Chuck on Dennis: No reason for animosity

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Dennis mentions the other guys almost every time I see his show. He is very proud of what the 5 of them accomplished together.

He has mentioned JC too during his show with "Suite Madame Blue" in a very positive way.

In the past few years he has mentioned many stories and meanings to a lot of his/their songs. I learn something knew at every concert that I didn't know before about the early Styx songs.

[Toph]

I'm not sure if you guys recognized I was quoting from another article as the source. That's what Chuck said in the exact manner that he said it. To then add the context, "That's not true," would be me stating an opinion rather than quoting what got said. My job in writing an abstraction of someone else's interview is to report what was said in context.

Now, if this had been my interview I might have said as diplomatically as possible, "Dennis has always maintained that he was fired, what's your response to that?" But that wasn't possible in this instance.


Sterling

Things might be softening a bit in between the guys but here at Melodicrock.com the battle of "I must defend Dennis" fights on....

No, just willing to call out the complete BS and fabrications that come from TS, JY, and CP that some of you want to just overlook because your nose is so far up their asses.

Yes, because it matters... why? exactly? What matters is, they no longer work together. For Chuck to say "Yeah, we fired him" would basically negate the purpose of the article. The FACT is Dennis could not commit to Styx and the touring schedule they wanted to follow. When you do that at work, they let you guy. It's the same as any job. Dennis was a prime creative force (if not THE prime creative force) in the band, but the majority didn't want to wait for him. Dennis said something like "Give me 6 months or a year" or whatever. That amount of time can kill a record or a tour. The band certainly could've (and I say should have) waited to finish BNW and tour with Dennis, but as the band has stated many times now, Styx was all over the place and the band wanted to capitalize on that fact. As a business, that is exactly what they should've been thinking. Dennis wasn't able to hold up his end and after so many other problems between he and the band, the band decided to move on without him. Now, they are reaping the rewards of that, both good and bad. They do not appear unhappy with the decision. Dennis can work at his own pace and with Suzanne up on stage with him.

Why is this such a big deal to people? Everyone in both camps is happy doing what they want? It's not like a reunited Styx could fill a 60,000 seat arena. If you're thinking that, you're nuts. Dennis doesn't and never has liked to tour. EVER. The rest of the band, on the other hand LOVES to be on the road.

Think back to yer Sesame Street "One of these things is not like the other... so let's fire it".

It happens in the business world all the time. I'm sure the band does not HATE Dennis (though maybe Jy, not sure), they just moved on as a business decision. Happens every day.

Maybe it is not so much that they moved on without him but they way in which they did it. Once they made that decision, they would not return Dennis' calls and tried to walk away with Styx lock stock and barrel without giving Dennis his rightful share of things. They didn't live up to the contract that they all agreed upon. Hence one of the reasons among others that Dennis brought the lawsuit against them.

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

[gr8dane]

I'm not sure if you guys recognized I was quoting from another article as the source. That's what Chuck said in the exact manner that he said it. To then add the context, "That's not true," would be me stating an opinion rather than quoting what got said. My job in writing an abstraction of someone else's interview is to report what was said in context.

Now, if this had been my interview I might have said as diplomatically as possible, "Dennis has always maintained that he was fired, what's your response to that?" But that wasn't possible in this instance.


Sterling

Things might be softening a bit in between the guys but here at Melodicrock.com the battle of "I must defend Dennis" fights on....

No, just willing to call out the complete BS and fabrications that come from TS, JY, and CP that some of you want to just overlook because your nose is so far up their asses.

