FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH

[froy]

And whats a good song today Zan

I'm sorry - are we having a conversation now?

Don't be sorry we know about your problems.

Now go take a cold shower.[/color]

I'll be right in sweetie

Sorry - Dennis isn't here.

Wow Zan into threesomes
Kinky little !@$%^&

[Monker]

If I had known that 6 years later, I'd be asked for PROOF of these things from a one of my all-time fans on the melodic rock board, I would have sent 'em in with a wire pronto! You know how important my fans are to me and all.[/color][/b]

Well, the 'proof' is right here on this forum. It's froy. He's still following the same agenda that Dennis was back in 1999. Boycotts, petitions, and all.

[froy]

If I had known that 6 years later, I'd be asked for PROOF of these things from a one of my all-time fans on the melodic rock board, I would have sent 'em in with a wire pronto! You know how important my fans are to me and all.[/color][/b]

Well, the 'proof' is right here on this forum. It's froy. He's still following the same agenda that Dennis was back in 1999. Boycotts, petitions, and all.

And STYX has the same setlist and they suck more than they did 7 years ago
I guess some things never change,

[MsRobotto]

Hey, no problem, Derri. I always had to defend "Styx" growing up because THEY always got ragged on but never any individual in the group. My feelings about/for Dennis as a person just aren't very favorable. I don't care who said what to who or who believes what that so-and-so said. I think actions speak louder than words, and DDY has never impressed me on any level as a person (altho, I did hear ONE cool story about him once, I admit). As far as "his" music goes, I like the old days before he went soft and his attempts at rock started to suck. Again, this is strictly MO. My opinions about this band vs. DDY and that whole fiasco are that sometimes people have to lie in the beds they make, sucky as it may be - I do not and will not believe that JY and Tommy are so evil that they just decided to be greedy and "steal" the band from Dennis - that isn't the reality that I live in, it just isn't. I believe there were legitimate reasons for what they did, and that it's a lot harder to live in a situation than to stand on the sidelines and say "they shouldn't do that." As an artist, Dennis DeYoung is exceptional - particularly as a singer, and I will defend Styx music probably 'til the day I die. But him - no thanks. I don't care how many people he recruits.

Now that THAT'S off my chest, I'll say this: Any person who gets so worked up (rabid) over a frickin' rock band has serious mental/emotional issues and should be institutionalized. Argue, get irritated, pissed, whatever you want, but when you take it to a personal level like some of these freaks did, you're a sick puppy. And to tell you the truth, Derri, after awhile (and SO many "problems" with various "fans"), I stopped keeping track of who was a nutjob and who wasn't. When I would start to see phrases like "Dennis wrote 8 out of 10 of their top ten hits..." and "Shaw put the money up his nose," a little red flag would pop up for me, and they'd automatically be written off as a wack. So for that, I apologize, but it took me a long time to get to that point, and from I heard back in the day from friends and acquaintences that spoke to him, Dennis and his camp were encouraging people to get up in arms about the situation - and some people took it to the extreme - I don't hold him responsible, but he's not blameless in my eyes either.

That said, I'm TOLD that Dennis is no longer that person. If that's true, I think it's great. But I have my reservations, and given that a couple people here have gone backstage recently and come back more up in arms then usual, I'm that much more doubtful. Again, my opinion. I'm sure some disagree with it, and that's ok too. lol

You've made some pretty serious accusations in this post. I certainly would like to see PROOF of what you say.

Well at least I can take comfort in the knowledge that some things will never change. *lol*

It's difficult to prove somebody said something to you 4 or 5 years ago, but there were many and varied interviews during the course of which DDY suggested people boycot the band's shows, and took shots at the band and the album. After each and every one of them the arguments would heat up again. Heck, a certain Canadian (Montreal to be precise) article comes to mind... the one which starts out with the writer telling us that he got a phone call that morning asking him "Do you know who this is?" Of course the call continued with the callers rendition of "Babe" to prove he was who he claimed to be. Priceless.

