Youtube Shaw Blades @ Alice Cooper's Christmas Pudding

Paradise Theater

Moderator: Andrew

Youtube Shaw Blades @ Alice Cooper's Christmas Pudding

Postby styxfanNH » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:46 am

www.styxtoury.com
Concert Dates, articles, and more
styxfanNH
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3022
Joined: Sat May 01, 2004 5:39 am
Location: NH

Re: Youtube Shaw Blades @ Alice Cooper's Christmas Pudding

Postby froy » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:51 am



Simply pathetic
I have been a Yes fan for 30 years
This is the worst version I have ever heard of this great song
Shaw go to bed man.
froy
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 7376
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:48 am

Re: Youtube Shaw Blades @ Alice Cooper's Christmas Pudding

Postby shaka » Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:18 pm

froy wrote:


Simply pathetic
I have been a Yes fan for 30 years
This is the worst version I have ever heard of this great song
Shaw go to bed man.


I'm also a Yes fan and I think it's a VERY good performance. Froy, exactly what do you not like about the performance other than the fact that TS is singing? The guitars were on, the harmonies were great, and the lead vocal performance was awesome.

Once again, Froy shows his bias.
shaka
LP
 
Posts: 431
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:39 am

Re: Youtube Shaw Blades @ Alice Cooper's Christmas Pudding

Postby froy » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:38 am

shaka wrote:
froy wrote:


Simply pathetic
I have been a Yes fan for 30 years
This is the worst version I have ever heard of this great song
Shaw go to bed man.


I'm also a Yes fan and I think it's a VERY good performance. Froy, exactly what do you not like about the performance other than the fact that TS is singing? The guitars were on, the harmonies were great, and the lead vocal performance was awesome.

Once again, Froy shows his bias.


No bias at all
I have heard this song 100 times live
Shaw can't sing it right
Second of all why try to sing it the exact way of the original?
Thats called a copy cat
Same with California dreaming
He is just singing for money now
froy
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 7376
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:48 am

Postby sadie65 » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:19 am

There's 2 schools of thought on doing covers. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...in other words don't change a thing. The other is...why do an exact replica of something. Change it and make it your own. Neither is right or wrong.
Sadie
sadie65
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3037
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:08 am

Postby Zan » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:45 am

sadie65 wrote:There's 2 schools of thought on doing covers. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...in other words don't change a thing. The other is...why do an exact replica of something. Change it and make it your own. Neither is right or wrong.




Sadie, I usually enjoy your posts because you try to stay out of the petty BS...but this post is probably my favorite of all. As a cover singer, I can tell you that this is a line I tread on a regular basis, sometimes I go one way, sometimes another. It's really up to the individual and what she or he thinks best suits the song.
-Zan :)

believe me, i know my Styx

Image

Shiny things
User avatar
Zan
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3668
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:24 am
Location: PARADISE

Postby bugsymalone » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:51 am

sadie65 wrote:There's 2 schools of thought on doing covers. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...in other words don't change a thing. The other is...why do an exact replica of something. Change it and make it your own. Neither is right or wrong.


When you can sing as well as Tommy and Jack, I think any way they choose to sing the cover is fine with me. Their harmonies are beautiful.

I am one who generally prefers the original versions of songs, but when they are sung well by another performer, then I have no problem at all with it.

Thanks for posting these links, NH. I enjoyed them.

Bugsy
Change your hairdo. Change your name.
Congratulations! You're still the same.
User avatar
bugsymalone
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3803
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:37 am
Location: Texas

Re: Youtube Shaw Blades @ Alice Cooper's Christmas Pudding

Postby shaka » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:38 am

froy wrote:
No bias at all
Thats called a copy cat
Same with California dreaming
He is just singing for money now


It's called a cover or a tribute. Happens all the time.

Froy, your bias light is flashing.
shaka
LP
 
Posts: 431
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:39 am

Re: Youtube Shaw Blades @ Alice Cooper's Christmas Pudding

Postby froy » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:04 am

shaka wrote:
froy wrote:
No bias at all
Thats called a copy cat
Same with California dreaming
He is just singing for money now


It's called a cover or a tribute. Happens all the time.

Froy, your bias light is flashing.


Its called running out of ideas to make money so we copy someone elses idea.
I am a fan of Tommy Shaw but he is ruining his career as well as the STYX name
Somebody should talk some sense into this guy.
froy
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 7376
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:48 am

Postby styxfanNH » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:27 am

I really don't believe you believe your point Froy.

Dennis did his covers album in 1994, does this mean he ran out of ideas 12 years ago?

