Dennis on Rockline

[froy]

[quo
Now, if years later, that same old BS starts up again ("I insist I produce this record"), I can certainly see why they would not "allow" him to produce the new album, EVEN IF it meant the sound would change because - you can be damn sure they weren't going to subject themselves to that kind of ass-rapery again. I can hear the "F -- him and his producer fees" remarks now...[/color][/b]

Funny thing
Dennis produces Kilroy it loses money and he is dumped.
On the other hand he produced everything before it that made them millions and he gets 0 credit
Thats Styx for ya
Ride the coat tails when the cash comes and shit on you the minuet you fail.

And hey, if you think their new material or producing abilities suck, I'm also willing to bet that don't really care about that either, as long as they're away from Denny.

Thus a crowd of 600 at the HOB show
Spite never wins Zan

And uh, I'll put some money on that bet about Tommy Shaw NOT being the mystery guest 3rd guitarist on the Burtnik/DeYoung gig in NYC. Any takers?[/color][/b]

[/quote]

Who cares Im there to see Dennis anyway

[yogi]

Styx didNT lose money on Kilroy.

They made 100's of 1,000's/ millions

The problem was in the eyes of MANY, at the time with their popularity, they could have made soooo much more.

[Jodes]

Yogi, then why did Styx get rushed into that Stadium tour of Kilroy?? It said right on BTM that the album and "theater" tour that DDY orchestrated was losing money left, right and center..

They needed bigger venues to make up for the money being lost.

[Jodes]

And Dennis played to about 600 people in Calgary last year.. the venue he played holds about 1500.. The year before he played in front of 3000 people.

I didn't make a big deal of it back then.. why are you making such a big deal about Styx doing 600 people Froy?

Oh right.. You're BFF can't do no wrong and Always sells out doesn't he?

[froy]

And Dennis played to about 600 people in Calgary last year.. the venue he played holds about 1500.. The year before he played in front of 3000 people.

I didn't make a big deal of it back then.. why are you making such a big deal about Styx doing 600 people Froy?

Oh right.. You're BFF can't do no wrong and Always sells out doesn't he?

Yea and he sold out 6 nights in Montreal
600 in Hollywood thats real bad
How did Dennis play to 3000 people when it was a 1500 seater?
We don't believe Gowan supporters Jodes and you are one of them

[chowhall]

We don't believe Gowan supporters Jodes and you are one of them

Don't ever think there are more than one person as deluded as you.

[yogi]

By the end of it all they were something like the 2nd or 3rd highest grossing tour for the year.

They had to play the stadium gigs and the huge tours to get there( actually headlining Texas Jam) and concerts like that lost them even more money. By lost they /I mean they didnt make what they really could have at the time.

They were soooo big in 83/84 they should have each made millionSS. Instead they only made 100's of 1000's. By losing money thats what was meant.

They should have easily been the #1 grossing tour that year.

[froy]

We don't believe Gowan supporters Jodes and you are one of them

Don't ever think there are more than one person as deluded as you.

Wow your grammer is worse than mine

[chowhall]

We don't believe Gowan supporters Jodes and you are one of them

Don't ever think there are more than one person as deluded as you.

Wow your grammer is worse than mine

Not Possible

[Toph]

I think Glen said something about both sides being wrong in certain respects. I think he also mentioned that nothing changed after DDY was booted out; it was just that TS was the one calling the shots.

Is that what he said?

Ya know, at times, these goofy threads are actually kinda fun.

It kills you that Glen B is with Dennis now... I think that in and of itself is fucking hilarious. Your favorite guy teaming up with the guy whose guts you hate.

[Toph]

And Dennis played to about 600 people in Calgary last year.. the venue he played holds about 1500.. The year before he played in front of 3000 people.

I didn't make a big deal of it back then.. why are you making such a big deal about Styx doing 600 people Froy?


Oh right.. You're BFF can't do no wrong and Always sells out doesn't he?

The difference there is that they are playing as STYX (the brand name) and he is playing as DDY. No one wants to see Styx. They all know now that the voice isn't with them anymore and if they still are willing to see them, they won't because they've had thousands of opportunities from the band who won't give it a rest - a band who thinks that somehow if they play every horsetrack and casino, that somehow they'll have a comeback....yeah right...

