Which one is STYX?

[DarrenUK]

Why did they not work together.....were they already hating each other then ?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Hate is a strong word. I don't think any of the boys really "hated" each other. A little therapy session together and they'll be okay.

I can't remember, I think it was because of the location which studio to use, out in L.A. or Chicago. The parties involved got stubborn or something like that. I think they were pressured to get this album out so maybe they just said "screw it, we'll do it this way" or something like that.

There is an article floating out there that explains a little more about the recording process for this album. I just have to find it.

[DarrenUK]

Please find it....i would like to read it...thanks

[SuiteMadameBlue]

In my free time I will - LOL

I know I have it, just where it is can be anyones guess - LOL

[Monker]

TALKING OF CRAP ALBUMS DID YOU ENJOY THE LAST STYX CD THEY ALL WORKED ON TOGETHER....... A LITTLE GEM CALLED BRAVE NEW WORLD ?

I don't know if I would say they "worked" together on BNW....

They did work together on Kilroy...and it still sucked.

[Monker]

Not when the band does 600 shows a year
Thats the pain buddy.

Yep, 600 shows that all suck. Plus the 50 or so Dennis does, that also suck. That's a lot of performances of Styx songs that all suck.

As Dr. Smith would say, "Oh, the pain, the pain!"

[Monker]

Hate is a strong word. I don't think any of the boys really "hated" each other. A little therapy session together and they'll be okay.

I can't remember, I think it was because of the location which studio to use, out in L.A. or Chicago. The parties involved got stubborn or something like that. I think they were pressured to get this album out so maybe they just said "screw it, we'll do it this way" or something like that.

There is an article floating out there that explains a little more about the recording process for this album. I just have to find it.

Oh, I thought it was because they all sucked and they all wanted it there way or the highway...and Dennis chose the highway. Or, something like that. It doesn't matter BNW still sucks almost as much as Kilroy.

[Monker]

As mentioned in Behind the Music, and if I remember it was Jim Vose that said it: Styx is Dennis, Tommy, JY, Chuck & John. Period. Anything else is always compared to this for justification if it is or isn't "Styx".

And, later, on the Indra Styx list, Vose said he regretted saying the above...that after he saw them in concert that Styx was just as good as ever. So, the ONE supporter of Dennis on the BTM, (other then his WIFE), backtracked BIG TIME after BTM was released.

But, of course, Vose is now a traitor and he sucks, the same with Chuck. Styx sucks.

If you like Dennis' contributions to what was Styx, then go and enjoy his shows. If you like Tommy and JY's contributions, then go see the current Styx. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

But, the ALL have members replacing other members. Therefore, they can't be THAT good...so they all suck. Everybody should just stay home and listen to their CD's.

If you are not someone that is directly involved in the matter (ie band member) then you have no say in who tours with who.

Of course you do. If enough people don't buy the tickets, the given performer can't tour and will have to find another band to prop them up...someone like LRB or the Hooters, somebody way above Styx or Dennis' ability to sell tickets.

[mrronboto]

[quote="MonkerBut, the ALL have members replacing other members. Therefore, they can't be THAT good...so they all suck. Everybody should just stay home and listen to their CD's. [/quote]

Then why don't you stop complaining about the current situation of how things are and do just that.

Of course you do. If enough people don't buy the tickets, the given performer can't tour and will have to find another band to prop them up...someone like LRB or the Hooters, somebody way above Styx or Dennis' ability to sell tickets.

Dennis' ability to sell tickets on his own has been proven, and the opening acts that he has done shows with I would hardly call them "propping him up". I cannot comment on the Styx shows as I do not follow them.


I will say about the current shows that Dennis does: I don't think they suck. Are they like the the work that he did with Styx? No. Is that a bad thing? Not necessairly. Don't equate "different" with "bad". "Different" is "different". There are things that are missing from his shows that were in the Styx performances, and likewise there are things in his shows that were not in the Styx shows. Personally the recorded version of "Babe" from Cornerstone is the best version of that song. No live performance by Dennis or Styx or other released copy comes close as to how good that version is. Do I still enjoy the song at a concert? Yes.

