Todd S. comments on length of current set

[cittadeeno23]

Or, you can ask Dennis back, and play in front of 10,00 plus people as the HEADLINER every night. And then you don't have to kiss Def Leppard's ass any longer. And you won't have to trick 75% of the ticket-buying audience into thinking they are actually going to see a Styx Show when they pay their $80 for a STYX ticket! Just a thought.

Note to Tommy and JY: Is Dennis tough to work with?? Boo FRIGIDY Hoo!! (I just watched Austin Powers Goldmember last night!) BOO FRIGIDY HOO!!
Have you guys ever had a REAL job?? You know, the type of job where you work 60 hours a week to scrape in $50K that barely covers the mortage?? The type of job where your boss and 50% of your co-workers are assholes from hell??
Last time I checked WE pay your salaries. THE FANS!! Suck it up and give us what WE want!! Or at least the 98% of us who
don't have some kind of infatuation with LARRY! (No offense, Larry fans!)

And I don't EVER remember hearing ANYONE saying that Styx was a Wussy band at any of the dozens of Styx concerts that I went to from 1976-1997, when Styx was still Styx. Not one person. NONE. ZERO, ZIP, DICK!!

Todd has some kind of "Grand Illusion" going on in his head!

[stabbim]

Or, you can ask Dennis back, and play in front of 10,00 plus people as the HEADLINER every night.

Only if Doc Brown shows up and whisks them all back 1981. Which has about as much chance of happening.

Have you guys ever had a REAL job?? You know, the type of job where you work 60 hours a week to scrape in $50K that barely covers the mortage?? The type of job where your boss and 50% of your co-workers are assholes from hell??

Do you actually know anything about this band?

[styxfanNH]

In the world of what does Todd know about this band? What right does he have to say anything?

He has been with the band since 96. He was in the middle of the battle between the three key principles and knows quite a bit about what the issues were within the band when Dennis was ousted as well as how Dennis was to work with. True he wasn't there in 76, but he has played with all principles of the band and knows a lot more than you or I or anyone else guesses were the issues that were the last straw.

[Blue Falcon]

JY and Tommy have three options:

1. Keep Larry, play 250 shows a year with an average attendance of 1,000 OR

2. Bring back DDY, play 50 shows a year with an average attendance of 10,000

3. Pack it in

[DarwinNebraska]

In the world of what does Todd know about this band? What right does he have to say anything?

He has been with the band since 96. He was in the middle of the battle between the three key principles and knows quite a bit about what the issues were within the band when Dennis was ousted as well as how Dennis was to work with. True he wasn't there in 76, but he has played with all principles of the band and knows a lot more than you or I or anyone else guesses were the issues that were the last straw.

No shit Sherlock.... but why does he feel the need to take shots?

He's extremely lucky that John Panozzo died or God knows what he'd be doing.

[cittadeeno23]

Yeah, I know they sound better with Dennis in the Band!!
And I know that's probably never going to happen again. But Stranger things have happened.

[StyxCollector]

Or, you can ask Dennis back, and play in front of 10,00 plus people as the HEADLINER every night.

Only if Doc Brown shows up and whisks them all back 1981. Which has about as much chance of happening.

Have to agree here. Even with DDY in the band, to say they'll sell out 10,000 seat venues just as Styx is just not going to happen. Maybe as part of a double bill, and they'll have more cache (so-to-speak), but the days are long gone of Styx or DDY headlining to that many people alone unless it's a free concert.

I'd say with DDY back they could do 5000 - 7500 seaters with a scaled back touring schedule, or as I said, have another band open/double bill with them.

Anyone who thinks DDY coming back will increase attendance dramatically is delusional.

[styxfanNH]

In the world of what does Todd know about this band? What right does he have to say anything?

He has been with the band since 96. He was in the middle of the battle between the three key principles and knows quite a bit about what the issues were within the band when Dennis was ousted as well as how Dennis was to work with. True he wasn't there in 76, but he has played with all principles of the band and knows a lot more than you or I or anyone else guesses were the issues that were the last straw.

No shit Sherlock.... but why does he feel the need to take shots?

He's extremely lucky that John Panozzo died or God knows what he'd be doing.

Prior to Styx, Todd was a successful studio drummer in the Chicago area. He has recorded with Steve Cole and Brian Wilson. He would have done just fine. If John was still with us, he would be drumming for another band.

[cittadeeno23]

I said they could HEADLINE a 10,000 seat arena. But yes, they would need a good opening act like in 1996 and 1997.
That's just the way it is for most of the classic rock bands. Except for the select few bands who the Elite in charge seem to like.

And yes, I guess I'm dellusional because I think a properly advertised Dennis Led Styx would DRAMATIALLY outsell a Larry Led Styx.

But if the current band is happy, then more power to them. And I do still enjoy seeing Tommy and JY together on stage. I just am NOT going to go see them open-up for Def Leppard and play 7 songs. That blows. This is a band that was HUGE and deserves better than that. And I like Todd better when he shuts up and plays the drums.

