Lost , and the conversation may never be back on track......

[Abitaman]

Just got my computer back this week, motherboard problems. Running as good as ever. but while I ahve been putting programs back on I noticed I had lost the cds or did not backed up all My Zepplin and All my Robert Plant cds., Toto, and Def Leppard. Already worked out a trade on the Zepplins official releases and boots and some Plant boots, plus for all the Toto. But still looking for all the Plant official releases I lost and all the Def Leppard official and boots I had.
Anyone that is willing to help out, send me your list of what you have and I will email you back a list of what I have of all my cds, so maybe we can work out a trade.
Thanks for any help I get-ERIC

Email me at abitaman205@yahoo.com and I'll send a list of what I am missing and what cds and dvds I have for trade.


I did not put this in the trade section because I don't know many of the people their, but posted here in the Styx and Journey since I have traded with yall.

[gr8dane]

After your bit of preaching the other day about gays ,drugs and sex being sins,I'm surprised to see you ask for copies of cd's.
Now ,I have not had a bible in my hands for 40 years or so,since I am extremely allergic to anything religious.
I do remember a couple of the 10 commandments,and I believe there was one about stealing.Making copies of cd's is stealing.
I am sure you just forgot and I thought I would remind you.
Please disregard this mail and accept my apology ,if I remembered wrong.

[Abitaman]

After your bit of preaching the other day about gays ,drugs and sex being sins,I'm surprised to see you ask for copies of cd's.
Now ,I have not had a bible in my hands for 40 years or so,since I am extremely allergic to anything religious.
I do remember a couple of the 10 commandments,and I believe there was one about stealing.Making copies of cd's is stealing.
I am sure you just forgot and I thought I would remind you.
Please disregard this mail and accept my apology ,if I remembered wrong.

You remember quite well. And if I hadn't already bought these and owned these I wouldn't have asked for them since mine are gone. So did I do wrong when I saw on the Internet a man in that I use to live close to (but never knew) lose his cd collection in Hurricane Katrina, then I made him copies of a lot of what I had that he had? I replaced what he had (not all) with copies of mine, till he could get back on his feet again.

And for your information, I never said all sex and drugs were sins, prescription and marriage , and for Gays their act is a sin, not them. So get the story straight. And if you want to continue this, keep it to the thread it was started in, and I would be glad to carry on the conversation, or you can email me or pm me.

And if you consider what I am doing is a sin, then pray for me, ( we can all use prayer) but if you don't believe in God / Jesus then your prayers are just hitting the ceiling, but then again that wouldn't matter to you anyway.-ERIC

[NealIsGod]

Come on, Abitaman is a quality person. Doesn't deserve the crap he's getting about stating his beliefs.

[styxfanNH]

After your bit of preaching the other day about gays ,drugs and sex being sins,I'm surprised to see you ask for copies of cd's.
Now ,I have not had a bible in my hands for 40 years or so,since I am extremely allergic to anything religious.
I do remember a couple of the 10 commandments,and I believe there was one about stealing.Making copies of cd's is stealing.
I am sure you just forgot and I thought I would remind you.
Please disregard this mail and accept my apology ,if I remembered wrong.

This is just totally ridiculous. There was no sermon. He stated his beliefs based on his faith. I may not personally agree with has position, but will never fault him for his religious faith and the role it has on his life. It really odd that you decide that religion has no role in your life, but you are the first to throw it's doctrines in others faces. Most people call that hipocracy. I'll use a couple of other words - ignorance and intollerance.

[gr8dane]

Come on, Abitaman is a quality person. Doesn't deserve the crap he's getting about stating his beliefs.

I agree,Eric is a quality person.But what does religious beliefs have to do with Styx or the Styx page here.?

[gr8dane]

After your bit of preaching the other day about gays ,drugs and sex being sins,I'm surprised to see you ask for copies of cd's.
Now ,I have not had a bible in my hands for 40 years or so,since I am extremely allergic to anything religious.
I do remember a couple of the 10 commandments,and I believe there was one about stealing.Making copies of cd's is stealing.
I am sure you just forgot and I thought I would remind you.
Please disregard this mail and accept my apology ,if I remembered wrong.

This is just totally ridiculous. There was no sermon. He stated his beliefs based on his faith. I may not personally agree with has position, but will never fault him for his religious faith and the role it has on his life. It really odd that you decide that religion has no role in your life, but you are the first to throw it's doctrines in others faces. Most people call that hipocracy. I'll use a couple of other words - ignorance and intollerance.