[froy]

- a band who thinks that somehow if they play every horsetrack and casino, that somehow they'll have a comeback....yeah right...

[/quote]

They do have a comeback
Every 3 months they come back and steal 60 bucks from whoever is left

[chowhall]

- a band who thinks that somehow if they play every horsetrack and casino, that somehow they'll have a comeback....yeah right...

They do have a comeback
Every 3 months they come back and steal 60 bucks from whoever is left[/quote]

And there are 6 more adds for this tour to take more of the money.

[Zan]

It kills you that Glen B is with Dennis now... I think that in and of itself is fucking hilarious..

There's the problem. You thinking. Nothing good can ever come of it.

[Bearded Clam]

How did you guys dig out this thread from 10 years ago? Oh wait....

[Jodes]

Because Froy, Dennis played a DIFFERENT VENUE in Calgary, since the venue he played the year before is no longer around.

Year before he played at the Cowboys "Tent" during the Calgary Stampede. That venue holds around 3000 people or so.
That was the last year for concerts there.

The following year he played at the Deerfoot Inn and Casino's venue, which holds around 1500 people. (Oh, thats where Rodger Hodgson also plays when he comes to Calgary too).

Is that clear enough for you?

[Jodes]

Oh and who's "we" Froy?

[KWH17]

I think Glen said something about both sides being wrong in certain respects. I think he also mentioned that nothing changed after DDY was booted out; it was just that TS was the one calling the shots.

Is that what he said?

Ya know, at times, these goofy threads are actually kinda fun.

I'm just going off of memory, but from his interview in Sterling's book, I'm sure that those two things came out of him.

Speaking of fun, this topic sure got off topic in a hurry!

[froy]

Because Froy, Dennis played a DIFFERENT VENUE in Calgary, since the venue he played the year before is no longer around.

Year before he played at the Cowboys "Tent" during the Calgary Stampede. That venue holds around 3000 people or so.
That was the last year for concerts there.

The following year he played at the Deerfoot Inn and Casino's venue, which holds around 1500 people. (Oh, thats where Rodger Hodgson also plays when he comes to Calgary too).

Is that clear enough for you?

You Canada people don't speak english to well

[froy]

Oh and who's "we" Froy?

Me and Zan
thats WE

[Rockwriter]

[quo
Now, if years later, that same old BS starts up again ("I insist I produce this record"), I can certainly see why they would not "allow" him to produce the new album, EVEN IF it meant the sound would change because - you can be damn sure they weren't going to subject themselves to that kind of ass-rapery again. I can hear the "F -- him and his producer fees" remarks now...[/color][/b]

Funny thing
Dennis produces Kilroy it loses money and he is dumped.
On the other hand he produced everything before it that made them millions and he gets 0 credit
Thats Styx for ya
Ride the coat tails when the cash comes and shit on you the minuet you fail.

And hey, if you think their new material or producing abilities suck, I'm also willing to bet that don't really care about that either, as long as they're away from Denny.

Thus a crowd of 600 at the HOB show
Spite never wins Zan

And uh, I'll put some money on that bet about Tommy Shaw NOT being the mystery guest 3rd guitarist on the Burtnik/DeYoung gig in NYC. Any takers?[/color][/b]

Who cares Im there to see Dennis anyway[/quote]


I ought to clarify one thing: KILROY did not actually lose money. When the guys say it "lost money", they are comparing it to the previous tour in support of PT, which is somewhat of an unfair comparison because that tour was the most profitable in history at that time. They are basically saying it "lost" money that never was, by saying "If we had booked the tour straight and done the dates without the huge production, we would have made this much, whereas by doing it the way we did, we only made that much . . . the difference is this much, so that's what was lost." They actually all made money, just not as much as they might have preferred. BTM did not make that clear, and really neither did my book becuse I myself did not understand that point until after the fact. Those guys also still participated equally in the publisher's side of the royalties back then, so when "Roboto" and "Don't Let It End" got that massive radio play, it's safe to say those songs did very well for all involved. It's not like they had to stand in line at the soup kitchen because of KILROY. The album was a hit - but not as big a hit as they wanted it to be. The tour drew well - but not as well as they would have liked. A lot of what happened has to do with how spoiled everyone had gotten, as well.