[Zan]

He's extremely lucky that John Panozzo died or God knows what he'd be doing.

That's the ticket.

[stabbim]

Do you actually know anything about this band?

Yeah, I know they sound better with Dennis in the Band!!

Not even remotely my point, but Ok.

And yes, I guess I'm dellusional because I think a properly advertised Dennis Led Styx would DRAMATIALLY outsell a Larry Led Styx.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, a "Larry-led Styx," in any respect whatsoever.

[styxfanNH]

I said they could HEADLINE a 10,000 seat arena. But yes, they would need a good opening act like in 1996 and 1997.
That's just the way it is for most of the classic rock bands. Except for the select few bands who the Elite in charge seem to like.

And yes, I guess I'm dellusional because I think a properly advertised Dennis Led Styx would DRAMATIALLY outsell a Larry Led Styx.

But if the current band is happy, then more power to them. And I do still enjoy seeing Tommy and JY together on stage. I just am NOT going to go see them open-up for Def Leppard and play 7 songs. That blows. This is a band that was HUGE and deserves better than that. And I like Todd better when he shuts up and plays the drums.

Who says this is a Larry led Styx. It is definitely a Tommy led Styx. Larry is clearly support that sings a few of the songs.

[cittadeeno23]

I did not mean Larry was the leader of Styx! I shouldn't have worded it that way.

I meant to say that a Styx concert promoting Dennis in the band would DRAMATICALLY outsell a Styx concert promoting Larry in the band.

Now, I guess we may all have different interpretations of what Dramatic is!

Either way, I want more than 7 songs!!

[StyxCollector]

I said they could HEADLINE a 10,000 seat arena. But yes, they would need a good opening act like in 1996 and 1997.
That's just the way it is for most of the classic rock bands. Except for the select few bands who the Elite in charge seem to like.

And yes, I guess I'm dellusional because I think a properly advertised Dennis Led Styx would DRAMATIALLY outsell a Larry Led Styx.

But if the current band is happy, then more power to them. And I do still enjoy seeing Tommy and JY together on stage. I just am NOT going to go see them open-up for Def Leppard and play 7 songs. That blows. This is a band that was HUGE and deserves better than that. And I like Todd better when he shuts up and plays the drums.

Who says this is a Larry led Styx. It is definitely a Tommy led Styx. Larry is clearly support that sings a few of the songs.

It is a Tommy and JY led Styx, with Tommy being the main frontman. Lawrence is just playing his role.

To say a DDY-led Styx would dramatically outsell one with Lawrence in the band is just unrealistic.

To the elite comment, is Rush elite? I would say no. They've never been the critic's darlings, yet they still sell a healthy amount of albums and play headlining 3-hour shows. They are the exception to the rule.

[styxfanNH]

I did not mean Larry was the leader of Styx! I shouldn't have worded it that way.

I meant to say that a Styx concert promoting Dennis in the band would DRAMATICALLY outsell a Styx concert promoting Larry in the band.

Now, I guess we may all have different interpretations of what Dramatic is!

Either way, I want more than 7 songs!!

I agree with you, I just don't think that a Dennis led Styx would fill more than a 5,000 to 7,500 seat venue without a solid opener. 7 songs is way to short. THe problem is they have extended these songs so far out so they can interact with fans, that the average song is 6-7 minutes. The good news is at least the medley is gone for now.

[cittadeeno23]

They have played at the Mt. Winery up here in N. California several years in a row now since Dennis was kicked out. At least the last 5 years.
It is a small place that holds about 1-2K people. Maybe more, but it's pretty small. But It's really cool because no matter where you sit you are close to the band. And they get to headline and they play a full set of about 2 hours.
I understand why they want to get out in front of a big Def Leppard audience, but this is the first year that they are not coming to the Winery. And I don't want to see them as just an opening act with 7 songs!! So I really hope they eventually come back here, or at least somewhere close where they get to headline.

And Dennis hasn't come anywhere near N. California since 2004. I had to go to New Jersey to see him last year.
SO I get absolutely no Styx or Dennis concerts this year.

[cittadeeno23]

I agree with you on this one. Rush is one of the only bands who the critics don't love that still goes gold all the time.
They have dedicated fans and get almost no media attention, but keep selling records.

[styxfanNH]

They have played at the Mt. Winery up here in N. California several years in a row now since Dennis was kicked out. At least the last 5 years.
It is a small place that holds about 1-2K people. Maybe more, but it's pretty small. But It's really cool because no matter where you sit you are close to the band. And they get to headline and they play a full set of about 2 hours.
I understand why they want to get out in front of a big Def Leppard audience, but this is the first year that they are not coming to the Winery. And I don't want to see them as just an opening act with 7 songs!! So I really hope they eventually come back here, or at least somewhere close where they get to headline.

And Dennis hasn't come anywhere near N. California since 2004. I had to go to New Jersey to see him last year.
SO I get absolutely no Styx or Dennis concerts this year.