And didn't this round start with "I went backstage to chat with DDY and..." Coincidence? I think not.

I'm sure various people still have those original printed articles, and anyone with a good archive of the StyxList can give you the email run-down, as most of them were posted there in full and debated ad nauseum. Heck, somewhere at my old job is a computer with all of them on the hard drive. Sadly I stopped working there 5 years ago. Who woulda thunk I'd need all that shit all these years later? Isn't it time to let it go?

~Vicki
"And I realized at that moment, that with Tommy happily in Damn Yankees, if we were ever going to do it we should do it"
- DDY, MelodicRock.com, February 2000.

[DeeJaySTYX]

Again, I like both lineups but the last time other than the medley, the Styx show had me bored to tears. It's basically the same show I've seen sans one or two songs since 1999. I've found DDY to change some of his set more. If you've read some of my reviews, that's been my criticism of this Styx lineup. With DDY out of the band, where's "Midnight Ride"? Where is "Best Thing" (which JY can sing if he wants)? This is why I've been more entertained at Journey shows sometimes than Styx shows (current controversy out of the picture). They have pulled out deeper album cuts even in 90 minute sets. The last tour where they did the whole hour of the early stuff kicked ass - I like pre-Perry Journey. I'm not saying Styx needs to pump out a set of Wooden Nickel material, and their voices are not shot, so why just do medley? Do some full songs, make us die hards come out and want to see you. This is the main reason I can go years inbetween seeing them now. Even the possibility of new songs which used to draw me out no longer does. They've got to bring more to the table. In the original 3 hour Evening With ... format, about as obscure as you got was "Half-Penny, Two Penny". Wow. Bowl me over. They were good shows, I always walked away dissapointed at the lost potential.

I'd agree that "Show Me The Way" a capella is painful. I've never liked it from moment one I heard it. It's much better with music, and I was hoping at the Glen shows the music would finally come back. It didn't. At the two NJ shows he did nothing from Hunchback - I think the loss of Dawn Marie cemented that, or it's relegated to orchestral shows. It's been about two or three years since I've seen one. A current DDY show reminds me more of a classic Styx show. A current Styx show has some of that element, but is more of a standard rock show.

Now, I don't enjoy Gowan doing "Lady" or "Come Sail Away" - I just don't like his voice on them. He's better on "Grand Illusion". I would prefer it if they kept songs like "A Criminal Mind" in or the stuff he did on Cyclorama more. What he brings to the band isn't bad when he doesn't have to sing DDY songs IMO. He's not the same vocalist, but it's also why I applaud them again for going that route and not a soundalike.

DDY's voice has gotten less and less affected over the years the more he does the rock thing. The vibrato thing is much closer to where it was, say, in 1991.

Good post Allan...This is almost how I see it too...I also believe what I know now that I didn't know then does change my viewpoint towards the individual members...

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Hey DeeJay!!! Long time no see!

Are you going to meet us in Chicago on July 9th for the Dennis show????


Vicki, I have most of the old articles, I posted a few on here.

I think we should pull up old threads from 2004 and it's the same dialog, round and round we go, wheeeeeeeeeee !


I'm so lucky, I get to see Current line up of Styx with Tommy on July 7th and Dennis & Glen on July 9th.

[Zan]

HeyI'm so lucky, I get to see Current line up of Styx with Tommy on July 7th and Dennis & Glen on July 9th.

Now that's the first thing I've read in this thread that's pissed me off.

Welcome, Vicki/msrobotto Esq.!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Just trying to stay positive Zan !!

I love Tommy's songs, I really miss him and his harmonies. I love the people that are going to the Milwaukee show, they're fun to be with. And of course I love Dennis and Glen too, I hope the weather will cooperate for both shows.

After reading that goofy Journey board, I just want to stay positive.

I'm so happy for those that met the members past and present of Styx, a great band that touched many of our lives on here!

