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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:24 pm

Monker wrote:It doesn't change anything. The reason why is named Mueller.


Monker wrote:What Mueller has found will not be known until the end. He hasn't even finished questioning people yet.


Listen to you. You sound like some damsel in distress tied to the railroad tracks crying out, “Oh Mueller! Oh Mueller! Save me! Save me!”
You pearl-clutching little liberal faggot. Mueller is the latest White Knight that liberals are pinning their hopes on. First it was Sally Yates, then Comey. So pathetic. Monker seems utterly incapable of discussing publicly available facts and instead defers to the illusionary all-knowing, all seeing power of government. Here are the unpleasant truths:

-17 intel agencies changed to 4; analysts hand-picked by Clapper
-ODNI report blamed Russia Today shows that were not even on the air.
-WaPo (CIA fish rag) ran false pieces about Putin hacking Vermont.
- Macron hacked by Russia stories all debunked
-WaPo put out a disgraceful blacklist of Russian propaganda sites (including great sites I read like Counterpunch and Ron Paul).
-Newsweek saying Sputnik articles were directed/written by Putin (I have spoken with the Sputnik writer Bill Moran - total lie)
-Cybertech firm, Crowdstrike, changing their findings on the hacked DNC server.
-Crowdstrike/DNC not permitting the servers to be examined.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:41 pm

Donna Brazile, former acting head of DNC and proven debate cheater said this today: "The Communists are now dictating the terms of the debate."
Monker will surely say it is another attempt at humor. The truth is, yes, Virginia, these people really are just that stupid.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:40 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Looks like one repeal on the way. If you can't fix it, fuck it. Mitch got a clue.

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2017/ ... ign=buffer


It's DOA. The same three Republican's who voted against the last repeal/replace have also said they would vote this one down.

The Republican health care agenda has failed.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:48 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Listen to you. You sound like some damsel in distress tied to the railroad tracks crying out, “Oh Mueller! Oh Mueller! Save me! Save me!”
You pearl-clutching little liberal faggot. Mueller is the latest White Knight that liberals are pinning their hopes on. First it was Sally Yates, then Comey. So pathetic. Monker seems utterly incapable of discussing publicly available facts and instead defers to the illusionary all-knowing, all seeing power of government. Here are the unpleasant truths:
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I have said the EXACT SAME THING from the start. You will not know what Mueller knows because it is not public testimony. Even in the committees, much of it is closed. YOU WON'T KNOW until Mueller is finished and write his report...and even then you won't know EVERYTHING.

-17 intel agencies changed to 4; analysts hand-picked by Clapper
-ODNI report blamed Russia Today shows that were not even on the air.
-WaPo (CIA fish rag) ran false pieces about Putin hacking Vermont.
- Macron hacked by Russia stories all debunked
-WaPo put out a disgraceful blacklist of Russian propaganda sites (including great sites I read like Counterpunch and Ron Paul).
-Newsweek saying Sputnik articles were directed/written by Putin (I have spoken with the Sputnik writer Bill Moran - total lie)
-Cybertech firm, Crowdstrike, changing their findings on the hacked DNC server.
-Crowdstrike/DNC not permitting the servers to be examined.

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The only fact I get out of that is that you are stuck on Republican talking points and sound more like Sean Hannity then somebody who wants to know the truth.

If you wanted to know the truth, you would be demanding an independent and public investigation. But, you absolutely DO NOT want to know the truth...all you want is all the investigating to come to an end.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:49 pm

Monker wrote:I have said the EXACT SAME THING from the start. You will not know what Mueller knows because it is not public testimony. Even in the committees, much of it is closed. YOU WON'T KNOW until Mueller is finished and write his report...and even then you won't know EVERYTHING.

Oh yes, you are very consistent. Just a few months ago you were on here saying that Comey had the secret Russian intel to bring down Trump:

"I doubt you know anything about what evidence the FBI REALLY has. IMO, only Comey and a very small number of people at the FBI know that."

Now that Comey is gone, you say that Mueller has the magic bullet. Like I said, liberals keep hoping for a government Galahad to swoop in and save them. First Yates, then Clapper, then Comey, then Mueller....etc. That smoking gun of Russian collusion is right around the next corner. It's all quite pathetic. It's the same magical thinking that allows Dems to believe that healthcare should be free.

Monker wrote:The only fact I get out of that is that you are stuck on Republican talking points and sound more like Sean Hannity then somebody who wants to know the truth.


These are inconsistencies that I have seen unfold in front of my very eyes. I didn't need anyone to tell me the Iraq War was based on bullshit either. Was the Downing Street memo a "liberal" talking point? Facts are facts. I have a record on here of being independent and actually caring about truth. Your record is sucking Democrat dick- full stop.

Monker wrote:If you wanted to know the truth, you would be demanding an independent and public investigation. But, you absolutely DO NOT want to know the truth...all you want is all the investigating to come to an end.


Investigate what? The allegedly hacked servers have only been looked at by bought and paid-for DNC flunkies. Would you assemble a grand jury before a crime scene had been examined?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:58 am

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Monker wrote:Well, that's interesting.
First, I never said that Russia hacked voting machines. I only said it is possible and gave Stuxnet as an example.


What's the implication? You are in Glenn Beck territory now. Dropping inflammatory bombs while hiding behind the excuse of "I am only asking questions!"


