Bobby solo - Africa LIVE

[DracIsBack]

Steve L should hunt him down and run him over with a fuckin Jeep. Fuck, I can sing better than that hammered.

Let's hear it!



I don't like the performance either, but when you throw down a boast like that ....

[WalrusOct9]

I know this is going to make me a lot of enemies, but I really don't see how anyone could fault Bobby for what he's doing.. Luke decided to end the band, and that's fine as far as he's concerned, but if Bobby wants to continue making a living performing these songs, why shouldn't he be able to? If he was touring as Toto, it'd be one thing, but to promote the whole thing as "Bobby Kimball: Performing The Greatest Hits Of Toto"(or whatever it is), I just don't see anything wrong with that..

He was a key element to the group, whether he had much of a hand in composing or not; he's still the most memorable vocalist they ever had, and this was proven with the decline in popularity upon "Isolation" and his departure. He has as much right to do these songs as Luke has to do them in his solo shows. Hell, Paich wrote most of their hits anyway, not Luke, and if I'm not mistaken, didn't Bobby actually have a hand in writing some songs? I have no idea to what extent, and I'm pretty sure he didn't contribute to any of the big hits, but for someone to make as much of a contribution as he has to the band over the years, I'm sorry, but he has the right to continue to perform these songs till they have to wheel him off the stage, if that's what he wants.

Also, as some others have pointed out, this was a morning show, and we don't know that his regular gigs really look anything like this. I am willing to admit this particular performance was pretty lame, but I'm also willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and even if every performance is as cheesy, he has the right to do it, as long as he's not calling himself "Toto".

I don't think anyone's faulting Bobby for going out and making a living. Hell, it'd still be more 'authentic' than what the drummer for the Guess Who is doing to ruin his band's name. I think it's the way he's going about it that's started an internet shitstorm. I still believe something could have been worked out had he just reached out to Dave and Luke, saying "I need to do this to make a living" and figuring out a way to go about it that would work for both Bobby and the band's legacy.

[Ehwmatt]

I wonder what the legal status of the name Toto is. That's the issue with The Guess Who+Bachman/Cummings and Birtles/Shorrock/Goeble+Little River Band.

[WalrusOct9]

I doubt any one person owns the rights to the name, it's probably some agreement made at some point between whoever was in the band at the time, but I'm sure most of the ownership rests with Paich, Mike P, and Luke.

[Joe Vana]

I know this is going to make me a lot of enemies, but I really don't see how anyone could fault Bobby for what he's doing.. Luke decided to end the band, and that's fine as far as he's concerned, but if Bobby wants to continue making a living performing these songs, why shouldn't he be able to? If he was touring as Toto, it'd be one thing, but to promote the whole thing as "Bobby Kimball: Performing The Greatest Hits Of Toto"(or whatever it is), I just don't see anything wrong with that..

He was a key element to the group, whether he had much of a hand in composing or not; he's still the most memorable vocalist they ever had, and this was proven with the decline in popularity upon "Isolation" and his departure. He has as much right to do these songs as Luke has to do them in his solo shows. Hell, Paich wrote most of their hits anyway, not Luke, and if I'm not mistaken, didn't Bobby actually have a hand in writing some songs? I have no idea to what extent, and I'm pretty sure he didn't contribute to any of the big hits, but for someone to make as much of a contribution as he has to the band over the years, I'm sorry, but he has the right to continue to perform these songs till they have to wheel him off the stage, if that's what he wants.

Also, as some others have pointed out, this was a morning show, and we don't know that his regular gigs really look anything like this. I am willing to admit this particular performance was pretty lame, but I'm also willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and even if every performance is as cheesy, he has the right to do it, as long as he's not calling himself "Toto".

Hey Black....

Yes, he has a "right" to do those tunes....so do I....so do you.....and???

IF people are paying their hard earned cash to see TOTO and the curtains open and it's Bobby and some dudes up there that is a travesty to the Toto legend.....Man, just look at who has played in this band....Steve Lukather, David Paich, Jeff Porcaro, Steve Porcaro, David Hungate, Mike Porcaro...EVERY ONE is the GREATEST at his position....OR, the top five....and then they replaced some with Lee Sklar, Simon Phillips, Greg Philliganes.....again....Legends.....we are talking apples to onion rings.....IF BOBBY is allowing this that I cannot tell you the level of disappointment I have......