WHen BBT came out, your arguement was that 10 on Broadway was different because it was a solo album. Now Shaw does the same thing as a solo artist and he's run out of ideas?

From the short clips I've heard of the Shaw Blades album, it sounds pretty good.

10 on Broadway was a good album for Dennis, actually I wish if he wasn't going to record new music that he did more of the "10 on" theme. Rod Stewart is having a very successful back end of his career with the covers theme. When it gets down to it, I want to hear Dennis sing something. The same as I want to hear something new from Tommy - covers or not.
www.styxtoury.com
Concert Dates, articles, and more
styxfanNH
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3022
Joined: Sat May 01, 2004 5:39 am
Location: NH

Postby froy » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:42 am

styxfanNH wrote:I really don't believe you believe your point Froy.

Dennis did his covers album in 1994, does this mean he ran out of ideas 12 years ago?


Yes thats what it means
Also he did not do 2 covers in a row
Big difference
Covers cds mean your out of ideas
Dennis did not tour for his cover cd
Shaw can't stop .


WHen BBT came out, your arguement was that 10 on Broadway was different because it was a solo album.


True and it was something Dennis wanted to do not for touring money.



Now Shaw does the same thing as a solo artist and he's run out of ideas?


Yes and he wants his concert money
Probably now about 10 grand per show,.

From the short clips I've heard of the Shaw Blades album, it sounds pretty good.


Would you rather have that or Damm Yankees?
Case closed.


10 on Broadway was a good album for Dennis, actually I wish if he wasn't going to record new music that he did more of the "10 on" theme. Rod Stewart is having a very successful back end of his career with the covers theme. When it gets down to it, I want to hear Dennis sing something. The same as I want to hear something new from Tommy - covers or not.


Let me make it clear
Cover cds stink no matter who sings them.
Rod Stewart is a joke doing CCR and Bob Seger songs what a terrible idea
And he also is out of ideas
I saw his concert and he looked stupid in a tux singing Sinatra songs
froy
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 7376
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:48 am

Postby sadie65 » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:43 am

I believe Dennis did do some promotion for the cd and did do a few concerts so I think you could be wrong there Froy.
Sadie
sadie65
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3037
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:08 am

Postby froy » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:54 am

sadie65 wrote:I believe Dennis did do some promotion for the cd and did do a few concerts so I think you could be wrong there Froy.


1 show at the Park west I was there in fact I recorded it,
I almost grabbed his sun glasses of his keys
Styx did what 100 shows ?

I just found the setlist from the show here it is

Intro Db Grand Illusion FM
Where I Want To Be
Best of Times
Once Upon A Dream B
On The Street -D
Show Me The Way F
Summertime
Desert Moon
Pilots Dream
Someone Else
Babe on Piano
Lorelei
Sail Away
Lady
Great Balls of Fire
Last edited by froy on Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:06 am, edited 2 times in total.
froy
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 7376
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:48 am

Postby styxfanNH » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:57 am

I have a recording from 2003 of Summertime.

But they all are musicians and get most of there money from touring, so I can't see what your problem is with them doing whatever they care to in order to maintain their livelihood.
www.styxtoury.com
Concert Dates, articles, and more
styxfanNH
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3022
Joined: Sat May 01, 2004 5:39 am
Location: NH

Postby froy » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:00 am

styxfanNH wrote:I have a recording from 2003 of Summertime.

But they all are musicians and get most of there money from touring, so I can't see what your problem is with them doing whatever they care to in order to maintain their livelihood.


Singing for the love of music or singing for the love of money
You choose .
froy
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 7376
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:48 am

Postby styxfanNH » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:42 am

Well, I don't see any professional musician playing for free. Nature of the beast is if they are playing, they are being paid. Although in the videos you were criticizing they actually were playing for free - it's called charity.
www.styxtoury.com
Concert Dates, articles, and more
styxfanNH
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3022
Joined: Sat May 01, 2004 5:39 am
Location: NH

Postby sadie65 » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:58 am

Like it or not, any musician/entertainer who reaches the level of success that these men did (either together or solo) emphasises it's a business.

I am always amazed at how people can bend things to suit their own ideas. The myopia and double standards can be staggering.
Sadie
sadie65
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3037
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:08 am

Postby Zan » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:31 am

froy wrote:Singing for the love of music or singing for the love of money
You choose .



I do both every single week. If you can make money through making or performing music, go for it. No one's going to begrudge you the right to make a living at what you like doing, Froy. Think about that.
-Zan :)

believe me, i know my Styx

Image

Shiny things
User avatar
Zan
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3668
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:24 am
Location: PARADISE


Return to Styx

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 9 guests