Yes, because it matters... why? exactly? What matters is, they no longer work together. For Chuck to say "Yeah, we fired him" would basically negate the purpose of the article. The FACT is Dennis could not commit to Styx and the touring schedule they wanted to follow. When you do that at work, they let you guy. It's the same as any job. Dennis was a prime creative force (if not THE prime creative force) in the band, but the majority didn't want to wait for him. Dennis said something like "Give me 6 months or a year" or whatever. That amount of time can kill a record or a tour. The band certainly could've (and I say should have) waited to finish BNW and tour with Dennis, but as the band has stated many times now, Styx was all over the place and the band wanted to capitalize on that fact. As a business, that is exactly what they should've been thinking. Dennis wasn't able to hold up his end and after so many other problems between he and the band, the band decided to move on without him. Now, they are reaping the rewards of that, both good and bad. They do not appear unhappy with the decision. Dennis can work at his own pace and with Suzanne up on stage with him.

Why is this such a big deal to people? Everyone in both camps is happy doing what they want? It's not like a reunited Styx could fill a 60,000 seat arena. If you're thinking that, you're nuts. Dennis doesn't and never has liked to tour. EVER. The rest of the band, on the other hand LOVES to be on the road.

Think back to yer Sesame Street "One of these things is not like the other... so let's fire it".

It happens in the business world all the time. I'm sure the band does not HATE Dennis (though maybe Jy, not sure), they just moved on as a business decision. Happens every day.

Maybe it is not so much that they moved on without him but they way in which they did it. Once they made that decision, they would not return Dennis' calls and tried to walk away with Styx lock stock and barrel without giving Dennis his rightful share of things. They didn't live up to the contract that they all agreed upon. Hence one of the reasons among others that Dennis brought the lawsuit against them.

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

I think you just out did yourself there toph.That sounds pretty good.Dennis get busy at home writing solid Styx material.
JY and Tommy can listen in ,give their input.Dennis can show up on select dates.
That would probably mean the DDY band would have to look for work elsewhere.

[Boomchild]

I'm not sure if you guys recognized I was quoting from another article as the source. That's what Chuck said in the exact manner that he said it. To then add the context, "That's not true," would be me stating an opinion rather than quoting what got said. My job in writing an abstraction of someone else's interview is to report what was said in context.

Now, if this had been my interview I might have said as diplomatically as possible, "Dennis has always maintained that he was fired, what's your response to that?" But that wasn't possible in this instance.


Sterling

Things might be softening a bit in between the guys but here at Melodicrock.com the battle of "I must defend Dennis" fights on....

No, just willing to call out the complete BS and fabrications that come from TS, JY, and CP that some of you want to just overlook because your nose is so far up their asses.

Yes, because it matters... why? exactly? What matters is, they no longer work together. For Chuck to say "Yeah, we fired him" would basically negate the purpose of the article. The FACT is Dennis could not commit to Styx and the touring schedule they wanted to follow. When you do that at work, they let you guy. It's the same as any job. Dennis was a prime creative force (if not THE prime creative force) in the band, but the majority didn't want to wait for him. Dennis said something like "Give me 6 months or a year" or whatever. That amount of time can kill a record or a tour. The band certainly could've (and I say should have) waited to finish BNW and tour with Dennis, but as the band has stated many times now, Styx was all over the place and the band wanted to capitalize on that fact. As a business, that is exactly what they should've been thinking. Dennis wasn't able to hold up his end and after so many other problems between he and the band, the band decided to move on without him. Now, they are reaping the rewards of that, both good and bad. They do not appear unhappy with the decision. Dennis can work at his own pace and with Suzanne up on stage with him.

Why is this such a big deal to people? Everyone in both camps is happy doing what they want? It's not like a reunited Styx could fill a 60,000 seat arena. If you're thinking that, you're nuts. Dennis doesn't and never has liked to tour. EVER. The rest of the band, on the other hand LOVES to be on the road.

Think back to yer Sesame Street "One of these things is not like the other... so let's fire it".

It happens in the business world all the time. I'm sure the band does not HATE Dennis (though maybe Jy, not sure), they just moved on as a business decision. Happens every day.

Maybe it is not so much that they moved on without him but they way in which they did it. Once they made that decision, they would not return Dennis' calls and tried to walk away with Styx lock stock and barrel without giving Dennis his rightful share of things. They didn't live up to the contract that they all agreed upon. Hence one of the reasons among others that Dennis brought the lawsuit against them.