Luke only does maybe one Toto tune when he plays live....and if he does he sang and wrote the tune...As far as I am concerned BK can do ANY tune he sang on the recording or wrote....BUT....don't do tunes you did not write OR sang....might as well do Van Halen tunes then....

I have been a HUGE BK supporter over the years....I am just VERY disappointed with the past few months....it is actually worse that what went down in the early 90's....Make a living....go out and play every night.....end every show with Hold The Line and whatever tunes he sang.....but don't do the ones you did not sing or write, that has always been a major thing with me....

And.....with the youtube era everybody sees everything....

And....do not use UNAUTHORIZED footage or recordings to promote your shows, show some respect to the "brothers" you worked with for 20 years in total....

And especially don't dis the guy who played EVERY date, was at ALL the sessions, played on EVERY recording....don't throw him under the bus......for many many reasons he does not deserve it....instead others on here bag the dude that made it all happen, and praise the dude that wasn't there for over half the career of the band....

And....the "voice" of Toto.....well that is JW, BK, SL, FF, SP, DP.....hell...even that goofy fuck JMB.....but no ONE guy is the voice....BUT, in order of tunes sang in their catalogue it would be.....SL, DP, BK, JW, FF, JMB, SP.......and that is the order I look at....

I am not here to slag BK...I am not here to promote the others....just trying to put the accurate facts out there....opinion is opinion....

BUT AGAIN.....I am VERY disappointed with what has gone on.....JV

[WalrusOct9]

I have been a HUGE BK supporter over the years....I am just VERY disappointed with the past few months....it is actually worse that what went down in the early 90's....Make a living....go out and play every night.....end every show with Hold The Line and whatever tunes he sang.....but don't do the ones you did not sing or write, that has always been a major thing with me....

Yeah...he kinda got screwed on the vocal things, didn't he? Too bad all that went down after Toto IV, I think he would've sang on a lot more "hits" on Isolation and The Seventh One if he'd been around for them.

[Brett]

I know this is going to make me a lot of enemies, but I really don't see how anyone could fault Bobby for what he's doing.. Luke decided to end the band, and that's fine as far as he's concerned, but if Bobby wants to continue making a living performing these songs, why shouldn't he be able to? If he was touring as Toto, it'd be one thing, but to promote the whole thing as "Bobby Kimball: Performing The Greatest Hits Of Toto"(or whatever it is), I just don't see anything wrong with that..

He was a key element to the group, whether he had much of a hand in composing or not; he's still the most memorable vocalist they ever had, and this was proven with the decline in popularity upon "Isolation" and his departure. He has as much right to do these songs as Luke has to do them in his solo shows. Hell, Paich wrote most of their hits anyway, not Luke, and if I'm not mistaken, didn't Bobby actually have a hand in writing some songs? I have no idea to what extent, and I'm pretty sure he didn't contribute to any of the big hits, but for someone to make as much of a contribution as he has to the band over the years, I'm sorry, but he has the right to continue to perform these songs till they have to wheel him off the stage, if that's what he wants.

Also, as some others have pointed out, this was a morning show, and we don't know that his regular gigs really look anything like this. I am willing to admit this particular performance was pretty lame, but I'm also willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and even if every performance is as cheesy, he has the right to do it, as long as he's not calling himself "Toto".

Hey Black....

Yes, he has a "right" to do those tunes....so do I....so do you.....and???

IF people are paying their hard earned cash to see TOTO and the curtains open and it's Bobby and some dudes up there that is a travesty to the Toto legend.....Man, just look at who has played in this band....Steve Lukather, David Paich, Jeff Porcaro, Steve Porcaro, David Hungate, Mike Porcaro...EVERY ONE is the GREATEST at his position....OR, the top five....and then they replaced some with Lee Sklar, Simon Phillips, Greg Philliganes.....again....Legends.....we are talking apples to onion rings.....IF BOBBY is allowing this that I cannot tell you the level of disappointment I have......

Luke only does maybe one Toto tune when he plays live....and if he does he sang and wrote the tune...As far as I am concerned BK can do ANY tune he sang on the recording or wrote....BUT....don't do tunes you did not write OR sang....might as well do Van Halen tunes then....

I have been a HUGE BK supporter over the years....I am just VERY disappointed with the past few months....it is actually worse that what went down in the early 90's....Make a living....go out and play every night.....end every show with Hold The Line and whatever tunes he sang.....but don't do the ones you did not sing or write, that has always been a major thing with me....

