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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:33 am

tj wrote:Because it boxes Trump in and makes for good political posturing. RINOs want to undermine him at every possible chance, Dems the same. Republicans who support Trump are still reluctant to go against the party for fear of losing committee assignments, donor money, endorsements, etc.


Except the FACT is that the sanctions passed almost UNANIMOUSLY...in BOTH parties...which means it was not just John McCain types who voted for it. The "Republicans who support Trump" also voted for it. Unless his support is down to less than 10 total votes in congress, both houses combined....which is possible.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:43 am

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Archetype wrote:China will likely intervene if a pre-emptive regime-destabilizing strike is launched against Pyongyang. Trump needs to stop fanning the flames of war to distract people from his domestic shortcomings. War on the Korean Peninsula would be an unmitigated disaster for all and ultimately accomplish nothing.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1060791.shtml


China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay neutral. If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so.


Trump must a real genius to be able to manipulate N. Korea's leadership to start and escalate their nuclear weapons program years before running for POTUS in order to use it as a deflection.


Trump's "fire and fury" talk is the deflection. But, he's lying. Other than Trump's words, there is no reason to believe there is any plan to nuke North Korea. It's not happening. Like I have said, almost everything Trump says is a lie.

if we had a real leader and not an insane megalomaniac and narcissist as President, he would address North Korea in a similar way to how Kennedy addressed missiles in Cuba...with real plain and simple consequences that the world understood and believed. Instead we have a guy in office who thinks bombastic words of exaggeration that nobody believes is a good way to address this serious situation...but from *HIS* POV, at least they are talking about this and not Manafort being raided, or that investigation in general.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:49 am

Archetype wrote:Trump must a real genius to be able to manipulate N. Korea's leadership to start and escalate their nuclear weapons program years before running for POTUS in order to use it as a deflection.



The North Koreans aren't doing anything new. They simply want the nuclear deterrence option that many other nations enjoy (including the USA and their 5,000+ nukes). Trump is suddenly turning it into a huge issue.[/quote]

True, and it has escalated into Kim threatening Guam. THAT needs to be taken seriously...but I do not believe Trump knows how to take it seriously....other than threaten the apocalypse if anything happens.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:53 am

Archetype wrote:The North Koreans aren't doing anything new. They simply want the nuclear deterrence option that many other nations enjoy (including the USA and their 5,000+ nukes). Trump is suddenly turning it into a huge issue.


Evidently the past U.S. administration as well as the current and now the U.N. seems to have a different position. Based on the new sanctions ratified by the U.N.. Perhaps you missed that.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:54 am

Monker wrote:Except the FACT is that the sanctions passed almost UNANIMOUSLY...in BOTH parties...which means it was not just John McCain types who voted for it.


And this proves what exactly? How many idiots voted for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002? Same with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? Why is a Special Counsel investigating Russia collusion if we are already punishing Russia for the collusion?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:59 am

Monker wrote:if we had a real leader and not an insane megalomaniac and narcissist as President, he would address North Korea in a similar way to how Kennedy addressed missiles in Cuba...with real plain and simple consequences that the world understood and believed.


What an idiotic simplification of the crisis. Nuclear war was not averted with JFK simply making a speech. Back then, JFK and Kruschev had back channel talks with each other. Such talks between nations is now viewed suspiciously by liberal idiots and the media.

Monker wrote:...but from *HIS* POV, at least they are talking about this and not Manafort being raided, or that investigation in general.


Yeh, sure. It's all a big diversion. And I bet Dubya blew up the trade center too. :roll: You are one sick little anti-American punk.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:06 am

Voter fraud? What voter fraud??

College student gets 100 days in slammer for registering dead voters for Dems

A Virginia college student was sentenced this week to 100 days incarceration for submitting fraudulent voter registration forms listing the names of dead people and other faulty information for a political organization connected to the Democratic Party.

Andrew J. Spieles, 21, was sentenced in federal court Tuesday for knowingly transferring false Virginia voter registration forms during the 2016 election, according to the Justice Department.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:01 am

Ever wonder what Sharia Law is like?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:33 am

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:59 am

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if we had a real leader and not an insane megalomaniac and narcissist as President, he would address North Korea in a similar way to how Kennedy addressed missiles in Cuba...with real plain and simple consequences that the world understood and believed.