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

I doubt very seriously that Dennis would have agreed to anything that would resemble an arrangement like that.

[Monker]

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

That is the stupidist thing I have ever read.

Well, except when the same thing was written in the Journey forum.

At the time, Dennis' new music sucked. He was worthless in every way until he got Hunchback out of his system.

[Toph]

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

That is the stupidist thing I have ever read.

Well, except when the same thing was written in the Journey forum.

At the time, Dennis' new music sucked. He was worthless in every way until he got Hunchback out of his system.

Oh and shit like just fell in and just be are fucking classics. Monker you are SUCH a fucking tool and prove that every time you post.

[Boomchild]

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

That is the stupidist thing I have ever read.

Well, except when the same thing was written in the Journey forum.

At the time, Dennis' new music sucked. He was worthless in every way until he got Hunchback out of his system.

Oh and shit like just fell in and just be are fucking classics. Monker you are SUCH a fucking tool and prove that every time you post.

Too bad JY can't get his worthlessness "out of his system". In case you're not sure who I'm talking about he's that tall blond guy from Styx.

[brywool]

I'm not sure if you guys recognized I was quoting from another article as the source. That's what Chuck said in the exact manner that he said it. To then add the context, "That's not true," would be me stating an opinion rather than quoting what got said. My job in writing an abstraction of someone else's interview is to report what was said in context.

Now, if this had been my interview I might have said as diplomatically as possible, "Dennis has always maintained that he was fired, what's your response to that?" But that wasn't possible in this instance.


Sterling

Things might be softening a bit in between the guys but here at Melodicrock.com the battle of "I must defend Dennis" fights on....

No, just willing to call out the complete BS and fabrications that come from TS, JY, and CP that some of you want to just overlook because your nose is so far up their asses.

Yes, because it matters... why? exactly? What matters is, they no longer work together. For Chuck to say "Yeah, we fired him" would basically negate the purpose of the article. The FACT is Dennis could not commit to Styx and the touring schedule they wanted to follow. When you do that at work, they let you guy. It's the same as any job. Dennis was a prime creative force (if not THE prime creative force) in the band, but the majority didn't want to wait for him. Dennis said something like "Give me 6 months or a year" or whatever. That amount of time can kill a record or a tour. The band certainly could've (and I say should have) waited to finish BNW and tour with Dennis, but as the band has stated many times now, Styx was all over the place and the band wanted to capitalize on that fact. As a business, that is exactly what they should've been thinking. Dennis wasn't able to hold up his end and after so many other problems between he and the band, the band decided to move on without him. Now, they are reaping the rewards of that, both good and bad. They do not appear unhappy with the decision. Dennis can work at his own pace and with Suzanne up on stage with him.

Why is this such a big deal to people? Everyone in both camps is happy doing what they want? It's not like a reunited Styx could fill a 60,000 seat arena. If you're thinking that, you're nuts. Dennis doesn't and never has liked to tour. EVER. The rest of the band, on the other hand LOVES to be on the road.

Think back to yer Sesame Street "One of these things is not like the other... so let's fire it".

It happens in the business world all the time. I'm sure the band does not HATE Dennis (though maybe Jy, not sure), they just moved on as a business decision. Happens every day.

Maybe it is not so much that they moved on without him but they way in which they did it. Once they made that decision, they would not return Dennis' calls and tried to walk away with Styx lock stock and barrel without giving Dennis his rightful share of things. They didn't live up to the contract that they all agreed upon. Hence one of the reasons among others that Dennis brought the lawsuit against them.

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

I doubt very seriously that Dennis would have agreed to anything that would resemble an arrangement like that.