And.....with the youtube era everybody sees everything....

And....do not use UNAUTHORIZED footage or recordings to promote your shows, show some respect to the "brothers" you worked with for 20 years in total....

And especially don't dis the guy who played EVERY date, was at ALL the sessions, played on EVERY recording....don't throw him under the bus......for many many reasons he does not deserve it....instead others on here bag the dude that made it all happen, and praise the dude that wasn't there for over half the career of the band....

And....the "voice" of Toto.....well that is JW, BK, SL, FF, SP, DP.....hell...even that goofy fuck JMB.....but no ONE guy is the voice....BUT, in order of tunes sang in their catalogue it would be.....SL, DP, BK, JW, FF, JMB, SP.......and that is the order I look at....

I am not here to slag BK...I am not here to promote the others....just trying to put the accurate facts out there....opinion is opinion....

BUT AGAIN.....I am VERY disappointed with what has gone on.....JV

Hey Joe,

Side issue, but this is making we wonder what the status is of Bobby's involvement with Mecca 2???!

Um, and anyone who spent any money at all on Bobby's album with that rock orchestra thing knows he should go nowhere near anything that was originally sung by Luke...there's a case to be made RE the 'Isolation' songs, but with anything else I completely agree, if he sang on the originals, great, if not...leave them be please God!

[The_Noble_Cause]

IF people are paying their hard earned cash to see TOTO and the curtains open and it's Bobby and some dudes up there that is a travesty to the Toto legend.....

Nowhere in the Morning Show footage does it advertise TOTO.
As other "ass-lickers" on here have mentioned, the foreign TV ad could def. stand to be more clear.

I have been a HUGE BK supporter over the years....I am just VERY disappointed with the past few months....it is actually worse that what went down in the early 90's....

Are you seriously suggesting this somehow surpasses the level of fraud as touring under the name "Mr. Toteaux"?

And....do not use UNAUTHORIZED footage or recordings to promote your shows, show some respect to the "brothers" you worked with for 20 years in total....

You're speculating again...
Just as Schon is not intimately involved in the countless Journey ads that still use Perry's likeness and voice, what makes you so sure Bobby is sitting behind the post-production editing board?

And especially don't dis the guy who played EVERY date, was at ALL the sessions, played on EVERY recording....don't throw him under the bus......for many many reasons he does not deserve it....

Among other things, Luke's online broadside called Bobby an "internet junkie" and repeated some choice second-hand comments about his vocals.
Exactly who's dissing who again?
In fact, in many of his recent interviews overseas, Bobby is effusive about his former band members to the point of servile flattery.

...instead others on here bag the dude that made it all happen, and praise the dude that wasn't there for over half the career of the band....

Here we go again with the juvenile black vs. white, good vs. evil, "with us or against us" crap.
As the saying commonly goes, beware those who speak in absolutes.
Nobody bagged Luke, I just don't see why performing “I Won’t Hold You Back” should suddenly change my estimation of Bobby’s talent.
Tell ya' what, while you worry about which millionaire band members' honor you wage war over, I will continue to be a fan of Luke and Bobby.

...I am not here to slag BK...I am not here to promote the others....just trying to put the accurate facts out there....

Yeh, sure.
And Bill O'Reilly is really lookin out for me.

[Ehwmatt]

TNC, I haven't always agreed with you in the past, but you're making a lot of sense right now.

[JohnH]

I've seen in person and heard stories about Luke making a total fool of himself on stage in the past few years so he's not perfect either. I won't go into details, but who's fucking perfect in life?

John

[WalrusOct9]

I've seen in person and heard stories about Luke making a total fool of himself on stage in the past few years so he's not perfect either. I won't go into details, but who's fucking perfect in life?

John

His onstage comments and personality are...unique, but I've never seen him be anything less than amazing musically onstage. I'm not sure when he would have ever made a fool of himself onstage. He's said some things in questionable taste, but I actually kind of like that part of his persona...most classic rock bands put on safe, homogenized shows, and Luke just goes out and is his weird, slightly offensive self...it's refreshing, even if it isn't always in good taste. (it's also the one slightly spontaneous part of Toto shows, too, unfortunately)

[Joe Vana]

IF people are paying their hard earned cash to see TOTO and the curtains open and it's Bobby and some dudes up there that is a travesty to the Toto legend.....