On the topic of voting machines and our federal elections, I remember reading an article a few years back that talked about how George Soros was on the board of the parent company that was contracted to supply voting machines as well as tally the vote counts. Is this still the case? I find this conversation about hacked voting machines quite entertaining. This is because during the campaign it was those who are now crying "we've been hacked" were the ones saying that our voting systems were sound. Didn't Hillary go as far as to say ANY notion that it's not is crazy and a "threat to our democracy"?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:36 am

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:54 am

Comey: He's guilty
Democrats: He's guilty
Trump: I'm guilty
Republicans: We may never get to the bottom of this.
McCain: But her emails!!!!
Trump Jr. : We are all guilty - here is my emails to prove it.
Trump supporters: lalalalala our cult leader can do nothing wrong.. MAGA! Fake news.. Ehm, it doesn't matter, everyone does Russian mafia deals.. God chose him.. Libtards are mean!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:16 am

brywool wrote:Comey: He's guilty


I think you're slightly confused. Comey laid out a laundry list of charges against Hillary and then said "no reasonable prosecutor" would take the case. What did he say Trump was guilty of? Telling him to lay off his friend, General Flynn?

brywool wrote:Democrats: He's guilty


The head of the Dem party, Schumer, has a flip-phone (or did until recently). Now they want to lecture us on cyber malfeasance? C'mon....

brywool wrote:Trump supporters: lalalalala our cult leader can do nothing wrong.. MAGA! Fake news.. Ehm, it doesn't matter, everyone does Russian mafia deals.. God chose him.. Libtards are mean!


I consider myself a progressive and a liberal and I voted for Trump. Name the crime and I will entertain the discussion. The fact is, the establishment and the Dems were talking about impeachment before he was even sworn in. To most Americans, this is all white noise.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:17 am

brywool wrote:Comey: He's guilty
Democrats: He's guilty
Trump: I'm guilty
Republicans: We may never get to the bottom of this.
McCain: But her emails!!!!
Trump Jr. : We are all guilty - here is my emails to prove it.
Trump supporters: lalalalala our cult leader can do nothing wrong.. MAGA! Fake news.. Ehm, it doesn't matter, everyone does Russian mafia deals.. God chose him.. Libtards are mean!


Sure, this is like a national committee for a political party openly rigging their own primary election and neither the general public nor the Federal Justice Department could give a shit.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:20 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I consider myself a progressive and a liberal and I voted for Trump. Name the crime and I will entertain the discussion. The fact is, the establishment and the Dems were talking about impeachment before he was even sworn in. To most Americans, this is all white noise.


Your right TNC, it all comes down to three words "Name the Crime".
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:08 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
This is a fine example of what I call a liberal media lemming parrot. How very sad.


And you're a fine example of a typical Trump redneck dumbass. How very sad.

Seriously- the fact that ANYONE sticks up for Trump is ridiculous. He's got a lot of indicators pointing to him being as crooked a politician as there ever was. He's a punk and has turned us into a joke in less than 6 months.

THIRTY SIX PERCENT (Oh, that's this many: IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I) approval rating. YEAH--- That's a lot of winning right there. RACE TO THE BOTTOM.

The 'charge' on Trump/Comey is Obstruction. Yet to be proven- fine, let's see how it goes. Still, Trump clearly intimidated Comey.
Then you've got little Donnie Jr and his Russian meeting that he has totally cop'd to. That's not "Fake News" the dumbfuck actually released his emails saying he did so and why he did so. Now there are tapes. Can't wait.
The nepotism of the Trump family.
The hypocritical Tweets from DJT (seriously, remember how many times he reamed Obama for golfing- look at Trump!).
The IDIOTIC tweets from Trump.
The ILLITERACY of Trump.
The misogyny of Trump.
Shutting the press out of briefings.
Kelly Anne Barhag. Ben Carson. Betsy DeVoss- ALL jokes.

Then this whole "Made In America" bs... While all of Trump's merch (along with his kid's shoes) is made in China. Laughable.
Rolling back environmental regulations to dump chemical waste into streams- how is that a good thing?
Rolling back regulations that were put on Wall Street after they f'd over the economy-how is that a good thing?
Alienating us with our Allies like he's some kind of rental slumlord- how is that a good thing?
The way he cozies up to Vlad while totally pissing off our allies. WTF is that about?

The list goes on. Even Fox is getting a bellyfull of him.

If Obama did ANY of this crap, redneck repubs would've been burning crosses across the country.

The guy is a disgrace. Glad you guys are loving him so much. He's done NOTHING but sign executive orders, which means dick.
He's done nothing positive for this country and has made us the laughingstock of the world in record time. He was completely embarrassing on his trips abroad. Makes W look like Stephen Hawking.

China is beating our asses at Solar Energy while Don chases... COAL. REALLY? So, we're gonna give all these workers black lung, then we're going to take their healthcare? Great plan...

I hope they go down in the biggest ball of fire since the one that took out the dinosaurs. Oh yeah ... those were real, but if you're truly from Kansas, you probably think the world is only 6000 years old and dinosaurs are only on The Flintstones.

I think it's hilarious that any time there's a charge leveled at this First Family of F'ups that immediately, the Trumpies jump up with "But Hilary....!" Has NOTHING to do with the present situation. NOTHING. Neither of them were good choices for Prez. But Trump is clearly the worst choice.

And yeah, the whole DNC thing- I agree with you. That was crap. I don't stick up for it at all. But THIS...? Really? This is the country you want?