What an idiotic simplification of the crisis. Nuclear war was not averted with JFK simply making a speech. Back then, JFK and Kruschev had back channel talks with each other. Such talks between nations is now viewed suspiciously by liberal idiots and the media.

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Stop making stuff up and implying I said things I didn't say.

When Kennedy said, "it shall be the policy of this nation..." he was speaking to the entire world - not just the soviets and Cuba. When Trump made his "fire and fury" comment, he was doing the same thing. Kennedy was believable, Trump sounds like a comedian mocking a President and is NOT believable.

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...but from *HIS* POV, at least they are talking about this and not Manafort being raided, or that investigation in general.

Yeh, sure. It's all a big diversion.


Yes, it is. He saw it got a reaction from the media and even though it was a "WTF is he talking about?" reaction, he REPEATED IT without any clarification. The only reason he is making these comments is for media buzz...to throw static into the real news that he wants to avoid.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:41 am

Here is what you do not understand....

Nobody is denying that dead people are registered, or people who have moved are registered under multiple addresses (including Ivanka Trump, BTW...should she be arrested, too?).

THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE THAT NEEDS PROVEN.

How many DEAD people actually voted? How many people voted from multiple addresses?

The very study that Republicans point to that shows there are 3-5million cases of dead people, or people who have moved, etc, shows that THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE VOTES THEMSELVES.

If you want to prove voter fraud - PROVE DEAD PEOPLE VOTED. PROVE ONE PERSON HAD VOTES IN SEVERAL STATES AND IT HAPPENED *MILLIONS* OF TIMES.

Otherwise, you are just full of hot air.

Boomchild wrote:Voter fraud? What voter fraud??

College student gets 100 days in slammer for registering dead voters for Dems

A Virginia college student was sentenced this week to 100 days incarceration for submitting fraudulent voter registration forms listing the names of dead people and other faulty information for a political organization connected to the Democratic Party.

Andrew J. Spieles, 21, was sentenced in federal court Tuesday for knowingly transferring false Virginia voter registration forms during the 2016 election, according to the Justice Department.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08 ... -dems.html
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:49 am

Monker wrote:Stop making stuff up and implying I said things I didn't say.

When Kennedy said, "it shall be the policy of this nation..." he was speaking to the entire world - not just the soviets and Cuba.


I said the Cuban missile crisis was not averted due to shiny feel-good rhetoric (and it wasn't). You then go on to cite more rhetoric. JFK had the armed forces on Defcon 2 and 3. It was the closest we have ever come yet to nuclear war. But yeah, please repeat more purple prose. Idiot.

Monker wrote:When Trump made his "fire and fury" comment, he was doing the same thing. Kennedy was believable, Trump sounds like a comedian mocking a President and is NOT believable.


You seem really overly concerned with optics and theatrics. I think what you are trying to say is, Obama's teleprompter speeches gave you tingles up your leg and Trump doesn't. Too bad. This isn't American Idol.

Monker wrote:Yes, it is. He saw it got a reaction from the media and even though it was a "WTF is he talking about?" reaction, he REPEATED IT without any clarification. The only reason he is making these comments is for media buzz...to throw static into the real news that he wants to avoid.


The distraction is the Mueller special counsel and the Russia hacking hoax. You can't even specify what the counsel is looking into.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:05 am

Thank God your lind of "thinking" was voted out of power. What would you do? Give him 4 billion again and kiss his ass?


After Kim threatened an attack on Guam, I would have called an emergency meeting with my adivsors to seak advice on what the proper response should be to that threat. And, I would not end that meeting until a unified response was agreed to by everybody in that room.

As I said, I would then present it to the nation as Kenedy did in a national TV address. My preference would be to make it the policy of the US that any attack, via missle or other means, against Guam, Hawaii, Alaska, or the west coast of the United States made by North Korea would be considered a declaration of war requiring the full military response by the Unitest States accordingly. If possible, I would also announce that the cease fire agreement between North and South Korea would also end.

