Jimmy Fallon recreates Too Much Time Music Video

[Toph]

And you act like Mr. Objective when you are, in fact, a complete tool who knows absolutely nothing about the band or its inner workings, but like to act as if you are "in the know." You are clueless so stop with the act, ok?

You are the one that is claiming to have knowledge of the bands inner workings. It is YOU who has claimed to be "in the know" of information not privy to the public. Yet when called out to provide proof of such claim, YOU DON'T. Everything that I have discussed here is based on public knowledge. I NEVER claimed to have insider information. But YOU DID. So please go ahead and prove us all wrong and give us something that hasn't been made public. May guess is the next reply will contain nothing but the now infamous parroting of "Dennis wants a reunion". Hey Polly, wanna cracker?

You have a holier than thou tone to your posts and you act like you have the details. Trust me, you don't.

[Toph]

A naive person would take you at your word despite your insane displays of immaturity.

You are no insider. You may be a person or two closer to Dennis. But, you are not talking to him or anybody close enough to give to you any real "behind the scenes" info. You have been called on it many times and you don't know any more than anybody else.

Those who ARE on the inside don't act like you. They respect the artist to not act like an ass on his behalf in public. They know it reflects back on him, it's disrespectful to him, and bad business for everybody when a representative for DDY acts like an asshole on a forum that someone like Andrew owns. You ARE about as close to being "inside" as froyline...you think you are more important than you are, or that you know more than others. You don't.

People who are close, like Zan, for example, get tired of the bullshit and leave forums like this. They don't stir it even more. Suite is an example on the other side. She seemed to be able to get "behind the scenes" stuff from Dennis...but when froyline went wacko, she turned against him and told him he wasn't helping Dennis by being an ass. That is how people who are "in the know" act. People like you may be in contact with the people who ARE "behind the scenes", but you are NOT them.

You're a peon like everybody else. You can go off being your asshole self because you have nothing to lose. What is Dennis going to do if he sees you acting like this? It's not like he's going to cut you off - he isn't communicating with you in the first place. In fact, if I were Dennis, I'd probably ask Andrew to ban you to get you to shut up and stop make him look bad on Andrew's forum.

Ah....so much to digest and so much to throw back. Quite pathetic Monkey board. When you start quoting Zan who was NOT on the inside of anything except her own ego, then you've really lost me. You complain about my discussions yet you are just as bad or worse. And you would know all about being banned, wouldn't you?

[Toph]

By everything measurable, Dennis is more accomplished than Tommy. Damn Yankees never had a number 1 song. "High Enough" a Jack Blades composition where Tommy sang backup was their only top 10 single. And yes, it was a ballad. Familiar turf for Tommy. Singing backup on a song sung and written by the more talented member of the group.

Dennis also had a top 10 single solo. Did Tommy?

Get your facts straight. High Enough was written by both Jack and Tommy, with Nugent adding the guitar solo. Jack and Tommy have each stated that the song was written at Tommy's home in New York. Jack had the opening line and Tommy heard him singing it; Tommy asked Jack what it was, and Jack stated that he just had that part of it. Tommy told him that he had the rest of it, and they finished the song in half an hour. It was not a "Jack Blades composition" with Tommy merely "singing back up."

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Back in the day, I used to be in touch with Micky Jorgensen who knew Tommy and Jack about the same as Zan knows Glen. I wonder what she would say about this.

And, BTW, they presented what they had for "High Enough" to Ted..he said, "Do you know what that song needs?" They expected him to say it needs to have its throat slit and gutted and hung in the high noon sun. Instead, he says, "This..." and picks up his guitar starts wailing out a solo. Ted had nothing but good things to say about that song and defended it at times.

The bottom line is everything for DY was a team effort and it shows. The same as with Cyclorama.

So are you saying that Damn Yankees are as bad as Cyclorama? Doubt Jack Blades or Ted Nugent would like hearing that....

[Toph]

Not mean spirited. Just telling it like it is, sister. Sorry you can't handle it.

As far as the above examples, love how you can be so dismissive of all of them. It shows you hide your head in the sand. Oh and by the way those are just the public examples. Like I said, those are just the tip of the iceberg...

Toph, Toph, Toph. I am not dismissive of the examples you used. What I am dismissive of is the simple fact that they all happened DECADES ago and do not reflect the person he is TODAY. Can you understand that simple concept? Are you the exact same person you were 30 years ago? So, what tantrums has Tommy thrown TODAY? Or yesterday? You need to stop blowing shit out your ass and start backing up your ignorant statements. Proof, Toph. Bona fide, documented proof. Show us your credentials of "30+ years in the music business." Show us your proof of the inner workings of the Styx camp. Tell us about their court settlement and show the documents. Come on, Toph, we all want to know. Put up or shut the fuck up.

I will only comment on public tantrums. I cannot and will not discuss private off the record incidents.