Good luck. I hope they find something to seriously take him down. Can't wait.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:23 am

brywool wrote:
THIRTY SIX PERCENT (Oh, that's this many: IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I) approval rating. YEAH--- That's a lot of winning right there. RACE TO THE BOTTOM.R


OK, I see we are playing "let's keep score". After EIGHT YEARS of Barack Obama or as his followers refer to him "the savior", the country had a GDP growth of barely 2%. Not Six months but after two full terms in office of his policies and procedures.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:26 am

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Memorex wrote:
S2M wrote:Am I also allowed to possess this stolen 80" TV, and surround sound system...even if I had nothing to do with the illegal nature of obtaining those items?


If you knew they were stolen, of course it's illegal. I have to ask though, what illegal information did Trump Jr get? I haven't heard. Should be interesting.

Anyway, information is not property. As it said, Snowden may go to jail, but anyone that uses the info won't.

What is it you disagree with here? You think People did not approach Hillary?

Personally, I think the whole thing was a setup. The crime itself is the setup. So be careful how badly you want this investigated.


From what I've been reading, there was actually nothing passed on to him during that meeting.


So far, EVERYTHING that has been said by Trump, and Trump Jr., and the Russians in the meeting about this meeting has been proven to be lies.

So, believe this at your own impeachment.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:32 am

Boomchild wrote:
brywool wrote:
THIRTY SIX PERCENT (Oh, that's this many: IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I) approval rating. YEAH--- That's a lot of winning right there. RACE TO THE BOTTOM.R


OK, I see we are playing "let's keep score". After EIGHT YEARS of Barack Obama or as his followers refer to him "the savior", the country had a GDP growth of barely 2%. Not Six months but after two full terms in office of his policies and procedures.


NO, I counted it out for you because I thought some wouldn't understand double digit numbers. If someone gets personal with me, I do the same.
Regarding Obama, let's not forget what he came into office and dealt with. He prevented us from going headlong into a depression that took us 8 years to get into. The elected repubs flatout said, from day one "It is our job to make sure Obama fails". NO IT ISN'T. WTF kind of attitude is that? There is more to America than just GDP numbers, etc. It's not A BUSINESS as much as Trumpies want it run that way. It just isn't. There were many accomplishments that Obama made that helped people.

By the Way- the topic is Trump, not Obama, so not sure why you're going on about that. Again, has NOTHING to do with this conversation.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:33 am

Monker wrote:
So far, EVERYTHING that has been said by Trump, and Trump Jr., and the Russians in the meeting about this meeting has been proven to be lies.

So, believe this at your own impeachment.


EXACTLY. Not only that, how many different stories are there now?? C'mon... if this was a Dem, the Reps would be crapping themselves over it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:43 am

brywool wrote:
Regarding Obama, let's not forget what he came into office and dealt with. He prevented us from going headlong into a depression that took us 8 years to get into. The elected repubs flatout said, from day one "It is our job to make sure Obama fails". NO IT ISN'T. WTF kind of attitude is that? There is more to America than just GDP numbers, etc. It's not A BUSINESS as much as Trumpies want it run that way. It just isn't. There were many accomplishments that Obama made that helped people.


Once again, the problem is never the fault of a democrat. It's always someone or something else. Speaking of what the republicans said about making sure Obama fails, the same now could be said about the democrats. Since Trump winning the Presidency their battle cry has been "we are going block and obstruct everything they can". Some democratic lawmakers even went as far as to say that do not accept or respect Trump being elected. Never in my life have I seen such a thing as that. Talk about questioning an "attitude".
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:56 am

Boomchild wrote:
brywool wrote:
Regarding Obama, let's not forget what he came into office and dealt with. He prevented us from going headlong into a depression that took us 8 years to get into. The elected repubs flatout said, from day one "It is our job to make sure Obama fails". NO IT ISN'T. WTF kind of attitude is that? There is more to America than just GDP numbers, etc. It's not A BUSINESS as much as Trumpies want it run that way. It just isn't. There were many accomplishments that Obama made that helped people.


Once again, the problem is never the fault of a democrat. It's always someone or something else. Speaking of what the republicans said about making sure Obama fails, the same now could be said about the democrats. Since Trump winning the Presidency their battle cry has been "we are going block and obstruct everything they can". Some democratic lawmakers even went as far as to say that do not accept or respect Trump being elected. Never in my life have I seen such a thing as that. Talk about questioning an "attitude".


Did Obama NOT come into a near-depression recession?
Did we NOT just come out of Bush's bogus oil war?
Did we NOT also just come out of the whole Wall Street BS?
Did Obama's policies (or, rather on his watch) not keep us from going into depression?

At the time he got out of office, his approval rating was through the roof and the country was on the upswing economically.

On Dems not wanting to work with Trump, they did not come out as a unified WHOLE and say this. The Republicans DID.

You have to admit that Trump 'won' under extremely odd circumstances- meaning he completely lost the popular vote by a few million votes. You have to admit that he put people into his cabinet that have 1) no experience 2) no background 3) no business being there. Why would ANYBODY support that?
Why would the Dems support a repeal of ACA unless a better plan was the choice? Jesus, the Repubs are a MAJORITY and even they couldn't pass it.
Why would anyone (including you guys) RESPECT Donald Trump? Respect is earned and he has done NOTHING to deserve my respect. In fact he's done nothing but earn my hatred since he got in.

What's he done to gain your RESPECT? It's a serious question.

As for the Dems, he's refused to share information with them, he's refused to even TRY and work with them and is ONLY working with the Republicans. Obama tried to work with both sides. You NEVER saw him come out and say the type of BS that Trump is about ... well, anyone.
Why would ANYONE want to work with a guy who is CLEARLY unfit for the job? He's not fit to be a Recess Teacher let alone the president of this great country. His temperament, education, and certainly his Twitter feed are enough proof that the guy is in way over his head. He's slammed generals, the handicapped, the dems, the republicans, women, our allies...
He has no grasp of how NATO works. He has no grasp of history. He has no grasp of English. (Saying 'very very' over and over again does not make one sound more intelligent).