I hope all is well.


Sterling

[blt man]

And Dennis played to about 600 people in Calgary last year.. the venue he played holds about 1500.. The year before he played in front of 3000 people.

I didn't make a big deal of it back then.. why are you making such a big deal about Styx doing 600 people Froy?

Oh right.. You're BFF can't do no wrong and Always sells out doesn't he?

Yea and he sold out 6 nights in Montreal
600 in Hollywood thats real bad
How did Dennis play to 3000 people when it was a 1500 seater?
We don't believe Gowan supporters Jodes and you are one of them

The market for Dennis in Canada is mostly in the province of Quebec only. He played just outside of Toronto in September of 2007 at an 880 seat facility and there were probably only 500-600 people there. I was at that concert and it had a theatre crowd - people that subscribed to the the various events at the theatre. I am a supporter of Dennis as much as anyone. But, there are venues where Dennis does not draw and there are venues where Styx doesn't really draw - let's just be even handed about it.

[Jodes]

Last I heard Zan was a fan of Gowan..

[chowhall]

Only in Froy's mind does he have a girlfriend, unless you count Rosey

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Greed?
You think they deserved a cut of the Roboto comercial?
The very same song they said ruined the band.
Which is it ?
They want the cash when its there and the blame to Dennis when its bad.
IMO Shaw and JY deserved 0 for that commercial
Not 1 cent

Okay, enough with the Roboto commercial.

Dennis & JY were the ones that re-recorded Roboto for the VW commercial. Why wouldn't JY get paid and who cares how much he got paid. It's no ones business who gets paid for what.

If it does matter, I'd like to know what everyone gets paid at their jobs along with their co-workers. After that's posted I would like to compare what they make to the jobs they do. Sheesh!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

As for BTM, which again is over 9 years old now......

There was over 16 hours of footage and they had to cut it down to make the segment in about 44 minutes (give or take minutes).

There were hours of footage from Dennis' family & more friends that were never seen, same as other members of the band. You can edit any footage and make the segment come out as they (the producers) viewed as how they want it viewed, obviously with more drama, arguing, less history, blah, blah blah!

Dennis and others were very upset at the outcome, wouldn't you be if it was you?

Believe it or not (whatever) but Dennis still does suffer from pain with lights & the sunlight. I can't remember the proper name of it, but that's true. Why would one really make that up and even waste their time going doctor to doctor to find out what the hecks going on. So no, he is not cured.

Hopefully everyone heard Rick Kogan's interview this morning in which he explained this in detail what happened then to what he's experiencing now.

Can everyone post there medical issues on here too? I would like to see who could be faking or not!

[froy]

Greed?
You think they deserved a cut of the Roboto comercial?
The very same song they said ruined the band.
Which is it ?
They want the cash when its there and the blame to Dennis when its bad.
IMO Shaw and JY deserved 0 for that commercial
Not 1 cent

Okay, enough with the Roboto commercial.

Dennis & JY were the ones that re-recorded Roboto for the VW commercial. Why wouldn't JY get paid and who cares how much he got paid. It's no ones business who gets paid for what.

If it does matter, I'd like to know what everyone gets paid at their jobs along with their co-workers. After that's posted I would like to compare what they make to the jobs they do. Sheesh!

how was the hockey concert?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

how was the hockey concert?

I've always been a fan of Tommy's music and I do enjoy seeing him live, so hate me!

I'll be bashed for my opinion, but oh well. I counted 18 people that asked if Dennis was going to be there in concert. 7 of those people didn't know he wasn't in the band. During the concert one lady next to commented that Dennis' voice sounded very different and asked if he had throat surgery, I kid you not.

The band was energetic, TO ME it was great to see Chuck come out on stage and play in with a few songs.

TO ME, it was sad that the harmonies are not there anymore that were there with Dennis, that TO ME is what made Styx what is was, the harmonies with the songs.

TO ME, it was sad when they introduced Chuck saying that it was him and his brother John that started the band, never mentioning Dennis, in which I KNOW they don't do that or even acknowledge him. I hope someone that was there pipes in and corrects me if I'm wrong, but I thought JY said on stage about America and that Tommy wrote the next song "Suite Madame Blue". One of my friends said, I thought Dennis wrote that and someone behind me said that Tommy wasn't even in the band when that album came out. Maybe we all heard it wrong, not sure.