But that is what they should've done. I said this in the past too. Dennis wouldn't have agreed to it of course. He wanted to stay home, the majority wanted to go on the road. How is one guy's vote worth more than the rest? When you have a guy in the organization who doesn't want or can't work, you move on. Just like any other job out there. Had this been the first time that Dennis said "hey, I need to be home" or whatever, I'm sure that it woulda been no big deal. But the reports have always been that Dennis CONSTANTLY did not want to tour and he didn't not want to tour Constantly. The band had reformed after years of nothing and they wanted to be out there working. You can't fault them for that.

[Monker]

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

That is the stupidist thing I have ever read.

Well, except when the same thing was written in the Journey forum.

At the time, Dennis' new music sucked. He was worthless in every way until he got Hunchback out of his system.

Oh and shit like just fell in and just be are fucking classics. Monker you are SUCH a fucking tool and prove that every time you post.

No, but "These Are the Times" IS...and Dennis was so obsessed with Hunchback that he rejected it. That says a LOT. Dennis offered nothing but retread ballads and Hunchback songs - nothing else. Having Dennis write an entire Styx album in the timeframe of BNW and Cyclorama is about lame as having a troll like you moderate a Styx forum.

[brywool]

I don't get the Just Be hatred. It's a good song. Very Floyd.

[Boomchild]

I'm not sure if you guys recognized I was quoting from another article as the source. That's what Chuck said in the exact manner that he said it. To then add the context, "That's not true," would be me stating an opinion rather than quoting what got said. My job in writing an abstraction of someone else's interview is to report what was said in context.

Now, if this had been my interview I might have said as diplomatically as possible, "Dennis has always maintained that he was fired, what's your response to that?" But that wasn't possible in this instance.


Sterling

Things might be softening a bit in between the guys but here at Melodicrock.com the battle of "I must defend Dennis" fights on....

No, just willing to call out the complete BS and fabrications that come from TS, JY, and CP that some of you want to just overlook because your nose is so far up their asses.

Yes, because it matters... why? exactly? What matters is, they no longer work together. For Chuck to say "Yeah, we fired him" would basically negate the purpose of the article. The FACT is Dennis could not commit to Styx and the touring schedule they wanted to follow. When you do that at work, they let you guy. It's the same as any job. Dennis was a prime creative force (if not THE prime creative force) in the band, but the majority didn't want to wait for him. Dennis said something like "Give me 6 months or a year" or whatever. That amount of time can kill a record or a tour. The band certainly could've (and I say should have) waited to finish BNW and tour with Dennis, but as the band has stated many times now, Styx was all over the place and the band wanted to capitalize on that fact. As a business, that is exactly what they should've been thinking. Dennis wasn't able to hold up his end and after so many other problems between he and the band, the band decided to move on without him. Now, they are reaping the rewards of that, both good and bad. They do not appear unhappy with the decision. Dennis can work at his own pace and with Suzanne up on stage with him.

Why is this such a big deal to people? Everyone in both camps is happy doing what they want? It's not like a reunited Styx could fill a 60,000 seat arena. If you're thinking that, you're nuts. Dennis doesn't and never has liked to tour. EVER. The rest of the band, on the other hand LOVES to be on the road.

Think back to yer Sesame Street "One of these things is not like the other... so let's fire it".

It happens in the business world all the time. I'm sure the band does not HATE Dennis (though maybe Jy, not sure), they just moved on as a business decision. Happens every day.

Maybe it is not so much that they moved on without him but they way in which they did it. Once they made that decision, they would not return Dennis' calls and tried to walk away with Styx lock stock and barrel without giving Dennis his rightful share of things. They didn't live up to the contract that they all agreed upon. Hence one of the reasons among others that Dennis brought the lawsuit against them.

They should have done what the Beach Boys did with Brian Wilson. Use Gowan to tour. Play all the DDY songs in concert and let Dennis work on NEW material in the studio. I think all of us on both sides of the fence would have been ok with that.

I doubt very seriously that Dennis would have agreed to anything that would resemble an arrangement like that.