The fact that his fans thought "Oh, he's a regular guy, he's gonna save us" is ridiculous. HE is the 1%. HE is the guy from the group that Americans have been crying about forever. Now you want him as your leader??

He's tried to undo EVERY piece of legislation Obama put into place. He's slammed Obama at every turn. Seems to be that he can't stand that Obama was more popular (had more brains, charisma, education, etc.) than him. If he, as you say, was the Dems Poster Boy and Trump has done nothing but try to undo all the good he did... WHY should Dems support that?
Why support the bigoted (deranged) policies of this guy? EVEN PENCE is trying to get away from him.

Again, why (and 'because he's not Clinton isn't an answer) do you RESPECT this complete ASS of a human being?
What are his redeeming qualities?
TELL me why I should love him the way you do.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:11 pm

brywool wrote:Did Obama NOT come into a near-depression recession?
Did we NOT just come out of Bush's bogus oil war?
Did we NOT also just come out of the whole Wall Street BS?
Did Obama's policies (or, rather on his watch) not keep us from going into depression?


We were in a recession during the Obama Presidency. What happened was that the fed just kept printing more U.S. dollars and kept the interest rates at basically nil. So most of what kept us going from a recession into a POSSIBLE depression was due to the actions of the Federal Reserve. Which is not something that the President has control of. Obama put this country into more debt that we most likely will not be able to repay. He spent more then any of the past Presidents combined. Your putting fucking lipstick on a PIG.

brywool wrote:At the time he got out of office, his approval rating was through the roof and the country was on the upswing economically.


Sorry but I don't put much stock in polls and ratings. A lot of polls and ratings were telling the country that Hillary was basically a "shoe in" for POTUS. We now know how off they were.

brywool wrote:On Dems not wanting to work with Trump, they did not come out as a unified WHOLE and say this. The Republicans DID.


What planet are you on? It's clear that the democratic party is "butt hurt" over their election defeat. Those chosen to be the voice of the democratic party i.e. senior members of Congress\Senate as well as the minority leader have stated that they plan to block and obstruct Trump at every turn.

brywool wrote:You have to admit that Trump 'won' under extremely odd circumstances- meaning he completely lost the popular vote by a few million votes.


No, You have to admit that Trump won the election by our ELECTION RULES. You may not like it but that is EXACTLY what happened. During the campaign when Trump questioned our election system, Hillary stated that NO ONE should question a our system since it has been "tried and true" for years. Now after the outcome is not what some expected, people want to state that Trump won by a some fluke. Don't waste my time with that garbage.

brywool wrote:You have to admit that he put people into his cabinet that have 1) no experience 2) no background 3) no business being there. Why would ANYBODY support that?


First it's "nothing is going to change" because he has filled his cabinet with people that are NEOCONS or they are part of the establishment. Then it's "they have no business or background to be there". I have heard it all. It's all opinion and everybody's got one. I wait and see what happens.

brywool wrote: Respect is earned and he has done NOTHING to deserve my respect. In fact he's done nothing but earn my hatred since he got in.


These are your problems, not mine. Don't like him, then show up to the next election and vote for someone else if he runs for a second term. That's the way it works.

brywool wrote:What's he done to gain your RESPECT? It's a serious question.


Didn't take campaign donations from special interest groups and lobbyists when running for POTUS.
Didn't play the PC games that all the establishment politicians have always done.
Stated that he intends to focus on rebuilding the country first and foremost.
Stated that he intends to do everything he possibly can to secure our borders.

The reality is it's too early into his Presidency for me to judge him like most of his haters want to do. The reality is people just want to hate Trump because he is Trump.


brywool wrote:As for the Dems, he's refused to share information with them, he's refused to even TRY and work with them and is ONLY working with the Republicans. Obama tried to work with both sides. You NEVER saw him come out and say the type of BS that Trump is about ... well, anyone.


As I said before, those that represent the democratic party have said they are not going to work with him at all. The bigger issue is the establishment that exists in our government. Which includes people in both parties. This is the main reason we have had gridlock in Washington for so long. As as Obama, perhaps you have forgotten his "I have a pen and phone" statement he made to the republican lawmakers.


brywool wrote:The fact that his fans thought "Oh, he's a regular guy, he's gonna save us" is ridiculous.


Put this to his "fans". I never made such a statement.

brywool wrote:Again, why (and 'because he's not Clinton isn't an answer) do you RESPECT this complete ASS of a human being?


Him being a "complete ass" is your opinion. I made my choice based on the positions and policies the candidates presented. Hillary was a known quantity and I did not and do not agree with her positions and policies. Trump was not a known quantity and I was willing to take a chance. Contrary to a lot of people's beliefs, not everybody doesn't like Hillary just because her last name is Clinton.

brywool wrote:TELL me why I should love him the way you do.


It's not my job to TELL you. I wouldn't be asking you to tell me why I should respect any politician or anyone for that matter. I believe that people have a brain and can think for themselves. Perhaps you have spent too much time letting people tell you what to like, love and respect.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:47 pm

Boomchild wrote:
We were in a recession during the Obama Presidency.


Caused by the last R administration, which is, pretty much how all of those end.

Boomchild wrote:
Sorry but I don't put much stock in polls and ratings. A lot of polls and ratings were telling the country that Hillary was basically a "shoe in" for POTUS. We now know how off they were.