Nowhere in the Morning Show footage does it advertise TOTO.
As other "ass-lickers" on here have mentioned, the foreign TV ad could def. stand to be more clear.

I have been a HUGE BK supporter over the years....I am just VERY disappointed with the past few months....it is actually worse that what went down in the early 90's....

Are you seriously suggesting this somehow surpasses the level of fraud as touring under the name "Mr. Toteaux"?

And....do not use UNAUTHORIZED footage or recordings to promote your shows, show some respect to the "brothers" you worked with for 20 years in total....

You're speculating again...
Just as Schon is not intimately involved in the countless Journey ads that still use Perry's likeness and voice, what makes you so sure Bobby is sitting behind the post-production editing board?

And especially don't dis the guy who played EVERY date, was at ALL the sessions, played on EVERY recording....don't throw him under the bus......for many many reasons he does not deserve it....

Among other things, Luke's online broadside called Bobby an "internet junkie" and repeated some choice second-hand comments about his vocals.
Exactly who's dissing who again?
In fact, in many of his recent interviews overseas, Bobby is effusive about his former band members to the point of servile flattery.

...instead others on here bag the dude that made it all happen, and praise the dude that wasn't there for over half the career of the band....

Here we go again with the juvenile black vs. white, good vs. evil, "with us or against us" crap.
As the saying commonly goes, beware those who speak in absolutes.
Nobody bagged Luke, I just don't see why performing “I Won’t Hold You Back” should suddenly change my estimation of Bobby’s talent.
Tell ya' what, while you worry about which millionaire band members' honor you wage war over, I will continue to be a fan of Luke and Bobby.

...I am not here to slag BK...I am not here to promote the others....just trying to put the accurate facts out there....

Yeh, sure.
And Bill O'Reilly is really lookin out for me.

Sometimes saying nothing is the best choice of action....JV

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sometimes saying nothing is the best choice of action....JV

Wise move.
When you’re pulling "facts" straight from the foul nether reaches of your incredibly elastic anus, that is the best course of action.

If Luke is perusing the forum, I’m sure the good-little-soldier boy act did not go unnoticed.

[Andrew]

I've seen in person and heard stories about Luke making a total fool of himself on stage in the past few years so he's not perfect either. I won't go into details, but who's fucking perfect in life?

John

Examples please. You can't just make statements like this and not back them up with any facts.

[Andrew]

Sometimes saying nothing is the best choice of action....JV

Wise move.
When you’re pulling "facts" straight from the foul nether reaches of your incredibly elastic anus, that is the best course of action.

If Luke is perusing the forum, I’m sure the good-little-soldier boy act did not go unnoticed.

Ease up TNC. Dear me.

[JohnH]

I've seen in person and heard stories about Luke making a total fool of himself on stage in the past few years so he's not perfect either. I won't go into details, but who's fucking perfect in life?

John

Examples please. You can't just make statements like this and not back them up with any facts.

Ok you asked for it:

http://www.creatchy.com/DG_pages/Carlos_tribute_03.html

Following a brief goof-around performance of The Champs' "Tequila" and a request for some hard liquor, Lukather launched into his discussion of the "Twelve Steps" program, which in this case all involved, how shall I phrase it, "back-door love." An increasingly-annoyed Garfield repeatedly asked him to introduce the Jeff Beck song they were supposed to play, but Lukather got cruder and more outrageous with every step until finally Garfield left his post at the keyboards and went over and took Lukather aside for a brief discussion. Without further anal antics, Lukather launched into Beck's "Brush With the Blues," at which time Garfield promptly left the stage due to some undisclosed problem he'd been alerted to during a discussion with one of his associates. The energy and vibe had gone through a dramatic change, and when Garfield finally returned long after the song had ended, it was pretty much anti-climactic.


I was there and saw this second set. I really don't want to get further into this or other examples. It was bad man.

John

[brandonx76]

I've seen in person and heard stories about Luke making a total fool of himself on stage in the past few years so he's not perfect either. I won't go into details, but who's fucking perfect in life?

John

Examples please. You can't just make statements like this and not back them up with any facts.