On Wednesday when I was there for Dennis' radio interview, Dennis mentioned each member by name, told stories about each member of the band and what they meant to the band. He told a story about Johnny P and the pranks he would do, talked about Chuck, he talked about JC coming into the band, he talked about JY James Young and about Tommy. In Dennis' concerts he even talks about the story behind Castle Walls and now even says Tommy by name (the Linda Blair story).

[StyxCollector]

Bottom line: It's their band to do with what they choose. Clearly, the judge in the lawsuit felt there was enough ground for them to stand on when he gave them permission to use the band name. Dennis should be happy because he will always get his royalties now with no one will call him to question, and the rest of the guys are happy because they don't ever have to deal with him again.

They settled it out of court so no one knows what the terms of the final agreement are/were. It's clear that Dennis can use/refer to Styx in certain ways for publicity and the other guys can use it outright. Having read all of the court documents before they were sealed, they were pretty fascinating.

Whatever went on behind the scenes until the BNW period, they signed these legal documents. I don't think anyone forced JY to tour in 1991 for EOTC. In my estimation, most were pretty fair from what I could see, and even if they were skewed a bit (i.e. "allowing" only a certain amount of shows in the case of the 1991 tour), they still signed them.

This is sometimes why my sympathy quotient is quite low, because they could have walked away numerous times if they felt Dennis was such an asshole. This statement does not mean I like Styx any less; to me it's more about the music than this behind the scenes bullshit. The drama may seem entertaining to some, but 10 years on, do we really need to rehash the same ol', same ol'?

And uh, I'll put some money on that bet about Tommy Shaw NOT being the mystery guest 3rd guitarist on the Burtnik/DeYoung gig in NYC. Any takers?

We're in agreement here. I'll fall out of my chair at that show if it is, but I'd put money on the fact that band member #3 isn't Tommy. I'm sure Dennis' show will be just fine sans Tommy. Just as Shaw Blades didn't miss JY or Dennis being a third member, either.

[StyxCollector]

I counted 18 people that asked if Dennis was going to be there in concert. 7 of those people didn't know he wasn't in the band. During the concert one lady next to commented that Dennis' voice sounded very different and asked if he had throat surgery, I kid you not.

That's been my experience time and time again at Styx shows since 1999, even the last one I saw in CA. It is what it is. What I tend to hear more than anything else is people are surprised certain songs are not done, like "The Best of Times". Generally, people showing up to shows could care less who is in the band. They just want to hear the songs they know and have them sound remotely close to what they were on record.

I've been pretty vocal about the harmonies not blending as well. And I'm on record with liking Gowan and his contributions to the band. It's his material I've liked more than either JY or TS' contributions on the albums since 1999. By all accounts he's even a good guy; I hope to interview him some day.

TO ME, it was sad when they introduced Chuck saying that it was him and his brother John that started the band, never mentioning Dennis, in which I KNOW they don't do that or even acknowledge him. I hope someone that was there pipes in and corrects me if I'm wrong, but I thought JY said on stage about America and that Tommy wrote the next song "Suite Madame Blue". One of my friends said, I thought Dennis wrote that and someone behind me said that Tommy wasn't even in the band when that album came out. Maybe we all heard it wrong, not sure.

On Wednesday when I was there for Dennis' radio interview, Dennis mentioned each member by name, told stories about each member of the band and what they meant to the band. He told a story about Johnny P and the pranks he would do, talked about Chuck, he talked about JC coming into the band, he talked about JY James Young and about Tommy. In Dennis' concerts he even talks about the story behind Castle Walls and now even says Tommy by name (the Linda Blair story).

Well, to be fair, Dennis talked around Styx for quite awhile, but has always been consistent about what he says, and more recently - including my interview - he's fairly open when talking about the old days and the guys. His stories are consistent.

Now, I don't think Styx has to mention Dennis, but by pretty much omitting most of his songs (except "Lady", "Grand Illusion", and "Come Sail Away"), and by saying things like Suite brings up, it helps fuel the fires. It doesn't put them out.