About Arnel Pineda...and the Journey Forums

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

OH, JUST FABULOUS PUBLICITY FOR THIS BOARD, THANKS EVERYONE...

You should have deleted those posts mate...they were quite offensive.

[T-Bone]

To address everyone here that thinks that thier opinions are under attack: NO ONES OPINION is under attack, BUT... The way it's delivered, and sometimes over and over and over and over and over, day after day after day after week after week is what's getting annoying. The horse is dead, you can quit kicking it any time now. And when "said" opinion is worded badly to begin with and then posted over and over on the boards makes it look even that much worse. It only takes a few threads with the same people replying in EVERY one of them with the same type of responses for the board to get out of hand and make the problem look much worse than it is. I'm not just referring to the Arnel thing either. It's been on MANY subjects over the last couple years. Look over your right or left shoulder... real life is thattaway! Journey is not life.


Every person here has a right to their opinion and stating it, but always consider the delivery and who you're representing here as well as his "house"

[Saint John]

jss refers to himself as being puerto rican... have yet to see him call himself american... even tho he is because he was born here. jss embraces his heritage. his parents were both born in puerto rico... if they wouldn't have come to america jeff would have been born in puerto rico... making him "non-american". if that were the case would some people be upset (like they are with the fact that arnel (a filo) could possibly get the gig with j) because journey hired a non-amercian. same could be said about steve perry... he could have easily been born in portugal... if his parents didn't come to this country. does it really matter? if the guy can sing hire him... shouldn't matter where he comes from. the accent can be worked on... with voice lessons... and you have to admit... arnel is the asian sp! }=C))

i hope he does get the gig. tho i won't be going to anymore j shows i'll be watching youtube. };C)

1) If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. That's the answer to your "if Jeff had not been born here" question.
2) MOST importantly, he does NOT have an accent.
3) Arnel is not the Asian SP. I don't think he sounds anything like him....similar range, but that's about it. I love the way people can so easily forget what a great ARTIST Perry was and trivialize his contribution to music by lumping him together with a lounge act.

[T-Bone]

OH, JUST FABULOUS PUBLICITY FOR THIS BOARD, THANKS EVERYONE...

You should have deleted those posts mate...they were quite offensive.

People cry when their posts get deleted, even when it's explained to them why. All they think of is "Freedom Of Speech" and they don't consider who's board it is and what he asks of people. He doesn't ask much of them, but they can't even oblige him of the very few things he asks of people

[treetopovskaya]

jss refers to himself as being puerto rican... have yet to see him call himself american... even tho he is because he was born here. jss embraces his heritage. his parents were both born in puerto rico... if they wouldn't have come to america jeff would have been born in puerto rico... making him "non-american". if that were the case would some people be upset (like they are with the fact that arnel (a filo) could possibly get the gig with j) because journey hired a non-amercian. same could be said about steve perry... he could have easily been born in portugal... if his parents didn't come to this country. does it really matter? if the guy can sing hire him... shouldn't matter where he comes from. the accent can be worked on... with voice lessons... and you have to admit... arnel is the asian sp! }=C))

i hope he does get the gig. tho i won't be going to anymore j shows i'll be watching youtube. };C)

You do realize that people born in Puerto Rico are United States citizens, right?

Well, that didn't help JSS get signed up with a major band/label. According to him, he wasn't able to land a big gig after the Malmsteen days because he didn't look American enough. He came across the same attitudes we're seeing right now about Arnel.

exactly! }:C)

[STORY_TELLER]

You know, if anything, we should all be protesting the article and the 'reporter' who wrote it. It's wildly inaccurate and paints us all with one brush, blaming us all for the posts of a few (racist) morons.

As I said, for me, I just don't think the guy has what it takes to tour the catalogue. I mean seriously, the link in the article to his rendition of Open Arms highlight's my point. He barely made it through the song with his chords intact. Listen to it, you can hear his voice crack in the third verse and he cuts the notes short from that point forward. He's going to tour the dirty dozen?? He'd be toast inside two months.