I would then immediately move navy resources to the area as a show of force. I would also publicly make plans for missile defense systems to be place in Guam, Hawaii, and the West Coast of the US. I would make it the policy of the US to shoot down any missle launched by North Korea, if it was a test or not. I would also add as many US troops to South Korea as possible.

I would not use bombastic words like "fire and fury". I would take serious actions appropriate for a legitimate threat being made against the US territory of Guam...and by extension, any other US interests a medium range nuclear missile could target.

And, I would warn North Korea and China by words and actions that attacking Guam will restart the Korean war.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:11 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
You seem really overly concerned with optics and theatrics. I think what you are trying to say is, Obama's teleprompter speeches gave you tingles up your leg and Trump doesn't. Too bad. This isn't American Idol.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:51 pm

From Wikileaks:

Stanford: Top three fake news stories during the 2016 election favored Clinton. One was created by Newsweek https://www.emptywheel.net/…/the-most-believed-fake-news-s…/

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby AR » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:06 am

I get people don't like Trump for some valid reasons. However the liberal media saying our President is more unhinged than the guy in North Korea is not only wrong but bordering on treason. Trump called this kicking the can down the road in 1999.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Archetype » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:49 am

AR wrote:I get people don't like Trump for some valid reasons. However the liberal media saying our President is more unhinged than the guy in North Korea is not only wrong but bordering on treason. Trump called this kicking the can down the road in 1999.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyc4x8LltKQ



Kim Jong Un is not "unhinged" in the slightest. He's acting perfectly rationally for a guy whose nation is essentially being held hostage by western imperialist interests since they won't submit and become a colony the way their neighbors to the south have.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby AR » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:20 am

Archetype wrote:
AR wrote:I get people don't like Trump for some valid reasons. However the liberal media saying our President is more unhinged than the guy in North Korea is not only wrong but bordering on treason. Trump called this kicking the can down the road in 1999.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyc4x8LltKQ



Kim Jong Un is not "unhinged" in the slightest. He's acting perfectly rationally for a guy whose nation is essentially being held hostage by western imperialist interests since they won't submit and become a colony the way their neighbors to the south have.


Ok he is normal.

Threatening the world's biggest nuclear power is perfectly fine. :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Archetype » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:14 am

AR wrote:
Archetype wrote:
AR wrote:I get people don't like Trump for some valid reasons. However the liberal media saying our President is more unhinged than the guy in North Korea is not only wrong but bordering on treason. Trump called this kicking the can down the road in 1999.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyc4x8LltKQ



Kim Jong Un is not "unhinged" in the slightest. He's acting perfectly rationally for a guy whose nation is essentially being held hostage by western imperialist interests since they won't submit and become a colony the way their neighbors to the south have.


Ok he is normal.

Threatening the world's biggest nuclear power is perfectly fine. :lol:



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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Archetype » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:04 pm

Fact Finder wrote:That's a mighty pretty map, I think we should keep it that way, or even add more flags. :wink:



You can like the concept of putting more flags on the map should you choose, but it's absolutely asinine to call what North Korea is doing "aggressive" or "unhinged" as their posturing is purely defensive in nature with many brutal historical lessons guiding them (Iraq and Libya most notably).
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:32 pm

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Fact Finder wrote:That's a mighty pretty map, I think we should keep it that way, or even add more flags. :wink:



You can like the concept of putting more flags on the map should you choose, but it's absolutely asinine to call what North Korea is doing "aggressive" or "unhinged" as their posturing is purely defensive in nature with many brutal historical lessons guiding them (Iraq and Libya most notably).


Do you enjoy hating America? Did it just come naturally to you and monker?


So, stating an opinion contrary to yours or "whatever" the "accepted American opinion' is now considered hating the country.

How very Orwellian of you.

It's no different than the thought manipulation that W did after 9/11. That's bullshit....in fact THAT is 'unAmerican' . Criticizing government decisions (invading Iraq, attacking North Korea) is more American and patriotic than being a cheerleader for war. YOU are acting unAmerican by using such words towards someone expressing their own thoughts and opinions...essentially trying to suppress them.