Styxfan.Hipocracy,ignorant and intollerant is how I see religion.I saw it as a sermon.This is a Styx forum.Cheers.

[gr8dane]

Eric.
I don't know if I owe you an apology, but I will give you one anyways.
I am sorry.
But please please please leave religion off here.I respect your religious beliefs,I just don't want to hear about them.
If you can accept that,I will keep my bile at bay.
This is a Styx page after all.Do I repeat myself??
All the best.
Michael

[Abitaman]

After your bit of preaching the other day about gays ,drugs and sex being sins,I'm surprised to see you ask for copies of cd's.
Now ,I have not had a bible in my hands for 40 years or so,since I am extremely allergic to anything religious.
I do remember a couple of the 10 commandments,and I believe there was one about stealing.Making copies of cd's is stealing.
I am sure you just forgot and I thought I would remind you.
Please disregard this mail and accept my apology ,if I remembered wrong.

This is just totally ridiculous. There was no sermon. He stated his beliefs based on his faith. I may not personally agree with has position, but will never fault him for his religious faith and the role it has on his life. It really odd that you decide that religion has no role in your life, but you are the first to throw it's doctrines in others faces. Most people call that hipocracy. I'll use a couple of other words - ignorance and intollerance.

Styxfan.Hipocracy,ignorant and intollerant is how I see religion.I saw it as a sermon.This is a Styx forum.Cheers.

And to be honest, a lot of people in religion are that way...but not all. And one should not judge God on how people religious or not act. (Sermon done ). I hold no ill will toward you for stating your views, as long as it not dragging me or anyone else thru the mud. As far as the "this is a Styx" board, yes it is, that is why I was wanting to keep all comments on the other thread for that reason-ERIC

[gr8dane]

Eric.
I don't know if I owe you an apology, but I will give you one anyways.
I am sorry.
But please please please leave religion off here.I respect your religious beliefs,I just don't want to hear about them.
If you can accept that,I will keep my bile at bay.
This is a Styx page after all.Do I repeat myself??
All the best.
Michael

Forgot to say,that Dr.Phil gets me going too.

[Zan]

and for Gays their act is a sin, not them. So get the story straight.

No pun intended, natch. I think it's perfectly clear: It's OK to BE gay, as long as you deprive yourself of the any of the same physical privileges heterosexuals get to have because heterosexual marriage is legal and gay marriage is not - because our politicians say so. Got it? Glad we cleared that up.

but if you don't believe in God / Jesus then your prayers are just hitting the ceiling

Says who?

(Sorry to keep harping, but you just bring it out in me. lol)

[Abitaman]

and for Gays their act is a sin, not them. So get the story straight.

No pun intended, natch. I think it's perfectly clear: It's OK to BE gay, as long as you deprive yourself of the any of the same physical privileges heterosexuals get to have because heterosexual marriage is legal and gay marriage is not - because our politicians say so. Got it? Glad we cleared that up.

but if you don't believe in God / Jesus then your prayers are just hitting the ceiling

Says who?

(Sorry to keep harping, but you just bring it out in me. lol)

If your harping all the time, you must play in the choir somewhere -ERIC

[Abitaman]

and for Gays their act is a sin, not them. So get the story straight.

No pun intended, natch. I think it's perfectly clear: It's OK to BE gay, as long as you deprive yourself of the any of the same physical privileges heterosexuals get to have because heterosexual marriage is legal and gay marriage is not - because our politicians say so. Got it? Glad we cleared that up.

Not politicians, the bible........

[Abitaman]

but if you don't believe in God / Jesus then your prayers are just hitting the ceiling

Says who?

(Sorry to keep harping, but you just bring it out in me. lol)

If you don't belive, then who you praying to? (the ceiling)

[Zan]

but if you don't believe in God / Jesus then your prayers are just hitting the ceiling

Says who?

(Sorry to keep harping, but you just bring it out in me. lol)

If you don't belive, then who you praying to? (the ceiling)

No, according to you, if you don't believe in CHRIST, you're praying to the ceiling. That was what you said, not a general "belief." And what's more, who says they go unheard? Does your God pick and choose who to listen based on whether or not they believe? I thought Christianity was about forgiveness and unconditional love. Is that NOT actually the case? hence, my "says who?"

Not politcians, the bible.