I used to care about what new Journey material would sound like with yet another singer (and this guy just doesn't have 'it' on new material. His vocals are soulless like Augeri's), but it's clear to me now that Neal and Jon's real interest is in touring the GH album until they can't do it anymore. For the most part, they've resigned themselves to being an oldies act. Maybe they'll dabble in a new album once in a while and force us to buy it by building it into the ticket price ala Generations, but their hearts aren't into it. That's clear with the creative choices they've made to date. Just give them a frontman who can hit the notes, do what he's told and not outshine them and they're happy.

Pretty sad-

[treetopovskaya]

jss refers to himself as being puerto rican... have yet to see him call himself american... even tho he is because he was born here. jss embraces his heritage. his parents were both born in puerto rico... if they wouldn't have come to america jeff would have been born in puerto rico... making him "non-american". if that were the case would some people be upset (like they are with the fact that arnel (a filo) could possibly get the gig with j) because journey hired a non-amercian. same could be said about steve perry... he could have easily been born in portugal... if his parents didn't come to this country. does it really matter? if the guy can sing hire him... shouldn't matter where he comes from. the accent can be worked on... with voice lessons... and you have to admit... arnel is the asian sp! }=C))

i hope he does get the gig. tho i won't be going to anymore j shows i'll be watching youtube. };C)

1) If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. That's the answer to your "if Jeff had not been born here" question.
2) MOST importantly, he does NOT have an accent.
3) Arnel is not the Asian SP. I don't think he sounds anything like him....similar range, but that's about it. I love the way people can so easily forget what a great ARTIST Perry was and trivialize his contribution to music by lumping him together with a lounge act.

was just trying to make a point. some seem to be so upset that j is even considering hiring someone not born in america. both sp & jss could have easily been born in different countries. arnel's accent should be mute... that can be taken care of with proper training. most people lose their accents when they sing. arnel just needs to enunciate certain words better.

[CatEyes]

and paints us all with one brush,

that is what happens here on a regular basis.

ALL BT'ers are the same.
ALL fans of SP are the same.
ALL newbies are fat donut eating BT''ers

at least that is how people are portrayed -

maybe there is a lesson in this.

Cat

P.S. Euros are on their own

[LAWoman]

jss refers to himself as being puerto rican... have yet to see him call himself american... even tho he is because he was born here. jss embraces his heritage. his parents were both born in puerto rico... if they wouldn't have come to america jeff would have been born in puerto rico... making him "non-american". if that were the case would some people be upset (like they are with the fact that arnel (a filo) could possibly get the gig with j) because journey hired a non-amercian. same could be said about steve perry... he could have easily been born in portugal... if his parents didn't come to this country. does it really matter? if the guy can sing hire him... shouldn't matter where he comes from. the accent can be worked on... with voice lessons... and you have to admit... arnel is the asian sp! }=C))

i hope he does get the gig. tho i won't be going to anymore j shows i'll be watching youtube. };C)

You do realize that people born in Puerto Rico are United States citizens, right?

Well, that didn't help JSS get signed up with a major band/label. According to him, he wasn't able to land a big gig after the Malmsteen days because he didn't look American enough. He came across the same attitudes we're seeing right now about Arnel.

exactly! }:C)

That wasn't your point at all, so I'm not sure what that "exactly" is meant to signify. I never heard one Journey fan criticize JSS because he didn't look "American enough."

The argument that Journey is an "American band" and that's why Arnel should not be in it is ridiculous. Perry, Neal, Deen, Steve Augeri are all pretty ethnic looking and proudly so. Arnel is the wrong minority for this crowd. Whoever wrote that article had it pegged--there were some racist comments being thrown about and everyone knows it. Packpeddling now doesn't change it.

[nolippin]

You know, if anything, we should all be protesting the article and the 'reporter' who wrote it. It's wildly inaccurate and paints us all with one brush, blaming us all for the posts of a few (racist) morons.

