Regeneration Vol. 1?

[froy]

StyxCollector
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This is business, pure and simple. If these are re-records of their hits, as I said, they can do whatever they please with them. Even if it's just Tommy and JY songs, you may hear BCM, Renegade, and others promoting products in an ad near you ..

Oh I get it they are trying to sell their songs to Burger King I see, So JY is going to sell Eddie and Homewrecker and Tommy is going to sell She Cares.
This is all part of the we are selling out before there is nothing left to sell syndrome. To me it's more proof there is nothing left in the tank.
The rehash continues,

[froy]

Maybe it will be a bluegrass album with JY on fiddle

Yee Haa Thank God JY is a country boy, Could you see JY with the Cowboy hat?

[froy]

How many times can they re-release their fucking songs? Who wants to hear re-records again??? Record something new, or keep your asses out of the studio! I have yet to hear a re-record from ANY band that was better than the original...

Sorry G I Jim This Legacy is going down and Shaw ,Young, Brusco, Gowan and Mrs. Tommy Shaw are going to make sure of it,

[froy]

Maybe it will be a bluegrass album with JY on fiddle

Yee Haa Thank God JY is a country boy, Could you see JY with the Cowboy hat?

[froy]

StyxCollector
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This is business, pure and simple. If these are re-records of their hits, as I said, they can do whatever they please with them. Even if it's just Tommy and JY songs, you may hear BCM, Renegade, and others promoting products in an ad near you ..

Oh I get it they are trying to sell their songs to Burger King I see, So JY is going to sell Eddie and Homewrecker and Tommy is going to sell She Cares.
This is all part of the we are selling out before there is nothing left to sell syndrome. To me it's more proof there is nothing left in the tank.
The rehash continues,

[brywool]

Ok Tell us how it is going to benefit STYX to let Gowan sing DDY songs from STYX past and put it on a cd.

Roy- It can benefit them now because those can be used in movies and advertisements or places where they can't use the original because they'd have to pay DeYoung. They'll STILL have to pay him if he wrote the song, but it will be this Styx's performance. It also benefits them if the record company (Walmart?) says "You CAN put out a new album, but ONLY if you re-record your greatest hits for us". Didn't Kiss just do this? Didn't Journey do this? They can also be used in their own marketing for shows and stuff. That's important for them.

Tell us how you can have a multi platinum band sell millions of units and now you are going to turn it over to a guy who can sing at all and let him rerecord
the songs we all grew up with and keep near and dear to our hearts .

Well, once again, a Roy typo messes up the sentence...
But I think I know where you're going. First of all- just because it's a re-record doesn't mean that the original isn't close at hand.
Go Roy! Run and get the original Cornerstone vinyl and put on First Time. You have 5 seconds!
See? You were able to grab it and pop it on quickly. None of that goes away for the peeps that have the original and were touched by them.

Now, Cry like you did when you and your High School girlfriend first heard First Time. Does it bring back the painful memory of how you screamed like a little girl and ran away as she tried to put the moves on you? And from that moment, you knew your secret was out, and you were indeed different from other boys...

You wanna know something this is not a record company ploy believe me
The 2 Babies are pissed off that Dennis has replaced them with the current band and has added there songs so they say lets FUCK HIM

That's your spin. I would bet this deal has been in the works for a long time now even before the DeYoung thing. I bet they don't care. If they're as money hungry as you say, wouldn't they welcome Dennis performing those songs? It means dollars for them.

The JOURNEY project with AP did not work at all in fact I never heard one song on the radio

You're absolutely WRONG. Journey had a number one album. Their first in a very long time. They were able to do a huge world tour, going places that Steve Perry never wanted to go to. They were all over TV with the soccer mom set (Oprah, Entertainment Tonight, Ellen- you know, all your favorite shows Roy). It put them in the spotlight with NEW music. I didn't hear the re-records either. I DID however hear 3 songs from the new album in stores and also heard 2 of them on the radio and not on a Rockline episode where they were featured, but just an every day station. The re-records were STRICTLY a business move. I don't think they used them in anything but radio and tv promos for their shows.
That was VERY successful for them. It wasn't as successful as "Escape" or "Frontiers" but it's a different time. The re-records were NOT the incentive for Journey. They were the incentive for Walmart. The album went platinum and gold for them. First time since Perry was in the band.
They had a top 5 hit with "After All These Years" and a top 20 hit with "Where Did I Lose Your Love". They hadn't had a hit since 96. Not sure what your definition of success is, but that's pretty f'ing successful Roy. (source= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_%28Journey_album%29).