She won the popular vote. So they were actually correct. Electoral College strikes again, as it did with W.

Boomchild wrote:No, You have to admit that Trump won the election by our ELECTION RULES.


Never said he didn't. But it wasn't exactly "the voice of the people". That was my point.

Boomchild wrote:First it's "nothing is going to change" because he has filled his cabinet with people that are NEOCONS or they are part of the establishment. Then it's "they have no business or background to be there". I have heard it all. It's all opinion and everybody's got one. I wait and see what happens.


I never said "nothing is going to change". Don't know where you got that.

"See what Happens"??? Great!

"Hey, the pilot has had a heart attack in the cockpit and the plane is going down. Is there a Pet Shop owner on board that could maybe fly the plane?"

"But I'm not a pilot!"

"Well, we'll just see what happens".

Great thinking there...

Boomchild wrote:The reality is it's too early into his Presidency for me to judge him like most of his haters want to do. The reality is people just want to hate Trump because he is Trump.


The reality is that from DAY ONE the guy has been a blatant liar that has had nothing but scandals chasing him. Even before he got in - How many lawsuits did he have going in? Tons. The guy's character and demeanor are not suited for the Presidency. Funny, you like him cuz he's not PC. As soon as people call him and his admin on their bullshit, they get the "Snowflake" tag. I'm not PC about him, I know he's a shitbag and so does most of thinking America not to mention the other nations around the world. Russia's the only one sticking up for him. Great! So in 6 months, he's done nothing, but he's had a ton of scandal and embarrassment. Yes... let's give him more time, it can only get better. It certainly couldn't get any worse... oh wait, I've been saying that from day one and it's not really worked out.

Boomchild wrote:Him being a "complete ass" is your opinion. I made my choice based on the positions and policies the candidates presented. Hillary was a known quantity and I did not and do not agree with her positions and policies. Trump was not a known quantity and I was willing to take a chance. Contrary to a lot of people's beliefs, not everybody doesn't like Hillary just because her last name is Clinton.


WHAT POLICIES??? He has none. The Wall?? Oh great... yeah, let's protect us from the Mexicans "stealing our jobs" - I hope you don't really believe that.
I wasn't for Hilary either, but faced with her or him, there's no way I was going to pick that guy.
brywool wrote:TELL me why I should love him the way you do.


Boomchild wrote:It's not my job to TELL you. I wouldn't be asking you to tell me why I should respect any politician or anyone for that matter. I believe that people have a brain and can think for themselves. Perhaps you have spent too much time letting people tell you what to like, love and respect.


No, it's not your job, but I do not get the fascination or loyalty to this guy and why people think THIS is the way out for America. I don't get why ANYONE would look at this guy and say "That's the guy who's going to turn America around. That's the guy who's going to be a great leader for the US". Not even. He's set our country back years in just 6 months.
Any time I've asked someone to tell me what's so great about him, they can't.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:34 pm

My God, you obviously know absolutely nothing about IT or how complex systems work.

Yes, it may have been a thumbdrive. It could have been a thumbdrive from a spy. Or, it could have been a thumbdrive given to an employee. Or, it could have been a thumbdrive "accidently" dropped somewhere that would easily be found. Or, it may have been a phishing Email to either the business addresses, or the private addresses of Employees. There are many ways this worm could have been delivered.

But, MY POINT is that once delivered, that given system DOES NOT NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET. Period. That given system could be the control system for the centrifuges, or it could be the control system that loads the software for voting machines. Or, it could be the network server that voting machines are connected to. The "network" is most likely a corporate LAN or intranet...or a single device connected to ("networked") a voting machine to read the data, "Something" has to count these votes from all of the machines in a precinct.

If you do not believe that this is possible, you are INCREDIBLY NAIVE and think you know shit that you obviously are completely ignorant of.

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Monker wrote:Well, that's interesting.
First, I never said that Russia hacked voting machines. I only said it is possible and gave Stuxnet as an example.


What's the implication? You are in Glenn Beck territory now. Dropping inflammatory bombs while hiding behind the excuse of "I am only asking questions!"

Monker wrote:For Stuxnet, the US and Israel hacked the Iranian owned centrifuges used for making weapons grade uranium. I doubt very much that Iran put their centrifuges on the 'net. It was also done without some covert spy sneaking in with a thumbdrive.


The thumbdrive is the prevailing theory. Nobody knows how it was done. Those that don't believe it was a USB believe the hardware was infected with malware before being shipped to Iran. Either way, the idea that this scenario bears any relationship to a presidential election is insane.

Monker wrote:This meant that it did not have to be on the 'net to spread. It would copy itself to a thumbdrive and then copy itself to any system it was plugged into, and all of the conecting systems. Again, until it copied itself into a very speciric environment.


The “connecting system” you are describing is called the internet, dumbass. The Stuxnet would even utilize the IP addresses of computer control systems and report back to servers. Again, voting booths are not connected to the web.

Monker wrote:There was no spies going into Iran to unleash this worm. It was simply released onto the internet but it infected computers off the internet via thumbdrives, CD's, and other media...or by intranet connections. Norton ended up finding it as a "harmless' virus...until they looked closer at the code and realized it was something special...and a probably cyber attack.


Link? Everything I read believes it was prolly Israeli spies.

Monker wrote:It would not be difficult at all to do the same thing and have a virus swap every 10th vote for a (D) to the (R). That would be a 10pt shift to the Republicans and enough to win most elections. And, it would not need some spy with a thumbdrive infecting the machines.


How would it get on the machines? The machines are not on a network. So, as I said, you are talking about individual machines being tampered with.