All things change. It's a part of life.
Ron

[SuiteMadameBlue]

My Sweet Monker wrote:

And, later, on the Indra Styx list, Vose said he regretted saying the above...that after he saw them in concert that Styx was just as good as ever. So, the ONE supporter of Dennis on the BTM, (other then his WIFE), backtracked BIG TIME after BTM was released.

Okay, there were MANY people interviewed for this Styx episode especially on the "Dennis side". That footage and interviews were not used. They (BOTH sides) were not happy campers about it either.

[sadie65]

Ron...admirable though your attempt is...allow me to clarify something in the event you are unfamiliar with the history here.

Monker, while extremely intelligent cannot/will not allow for what he perceives to be constant slams of the band. As such, recently he has taken to spewing tripe about how the band sucks...and on and on and on. Even when he has been given examples in the past of how that thinking is erroneous, he continues to complain of this. It is his choice of course. If he chooses to take such a petulant stand, far be it for me to stop him. I'd have as much success of that as I would having Froy stop the equally ridiculous idea that the band will fold next week.

I of course, have long espoused the idea that one should go and see who they like. That here, yes there are those who slam the band/Dennis/anyone associated with it past or present, simply because they cannot accept things. By and large though, most here are very accepting of it. Are there barbs made by each "side"...without a doubt. Will that stop? Highly doubtful.

With that I say...welcome to the tilting at windmills club.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Ron,

I know you don't have time to go back all 24 pages, but Monker is posting like this because of Froy. He normally doesn't talk silly like Styx sux or anything, he's just making a point to the posts of Froy and of course to me too. But I still love him !!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Sadie, isn't that cute???? We posted at the same time!!

Monker, I wish you weren't so angry, I hope you make it to the spa like we talked about

[styxfanNH]

But I still love him !!

Hell, If Monker will go back to being the self proclaimed troll that he is, I'll love him too.

[stmonkeys]

And, later, on the Indra Styx list, Vose said he regretted saying the above...that after he saw them in concert that Styx was just as good as ever. So, the ONE supporter of Dennis on the BTM, (other then his WIFE), backtracked BIG TIME after BTM was released.

But, of course, Vose is now a traitor and he sucks, the same with Chuck. Styx sucks.
.

at one point in time after the BTM episode, i spoke w/ vose. (we talked mostly about our dogs, but the subject of styx did come up. imagine that! LOL If i recall correctly, he said his comment was taken out of context. (big surprise there, LOL!) In actuality, he was referring to the EOTC era styx (not the current version, or 5.0, or whatever you want to call them...lol) when he said Styx will always be.... etc. He was very hurt when he saw the episode, and for a while TS refused to even acknowledge him. eventually, i think they have reconciled their differences, but i don't know how close they are today.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

In one of Tommy's letters and in one of Vose's posts, I thought they mentioned talking to each other after a show in Michigan or somewhere and everything was okay. That was like 2 years ago or something like that.

I still have both posts, somewhere - LOL

[mrronboto]

I am quite familiar with all of the misquotings/out of context comments that were editing in that damn Behind the Music episode. But, depending on your point of view, the quote that Vose made is a valid one, and I did not see it as a slam against any person in the band--that was not the intent.
Any band that has had multiple lineups over their careers will have that one special lineup that everything seemed to click and got the most response from fans/sales/concerts, etc. Yes, for example, has had more different incarnations than I care to count. But their one lineup is fondly known as the "classic" Yes lineup. I can't even keep track of it, as I am only a casual fan.
Likewise, a casual fan will probably only recognize the work of Styx by DeYoung/Shaw/Young/Panozzo's as Styx. Any current work by Styx or DeYoung will be compared in this casual fan's eye by what they know and recognize from the "classic" Styx lineup. There will even be those at a Styx show that don't know that DeYoung left and wonder why the keyboard player sounds a little different as he has aged. Some will have had too much Jeagermeister to even care.
My original point was that anything done now will be compared to the high standard of excellence that was established by the group in their heyday. Now almost 30 years later, things are different, people are different in the organizations, and that means that things will sound different as well. So you can accept change and what we have now, or lock your doors and dig out your copy of Grand Illusion on vinal and remember what was.