Neither one comes to New England very often. I had to go to ST Louis to see Dennis. Stood in the pouring rain for an hour waiting for him to come on. Went to Philly and Chicago to see Shaw Blades. And somewher in Illinois to see Styx. I feel your pain.

[cittadeeno23]

I hear ya!
In California, you need to live in Los Angeles to be guaranteed to see Styx or Dennis.
I suppose for you it must be New York.
Los Angeles is a 7 hour drive for me. Dennis' only west coast appearance was in San Diego, and that is about 8 hours!
I suppose I could have flown down, but when you lose half your cash in a divorce, money becomes an issue!!

We shall see. Maybe Styx will add to their schedule. I doubt that Dennis will.

[stabbim]

I understand why they want to get out in front of a big Def Leppard audience, but this is the first year that they are not coming to the Winery. And I don't want to see them as just an opening act with 7 songs!! So I really hope they eventually come back here, or at least somewhere close where they get to headline.

But....just a little ways upthread, you opined....

Last time I checked WE pay your salaries. THE FANS!! Suck it up and give us what WE want!!

...and in today's other popular thread...

Was Larry resonsible for 35 million record sales? Did Larry Produce 4 consecutive triple platnum albums? Was Larry in the band in 1980 when a gallop poll announced that Styx was the most popular band in America? Did Larry write 8 top ten Billboard singles? Did Larry write epic songs like Castle Walls, I'm OK, Born For Adventure, The Grand Illusion and Queen of Spades?
The answers to those questions are: NO, Dennis Did!

If you feel that strongly about this, shouldn't you be voting with your wallet?

(and by the way, your answer to the first two of those questions is incorrect)

[styxfanNH]

Dennis will probably add dates closer to the US release of his cd. I think pretty much what we see with Styx is what they have planned for the year. Shaw Blades is tooling it up for November and December.

[cittadeeno23]

By the way Stabbim, good one!
Only I doubt they could all cram into that little Delorean!!

[cittadeeno23]

Wow, Did I finally hit a nerve??!!


I can like both Dennis and The Tommy/JY band and still vent a little!

I think it was the "Larry is Way Better than Dennis" thing that got me started!!

[stabbim]

Wow, Did I finally hit a nerve??!!

It was an honest question.

I can like both Dennis and The Tommy/JY band and still vent a little!

I'd say that lecturing men who grew up in blue collar neighborhoods on the south side of Chicago in the 1950s-60s on what constitutes a "real job" (with liberal use of CAPS, no less) goes beyond "venting a little" into ...well, a bit of a special place... but hey, it's your call.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I hear ya!
In California, you need to live in Los Angeles to be guaranteed to see Styx or Dennis.
I suppose for you it must be New York.
Los Angeles is a 7 hour drive for me. Dennis' only west coast appearance was in San Diego, and that is about 8 hours!
I suppose I could have flown down, but when you lose half your cash in a divorce, money becomes an issue!!

We shall see. Maybe Styx will add to their schedule. I doubt that Dennis will.

Move to Wisconsin and you can have the best of both worlds several times a year. Dennis will be here 3 times (so far) this year and Current Styx was here once, so far. A few years ago Current Styx played in Wisconsin 7 times in the summer, I think or was it 5? Anyhoo, if you need a Dennis or a Styx Fyx a few times a year, then move on over

[Grotelul]

Todd thinks he's in Megadeth.

Compared to the version of the band that put out Cornerstone, he is.

That would be the only Styx album to ever receive a Grammy nomination...

Yeah it was horrible.

Do you like every record that is nominated for a Grammy?

Every Styx cd I do.

My point being..just because it was nominated for a Grammy does not make it a great or good record. Popularity=quality? I think not.

I don't think you understand Grammy awards. Grammy's aren't about popularity or you would have the biggest selling albums always winnng grammy's - that isn't the case. In fact, there have been many album that did not garner lots of sales but still won Grammy award.

I stand corrected. You are right it is not a popularity contest but does Grammy nomination=quality? Milli Vanilli won a Grammy...i think that says quite a bit. This is from Wikipedia.....The winners, critics argue, would naturally reflect "the social, political and artistic preferences of the nominating and voting members." So in other words, a joke like most awards.

For me, Cornerstone along with Edge of the Century were the most disappointing first listens of any studio records from Styx.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I stand corrected. You are right it is not a popularity contest but does Grammy nomination=quality? Milli Vanilli won a Grammy...i think that says quite a bit. This is from Wikipedia.....The winners, critics argue, would naturally reflect "the social, political and artistic preferences of the nominating and voting members." So in other words, a joke like most awards.

For me, Cornerstone along with Edge of the Century were the most disappointing first listens of any studio records from Styx.

Milli Vanilli - LOL I don't even want to talk about the Grammy's!! Jethro Tull over Metallica? WTH??

Anyhoo.............
I love Cornerstone!! It brings me back to a lot of great memories when I would play that album over and over and over and over. I still love playing that album, oops, I mean cd now