That's why they were videotaping it. To show how quickly the cops would move in.

artist4perry wrote:I think they acted rudely, and I am glad the officers took it upon themselves to ask them to leave.

You think individual police should "take it upon themselves" to forcibly remove folks who aren't breaking any laws and violating their Constitutional rights? What else should the cops be doing other than upholding the law that they swear an oath to?

artist4perry wrote:Freedom of expression of religion is for the muslims too. Remove their rights, and you remove rights of all faiths.

They're free to stand on public property and hand out literature outside of churches also.

Well since you so kindly minced up what I said and analyzed it...........it was my oppinion from my perspective. You apparently have a thing against muslims. I on the other hand have a good friend who is muslim. She and I have had many nice talks about religion. She about hers, and I about mine. We were both curious. I enjoyed her company very much in college. She is a peaceful muslim, and wants peace in the world. Amazing how the two of us can look at a God so differently, yet find friendship with each other. I am not threatened by her at all. I would have been mad if someone did that to her. And the guy who called them camel jockeys............. That is like calling a black man a n.............. Beleive what you wish, I would not associate myself with people so bent on just trying to get a reaction. They got their 15 minutes of fame.....for what it was worth. Much like those Babtists who cheer and jear at soldiers funerals. Did they do this because they loved themuslims? Or to see what the cops would do. I think if you re watch the beginning and end, they were focused on what the cops would do........not to really bring someone knowledge of Christ. They wanted to bring focus on the people as an us vs them complaint. Not loving or sharing at all. Ari is right..........love thy enemies, not harrass thy enemies.

artist4perry wrote:Well since you so kindly minced up what I said and analyzed it...........it was my oppinion from my perspective. You apparently have a thing against muslims. I on the other hand have a good friend who is muslim. She and I have had many nice talks about religion. She about hers, and I about mine. We were both curious. I enjoyed her company very much in college. She is a peaceful muslim, and wants peace in the world. Amazing how the two of us can look at a God so differently, yet find friendship with each other. I am not threatened by her at all.

My roommate is a Muslim and she also goes against the stereotypes, like your friend. There are a lot of crazies out there, for sure, but there are good Muslims and I hate seeing them get lumped in with the extremists.

7 Wishes wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:''I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.'' - Dubbya, May 12, 2008..
Source please? Putting quotes around something doesn't make it sourced.

The source was George W. Bush himself.

As for the rest of your drawn-out rhetoric...no, I don't have hate in my heart. I have no respect for people with zero tolerance and zero empathy who use religion as a weapon like GoebbelsFan.

And Glenn Beck is, simply, psychotic, and a ridiculous human being. But he doesn't necessarily KNOW he's full of shit and lying all the time - unlike Hannity, Limbaugh, and Coulter. They're truly black-hearted and borderline evil.

Dan, I'd like to hear what source GW's "statement" came from. Facts please. And I also agree with him about you being hate-fuelled. Could you have possibly called him any more names in one sentence? For fuck's sake man!:roll: And while I agree that Glenn can be a little over the top at times... please point out a lie that he's told.