[mrronboto]

Ron...admirable though your attempt is...allow me to clarify something in the event you are unfamiliar with the history here.

Monker, while extremely intelligent cannot/will not allow for what he perceives to be constant slams of the band. As such, recently he has taken to spewing tripe about how the band sucks...and on and on and on. Even when he has been given examples in the past of how that thinking is erroneous, he continues to complain of this. It is his choice of course. If he chooses to take such a petulant stand, far be it for me to stop him. I'd have as much success of that as I would having Froy stop the equally ridiculous idea that the band will fold next week.

I of course, have long espoused the idea that one should go and see who they like. That here, yes there are those who slam the band/Dennis/anyone associated with it past or present, simply because they cannot accept things. By and large though, most here are very accepting of it. Are there barbs made by each "side"...without a doubt. Will that stop? Highly doubtful.

With that I say...welcome to the tilting at windmills club.

Thanks for the info, Sadie. If there was any misunderstanding by anyone it was not my intention to slam the band. I had my period of frustration over the entire split a few years ago, vented it, and have since moved on. I spend most of my "fan time" concentrating on Dennis' career and acomplishments, as well as his current endeavours. While I enjoyed all of the work by Styx as a whole, it was him that I connected with the most and enjoyed. I cannot even comment on what the others are doing now since I really don't care about what they do (part of my moving on) and treat them like I do other bands that I don't like to listen to--I IGNORE THEM. May they do what they do and "Good luck Bro" to them.
Ron

[Monker]

Then why don't you stop complaining about the current situation of how things are and do just that.

Well, I'm finding it's a lot of fun to constantly complain. And, hey, I'm just like froy anyway.

Dennis' ability to sell tickets on his own has been proven, and the opening acts that he has done shows with I would hardly call them "propping him up". I cannot comment on the Styx shows as I do not follow them.

Well, when I saw him a few years ago, he could have used the Hooters. The venue was only half filled - at best.

I will say about the current shows that Dennis does: I don't think they suck.

I think they do. Very boring.

Are they like the the work that he did with Styx? No. Is that a bad thing? Not necessairly.

Well, doing not-so-well-known Styx songs is a much better idea then mixing Styx with broadway with an orchestra and a choir...and then putting on a fairly boring rock/classical/musical/whatever sorta 'thing'.

Don't equate "different" with "bad". "Different" is "different".

And, boring is boring and sucks is sucks. And, Dennis' shows are both.

There are things that are missing from his shows that were in the Styx performances

correct...Like crowds that stand up and sing for songs other then CSA.

and likewise there are things in his shows that were not in the Styx shows.

Correct...Hunchback songs and guys who sang in "Prince of Egypt".

Personally the recorded version of "Babe" from Cornerstone is the best version of that song. No live performance by Dennis or Styx or other released copy comes close as to how good that version is. Do I still enjoy the song at a concert? Yes.

Then you're a follower and not a leader like froy. They are both cover bands, replacing original members, and pretending to "be" Styx by covering Styx songs.

[Monker]

My Sweet Monker wrote:

And, later, on the Indra Styx list, Vose said he regretted saying the above...that after he saw them in concert that Styx was just as good as ever. So, the ONE supporter of Dennis on the BTM, (other then his WIFE), backtracked BIG TIME after BTM was released.

Okay, there were MANY people interviewed for this Styx episode especially on the "Dennis side". That footage and interviews were not used. They (BOTH sides) were not happy campers about it either.

So what. Doesn't change what you quoted.

Nobody other Vose and Dennis' wife showed him any support...and Vose basicaly took back what he said and made a LOT of posts in favor of the band.