So are you going to tell me after that dumb move you understand why STYX is going to do the same thing? I would really like you to take us through the thought process and tell us what's going to happen and why is it going to work when The JRNY deal didn't?

As for whether it worked for Journey, see above. It clearly put them back on the map.Walmart played the crap out of Revelation in their stores and it sold buttloads (something you understand Roy) for them. For Styx- it remains to be seen. I do not think it will work for them. I think they are too late getting on the bandwagon here. I never said it would work, but it IS their best chance and will probably be their last shot. Dennis' record company sure couldn't do anything with his album.... I said (again) that I understand why they're doing it. Kiss, Journey, and I think a few others have had success under the Walmart deals. With Styx... I dunno. Quite honestly, I don't think the general public want to hear much from a band that gave us "Mr. Roboto". Again, I think Dennis gets the blame for screwing up the image of the band. However, I could be wrong and fans hopefully remember things like "Come Sail Away" and "Renegade" as opposed to the idiotic choice of a single in Roboto.

Why are they only interested in the past? Why are the fans only interested in the past ? You wanna know why?

Well Joy, fans are only interested in the past because people today have a VERY limited attention span. They will only pick up on what's familiar to them and anything new and different scares the crap out of them.

Because they were a huge hit in the past with Dennis and now with Gowan they fukn stink.

That's your opinion. I haven't heard him sing any of Dennis' songs better than Dennis. However, his contributions to the new music are great. It SHOULD be about NEW music for the band (as I've been saying...). The record BUSINESS CLIMATE won't let that happen. Outside of Areosmith and U2 there aren't many 80s bands that have success today. Some of them suck (REO). Some of them do not (Styx).

So instead of being smart they are going top ONCE AGAIN redo something that my friend is another sign that this silly act has run it's course.
they are now taking the ship down in flames and fuking classic STYX fans and Dennis DeYoung

If you don't want to hear re-recorded music DON'T BUY IT. Simple as that. I will most likely be doing this (Unless there is an album of good new music with it). The Journey disc was sold as a 3 for one deal, so it's not like it cost a ton of money or anything. Toss the re-retread disc and keep the new one.

Your right the legacy has been destroyed by Shaw Young Brusco and Shaw's wife.

I think the legacy has been more destroyed by Dennis being arrogant enough to think that he could get big dollars out of A&M. THAT is what really screwed the band over. They lost their deal. I shouldn't say arrogant. I think that he tried to do the right thing by Styx... BUT he overestimated their worth, at least in the eyes of A&M. THAT MOVE left them labeless and they lost credibility. Then, when they finally did reform, Dennis got sick and had all that Broadway stuff going. Both projects cannot be number 1. He should've put all he had into Styx and let the other thing go at least until Styx had secured themselves a proper record deal. From where I sit, Young, Shaw and Panozzo were willing to put the time in. Dennis was too busy. And dude... seriously, how can you blame Shaw's wife for anything, especially when Yoko DeYoung has her fingers in everything Dennis? Also, the other thing that screwed up the legacy is Dennis' constant push for them to be a lightweight band. Classic bands do NOT need number one singles. Did Zepplin, Rush, or Pink Floyd have hit singles? NO. THAT is the model they should've pursued. Instead, they ended up as the number one band for "Freaks and Geeks". Come on...

If Styx came back together to try and do something new- I don't think a record company would touch them.

I would not either they need to prove they can still jell after a few years who knows

No, they'd have to prove that they could still write relevant songs instead of "Breathe Again". One thing that'd certainly help them is if Glen was back with them.

BRY I have had a massive cronic gout bout for 3 years I could not have toured or even written music in the last 3 years.
I am on so much pain meds and steroids I need even more time to get better, If Dennis was really sick back in 1998 and these guys bailed and stole the name without giving the guy a shot at getting better they would really be scum users in my book.

