The attendance is staggering

[Toph]

Wow. According to Billboard Boxscore - Styx, Foreigner, and Don Felder drew a massive crowd of 2,064 in Clearwater, FL on May 20. Wow!!!

The demand for this band is awesome...

[masque]

you know if i could hear you speak i imagine your voice sounding like the teacher from the old charlie brown cartoons.

[masque]

i think you suffer from the belief that people around actually believe any of the bands can draw worth a shit anymore……we ALL know that they ALL are nostalgia acts filled with band members that are in their 60's and some even in their 70's.

who the fuck wants to see these bands anymore except some of us and 2000 people in florida??????

toph you are 100% right….the demand for styx, foreigner, don felder, dennie deyoung, kansas, boston, cheap trick, reo speed wagon and on and on and on and on and on is all pretty much a fraction of what it was for these folks in their heyday. no argument from me or anyone else…….

so, whats your point? are you just wanting to state the obvious because you are not capable of stating anything else of any substance?

there are a handful or artists in the history of live rock and roll that can still draw crowds as large or larger than their heyday and we can likely count them on one hand……..styx/dennis deyoung is simply not one of those bands regardless of how much we all love them.

for fuck's sake deep purple is touring the states this year and playing fairs and casinos. and they are the mighty deep purple with over 100,000,000 album sales………at least three times as many albums as styx ever sold and certainly they have more of a worldwide appeal as styx and even they are playing fairs and casinos…….so what do you want toph? do you want all these guys to hang up their guitars because they can't play all the enormo domes across the nation?

if you don't like seeing any of it, don't buy a ticket and let those who still want a night of nostalgia go out and have some fun. if you don't know what fun is go google it. it could maybe change your life.

[Boomchild]

For God's sake give it a rest already will you. How many posts do you expect it to take till those that do not share your opinion to "cry uncle"? By now you should realize that it's never going to happen. In fact, since Styx and other classic rock acts have been hitting the road for so many years now I would expect to see the numbers decline. After a point, the casual fan is going to have their fill of "the same old shit over and over". So your only left with the diehards coming to see you. I wouldn't be surprised that if they staggered their touring they would be able to draw lager crowds and possibly make it more profitable. But, then again the clock is ticking so clearly it's is a rush to grab the cash as long as you can.

[masque]

^ yep

[Toph]

i think you suffer from the belief that people around actually believe any of the bands can draw worth a shit anymore……we ALL know that they ALL are nostalgia acts filled with band members that are in their 60's and some even in their 70's.

who the fuck wants to see these bands anymore except some of us and 2000 people in florida??????

toph you are 100% right….the demand for styx, foreigner, don felder, dennie deyoung, kansas, boston, cheap trick, reo speed wagon and on and on and on and on and on is all pretty much a fraction of what it was for these folks in their heyday. no argument from me or anyone else…….

so, whats your point? are you just wanting to state the obvious because you are not capable of stating anything else of any substance?

there are a handful or artists in the history of live rock and roll that can still draw crowds as large or larger than their heyday and we can likely count them on one hand……..styx/dennis deyoung is simply not one of those bands regardless of how much we all love them.

for fuck's sake deep purple is touring the states this year and playing fairs and casinos. and they are the mighty deep purple with over 100,000,000 album sales………at least three times as many albums as styx ever sold and certainly they have more of a worldwide appeal as styx and even they are playing fairs and casinos…….so what do you want toph? do you want all these guys to hang up their guitars because they can't play all the enormo domes across the nation?

if you don't like seeing any of it, don't buy a ticket and let those who still want a night of nostalgia go out and have some fun. if you don't know what fun is go google it. it could maybe change your life.

Wait a second, masque. Wasn't it you that was talking about how much better Styx draws than Dennis DeYoung? Seems to be they both draw about 2,000 when they perform...and that's with Styx sharing the stage with 2 other bands....

[Boomchild]

Let's say Toph that your viewpoint is right. In reality what does it change? Will those that enjoy the current Styx stop? Nope Will those that have an issue with DDY or his music change their minds. Nope Your posting as if this subject really matters to those posting here and is a reason for why they enjoy the current Styx, DDY or both. It doesn't. It's clear to me that TS, JY and DDY seem fine with what they are doing now. DDY seems to have things pretty good. He can tour when and where he wants, play whatever he wants, choose who he plays with and make all the decisions without having to compromise with anyone. I think they have all come to the conclusion that what once was can be no more and have moved on. For the sake of this conversation, would you really want DDY to return to Styx with how you feel about his former band mates?