[Monker]

In one of Tommy's letters and in one of Vose's posts, I thought they mentioned talking to each other after a show in Michigan or somewhere and everything was okay. That was like 2 years ago or something like that.

I still have both posts, somewhere - LOL

I think it was a LOT longer then 2yrs.

[mrronboto]

I will say about the current shows that Dennis does: I don't think they suck.

I think they do. Very boring.

Well, doing not-so-well-known Styx songs is a much better idea then mixing Styx with broadway with an orchestra and a choir...and then putting on a fairly boring rock/classical/musical/whatever sorta 'thing'.

And, boring is boring and sucks is sucks. And, Dennis' shows are both.

But remember that stating that something is "boring" or that it "sucks" is simply a matter of opinion. Everyone is different and everyone likes different things. One person has no right to critisize what another person likes/sucks/thinks is boring. If you do not like what Dennis is doing and think that it sucks, then don't waste your money on it and let those that do enjoy it enjoy the show. I will promise in return to to rain on your parade of anything that you might like that I think sucks.

There are things that are missing from his shows that were in the Styx performances

correct...Like crowds that stand up and sing for songs other then CSA.

and likewise there are things in his shows that were not in the Styx shows.

Correct...Hunchback songs and guys who sang in "Prince of Egypt".

Not actually what my intention was in my original comment, but you look at it any way that you wish. Personally, I prefer people to stay the heck in their seats--I want to see the stage not their back; and I also paid to her the people on stage sing, not the person next to me that should limit their singing to the shower!

Then you're a follower and not a leader like froy. They are both cover bands, replacing original members, and pretending to "be" Styx by covering Styx songs.

I am a fan that enjoys the music, and the way that it has effected me personally through the years. I didn't know there were special qualifications to being a fan as a "follower" or "leader" or that one was better than the other. I DO take offense that the way you have this stated that I am an "inferrior" fan and do not appriciate such a comment. As far as a "leader", what are they leading? The band's career? There are far more people that are professionally qualified to do that than me. Lead by telling others how I think they should feel? Sorry, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions and choices, especially when it comes to what they like and dislike. I am not Big Brother.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

My Sweet Monker wrote:

I think it was a LOT longer then 2yrs.

Are you sure?? I thought it was like 2 years that they finally talked after that concert and they both posted about it. Huh, I'll have to find the posts.

Monker, I hope you're doing good tonight. I really worry about you when you post so negative, it's not like you !! Hugs and kisses !!

[Monker]

But remember that stating that something is "boring" or that it "sucks" is simply a matter of opinion.

Yeah, and so is saying it doesn't suck.

One person has no right to critisize what another person likes/sucks/thinks is boring.

Sure, I can. Everybody does it. Watch:

Dennis' jokes are lame. The way he goes on about Styx without naming Styx so someone in the crowd can say Styx was his band so he can say "thanks Uncle Jerry" is a bit insulting and not funny at all. His stage presence is ridiculous...he basicaly just stands in one spot, hardly moving at all. The way he gets his nephew to turn off the lights as a joke was stupid. Finaly, the way he had his wife come out to do a comercial for Finesse was the dumbest thing I have ever seen at a concert.

If you do not like what Dennis is doing and think that it sucks, then don't waste your money on it and let those that do enjoy it enjoy the show.

I can stop people from enjoying something by critiquing it? Cool.

At least I critique things I have actualy seen...unlike my twin brother, froy.

I will promise in return to to rain on your parade of anything that you might like that I think sucks.

Go for it.

I am a fan that enjoys the music, and the way that it has effected me personally through the years.

You are a follower of Dennis. Instead of critiquing him for replacing the entire band and then using the Styx name to promote his broadway version of Styx. How sad.

I didn't know there were special qualifications to being a fan as a "follower" or "leader" or that one was better than the other.

Of course there are.

I DO take offense that the way you have this stated that I am an "inferrior" fan and do not appriciate such a comment.

I can't imagine why.

As far as a "leader", what are they leading?