Monker wrote:To say it can't be done is incredibly naive. To make up stories of thumbdrives is ignorant of what is possible and already been done with Stuxnet. To make jokes and laugh about it is to not take seriously something that is a very real threat.


I guess these people are making things up too. :roll: All of them say it was spread by thumb drives. Put up or fuck off.

https://www.cnet.com/news/stuxnet-deliv ... umb-drive/
https://www.wired.com/2014/11/countdown ... y-stuxnet/
https://www.theverge.com/2012/4/12/2944 ... agent-iran
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... orked.html
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/42302 ... ran/?cs=40
https://www.forbes.com/2010/10/06/iran- ... -worm.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world ... wanted=all
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:57 pm

Boomchild wrote:[Speaking of what the republicans said about making sure Obama fails, the same now could be said about the democrats.


What Democratic LEADER has said such a thing? Before Obama even took office the Republican leadership had a meeting to discuss what to do about Obama. OBSTRUCTION is what came out of that meeting. We are talking LEADERS: McConnell, Ryan, Cantor, Boehner , etc. It is well documented in many stories and even books.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/th ... uct-obama/

The truth is that right now Democrats do not need to obstruct anything....it is the REPUBLICANS who can not get enough votes to pass anything. Republicans are obstructing themselves because that can't agree.

Since Trump winning the Presidency their battle cry has been "we are going block and obstruct everything they can".


What Democrat said this?

Some democratic lawmakers even went as far as to say that do not accept or respect Trump being elected. Never in my life have I seen such a thing as that. Talk about questioning an "attitude".


No, you haven't seen anything like that. It's not like they are questioning his birth place.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:52 pm

Monker wrote:My God, you obviously know absolutely nothing about IT or how complex systems work.


I figured you would say that to cover up your idiocy. Tell me again how it spread on a "connected system" but doesn't need the internet. You sound like Senator Ted Stevens describing the web as "a series of tubes."

Monker wrote:Yes, it may have been a thumbdrive. It could have been a thumbdrive from a spy. Or, it could have been a thumbdrive given to an employee. Or, it could have been a thumbdrive "accidently" dropped somewhere that would easily be found.


Wait. Hold up. Just earlier you said the idea of it being a thumb drive was "making up stories." The fact of the matter is, nearly all accounts of the Stuxnet/Iran story say it was spread via a thumb drive. As with everything else, you have no clue.

Monker wrote:But, MY POINT is that once delivered, that given system DOES NOT NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET. Period. That given system could be the control system for the centrifuges, or it could be the control system that loads the software for voting machines.


In order to spread throughout other machines, it would. Otherwise, you are talking about Russian agents tampering with memory cards of individual machines.

Monker wrote:If you do not believe that this is possible, you are INCREDIBLY NAIVE and think you know shit that you obviously are completely ignorant of.


Nah, I believe in facts. There were limited recounts of the election (see Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), the results don't back you up. Furthermore, officials pushing the Russia collusion myth all agree that voter tallies were not impacted.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:55 pm

brywool wrote:Any time I've asked someone to tell me what's so great about him, they can't.


Killing TPP, making NATO pay up...these are all great things to me. Would not have been tried by a Dem administration or a Jeb Bush-type status quo GOP administration.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:04 pm

Monker wrote:What Democratic LEADER has said such a thing? Before Obama even took office the Republican leadership had a meeting to discuss what to do about Obama. OBSTRUCTION is what came out of that meeting. We are talking LEADERS: McConnell, Ryan, Cantor, Boehner , etc. It is well documented in many stories and even books.


And it is well-documented in a new book that Chuch Schumer told Bannon "I know what you’re doing, and I’m not going to let it happen" regarding Trump's infrastructure plans. So there ya go. Democratic Leader Schumer pledged his unwillingness to go along with possible legislation that could help America. Furthermore, Maxine Waters, the face of the Democratic Party, has been calling for Trump's impeachment as early as February.

Monker wrote:No, you haven't seen anything like that. It's not like they are questioning his birth place.


No, it's far worse. They are accusing him of treason. These were the fringe rumors that were floating in Dallas on that fateful day. Most presidents bear the brunt of this, but not on the scale Trump has by both the intel community and the media. It's been mainlined. You guys are playing with fire.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:16 am

brywool wrote:Caused by the last R administration, which is, pretty much how all of those end.


It's like some only think in two dimensions. Republican and Democratic. It was caused by a completely corrupt government. Full of establishment politicians who have been the puppets of the globalist elite. Who wnat nothing more then to bring down the U.S. in order to reorganize the world into a new order where they control everything. Now if you want talk about track records of a specific party, look no further then major cities around the country that have been under democratic control for decades. They have been failing for years and more and more are getting into the territory of collapsing on themselves. But the point you were trying to push was that the Obama administration's policies and actions was the major reason for pulling us out of a recession. Which it wasn't. It was the Federal Reserve's actions. Which operates independently from the federal government.

brywool wrote:She won the popular vote. So they were actually correct. Electoral College strikes again, as it did with W.

Never said he didn't. But it wasn't exactly "the voice of the people". That was my point.