But, since you all are the ones who are all friendly towards Russia, I guess you may as well adopt their thought police type policies, too.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Archetype » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:21 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
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Fact Finder wrote:That's a mighty pretty map, I think we should keep it that way, or even add more flags. :wink:



You can like the concept of putting more flags on the map should you choose, but it's absolutely asinine to call what North Korea is doing "aggressive" or "unhinged" as their posturing is purely defensive in nature with many brutal historical lessons guiding them (Iraq and Libya most notably).


Do you enjoy hating America? Did it just come naturally to you and monker?


There's nothing hateful about respecting the sovereignty of another nation. You seem to be awfully blind if you assume otherwise. I'll also add that it's very hateful to be a cheerleader for war knowing full well it will get many of your nation's troops killed in a campaign that will ultimately accomplish nothing (Iraq and Afghanistan come to mind). I don't know about you, but I wore the uniform and have many friends who still do, and I'd hate for them to get killed in another military-industrial complex bolstering war of aggression against a country whose only crime was to want to choose their own path instead of submitting to imperialism.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:44 pm

Monker wrote:So, stating an opinion contrary to yours or "whatever" the "accepted American opinion' is now considered hating the country.

How very Orwellian of you.

It's no different than the thought manipulation that W did after 9/11. That's bullshit....in fact THAT is 'unAmerican'.


You should know. Here are a few examples of you engaging in the very behavior you now rage against....

"How unpatriotic of you. So much for put America first!

"It is pretty pathetic that people exist in this country that has a symbol that says that we welcome them. I feel it is unAmerican, unpatriotic, and wrong."

"It is not "decent". It is unAmerican for EITHER party to protest in such ways. They should be put in jail to keep their President company."

"Frankly, those who disagree I find cowardly and unpatriotic. They represent the lowest of moral standards in this country."


Monker wrote:But, since you all are the ones who are all friendly towards Russia, I guess you may as well adopt their thought police type policies, too.


Let's face it. The only reason you criticized Iraq is because it came from a Republican. As proven by the quote above, you are all-in on interventionist BS when it comes from a Democrat. The Russia hacking narrative is 10x flimsier than Iraq WMD ever was.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Archetype » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:20 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Both Archetype and Monker have just stated CLEARLY that they back North Korea. No surprise here. That's why they want to continue Clinton, Bush and Obama's policies which have failed and helped to make North Korea a Nuclear power. Disgusting!


You're one of those black and white "with us or against us" kind of mental midgets, aren't you? Just kills you folks to see someone say to leave another alone to no detriment of the US, doesn't it? Since you're so pro-war, I am curious about which branch you served in.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:03 am

Imo we should have bombed the shit out of N. Korea when they gave us back Otto Warmbier. The kid was pretty much tortured to death.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:09 am

Archetype wrote:..and I'd hate for them to get killed in another military-industrial complex bolstering war of aggression against a country whose only crime was to want to choose their own path instead of submitting to imperialism.


What a joke. Who in N. Korea is "choosing their own path"? Citizens are not even allowed to leave the country, information is restricted, people are starving...etc.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Archetype » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:09 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Imo we should have bombed the shit out of N. Korea when they gave us back Otto Warmbier. The kid was pretty much tortured to death.


So should Australia bomb the shit out of the USA since a Minneapolis cop murdered one of their citizens?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:14 am

Archetype wrote:So should Australia bomb the shit out of the USA since a Minneapolis cop murdered one of their citizens?


The singular actions of ONE cop is the same as long term government imprisonment and torture? Fascinating. You must be on some really good drugs.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Archetype » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:27 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Archetype wrote:So should Australia bomb the shit out of the USA since a Minneapolis cop murdered one of their citizens?


The singular actions of ONE cop is the same as long term government imprisonment and torture? Fascinating. You must be on some really good drugs.


How many people are imprisoned in the USA for lesser crimes than breaking and entering into a secure government office and stealing things from said office (what Otto Warmbier did)? How many of them are raped and beaten in prison every day? How often is anything done about it? My point isn't to excuse Otto's death, but to show that being confined by the state generally isn't healthy in any nation, and a lot of people are locked up for a lot of bullshit reasons even in the good old land of the free, and some of them die as a result of various incidents or health complications while confined. You're only upset about Warmbier because the media told you to be. If you were genuinely upset about it, you would be angry 24/7 about what happens to prisoners all around the world every single day.
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