Why protest the reporter or the article? He reported what he saw in regards to the two boards that he mentioned. We've all been painted with the same brush because we've allowed the loudmouthed racist morons among us to go unchallenged. When you sit back and say nothing for fear of being "unpopular" here or having the wrath turned on you then, IMO, you are condoning what is being said and deserve to be painted with the same brush.

However, I also agree that the threads should have not only been locked but deleted.

[Lady Luck]

You know, if anything, we should all be protesting the article and the 'reporter' who wrote it. It's wildly inaccurate and paints us all with one brush, blaming us all for the posts of a few (racist) morons.

Guilt by association unfortunately.

[Red13JoePa]

Why protest the reporter or the article?

Because he referred to the posters as "racist Journey fans."

Duh.

[PROPERRY]

You know, if anything, we should all be protesting the article and the 'reporter' who wrote it. It's wildly inaccurate and paints us all with one brush, blaming us all for the posts of a few (racist) morons.

Why protest the reporter or the article? He reported what he saw in regards to the two boards that he mentioned. We've all been painted with the same brush because we've allowed the loudmouthed racist morons among us to go unchallenged. When you sit back and say nothing for fear of being "unpopular" here or having the wrath turned on you then, IMO, you are condoning what is being said and deserve to be painted with the same brush.

However, I also agree that the threads should have not only been locked but deleted.

I agree with your post whole heartely nolippin! I didn't participate in any of the threads that bashed him, and I certainly didn't agree with the way Anel was being treated in those threads either, but I still SHOULD have spoken up for him. That was MY wrong doing!

I don't know if Anel is going to read this board, but I'm going to go ahead and put MY apology on the board anyway, just in case he does. I want him to know that I'm sorry that all those awful things got said about him ,and I'm sorry that I didn't come to your defense in those terrible threads that were being posted about you. I know that must of hurt you and your family so badly to see all that on the boards. You did NOT deserve to be treated like that at all! I hope you can forgive a total stranger for not speaking up on your behalf.

Best wishes to you Anel in whatever you do!

[STORY_TELLER]

You know, if anything, we should all be protesting the article and the 'reporter' who wrote it. It's wildly inaccurate and paints us all with one brush, blaming us all for the posts of a few (racist) morons.

Why protest the reporter or the article? He reported what he saw in regards to the two boards that he mentioned. We've all been painted with the same brush because we've allowed the loudmouthed racist morons among us to go unchallenged. When you sit back and say nothing for fear of being "unpopular" here or having the wrath turned on you then, IMO, you are condoning what is being said and deserve to be painted with the same brush.

Because it wasn't a balanced report. He reported what he saw a few people say and as most reporters do, he stuck with what would be sensational and/or controversial reporting. He could have easily pointed out there were those who lambasted those posts for the ignorant rants they were. I for one happened to be one of those who called out racists remarks when I saw it. There was one thread in particular on this board titled as an 'interview with Arnel' which was fake and openly racist. Every responder (myself included) slammed the post as such and I think the thread was even removed. So there were posters who challenged those kinds of remarks.

That's why a protest should be issued. It's not okay to paint an entire community with one brush when there's evidence to the contrary. Reporters have a responsibility to accuracy in what they say because what they say influences the opinions of those who read what they write.

[Playitloudforme]

I didn't like Arnel because of his poor breath control, however, this reporter took a small number of opinions, blew it out to be "everyone" on the board, and that is misrepresentation. But... it is what gets an editor's attention and sells. Perhaps he's trying for a gig at TMZ.com.

A rebuttal is in order, to be sure.

Put together a group of 100 people, and yeah....you are going to find a handful of people who are not PC. That's not the majority. Unforunately, that handful was vocal.

[styxman]

I'm sick of this PC shit, what is it now, we can't have a laugh at someone's expense anymore. I'm sure Arnel would find some of the remarks funny just as I do at the Euro bashing and yellow teeth...keep this word Racism off the board as I'm warning you I'm pretty pissed off by the way it's thrown about. (Fuckin' do gooders)

I'll abide by whatever T Bone and Drew say but please for fuck's sake no more Racist labelling.