Hmmm. There are 53 or more rules in the Bible for heterosexuals, and only 9 or so for gays. Does that mean they just require less supervision? *g*

If you are not married in a CHURCH, are you actually married? Is the sex you're having with your spouse from City Hall or on the beach a sin, or just less of a sin than that of a homosexual who has participated in a formal union?

I don't buy this mentality that because someone is gay, they should keep who and what they are to his or her self and never be allowed to express love the way straights are. I think it's a cheap cop-out to say "there's nothing wrong with YOU, just everything you WANT & DESIRE is wrong - so live a life void of happiness, and you'll be fine."

Of course, that's fine for those who don't have to deprive themselves of anything.

[Abitaman]

but if you don't believe in God / Jesus then your prayers are just hitting the ceiling

Says who?

(Sorry to keep harping, but you just bring it out in me. lol)

If you don't believe, then who you praying to? (the ceiling)

No, according to you, if you don't believe in CHRIST, you're praying to the ceiling. That was what you said, not a general "belief." And what's more, who says they go unheard? Does your God pick and choose who to listen based on whether or not they believe? I thought Christianity was about forgiveness and unconditional love. Is that NOT actually the case? hence, my "says who?"

ZAn, your getting way to bent out of shape, the comment about the ceiling is a joke. That is what I hate about typing instead of talking to a person. Notice the afterwards. But yes if you want to get serious an carry on this conversation, my belief is YES, if you do not believe in God/Jesus your prayers are hitting the ceiling. But my point was if someone doesn't belive then who are they praying to? is it just empty words? are they HOPING something is there? Are they putting on a show? Would they even pray if they don't believe. that is what I was JOKING around about-ERIC

[Abitaman]

Hmmm. There are 53 or more rules in the Bible for heterosexuals, and only 9 or so for gays. Does that mean they just require less supervision? *g*
.

What do you think?-ERIC

[Abitaman]

If you are not married in a CHURCH, are you actually married? Is the sex you're having with your spouse from City Hall or on the beach a sin, or just less of a sin than that of a homosexual who has participated in a formal union?

.[/color][/b]

Beach was good in Biloxi, for sex and marriage, and a lot of other things.
To me homosexuality is wrong!
Sex outside the marriage is wrong too, before you bring that up.
HAve I sinned in my life, yes I have, still do, I try not to. Things happen sometimes. But to keep doing something over and over and over I would have to wonder if someone knows Christ as their saviour. I would never question a person if they said they were saved. It is not job, and that is not what I am doing with the gay thing. I said I thing it is wrong. That is my opinion.-ERIC

[Abitaman]

I don't buy this mentality that because someone is gay, they should keep who and what they are to his or her self and never be allowed to express love the way straights are. I think it's a cheap cop-out to say "there's nothing wrong with YOU, just everything you WANT & DESIRE is wrong - so live a life void of happiness, and you'll be fine."

Of course, that's fine for those who don't have to deprive themselves of anything.[/color][/b]

I didn't say they couldn't live their life the way they wanted to, I said I would not support someone who did. Like I said before, I friend of mine was gay (well bisexual), he was in my wedding, as one of the best men or what ever they are called. We were friends for over 15 years. He knew how I thought, but I didn't hold it against him, and he didn't hold against me. and sure Didn't throw it up in his face. Zan we all deprive ourselves of something, for the most part.

To me it is a sin, to you not. Two points of view, I'm not trying to change your view, your not going to change mine, so let us chill out-ERIC

[Zan]

the comment about the ceiling is a joke. That is what I hate about typing instead of talking to a person. Notice the afterwards. But yes if you want to get serious an carry on this conversation, my belief is YES, if you do not believe in God/Jesus your prayers are hitting the ceiling.

Then it wasn't a joke. ":-D"

[Zan]

Beach was good in Biloxi, for sex and marriage, and a lot of other things.

If you (you, the general term, not you specifically) are not married in a church of God, you are not married in the eyes of the Lord. Therefore, if you are having sex with a wife you took somewhere other than a house of worship, you are just as much in sin as someone who is having premarital sex (or gay sex).

[Zan]

Zan we all deprive ourselves of something, for the most part.

Such as?

[styxfanNH]

Can someone lock this thread pleeez

[Abitaman]

Beach was good in Biloxi, for sex and marriage, and a lot of other things.

If you (you, the general term, not you specifically) are not married in a church of God, you are not married in the eyes of the Lord. Therefore, if you are having sex with a wife you took somewhere other than a house of worship, you are just as much in sin as someone who is having premarital sex (or gay sex).