Cheers to all the Styx fans on here!!!

[StyxCollector]

Good post Allan...This is almost how I see it too...I also believe what I know now that I didn't know then does change my viewpoint towards the individual members...

Thanks. Well, I've seen behind the man in the mirror and it ain't pretty. Someone once said you should never meet your heroes. JY, Tommy, DDY, Chuck, Gowan, Todd, Ricky, and Glen (did I forget anyone at 2 AM? lol) are human just like you and me. Fans need to stop putting them up on a pedistal, and just enjoy the music. It's that simple.

EDIT: I don't mean to imply the guys in Styx are my heroes. Heroes can be substituted for people you admire, etc. I think growing up you have an idea of who you think these people are, and then you meet them for real. I'm not talking in the 5 minute meet-n-greet either. Most of my interactions with Styx members have been positive, but there have been the odd negative moments.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Allan, I think it's time that you go to bed!!! It's almost 1:30am here!! LOL

I loved meeting my heroes, but that's just me. When I see any of them now, it's just like they're normal people. The first time was the hardest for me back in 1990, now I'm pretty relaxed and talk to them normal, well someone normal coming out of me - LOL

[froy]

I'm so lucky, I get to see Current line up of Styx with Tommy on July 7th

Why are you lucky ?
Gowan is singing Lady and Come sail away thats barf bag material.
Once again not a STYX fan a Tommy Shaw fan.

[yogi]

I started this 'assembly line. If you read my last sentence it reads 'enjoy it while you can'.

I will NEVER tell anyone who to listen to, who to boycott, what CD's to purchase, etc...

What I find funny is how psycho some of us become in regards to Styx.

I realize 100% that JY has been on EVERY Styx album and at EVERY Styx concert. That is an INCREDIBLE accomplishment. I tip my hat to JY for that.

I like JY as I like EVERY member that has worn the 'Styx uniform'. Hell, I like Gowan. I am one of the few that think he can sing, he is an excellent live performer and I even like his renditions of DDY songs including Conme Sail Away. With that said, I believe talent like JY's, Gowans, Ricky, and Chuck are a dime a dozen. There are thousands of vocalists, guitarists, Keyboardists & writers as good or better than they are.

Dennis , Tommy & Glen are the ones whose talent are NOT a dime a dozen. I realize that Glen has had very limited success. He may be the unluckiest musician around, because his talent in my opinion is legendary. He is the best musician that no one has heard of. Hell, if it wasnt for Tommy and the Damn Yankees I probably would of never heard of him. So why is he not a superstar???? I havent a clue. All I know is that the guy can sing, write, perform live, and play. Was he a valued member in Styx. Probably not. Still,the guy has 10 times the talent and showmanship as JY does.

Like it or not, Dennis is the one who designed the 'Styx Uniforms', and got them in ' The Show'. Without Dennis Deyoung Styx NEVER makes it to 'The Show'. The other players just were NOT good enough to get em there. I for one hope he gets to wear that 'Styx Uniform' again. If not, so be it.

Finally, what I find really funny is how so many of you rip the other camp. Dennis is show is too soft, Styx's show features Dennis songs sung by a hack etc. Many of you sound like the critics that have ripped Styx from the beginning.

I have seen them both. The Styx show has soooo much DDY in it its funny. They just played with an orchestra. You are not seeing AC/DC when you are seeing Tommy, JY and the Boyz. As for DDY shows they have their slow moments, but they are Styx shows.

Bottom line: You have two Styx shows out there now. They are VERY similiar in nature. Enjoy Em While You Can!!!!!!

[Zan]

I started this 'assembly line. If you read my last sentence it reads 'enjoy it while you can'.

With all due respect, Yogi. Ending that post with "enjoy it while you can" is like saying someone has good breath for a dog.

I will NEVER tell anyone who to listen to, who to boycott, what CD's to purchase, etc...

Nor will I or have I. That doesn't stop some people from hating my point of view.