The system worked the way it was designed to. Do you understand the type of government that this country was founded upon? It is setup as a Republic and not a Democracy. Meaning it's not a system where "majority rules". It was designed to give the minority fair representation. Hence the reason for the electoral college. It seems as of late, every time the democrats lose they cry foul. It was "Hanging Chads" with Bush\Gore and now it's "We've Been Hacked". It's apparent form your responses on this subject that you don't agree with the electoral college part of our system. Which is fine. But, then do something about it if you don't. Start a committee or organization to call for reform of our election system. You do realize that the Constitution has a clause in it that allows for the citizens to create amendments to it without the need for Congress or the Senate to pass them? Lastly, if you are concerned so much about the "voice of the people", then you should focus some of your energy on holding the DNC and the Clinton campaign accountable for colluding to steal the Democratic Primary from Bernie.

brywool wrote:I never said "nothing is going to change". Don't know where you got that.


Didn't say you did. My point was I have heard just about all the opinions about his cabinet choices. They are all over the place. Do I agree with them all? No. But that is the way it goes.

brywool wrote:"See what Happens"??? Great!

"Hey, the pilot has had a heart attack in the cockpit and the plane is going down. Is there a Pet Shop owner on board that could maybe fly the plane?"

"But I'm not a pilot!"

"Well, we'll just see what happens".

Great thinking there...


Let me spell it out for you. I voted for Trump because I agreed with the policies and positions he presented and not those of the other candidate. As I said, Trump is a "unknown quantity" as a politician. Based on the circumstances I was willing to take the risk. Maybe you wouldn't and that's fine. I am willing to wait and see if he sticks to what he said he was going to do. If he doesn't then I will be critical where he doesn't.

brywool wrote:The reality is that from DAY ONE the guy has been a blatant liar that has had nothing but scandals chasing him. Even before he got in - How many lawsuits did he have going in? Tons. The guy's character and demeanor are not suited for the Presidency. Funny, you like him cuz he's not PC. As soon as people call him and his admin on their bullshit, they get the "Snowflake" tag. I'm not PC about him, I know he's a shitbag and so does most of thinking America not to mention the other nations around the world. Russia's the only one sticking up for him. Great! So in 6 months, he's done nothing, but he's had a ton of scandal and embarrassment. Yes... let's give him more time, it can only get better. It certainly couldn't get any worse... oh wait, I've been saying that from day one and it's not really worked out.


The scandals and lawsuits are all to be expected when you have the establishment and the globalists concerned about losing their influence and power over the Presidency. They have and will continue to throw everything at him to try and make something stick. As many have said here, NAME THE CRIME.


brywool wrote:WHAT POLICIES??? He has none. The Wall?? Oh great... yeah, let's protect us from the Mexicans "stealing our jobs" - I hope you don't really believe that.


The executive of order to halt travel from areas known to have terrorist activity.
His policy to review and change our vetting process for those looking to enter the country.
His policy to get out of the "nation building" business and focus on our domestic issues.
His policy to end or renegotiate our poor trade deals.
His policy to end the U.S. paying more then it's fair share in the U.N..
His policy of getting NATO partners to pay what they agreed to.
His policy of not giving our military protection for free.
His policy of not relocating Syrian refugees to the U.S. but instead finding ways to keep them in their own land and culture.
His policy of ending the former lawmakers going to work for lobbyists and special interest groups.
His policy to end the "career politician syndrome" we have in our government.

As far as the border wall, yes I expect him to follow through to secure our borders. By whatever means necessary. To be a sovereign nation, you need to have your borders secure. It's not a difficult concept. Now I am sure it may be difficult for those that feel we should have all access, open borders. But that is not my problem to solve.


brywool wrote: I wasn't for Hilary either, but faced with her or him, there's no way I was going to pick that guy.


That's your choice and nobody should hold that against you. It's a gift that the founding father's gave you the ability to have. But like you everyone else has theirs.


brywool wrote:No, it's not your job, but I do not get the fascination or loyalty to this guy and why people think THIS is the way out for America. I don't get why ANYONE would look at this guy and say "That's the guy who's going to turn America around. That's the guy who's going to be a great leader for the US". Not even. He's set our country back years in just 6 months.
Any time I've asked someone to tell me what's so great about him, they can't.


And this is why I said it isn't my job to tell you what to think or feel about Trump. It's plainly clear that no matter what one would say, your opinion and positions on Trump is set in stone. So any further discussion on it is moot.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:05 am

Boomchild wrote:
brywool wrote:WHAT POLICIES???


Boomchild wrote:The executive of order to halt travel from areas known to have terrorist activity.


Hilarious. He TOTALLY ignores Saudi Arabia- you know, the country where the 9/11 guys came from. Was proud that our Seattle judge struck that bigoted mess down.
Boomchild wrote:His policy to review and change our vetting process for those looking to enter the country.

Yes, because illegals come in through the front door... Also, the current policies are no cakewalk.
Boomchild wrote:His policy to get out of the "nation building" business and focus on our domestic issues.

If he was really doing anything to help us domestically, you might have a point. The regulations that he's trying to rollback seem to indicate he's just trying to get more for the rich.
Boomchild wrote:His policy to end or renegotiate our poor trade deals.

Which ones has he renegotiated?
Boomchild wrote:His policy of getting NATO partners to pay what they agreed to.

Yes, because when the shit hits the fan in one of those 23 countries, we're going to pull out our 'NATO Dues Ledger' and go "Germany, you haven't paid. Have fun being bombed, I have to get back to my golf game". Seriously - I agree they should pay their fair share, but NATO is not some protection racket, is it? The way he stood up there and berated these folks on the world stage, I thought, was classless and it totally sounded like some Mafia guy talking to people that paid for protection".
Boomchild wrote:His policy of not giving our military protection for free.

Again, so when someone gets bombed, we're going to ask them for a cc number before we help them? That's not what America has ever been about.
Boomchild wrote:His policy of not relocating Syrian refugees to the U.S. but instead finding ways to keep them in their own land and culture.