Have to admit never heard that before, about city hall, etc....

[Abitaman]

Zan we all deprive ourselves of something, for the most part.

Such as?

I really don't want to open up another can of worms with this, so I'll this way instead, I use to get high, alot! I still wish I did at times, but that is not a good testimony for me by what I do and the way I act when I am that way, whether at home or wherever.
Lot of pretty women out there, who is not tempted, but being married it wouldn't be right-ERIC

[Abitaman]

the comment about the ceiling is a joke. That is what I hate about typing instead of talking to a person. Notice the afterwards. But yes if you want to get serious an carry on this conversation, my belief is YES, if you do not believe in God/Jesus your prayers are hitting the ceiling.

Then it wasn't a joke. ":-D"

Yes it was, yes it was, yes it was!!!!

[Abitaman]

And again Zan, if you don't see my way, fine, I do not hold it against you. I said earlier I have my opinion and you yours. If you want to keep talking about his PM me, I really don't mind talking about it. But some may look at it as us both being Left or Right wing, which I don't either of us are, just two different outlooks.-ERIC

[Zan]

Can someone lock this thread pleeez

There is no abuse, name-calling, profanity, etc. If you're unhappy with the content, skip the thread. Eric & I are capable of having a discussion without the divine intervention, thank you.

[Zan]

Have to admit never heard that before, about city hall, etc....

It's simple (perhaps not obvious to some, but simple enough): We were discussing politics vs. ...biblics, if you will. If you aren't married in a church or by the Church, you are only married legally, which has nothing to do with a holy matrimony and everything to do with legal matrimony. It has nothing to do with the BIBLE and everything to do with the laws of our country (Did you know that if you marry and divorce through the state that you can remarry in the Catholic church because they never considered you married before?). Because it illegal for gays to marry, to you and many others, any sex they may have is a "sin," since it is outside of "marriage," even though "God" had nothing to do with many of these "marriages" in the first place.

As far as depriving yourself of pleasures (drugs, adultery, beating the snot out of some a$$hole on the road who desperately needs it), imagine if you were expected not only to not have sex with women you find attractive outside your own marriage, but WITHIN your marriage as well - because that type of affection is "wrong." Wanting to do it is ok, as long as you NEVER, EVER act on it. Good luck with that.

Also, taking drugs is not technically a "sin." It's only illegal, so knock yourself out! lol

[Abitaman]

Have to admit never heard that before, about city hall, etc....

It's simple (perhaps not obvious to some, but simple enough): We were discussing politics vs. ...biblics, if you will. If you aren't married in a church or by the Church, you are only married legally, which has nothing to do with a holy matrimony and everything to do with legal matrimony. It has nothing to do with the BIBLE and everything to do with the laws of our country (Did you know that if you marry and divorce through the state that you can remarry in the Catholic church because they never considered you married before?). Because it illegal for gays to marry, to you and many others, any sex they may have is a "sin," since it is outside of "marriage," even though "God" had nothing to do with many of these "marriages" in the first place.

As far as depriving yourself of pleasures (drugs, adultery, beating the snot out of some a$$hole on the road who desperately needs it), imagine if you were expected not only to not have sex with women you find attractive outside your own marriage, but WITHIN your marriage as well - because that type of affection is "wrong." Wanting to do it is ok, as long as you NEVER, EVER act on it. Good luck with that.

Also, taking drugs is not technically a "sin." It's only illegal, so knock yourself out! lol

Ok, I understand what you are saying,
The bible does say to follow the leaders and the law of the land. So if you break a law you are sinning.
That is why a lot of people do not want Gay marriages approved. It goes against the God's word, and makes a sin legal, in man's eyes.
It also says drinking is not a sin unless ones abuses it, but drugs is against the law. (which I am thankful for, because the pot I smoked years ago really took away any ambition I had, hence the going to college (at 40) to do what I have always wanted to). Which could be bad if I made it before everything in my life.
Adultery is not just having sex with a woman (or man in your case), but lusting after someone you see as is a sin.

I probably sin somewhere everyday, but I know I sin and what it is (for the most part), and I try not to do it again. Some days are better than other. I don't beat myself up in life or not have fun. I tell jokes (clean), I'll play around and put people down (Clean), might have a drink here or there (but I tend to stay away from it since I am a cheap drunk), watch movies, listen to music, etc...
-ERIC