[masque]

damn toph.........if you want to be a damn arguing fool then at least refer correctly to previous posts, otherwise the game is no fun.

trust me styx does draw more than ddy......the place in florida they just played only holds roughly 2100......so basically the show you talk about was sold out but you make it sound like it was a 2/3 empty building......obviously, the place has some relevancy to bands passing thru clearwater because acts like boston, rob thomas and santana have recently played there as well to similar capacity numbers.

the difference is that this was booked for this particular city.......perhaps that is all they could draw, perhaps other venues of larger size were already booked for something else.....who knows....maybe their managers felt they could make more money filling up a smaller place than booking a larger facility and only selling 4-5 thousand tickets and having part of the room empty.

who knows?

but if you will refer back to the videos I posted pertaining to attendance you can see that in several of the cases they are playing to nice crowds in venues much larger than a maximum capacity of 2100.

you know it, i know it but you want to think that those around are too dumb to realize that......unfortunately for you, that is simply not the case.

and o-n-c-e a-g-a-i-n I will say who gives a flying fuck how many people ANY of these artists can draw anymore? why does it matter so much for you? as long as ddy or styx or forigner or whoever is capable of drawing enough to make it worth their while to play then great for them.

[Toph]

damn toph.........if you want to be a damn arguing fool then at least refer correctly to previous posts, otherwise the game is no fun.

trust me styx does draw more than ddy......the place in florida they just played only holds roughly 2100......so basically the show you talk about was sold out but you make it sound like it was a 2/3 empty building......obviously, the place has some relevancy to bands passing thru clearwater because acts like boston, rob thomas and santana have recently played there as well to similar capacity numbers.

the difference is that this was booked for this particular city.......perhaps that is all they could draw, perhaps other venues of larger size were already booked for something else.....who knows....maybe their managers felt they could make more money filling up a smaller place than booking a larger facility and only selling 4-5 thousand tickets and having part of the room empty.

who knows?

but if you will refer back to the videos I posted pertaining to attendance you can see that in several of the cases they are playing to nice crowds in venues much larger than a maximum capacity of 2100.

you know it, i know it but you want to think that those around are too dumb to realize that......unfortunately for you, that is simply not the case.

and o-n-c-e a-g-a-i-n I will say who gives a flying fuck how many people ANY of these artists can draw anymore? why does it matter so much for you? as long as ddy or styx or forigner or whoever is capable of drawing enough to make it worth their while to play then great for them.

If they could draw more than 2000, I'm sure Brusco would be booking them at a larger venue. Point is, they can't. I'm going by Billboard Boxscore, the official concert counter. Not going by fan videos. The only other concert attendance reported by Boxscore were in Alabama, where in fact the venue was < 1/2 full. Styx and DDY draw about the same. Deal with it.

[yogi]

Comparing Apples to Apples & Oranges to Oranges you have to go back to last August(6-12-13) where Dennis sold out an Arby's( during their early bird 2 for 1 Beef & chedder special night- Wed 4-6pm) in St. Cloud MN. On the same night Styx's attendance at a nearby Burger King was 1/2 of DDY's in the BK main lobby. Styx did argue that BK playground section was completely sold out and they are aiming for the much younger crowd.

There is some validity to Styx's argument.

** Drive thru attendance was not counted, but there was a wreck at the Burger King drive thru that added to Styx's attendance

[masque]

damn toph.........if you want to be a damn arguing fool then at least refer correctly to previous posts, otherwise the game is no fun.

trust me styx does draw more than ddy......the place in florida they just played only holds roughly 2100......so basically the show you talk about was sold out but you make it sound like it was a 2/3 empty building......obviously, the place has some relevancy to bands passing thru clearwater because acts like boston, rob thomas and santana have recently played there as well to similar capacity numbers.

the difference is that this was booked for this particular city.......perhaps that is all they could draw, perhaps other venues of larger size were already booked for something else.....who knows....maybe their managers felt they could make more money filling up a smaller place than booking a larger facility and only selling 4-5 thousand tickets and having part of the room empty.

who knows?

but if you will refer back to the videos I posted pertaining to attendance you can see that in several of the cases they are playing to nice crowds in venues much larger than a maximum capacity of 2100.

you know it, i know it but you want to think that those around are too dumb to realize that......unfortunately for you, that is simply not the case.

and o-n-c-e a-g-a-i-n I will say who gives a flying fuck how many people ANY of these artists can draw anymore? why does it matter so much for you? as long as ddy or styx or forigner or whoever is capable of drawing enough to make it worth their while to play then great for them.