You mean the bombed out crater that was their land? To prevent the refugees from coming in I thought was a complete crap move. Women and children are part of that, but we won't allow them sanctuary? Again, I think this is deplorable. We're just supposed to let them die? That seems pretty un-American to me.
Boomchild wrote:His policy of ending the former lawmakers going to work for lobbyists and special interest groups.
His policy to end the "career politician syndrome" we have in our government.

... but the lobbyists can certainly buy their way into cabinet positions and buy any politician they want. Why isn't that stopping? Career politicians, if they're doing a good job, should be allowed to stay. If they're not, then that's why people vote.

Boomchild wrote:As far as the border wall, yes I expect him to follow through to secure our borders. By whatever means necessary. To be a sovereign nation, you need to have your borders secure. It's not a difficult concept. Now I am sure it may be difficult for those that feel we should have all access, open borders. But that is not my problem to solve.


Yes, because there's a Mexican under every bed. Run. Hide.
The border wall is a ridiculous waste of money. Now it's solar. Now it's clear. Now it's invisible. Now Mexico will pay for it.... c'mon, really? Use that money to give everyone medical care. It won't stop illegals. It won't stop drugs. It'll just be this huge sinkhole of dollars.
"DUCK! Here comes a big bag of drugs over the wall! Luckily I saw it through the clear wall"
Boomchild wrote:And this is why I said it isn't my job to tell you what to think or feel about Trump. It's plainly clear that no matter what one would say, your opinion and positions on Trump is set in stone. So any further discussion on it is moot.


And no matter what anyone says, you're still going to think Don is the guy for you.
There ya go - thanks for replying to what you like about him (I still hope he gets run out of office by a herd of torches and pitch forks and that photos emerge of him and Vlad oiling each other up).
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:22 am

brywool wrote:And no matter what anyone says, you're still going to think Don is the guy for you.
There ya go - thanks for replying to what you like about him (I still hope he gets run out of office by a herd of torches and pitch forks and that photos emerge of him and Vlad oiling each other up).
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As I have said the point of discussing these things with you is moot. You have your positions and opinions and that is fine. Now just imagine if people were to say they would have liked to see Obama run out of office with "pitch forks and torches". Oh the bigot and racist cries would be a plenty. By your statement, you don't want diplomatic resolve to his election to office you want violence and anarchy. Thank you for exposing your true nature.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:25 am

brywool wrote:Hilarious. He TOTALLY ignores Saudi Arabia- you know, the country where the 9/11 guys came from. Was proud that our Seattle judge struck that bigoted mess down.


The list is from the prior admin. Would you like SA and Egypt to be added? I would. My understanding is the state dept. doesn't consider SA to be a state sponsor of terror.

brywool wrote:Which ones has he renegotiated?

What part of TPP being dead don't you guys understand? Dem nominee and pretty much every GOP candidate wanted it passed. NAFTA talks still a work in progress.

brywool wrote:Yes, because when the shit hits the fan in one of those 23 countries, we're going to pull out our 'NATO Dues Ledger' and go "Germany, you haven't paid. Have fun being bombed, I have to get back to my golf game". Seriously - I agree they should pay their fair share, but NATO is not some protection racket, is it?


No, it's a relic from the Cold War that should have ended just like Warsaw Pact.

brywool wrote:Again, so when someone gets bombed, we're going to ask them for a cc number before we help them? That's not what America has ever been about.


Sure it is. Founders spoke of peace and friendship with foreign allies. Not subsidizing their defenses.

brywool wrote:The border wall is a ridiculous waste of money. Now it's solar. Now it's clear. Now it's invisible. Now Mexico will pay for it.... c'mon, really? Use that money to give everyone medical care. It won't stop illegals. It won't stop drugs. It'll just be this huge sinkhole of dollars.


I've been to Israel several times. Walls work.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby brywool » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:12 am

Boomchild wrote:
brywool wrote:And no matter what anyone says, you're still going to think Don is the guy for you.
There ya go - thanks for replying to what you like about him (I still hope he gets run out of office by a herd of torches and pitch forks and that photos emerge of him and Vlad oiling each other up).
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As I have said the point of discussing these things with you is moot. You have your positions and opinions and that is fine. Now just imagine if people were to say they would have liked to see Obama run out of office with "pitch forks and torches". Oh the bigot and racist cries would be a plenty. By your statement, you don't want diplomatic resolve to his election to office you want violence and anarchy. Thank you for exposing your true nature.


Oh FFS Boom relax the hell up. It was a joke. Did you not see the smiley there?
Funny, a guy who voted for Trump talking about 'diplomatic resolve'. hilarious. He's someone I wouldn't have over to my house and if I did, he'd probably try and show me nude photos of his wife... oh yeah, seen those- great way to represent the country. He's a scumbag to me and many others that've actually had dealings with him. Not too many folks out there will say what a great humanitarian that he is. He's certainly no politician or diplomat. Personally, I think you need those things when the job is Politics and Diplomacy. A Baby Man that when he doesn't get his way goes on Twitter rants. Hope he keeps ranting as he digs himself deeper each day. If he DOES get impeached, I'm sure you'll say that it was all Fake News.
As for Obama, to me the guy was nothing but class. I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was an honorable guy trying to do good. I also thought that he helped the world view of the US. I think you'll find a majority really liked him... compared to Mr. 36%... oh but you don't believe in polls. Whatever. :roll:
It's not the fact that Trump is a republican (you know, those folks that he himself called completely stupid) it's the fact that it's Donald Trump.
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