What I find funny is how psycho some of us become in regards to Styx.

I hope I don't fall into this catagory, but if I do, I'll only defend myself by saying that my biggest shortcoming is hitting the reply button in here. I really should know better.

With that said, I believe talent like JY's, Gowans, Ricky, and Chuck are a dime a dozen. There are thousands of vocalists, guitarists, Keyboardists & writers as good or better than they are.

You're joking, right? Oh wait - you're still in backstage mode. Never mind.

And you forgot to put "IMO."

Dennis , Tommy & Glen are the ones whose talent are NOT a dime a dozen. I realize that Glen has had very limited success. He may be the unluckiest musician around, because his talent in my opinion is legendary. He is the best musician that no one has heard of. Hell, if it wasnt for Tommy and the Damn Yankees I probably would of never heard of him. So why is he not a superstar???? I havent a clue. All I know is that the guy can sing, write, perform live, and play. Was he a valued member in Styx. Probably not. Still,the guy has 10 times the talent and showmanship as JY does.

Not two paragraphs later, Yogi writes:

Finally, what I find really funny is how so many of you rip the other camp. Dennis is show is too soft, Styx's show features Dennis songs sung by a hack etc. Many of you sound like the critics that have ripped Styx from the beginning.

Yes, it is really funny...

Like it or not, Dennis is the one who designed the 'Styx Uniforms', and got them in ' The Show'. Without Dennis Deyoung Styx NEVER makes it to 'The Show'. The other players just were NOT good enough to get em there. I for one hope he gets to wear that 'Styx Uniform' again. If not, so be it.

Are these 'UNIFORMS' and 'SHOWS' in 'THE ROOM,' by any chance?

I have seen them both. The Styx show has soooo much DDY in it its funny. They just played with an orchestra. You are not seeing AC/DC when you are seeing Tommy, JY and the Boyz. As for DDY shows they have their slow moments, but they are Styx shows.

For the fifth time (or more), Styx played with a Youth Orchestra at the request of the Youth Orchestra. Not the other way around. Liza Grossman arranged everything. It was about the "hyped up kids" more than it was about Styx. And just because a show has similar elements of someone, doesn't mean it's fate or anything.

DDY shows are definitely NOT Styx shows, IMO. Styx shows USED to be Dennis shows, however, until he was out of the picture.

Bottom line: You have two Styx shows out there now. They are VERY similiar in nature. Enjoy Em While You Can!!!!!!

That I'll (sort of) agree with. I felt the same way when DY and Styx were both touring. Lots of people disagreed with me back then too, I guess. lol

[shaka]

While I agree that Chuck is not a great bass player he did come up with good parts.

I think you're wrong stating there are thousands of bass players better than Ricky. The man is/was a very respected studio player on the LA scene. You don't get to that status if you're a hack. Covering Chucks parts really isn't a challenge for him.

JY is one of the better blues based shredder type guitarists from his era. I think he's underrated as well.

Eric

[froy]

Like it or not, Dennis is the one who designed the 'Styx Uniforms', and got them in ' The Show'. Without Dennis Deyoung Styx NEVER makes it to 'The Show'. The other players just were NOT good enough to get em there. I for one hope he gets to wear that 'Styx Uniform' again.

The Post of the month

[froy]

While I agree that Chuck is not a great bass player he did come up with good parts.

I think you're wrong stating there are thousands of bass players better than Ricky. The man is/was a very respected studio player on the LA scene. You don't get to that status if you're a hack. Covering Chucks parts really isn't a challenge for him.

JY is one of the better blues based shredder type guitarists from his era. I think he's underrated as well.

Eric

Im sorry but Yogi is right here there all fill in members period
JY can't even sing anymore his harmonies are awefull.

[styxfanNH]

Like it or not, Dennis is the one who designed the 'Styx Uniforms', and got them in ' The Show'. Without Dennis Deyoung Styx NEVER makes it to 'The Show'. The other players just were NOT good enough to get em there. I for one hope he gets to wear that 'Styx Uniform' again.