[yak]

I don't know if Anel is going to read this board, but I'm going to go ahead and put MY apology on the board anyway, just in case he does. I want him to know that I'm sorry that all those awful things got said about him ,and I'm sorry that I didn't come to your defense in those terrible threads that were being posted about you. I know that must of hurt you and your family so badly to see all that on the boards. You did NOT deserve to be treated like that at all! I hope you can forgive a total stranger for not speaking up on your behalf.

Best wishes to you Anel in whatever you do!

So, Lori, does that mean if Arnel is the chosen one, you will be running to see him in concert?

Or are you still pining for the elusive one, in the hopes that he will one day return?

[conversationpc]

I didn't like Arnel because of his poor breath control...

A singer can have poor breath control and still have a great voice. Steve Walsh was a good example of that. The guy had one of the best voices in rock back in the 70s but his technique was poor and led to vocal problems down the road.

[Panther]

and paints us all with one brush,

that is what happens here on a regular basis.

ALL BT'ers are the same.
ALL fans of SP are the same.
ALL newbies are fat donut eating BT''ers

at least that is how people are portrayed -

maybe there is a lesson in this.

Cat

P.S. Euros are on their own

Yo Cat! Pass the donuts. I think I'm a couple pounds shy of the fat designation for new posters!

On topic..... Arnel would do best to go it solo, either here in the states or Europe - find a co-writer, hit the smaller venues and I think in 5 years time he'd do great for himself. That voice has great potential, and aligning it with this particular band would run it into the ground before its prime.

[CatEyes]

and paints us all with one brush,

that is what happens here on a regular basis.

ALL BT'ers are the same.
ALL fans of SP are the same.
ALL newbies are fat donut eating BT''ers

at least that is how people are portrayed -

maybe there is a lesson in this.

Cat

P.S. Euros are on their own

Yo Cat! Pass the donuts. I think I'm a couple pounds shy of the fat designation for new posters!

Creme filled or jelly?

[Saint John]

jss refers to himself as being puerto rican... have yet to see him call himself american... even tho he is because he was born here. jss embraces his heritage. his parents were both born in puerto rico... if they wouldn't have come to america jeff would have been born in puerto rico... making him "non-american". if that were the case would some people be upset (like they are with the fact that arnel (a filo) could possibly get the gig with j) because journey hired a non-amercian. same could be said about steve perry... he could have easily been born in portugal... if his parents didn't come to this country. does it really matter? if the guy can sing hire him... shouldn't matter where he comes from. the accent can be worked on... with voice lessons... and you have to admit... arnel is the asian sp! }=C))

i hope he does get the gig. tho i won't be going to anymore j shows i'll be watching youtube. };C)

1) If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. That's the answer to your "if Jeff had not been born here" question.
2) MOST importantly, he does NOT have an accent.
3) Arnel is not the Asian SP. I don't think he sounds anything like him....similar range, but that's about it. I love the way people can so easily forget what a great ARTIST Perry was and trivialize his contribution to music by lumping him together with a lounge act.

was just trying to make a point. some seem to be so upset that j is even considering hiring someone not born in america. both sp & jss could have easily been born in different countries. arnel's accent should be mute... that can be taken care of with proper training. most people lose their accents when they sing. arnel just needs to enunciate certain words better.

Fair enough, I see your point. However, I DO still hear his accent in the songs and it's a bit unsettling. For me, his accent is the same thing as missing a note. It just doesn't sound right. So for me, it's like listening to the song with a bunch of missed notes. That's not something I want in my favorite band. He could be from Rwanda, blacker than Wesley Snipes and have one eye, and I wouldn't give a shit. Just hit the notes, sing with some soul and don't have an accent.

[Playitloudforme]

I didn't like Arnel because of his poor breath control...

A singer can have poor breath control and still have a great voice. Steve Walsh was a good example of that. The guy had one of the best voices in rock back in the 70s but his technique was poor and led to vocal problems down the road.

I'm not crazy about Steve Walsh either... Sorry... Perry definitely spoiled me and my ears. The man was a trained singer from the getgo, and that level of control is, in my opinion, necessary to do the songs justice.