[Monker]

Ah....so much to digest and so much to throw back. Quite pathetic Monkey board. When you start quoting Zan who was NOT on the inside of anything except her own ego, then you've really lost me. You complain about my discussions yet you are just as bad or worse. And you would know all about being banned, wouldn't you?

I have never, ever, claimed to have any "inside" knowledge about Styx, or any other band.

Zan knows and talks to Glen, as well as some of Styx' management. That's a fact.

The bottom line is you are all talk with nothing to show for it.

[Boomchild]

You have a holier than thou tone to your posts and you act like you have the details. Trust me, you don't.

You are such a pathetic individual. So where the details of this "insider" information you keep telling everyone here you have? Your talking out of your ass once again. Totally avoiding the questions calling you out. Actually, your not just pathetic, you are a bonafide LIAR. Now go ahead Parrot, PROVE US WRONG.

[Cassie May]

Not mean spirited. Just telling it like it is, sister. Sorry you can't handle it.

As far as the above examples, love how you can be so dismissive of all of them. It shows you hide your head in the sand. Oh and by the way those are just the public examples. Like I said, those are just the tip of the iceberg...

Toph, Toph, Toph. I am not dismissive of the examples you used. What I am dismissive of is the simple fact that they all happened DECADES ago and do not reflect the person he is TODAY. Can you understand that simple concept? Are you the exact same person you were 30 years ago? So, what tantrums has Tommy thrown TODAY? Or yesterday? You need to stop blowing shit out your ass and start backing up your ignorant statements. Proof, Toph. Bona fide, documented proof. Show us your credentials of "30+ years in the music business." Show us your proof of the inner workings of the Styx camp. Tell us about their court settlement and show the documents. Come on, Toph, we all want to know. Put up or shut the fuck up.

I will only comment on public tantrums. I cannot and will not discuss private off the record incidents.

Yep. Just what I thought. You know nothing.

[pinkfloyd1973]

This is why people who really know, like Sterling Whitaker and Allan Hirt don't come onto this board anymore. What's the point of arguing with people like Toph who really doesn't know anything?

[masque]

i guess where I stand on this is that I dont really care at all what tantrums were thrown.....who liked who, who despised who etc...

I think I'm a nice guy and have played music most of my life and barely made any money at it and yet me and all my bandmates spent most of our time at each other's throats.......I can't imagine having the fame and fortune that styx did and trying to get along. its pretty much the same for almost all bands. it's just a hard ass business and why any of us would be surprised that any of the guys might be hard to work with is to me something that isn't even news enough to warrant having a discussion about.

even bands or certain members that have been together for decades still can hate each other. queen really struggled with each other at times, but new they were better together than apart.

gene and paul really struggle with each other at times.

mick and keith freaking hate each other.

roger and pete dont care a great deal about each other these days.

so why is it a subject of constant debate and discussion on here that DDY and tommy and JY may not be the best of friends? they didn't grow up together.....they were brought together through business.

[Boomchild]

so why is it a subject of constant debate and discussion on here that DDY and tommy and JY may not be the best of friends? they didn't grow up together.....they were brought together through business.

Well the most recent round stems from the discussion\debate over a reunion with DDY. It's true that they were brought together by a business. With the exception of DDY, JP and CP who grew up in the same neighborhood. I don't think there is a debate that these guys weren't good friends outside of the business. It seems to me that they didn't hang out together outside of working together. Your right that this scenario is not exclusive to them. This situation occurs with many bands. From my point of view, it doesn't seem that these guys need to be together anymore to do what they enjoy and make a good living at it. JY and TS made their decision to part with DDY and I haven't seen anything that indicates that they want to change. It's been said here many, many times that we should be happy that we can still see these guys perform in any capacity.

[Archetype]

I'm absolutely confident that if we all adhere to the revolutionary and brilliant Juche philosophy of our Eternal Leader comrade Kim Il Sung, these petty quarrels can be negated.

[masque]

so why is it a subject of constant debate and discussion on here that DDY and tommy and JY may not be the best of friends? they didn't grow up together.....they were brought together through business.

Well the most recent round stems from the discussion\debate over a reunion with DDY. It's true that they were brought together by a business. With the exception of DDY, JP and CP who grew up in the same neighborhood. I don't think there is a debate that these guys weren't good friends outside of the business. It seems to me that they didn't hang out together outside of working together. Your right that this scenario is not exclusive to them. This situation occurs with many bands. From my point of view, it doesn't seem that these guys need to be together anymore to do what they enjoy and make a good living at it. JY and TS made their decision to part with DDY and I haven't seen anything that indicates that they want to change. It's been said here many, many times that we should be happy that we can still see these guys perform in any capacity.

100% correct. how many of people on this board have ever been divorced? how many people do you know that got divorced? I'm sure for those of us that actually went through a divorce know all too well that that the inner workings of a marriage are quite different than what your family or friends see.