Ok you asked for it:

http://www.creatchy.com/DG_pages/Carlos_tribute_03.html

Following a brief goof-around performance of The Champs' "Tequila" and a request for some hard liquor, Lukather launched into his discussion of the "Twelve Steps" program, which in this case all involved, how shall I phrase it, "back-door love." An increasingly-annoyed Garfield repeatedly asked him to introduce the Jeff Beck song they were supposed to play, but Lukather got cruder and more outrageous with every step until finally Garfield left his post at the keyboards and went over and took Lukather aside for a brief discussion. Without further anal antics, Lukather launched into Beck's "Brush With the Blues," at which time Garfield promptly left the stage due to some undisclosed problem he'd been alerted to during a discussion with one of his associates. The energy and vibe had gone through a dramatic change, and when Garfield finally returned long after the song had ended, it was pretty much anti-climactic.


I was there and saw this second set. I really don't want to get further into this or other examples. It was bad man.

John

WTF are you talking about? I was there too - and, while Luke was being himself, none-of us know what the discussion between Luke and Garfield was about. As far as Garfield leaving for a minute, he was probably trying to find out how to get Moon Calhoon off the stage! (j/k)

I think that well written review you are quoting by Mr. O'Keefe, had some creative license. As for Luke's antics, I was laughing my ass off at the time, with someone else in the audience (I believe it was Bill Champlain) chided Luke about excessive drinking. Luke said it was '12 Steps to the bar mf'er, he didn't have to drive so he could have a 'taste'. This was a celebration for a fallen friend, (Carlos Vega) and I think it was all in good fun. It's not like this was out of character, the first time I ever saw Toto live during the 7th One Tour, Luke started off the show saying 'Good evening pussy eaters'

I think the lesson all around, is lighten up folks. Stop taking yourself so seriously, for the sake of being serious. Shut up and play!

Luke and the entire band played their asses off on that Jeff Beck tune btw.

[DracIsBack]

This one is a really tricky one.

Luke is one of my favorite all-time guitarists and a terrific showman. He's open and honest to fans in a way that few celebs are. At the same time, it sometimes gets him into trouble because he wears his "heart on his sleeve".

I think Bobby should indeed have the right to earn a living. I do agree that it's sometimes hard to control what gets promoted but an artist who is adament, definitely can by specifiying things in their contracts and sticking to their guns. At the end of the day, they are the client and there are agreements to be followed.

The area that I think makes this really sticky is that Toto has never really been a band where there's a star vocalist. Ala U2 and Bono, Freddy Mercury and Queen etc.

The band has always been about a tight group of musicians that play a range of music and have a range of styles. It's what has enabled them to survive the loss of Kimball, Williams, Paich, Byron etc.

The fanbase is not a bunch of teenies swooning to see the singer. Rather, the fanbase is there to see the musicians and the singer happens to sing the vocals on the well-played songs. That's why there are so many solos in Toto shows.

If Bobby shows up (intentionally or not) and is billed as "Toto" without the actual Toto musicians involved, I can see why Luke would be annoyed...

[St.George]

I think Bobby should indeed have the right to earn a living.

But he has not the right to piss over the band's legacy and their fans. That shows no dignity and no respect at all, neither for the band, nor the fans.

BOBBY YOU SUCK!!! BIG TIME!!!

[Andrew]

I've seen in person and heard stories about Luke making a total fool of himself on stage in the past few years so he's not perfect either. I won't go into details, but who's fucking perfect in life?

John

Examples please. You can't just make statements like this and not back them up with any facts.

Ok you asked for it:

http://www.creatchy.com/DG_pages/Carlos_tribute_03.html

Following a brief goof-around performance of The Champs' "Tequila" and a request for some hard liquor, Lukather launched into his discussion of the "Twelve Steps" program, which in this case all involved, how shall I phrase it, "back-door love." An increasingly-annoyed Garfield repeatedly asked him to introduce the Jeff Beck song they were supposed to play, but Lukather got cruder and more outrageous with every step until finally Garfield left his post at the keyboards and went over and took Lukather aside for a brief discussion. Without further anal antics, Lukather launched into Beck's "Brush With the Blues," at which time Garfield promptly left the stage due to some undisclosed problem he'd been alerted to during a discussion with one of his associates. The energy and vibe had gone through a dramatic change, and when Garfield finally returned long after the song had ended, it was pretty much anti-climactic.


I was there and saw this second set. I really don't want to get further into this or other examples. It was bad man.

John

That's it?

Hardly earth shattering revelations. Time to move on I think.

[Andrew]

This is going nowhere and not in anyone's interest to keep alive.