But that is what they should've done. I said this in the past too. Dennis wouldn't have agreed to it of course. He wanted to stay home, the majority wanted to go on the road. How is one guy's vote worth more than the rest? When you have a guy in the organization who doesn't want or can't work, you move on. Just like any other job out there. Had this been the first time that Dennis said "hey, I need to be home" or whatever, I'm sure that it woulda been no big deal. But the reports have always been that Dennis CONSTANTLY did not want to tour and he didn't not want to tour Constantly. The band had reformed after years of nothing and they wanted to be out there working. You can't fault them for that.

The Dennis doesn't want to tour angle in my opinion is over blown. It wasn't a constant thing. Yes, there was a period of time during the GI time frame when he was having issues being away from his family and then they came on the road with him. To the best of my knowledge no one has stated any touring issues with Dennis during the time of PO8, CS, PT, KWH. Which was their prime touring time. Dennis has never mentioned he has had issues with touring except for the BNW tour and all he asked was for a a delay in starting it. This is just JY\TS camp spinning this angle to justify the real reason for Dennis' firing which was control of the band.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

In MY opinion............ One of the reasons Dennis didn't want to tour as much is because he didn't want to burn the Styx name by going to the same cities and playing the same set lists. I'll have to find that interview in which he explains this.

A few years ago, Styx played 8 times within 3 months less than a 2 hour drive from my house. I know BabyBlue would've loved that!!!!

Also, he was and still is a family man more than other people in the band were during that time. He was able to coach his son in baseball and also help out at school functions. A LOT of bands these days that have kids are putting family first and not touring as much as their fans want them too. After interviewing a bunch of bands they (newer bands) have learned from bands that were popular in the 70's and 80's, one regret most members had was not spending the time with their kids.

[Archetype]

I don't get the Just Be hatred. It's a good song. Very Floyd.

It's so boring and contrived

[yogi]

Just Be = Floyd ?????

Floyd The Barber maybe!

[Keiferb]

I don't get the Just Be hatred. It's a good song. Very Floyd.

While Just Be doesn't bother me at all (although it's hardly the hard core rock the band insists is what they want be), that's just blasphemy. You couldn't name one classic, original lineup Styx song (I'm a fan of most all of it) that could hold a candle to the worst Floyd tune (as if there were such a thing). There's simply no comparing the two bands in terms of # of fans, # of impact songs, live show quality and production, overall breadth, impact, continued relevancy.......nothing. Go wash your mouth out with soap.

[Don]

I don't get the Just Be hatred. It's a good song. Very Floyd.

While Just Be doesn't bother me at all (although it's hardly the hard core rock the band insists is what they want be), that's just blasphemy. You couldn't name one classic, original lineup Styx song (I'm a fan of most all of it) that could hold a candle to the worst Floyd tune (as if there were such a thing). There's simply no comparing the two bands in terms of # of fans, # of impact songs, live show quality and production, overall breadth, impact, continued relevancy.......nothing. Go wash your mouth out with soap.

Speaking of Floyd, the three Wall show Roger did last year at Staples went over so well that he will be returning to L.A. again this year to play the Coliseum.
Now, that is an instance when a band can be split apart but both parts can go on having success on an enormous scale.
Anyone who has seen Roger's shows lately or the Gilmour led Floyd on their Division Bell Tour can attest to that (which would be me).

[Boomchild]

Just Be = Floyd ?????

Floyd The Barber maybe!

Oh thanks! Now I can't get the theme song from the Andy Griffith Show out of my head!

[Boomchild]

I don't get the Just Be hatred. It's a good song. Very Floyd.

While Just Be doesn't bother me at all (although it's hardly the hard core rock the band insists is what they want be), that's just blasphemy. You couldn't name one classic, original lineup Styx song (I'm a fan of most all of it) that could hold a candle to the worst Floyd tune (as if there were such a thing). There's simply no comparing the two bands in terms of # of fans, # of impact songs, live show quality and production, overall breadth, impact, continued relevancy.......nothing. Go wash your mouth out with soap.

Yep, no comparison.