That may be. At the time they moved on, I was pretty shocked. But had they not had the history that they had had with Dennis, they probably would've waited. From all accounts, Dennis is a pretty frail guy. Didn't he have major depression during one of their tours that required the wife and kids accompany him everywhere? Wasn't he called The Doctor because of the meds he was on all the time? After a while, you just gotta move. Styx had been in the public eye a bit more with those Sandler movies, the Cartman thing, and the Roboto VW add (which is the ONLY time I've appreciated that song- funny). THAT was the time that they could've gotten back on top. But because Dennis spread himself too thin, he got sick and pretty much blew it for the band. It's a sad thing to happen, but I understand them moving on. They DID wait. They just didn't wait a year.

Sorry about your condition Froy. That's gotta suck. I get pissed off when my voice doesn't work 100% as it should and I'm also on all kinds of meds for it. I can't imagine your situation.

The band was sick of waiting for him. Can't blame them. Shaw put his solo, Shaw/Blades, and Damn Yankees projects on hold to basically be a part of Styx again (didn't he?)

Is that a big deal ? Phil Collins does the same thing and do you can blame him?

I don't know much about him. I guess he's done drumming. Back problems.

Shaw in 84 destroyed the band and ran away coked out of his mind

He's copped to that. He blames the stress in the band. I can see that. I'd have a VERY difficult time with a Japanese Robot-themed concept album being pushed down my throat... BUT- the drugs were stupid for sure.

Dennis still wanted him back in 91 but he did not put anything on hold he basiclly screwed everyone.

Shaw was right. Damn Yankees did well for him and those are great records.

I don't blame the band one second for moving on. When a guy doesn't want to work, it's the sh*ts for those that do.

Than Shaw should have been kicked out in 85 and never let back in by your words.

Maybe so. However, Shaw brought a lot to the party that Styx didn't have. Dennis did too of course. BUT, Dennis was also very difficult to work with (from all concerned) and though he had written GREAT tunes for the band in the past, he kept taking them down a road they didn't want to go, musically. If you have a guy that WANTS TO WORK (Shaw) on one side, and a guy that has his own thing going on the side, doesn't like to tour, is a pain in the ass to work with, is dictatorial (Dennis)... who's going to pick the latter person to be in their band? Not me. It's worth the gamble of trying to go it on my own if it means preserving my sanity and keeping the band working.

I still think your a ok guy,
Remember it's all in fun

Of course it is! Same to you. I just don't get the anger, especially for Gowan. The guy IS talented as a musician and singer. You may not like him singing Dennis' songs, I get that, but some of the stuff you say about him... If I was him, I'd have a Security Company watching your house. Just TOO angry. You gotta give him props as a player.

[classicstyxfan]

How can we streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech our career out for a few more years ?????? We cant write anything worth recording, havent in nearly a decade.......what to do ??????

we'll regurgitate the same old stuff ONE MORE TIME !!!!!!!


there enough people stuck in the 70's with disposable income for recyclable Styx that we might even turn a profit !!!

( Yawn )

Maybe I'll go watch a re-run of M*A*S*H or Hawaii Five-O instead.

[dextertragic]

My take on this whole deal is that Styx isn't quite sure what to do these days. Even if they came up with the best album of their career...rock radio (in it's present state) won't play it. Therefore, most people who could potentially purchase it will never know it exists. The amount of time, money, and effort that a project like this would take might not even pay for itself.

However, re-recording the big hits (and making them sound as close to the originals as possible...like Journey did), could result in some income and placement in commercials, films, etc. They would own the masters (as opposed to A&M/Universal), and could do with them what they please. But, it sounds like they might be changing the arrangements up....which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

So, I'm not sure what they're up to. Like Brywool...I would love to hear some new material. I really liked Cyclorama (especially "One With Everything"). But, I'm not sure who would buy it if they released a brand new album, other than the hardcore fans.

I've seen Styx live many times, but I miss the days of seeing them when they were promoting a new album. I saw Rush on the Snake And Arrows tour a couple of years ago, and it was so cool to see a band from that era playing so many songs off of their new record.

And that's all I have to say about that....

Dexter