[T-Bone]

I'm sick of this PC shit, what is it now, we can't have a laugh at someone's expense anymore. I'm sure Arnel would find some of the remarks funny just as I do at the Euro bashing and yellow teeth...keep this word Racism off the board as I'm warning you I'm pretty pissed off by the way it's thrown about. (Fuckin' do gooders)

I'll abide by whatever T Bone and Drew say but please for fuck's sake no more Racist labelling.

That may be the way YOU feel, but you have to realize the amount of people that only lurk here or have only read here for the first time and if the first thing they see is what seems to be the entire board picking on some guys culture, accent, race, etc... it's the board that somehow labeled itself "racist". I'll all for a good joke or a burn on someone, but those usually only work in the company of people you know and that know you. "Outsiders" don't understand the type of humor of a group until they've been around it long enough and understand how the people interract. If you had seen the amount of complaints I got about some of the Arnel bashing posts and threads a few certain people were putting up, and some of those complaints came from ZERO posters who have been here for a long time, you'd begin to see the bigger picture. I'm not sure if Andrew recieved any of the same complaints, but after reading that article, I'd hate to be thinking what he's feeling right now. I don't think the term racist was just thrown around here for the shits-n-giggles of it either. It usually only comes out when it really needs to here.

[nolippin]

He was right. The most amazing thing to me is the inability of people to see the racism in their remarks.

Why protest the reporter or the article?

Because he referred to the posters as "racist Journey fans."

Duh.

[Red13JoePa]

PPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT


Shut up.

[Panther]

and paints us all with one brush,

that is what happens here on a regular basis. ALL BT'ers are the same. ALL fans of SP are the same. ALL newbies are fat donut eating BT''ers
at least that is how people are portrayed -
maybe there is a lesson in this.
Cat

P.S. Euros are on their own

Yo Cat! Pass the donuts. I think I'm a couple pounds shy of the fat designation for new posters!

Creme filled or jelly?

I'm quite partial to plain, myself. However, seeing that I need to make weight requirements (though I'm unsure as to the range I'm reachin for), you'd best make it a couple tons of both..... please. :::::wag:::::

[conversationpc]

I didn't like Arnel because of his poor breath control...

A singer can have poor breath control and still have a great voice. Steve Walsh was a good example of that. The guy had one of the best voices in rock back in the 70s but his technique was poor and led to vocal problems down the road.

I'm not crazy about Steve Walsh either... Sorry... Perry definitely spoiled me and my ears. The man was a trained singer from the getgo, and that level of control is, in my opinion, necessary to do the songs justice.

Sorry, Steve Walsh had an amazing voice back in the 70s and on into the early 80s. Sometimes there's something to be said for a more raw, untrained voice and Walsh had it in spades. If you're not a fan of his singing, that's fine, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a great voice. Same goes for Arnel.

[nolippin]

NO.

:roll:
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Shut up.

[conversationpc]

He was right. The most amazing thing to me is the inability of people to see the racism in their remarks.

...and another amazing thing is the ability of some people to turn almost any issue into a racial one regardless of if the intention was there or not. Most of the comments regarding Arnel have not been racist in nature.

[Playitloudforme]

I didn't like Arnel because of his poor breath control...

A singer can have poor breath control and still have a great voice. Steve Walsh was a good example of that. The guy had one of the best voices in rock back in the 70s but his technique was poor and led to vocal problems down the road.

I'm not crazy about Steve Walsh either... Sorry... Perry definitely spoiled me and my ears. The man was a trained singer from the getgo, and that level of control is, in my opinion, necessary to do the songs justice.

Sorry, Steve Walsh had an amazing voice back in the 70s and on into the early 80s. Sometimes there's something to be said for a more raw, untrained voice and Walsh had it in spades. If you're not a fan of his singing, that's fine, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a great voice. Same goes for Arnel.

I'm not saying he didn't have a great voice. I was saying I wasn't crazy about it. Raw voices have their place. I just don't think the place is with Journey songs. Just my opinion, as yours is yours.