The Post of the month

Problem is that for the others the "uniforms" were more like straight jackets.

[shaka]

While I agree that Chuck is not a great bass player he did come up with good parts.

I think you're wrong stating there are thousands of bass players better than Ricky. The man is/was a very respected studio player on the LA scene. You don't get to that status if you're a hack. Covering Chucks parts really isn't a challenge for him.

JY is one of the better blues based shredder type guitarists from his era. I think he's underrated as well.

Eric

Im sorry but Yogi is right here there all fill in members period
JY can't even sing anymore his harmonies are awefull.

Thanks for addressing my points Froy.

Anyone with a rational brain want to address my comments?

Eric

[styxfanNH]

While I agree that Chuck is not a great bass player he did come up with good parts.

I think you're wrong stating there are thousands of bass players better than Ricky. The man is/was a very respected studio player on the LA scene. You don't get to that status if you're a hack. Covering Chucks parts really isn't a challenge for him.

JY is one of the better blues based shredder type guitarists from his era. I think he's underrated as well.

Eric

I agree with you on Chuck. He is a good bass player, not a great one. Chuck has said that he felt the role of the bass player was to be in the background and be more steady and tasteful than out in front. Chuck understood his role. Chuck also hasn't been an up front singer even on backing vocals. He has always seemed to me to be comfortable in the background of the band. (how much of this had to deal with his sexuality we'll never know). He is actually much more active on stage now than I can ever remember him being at the hey day of the band.

Ricky on the other hand has great credentials and a resume that is huge. He is by far one of the premiere bass players of his time. The fact that he spent so much time off the road is to bad. He has adapted Chucks parts within context of how they were written while adding his personal touch to it. (When Styx is done, we will have the pleasure of hearing Sucherman/Phillips on an album and it wil rock our socks off) I hope on a new Styx album they let him do his thing.

JY is easily bashed because he is the president of the open mouth insert foot club. But I agree with you he is an excellent blues based shred guitar player that was always overshadowed by Dennis and Tommy. If for no other reason his limited lead vocal work. Also, many assumed Tommy did most of the leads, when in fact they were shared. Throughought a single song, Tommy and JY each have lead parts that to some is hard to distinguish when listening on a record. JY refers to who is doing solos as: Tommy's solos usually involve picking and bending strings and mine use the whammy bar.

But the strength of Styx has always been the band together was stronger than the individual members and the tastefulness and balance of each instrument within the context of the song.

[DeeJaySTYX]

Hey DeeJay!!! Long time no see!

Are you going to meet us in Chicago on July 9th for the Dennis show????

No, I'm afraid not...I have other plans during that weekend...I wish I could go....


I see things in this forum haven't changed much, Entertaining as always ...

[stmonkeys]

i see the empress has made it over here to add a voice of reason... should that be voxoree.... uh, you know what i mean.

!!!! hey chickie!!!!!

:::bowing to HRH::::::

[MsRobotto]

Thanks for the warm welcomes! (And the HOT Avatars... you know which ones I mean!!)

BTW: I SWEAR I will get to uploading the PNC pictures some day. And maybe even some day soon!! I just need a few more hours in the day to do it. Of course, if there were a few more hours in the day I'd probably have to spend them at work. :::grumble grumble:::

~Vicki

[Zan]

And the HOT Avatars...

Why, whatever do you mean?

[Zan]

Thanks for the warm welcomes! (And the HOT Avatars... you know which ones I mean!!)

BTW: I SWEAR I will get to uploading the PNC pictures some day. And maybe even some day soon!! I just need a few more hours in the day to do it. Of course, if there were a few more hours in the day I'd probably have to spend them at work. :::grumble grumble:::

~Vicki

Vicki, if you email me the folder/files, maybe I can upload them to imagestation or something for you. Obviously, I have more time to waste than you do. lol