If they could draw more than 2000, I'm sure Brusco would be booking them at a larger venue. Point is, they can't. I'm going by Billboard Boxscore, the official concert counter. Not going by fan videos. The only other concert attendance reported by Boxscore were in Alabama, where in fact the venue was < 1/2 full. Styx and DDY draw about the same. Deal with it.

sigh

[Toph]

Big night in New Hampshire on July 3...4,600 paid to see three bands.....A few more nights like that added up and we'd be equal to one night of the Return to Paradise Tour....

[Boomchild]

Big night in New Hampshire on July 3...4,600 paid to see three bands.....A few more nights like that added up and we'd be equal to one night of the Return to Paradise Tour....

I'm pretty sure the attendance numbers on the RTP tour was due more to the fact that Styx had not performed together in years. Plus Tommy had returned to the fold. I doubt they would be able to draw numbers like that now. Even thought the classic line up is no longer intact they have been doing show after show, year after year for the past several years. There's nothing special about it. Even if DDY was to return to the fold and they reverted back to a more traditional set list it wouldn't change much. Were talking about an act that is in it's twilight stage.

[Toph]

Big night in New Hampshire on July 3...4,600 paid to see three bands.....A few more nights like that added up and we'd be equal to one night of the Return to Paradise Tour....

I'm pretty sure the attendance numbers on the RTP tour was due more to the fact that Styx had not performed together in years. Plus Tommy had returned to the fold. I doubt they would be able to draw numbers like that now. Even thought the classic line up is no longer intact they have been doing show after show, year after year for the past several years. There's nothing special about it. Even if DDY was to return to the fold and they reverted back to a more traditional set list it wouldn't change much. Were talking about an act that is in it's twilight stage.

I disagree. If they engaged in a big marketing campaign "Dennis is BACK!" - I believe they could do as well as they did during RTP.

[Boomchild]

I disagree. If they engaged in a big marketing campaign "Dennis is BACK!" - I believe they could do as well as they did during RTP.

It's obvious that you do. It's not 1996 anymore and both acts have been out there performing for years now. I think that your assumption that there is a huge percentage of fans not going to Styx shows simply because of the absence of DDY is over estimated. If it wasn't, you would hear and read people talking about it. Especially in this day and age with bloggers, critics and social media.

[masque]

dennis being back would help attendance for all involved……but would never get them back to the 96 reunion tour. they may go from 4000 per night to 5000-6000 per night and in some cities maybe even do slightly better but that would be about it based on how you see other similar bands draw.

[Monker]

Big night in New Hampshire on July 3...4,600 paid to see three bands.....A few more nights like that added up and we'd be equal to one night of the Return to Paradise Tour....

I'm pretty sure the attendance numbers on the RTP tour was due more to the fact that Styx had not performed together in years. Plus Tommy had returned to the fold. I doubt they would be able to draw numbers like that now. Even thought the classic line up is no longer intact they have been doing show after show, year after year for the past several years. There's nothing special about it. Even if DDY was to return to the fold and they reverted back to a more traditional set list it wouldn't change much. Were talking about an act that is in it's twilight stage.

If DDY returned to Styx, I'm sure they would have one big tour and then degrade quickly to where they are now.

[Monker]

dennis being back would help attendance for all involved……but would never get them back to the 96 reunion tour. they may go from 4000 per night to 5000-6000 per night and in some cities maybe even do slightly better but that would be about it based on how you see other similar bands draw.

I agree...they would sell about as well as Journey does today...and then sales would start declining fast to what they are today. People, both DDY and Styx fans, have seen these songs as often as they have wanted to over the years. The nostalgia to see them together would sell some extra tickets for the first tour...but nostalgia doesn't last forever - ask Journey.