They are leading the charge for the REAL Styx. That does not include the phoney Styx without Dennis...and doesn't include Dennis replacing the entire band.

Lead by telling others how I think they should feel? Sorry, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions and choices, especially when it comes to what they like and dislike. I am not Big Brother.

No, Big Brother was a watcher...Not a follower or a leader.

[Monker]

Monker, I hope you're doing good tonight. I really worry about you when you post so negative, it's not like you !! Hugs and kisses !![/b][/color]

Oh, really? You ALWAYS say I post negative.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

My Sweet Monker Wrote:

Oh, really? You ALWAYS say I post negative.

I've been changing my tune on here. I'm sick of being negative. I'm in the mood to give a lot of love, especially to you!!!

Seriously, I've moved on. There's nothing any fan can do but just support the music they like. All the negativity is getting nowhere.

I hope you have a GREAT night!!!

[mrronboto]

You're right Monker. I am a follower. And I take it as a compliment after seeing your definition. I also agree that Dennis' jokes can be a bit hacky. I don't see his shows for the jokes. I go for the music. If I want jokes, there are many fine comedians out there I can go see.
Also, I do not want Dennis to get back with the other members of Styx, so why should I be a "leader" to make this happen? He was thrown out of Styx and if you look at it from the Styx point of view they feel justified as to why they kicked him out. If things were that difficult for all of them to work together, and it wasn't going to produce positive results, then it is probably best they don't work together. Even if there is some sort of reunion in the future, the pain caused by all of the ill feelings toward each other will probably harbor some resentment. If there's still that resentment, then how can they have the energy as a unified group to work together? They can't.
Since Dennis was kicked out, and he had spent his entire life building up Styx as a brand as a performer, what do you expect him to do after being thrown out? Sit on his butt all day and do nothing? Go on stage with tape recordings of the other musicians and sing karoke to them? He needed a band, and he had none. He did not replace anyone--no one was there to begin with.
Do I like the whole "Music of Styx" thing? No. I feel Dennis is more than what he has done with Styx. I also wish (as a fan of his) that he would do more of his own solo material in his shows than just Desert Moon. But I recognize that he is known to some as the person that wrote most of the hits for Styx. A casual fan that likes those songs won't know the name "Dennis DeYoung" but will know the name "Styx"--but the Styx that is touring now doesn't play most of the songs that Dennis performs! So as part of the lawsuit settlement he can tour as "The Music of Styx" to get some recognition for his material. And while I would perfer less Styx material in his shows, I can tell that I am in the minority with that feeling at one of his shows.

Yes I am a follower--but also I do not have to agree with everything that he does. By the way, your "example" of critisizing what another person likes/dislikes is wrong: All you did was say why you don't like what Dennis does, which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's when you say "I think _______ is an a****** (or a "follower" in a derogatory manner) for thinking the way that they do" that you cross the line.

And if your change in your sig. line is directed at me than so be it. I have better things to do in my life than to put up with the "bully of the message board" and will get the heck out of here and return posting at friendlier sites.
Ron

[bugsymalone]

Dear MrRonboto --

Beware the Scarecrow. It has been posting in a troll-like manner for quite some time now.

One learns to ignore it, not reply to it, and it sometimes just goes away, back to the cornfield from whence it came.

Bugsy

[sadie65]

Dear MrRonboto --

Beware the Scarecrow. It has been posting in a troll-like manner for quite some time now.

One learns to ignore it, not reply to it, and it sometimes just goes away, back to the cornfield from whence it came.

Bugsy

Now see...this scarecrow has a brain. Evidence of a heart as of late....and his courage...depends on your point of view...

No seriously...I recommend taking the best forgetting the rest....

[Monker]

Beware the Scarecrow. It has been posting in a troll-like manner for quite some time now.

Yeah, I just love eating up all of the Billy Goats who trit-trot across my bridge.

Goat heads, goat heads
Rolly polly goat heads
Goat heads, goat heads
Eat them up, YUM!