I have seen friends get divorced and I just couldn't understand why.....and then you have a few conversations about their private lives and you suddenly understand much better.

to me, a band, or styx in particular, was basically an arranged marriage.....or at least the union of DDY, TS and JY. therefore, once it went sour tree isn't a great deal of "lifelong love" to hold it together. and while it makes sense to all of us, or most of us that we want to see them do one more tour, or record one more album together, because it "just makes sense" or they need to aside "their petty differences" then I ask this question; how many of you would be willing to go hang out with your X spouse at Xmas with the x-in laws? sometimes, there is just too much water under the bridge.

and much like a marriage that stays together because of the kids or money, I'm sure styx stayed together at times because of the money. But once the final split took place, they have apparently all figured out a way to make a sufficient living enough to not be willing to jump in bed again and that's not surprising.

I still think there is about a 30% chance that there will be at least one last short tour or a couple of farewell shows or something like that. I dont think the chance is zero.....but far from likely.

[yogi]

That's why I have ALWAYS said that Dr Phil should be the one that gets them back together

[Boomchild]

and much like a marriage that stays together because of the kids or money, I'm sure styx stayed together at times because of the money. But once the final split took place, they have apparently all figured out a way to make a sufficient living enough to not be willing to jump in bed again and that's not surprising.

I think that is the main point when it comes to discussing a reunion. They don't need to work together to earn a living anymore. They no longer need to produce albums together to make money. Both camps can earn a living off of the material they have already created. That is where the money is now. It's not in putting out new material or having all members in the same group to make money.

[Monker]

and much like a marriage that stays together because of the kids or money, I'm sure styx stayed together at times because of the money. But once the final split took place, they have apparently all figured out a way to make a sufficient living enough to not be willing to jump in bed again and that's not surprising.

I think that is the main point when it comes to discussing a reunion. They don't need to work together to earn a living anymore. They no longer need to produce albums together to make money. Both camps can earn a living off of the material they have already created. That is where the money is now. It's not in putting out new material or having all members in the same group to make money.

And, just like an ex, they may not want to take the chance of their partner falling back to old ways and issues, like said partner did the last time they tried to get back together.

[Boomchild]

And, just like an ex, they may not want to take the chance of their partner falling back to old ways and issues, like said partner did the last time they tried to get back together.

And, the reality is that the reunion already happened and didn't last. I'm fairly sure that is their thinking on the matter.

[masque]

yep to all of the last few posts!

[Toph]

Ah....so much to digest and so much to throw back. Quite pathetic Monkey board. When you start quoting Zan who was NOT on the inside of anything except her own ego, then you've really lost me. You complain about my discussions yet you are just as bad or worse. And you would know all about being banned, wouldn't you?

I have never, ever, claimed to have any "inside" knowledge about Styx, or any other band.

Zan knows and talks to Glen, as well as some of Styx' management. That's a fact.

The bottom line is you are all talk with nothing to show for it.

Zan is so biased its not even funny. She has never forgiven DDY because he didn't bow down and kiss her ring...She has no credibility. And, last I checked, Burtnik hasn't been a part of either faction in years.

[Toph]

You have a holier than thou tone to your posts and you act like you have the details. Trust me, you don't.

You are such a pathetic individual. So where the details of this "insider" information you keep telling everyone here you have? Your talking out of your ass once again. Totally avoiding the questions calling you out. Actually, your not just pathetic, you are a bonafide LIAR. Now go ahead Parrot, PROVE US WRONG.

No, because I have a level of trust with some people and I'm not going to violate that with a bunch of losers of a fan board.

[Toph]

Toph, Toph, Toph. I am not dismissive of the examples you used. What I am dismissive of is the simple fact that they all happened DECADES ago and do not reflect the person he is TODAY. Can you understand that simple concept? Are you the exact same person you were 30 years ago? So, what tantrums has Tommy thrown TODAY? Or yesterday? You need to stop blowing shit out your ass and start backing up your ignorant statements. Proof, Toph. Bona fide, documented proof. Show us your credentials of "30+ years in the music business." Show us your proof of the inner workings of the Styx camp. Tell us about their court settlement and show the documents. Come on, Toph, we all want to know. Put up or shut the fuck up.

I will only comment on public tantrums. I cannot and will not discuss private off the record incidents.

Yep. Just what I thought. You know nothing.[/quote]

You wish I knew nothing. I know so much about the entire situation it would blow your mind.

[Toph]

This is why people who really know, like Sterling Whitaker and Allan Hirt don't come onto this board anymore. What's the point of arguing with people like Toph who really doesn't know anything?

Allan Hirt is clueless. Sterling interviewed some people associated with the band and has some legitimacy, but none of the key players would talk to him, so everything he writes has second/third person bias associated with it, not to mention the agendas of each of the individuals. Where Sterling screwed up was in not hiring an editor. That book was 3x the length it should have been. Too many quotes that are straight quotes that don't advance the dialog. In short, that book was more about assembling quotes from secondary and tertiary sources vs. providing a dialog. And the most disappointing thing? Most of the book was about the years post Kilroy, where, with the exception of a few short periods of relevance were mostly members of the band desperately trying to be solo stars (none of whom were successful for various reasons). He should have devoted much more time/effort to the glory years, but that wouldn't sell books now would it?

[Toph]

so why is it a subject of constant debate and discussion on here that DDY and tommy and JY may not be the best of friends? they didn't grow up together.....they were brought together through business.

Well the most recent round stems from the discussion\debate over a reunion with DDY. It's true that they were brought together by a business. With the exception of DDY, JP and CP who grew up in the same neighborhood. I don't think there is a debate that these guys weren't good friends outside of the business. It seems to me that they didn't hang out together outside of working together. Your right that this scenario is not exclusive to them. This situation occurs with many bands. From my point of view, it doesn't seem that these guys need to be together anymore to do what they enjoy and make a good living at it. JY and TS made their decision to part with DDY and I haven't seen anything that indicates that they want to change. It's been said here many, many times that we should be happy that we can still see these guys perform in any capacity.

Nope, not when one of them wants a reunion.

[Toph]

and much like a marriage that stays together because of the kids or money, I'm sure styx stayed together at times because of the money. But once the final split took place, they have apparently all figured out a way to make a sufficient living enough to not be willing to jump in bed again and that's not surprising.

I think that is the main point when it comes to discussing a reunion. They don't need to work together to earn a living anymore. They no longer need to produce albums together to make money. Both camps can earn a living off of the material they have already created. That is where the money is now. It's not in putting out new material or having all members in the same group to make money.

Oh so now you have an idea of the financial situation of each member? Please share!

[Toph]

and much like a marriage that stays together because of the kids or money, I'm sure styx stayed together at times because of the money. But once the final split took place, they have apparently all figured out a way to make a sufficient living enough to not be willing to jump in bed again and that's not surprising.

I think that is the main point when it comes to discussing a reunion. They don't need to work together to earn a living anymore. They no longer need to produce albums together to make money. Both camps can earn a living off of the material they have already created. That is where the money is now. It's not in putting out new material or having all members in the same group to make money.

And, just like an ex, they may not want to take the chance of their partner falling back to old ways and issues, like said partner did the last time they tried to get back together.

You mean the partner that ruined their career with his blow habit and temper tantrums? That must be who you are speaking about right?

[Toph]

And, just like an ex, they may not want to take the chance of their partner falling back to old ways and issues, like said partner did the last time they tried to get back together.

And, the reality is that the reunion already happened and didn't last. I'm fairly sure that is their thinking on the matter.

Because the blow addict and the crypt keeper decided to kick out the founding member?

[Boomchild]

No, because I have a level of trust with some people and I'm not going to violate that with a bunch of losers of a fan board.

Lies, lies and more lies. I've got to give you one thing, at least your consistent.

[Boomchild]

Nope, not when one of them wants a reunion.

Theie you go again. Polly wanna cracker?

The one that wants a reunion, is no longer a member of the band. Filed a lawsuit against the other members and settled out of court. Gave up his share of control of the partnership and is powerless. As he said: "It's not up to me". Somehow that doesn't compute in that mush in your skull. The ball is in TS and JY's court and by all public accounts they are not interested. Try again, fuck twit.

[Boomchild]

Oh so now you have an idea of the financial situation of each member? Please share!

It's got nothing to do with what their personal financial status. Obviously, you are INCREDIBLY stupid and cannot follow the narrative here. I'm speaking about the fact that since '99 TS, JY and CP have been able to operate the band without DDY and earn good money from it. Otherwise, they wouldn't continue to do it. Same for DDY.

[Boomchild]

Because the blow addict and the crypt keeper decided to kick out the founding member?

Exactly, they decided to not continue with DDY as part of the band. I as well as others may not like that FACT but that's reality. The main point here is that a reunion occurred and it is OVER. In that context, it doesn't matter who disconnected from who.

[gr8dane]

Nope, not when one of them wants a reunion.

Theie you go again. Polly wanna cracker?

The one that wants a reunion, is no longer a member of the band. Filed a lawsuit against the other members and settled out of court. Gave up his share of control of the partnership and is powerless. As he said: "It's not up to me". Somehow that doesn't compute in that mush in your skull. The ball is in TS and JY's court and by all public accounts they are not interested. Try again, fuck twit.

Me and some of the guys in Styx are bessy mates.I can't mention any names,but they say a reunion is not going to happen.
They have had enough of Dennis for at least 10 lifetimes.They rather make less money and be happy.I totally agree.