September 20th...please read

[SuiteMadameBlue]

From Zan:

Hey all...I just got an e-mail saying word on the street is that Chuck's webmaster has only recived a small handful of birthday wishes to send to Chuck from his fans, so if anyone has a couple of minutes to send one, please send it to:

webmaster@chuckpanozzosplace.com

I'm sure he'd really appreciate it!

[Zan]

Praying??????
I will bite my finger on this one also.

It's a personal lifestyle choice. lol...is it a problem? How about: "I'll hold the door for you?" Is that more acceptable?

By all means,pray away.
Thank you,but since I am not going anywhere,no need to hold the door for me,but I'll be delighted to hold the door for you.
All the best.

Easy, Killer! I was "rephrasing" my previous post to OSL for you since the "prayer" comment excited you so much. I am happy, however, to know you're anxious to hold the door for me. I'm glad that chivalry isn't dead yet.

[Zan]

I am researching before posting back. Not looking for amunition , never meant to cause a battle - apology clearly not enough. Zan - please do not be so quick to judge and slow to forgive. There are things you do not know about me. - Enough said for now

And there are things you don't know about the people you blanketly judge. Yes, maybe the apology wasn't clear enough. When someone SINCERELY apologizes for being RUDE, it's usually not prefaced with "You guys are too politically correct" and followed with "everyone here knows I think gay is wrong," and "this is why I'm bitter about HIV research," etc...which has exactly what to do with you being rude?

Look, you've done nothing to me personally. I'm sure you are a very caring individual when you want to be. But don't confuse my disrespecting your views with me judging you as a whole.

[Adam]

SUITEMADAMEBLUE: Dear, dear Adam Gowan, why do you only come on here to comment about Froy's remarks?

ADAM: Okay. Let’s begin with how you address me. I suppose you give yourself away as anti-Gowan/proDDY, since you insert your cute little passive/aggressive “Gowan” to my name as if it’s a slam. Hence, you are clearly not on the “side” that Chuck Panozzo is on. Hence, you are anti Chuck. Congratulations.

Personally, I am not such a pro-Gowan guy or any such thing. I’m not sticking up for anyone here. I’m calling someone on stupid behavior.

As for why I most often tend to comment on Froy's remarks, it’s because HE’S the broken record here. Yes, I suppose I’m adding fuel to his stupid little fire, but there’s more to it. I see the Internet as a door to unbridled rudeness, and I consider that disgusting.

Zan starts a thread regarding birthday wishes for Styx’ original bassist, and Froy appears so as to call him names. I’m sorry, but it’s stupid, it’s disrespectful, it’s rude and it’s wrong. Maybe you wont speak up when you see some unacceptable behavior in YOUR neighborhood, but these redundant ignorant bully tactics irk me.

SUITEMADAMEBLUE: Sheesh, you're always after him!!!

ADAM: And he’s after every member of his favorite band BUT Dennis DeYoung (which clearly says he’s a fan of Dennis and not Styx).

SUITEMADAMEBLUE: You'd be surprised what he really knows

ADAM: B.S. Sounds to me like he’s informed by ONE SIDE ONLY in this dumb argument (which was resolved by the actual parties involved YEARS ago, by the way). So Froy’s the DeYoung’s mouthpiece on this board? I’ve suspected this and have always made it clear he only does his cause harm with his rude and ignorant behavior. Aint nothing classy about it.

There are at LEAST 2 sides to every story, but Froy is (and maybe you also are) emotionally fixated with a hero of his teen years. How close is Froy to Dennis? Has he known him personally for a long time? Has Froy worked with Dennis? Well, there is a very LONG list of people who HAVE who walked away from Dennis (from Curlewski to Shaw to Loizzo to Burtnik to Panozzo). I say where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire.

I suppose there’s a bulletin board somewhere online where the Brad Pitt fans are arguing with the Jennifer Anniston fans about terms of their divorce. Froy’s slamming is no different, no more purposeful, only more tedious. I choose to call him on it. Sue me.

The B.S. continues because it is Froy’s mission, not mine. Froy doesn’t want healing, moving on. He wants to berate Chuck and anyone else who currently isn’t on Dennis’ team.
I say Happy Birthday Chuck.

[sadie65]

Psst...Adam...

Don't make the mistake of thinking Froy is Dennis' mouthpiece. That would be a mistake.

Stepping out again.

Carry on.

Peace

[Adam]

"Don't make the mistake of thinking Froy is Dennis' mouthpiece. That would be a mistake."

Ahhh...but according to SuiteMadameBlue Froy "knows" more than we think...the implication is crystal clear.

[sadie65]

"Don't make the mistake of thinking Froy is Dennis' mouthpiece. That would be a mistake."

Ahhh...but according to SuiteMadameBlue Froy "knows" more than we think...the implication is crystal clear.

No it's not. It's a statement that he knows more than we think. That you infer that Froy is Dennis' mouthpiece is not made clear by that statement.

Listen, I don't dislike Froy, and I know Suite very well. That being said, I believe that while Froy is the epitome of when fandom precludes open mindedness, it does prove he "knows" more.

And while I do understand Suite's frustration over you're inability to let go the Froyism's of the world, I've come to understand that you simply cannot. If that is what amuses you, go for it. I personally find it silly since it's been proven so often that railing at what he says changes nothing. I know, I've done enough of it myself.

I think to be fair to Froy he has indeed criticized Dennis. That he does not often give credit to the other band members is sad, but he simply won't.

The only thing clear (or at least to me) here, is that Froy gets under your skin, Suite said something that perhaps could have been worded better, and here we are going down the same tired road again.

Getting the popcorn ready.

Peace

[SuiteMadameBlue]

[sadie65]

Splurt. Thanks I needed that.

[Adam]

Okay, let's all forgive Froy. He knows more than we think (although his posts most often sound like he knows less than most teenagers I know). He has been given license to say it all from his advanced perch.

So Happy Birthday to “the Traitor”.

[classicstyxfan]

I just want to know all of this "inside information" Froy knows that I don't know ! Hey Froy,

What's the hold up with the next studio issue from DDY ?

What facts dont we all know about the Styx/DDY situation ?

What else do you know that I dont ?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Sadie says:

Suite said something that perhaps could have been worded better, and here we are going down the same tired road again.

Oh yeah Sadie, you know me, I just can't word my posts right. LOL I know what I want to say but it usually doesn't come out right

[Adam]

Good question, classic. I think Froy’s credibility is well known.

Look, I said the implication is crystal clear and sadie responds, "No it's not. It's a statement that he knows more than we think. That you infer that Froy is Dennis' mouthpiece is not made clear by that statement."

Anyone have a blackboard I can borrow?

A) Froy is ALL ABOUT Dennis. Dennis this, Dennis that, Dennis = Styx, Gowan sucks, Dennis is a victim, JY’s a traitor, Tommy’s a traitor, Chuck is a traitor, etc. Froy is obviously a Dennis advocate. I think we can agree on this.

B) SuiteMadam is impressed with Froy’s position and makes this point with the words “You'd be surprised what he really knows”.

C) What do YOU think this implies? That Froy DOESN’T have inside info of some sort? No, I’m sorry. It doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots. Suite “knows” that Froy “knows” a lot on this topic. I wonder WHERE he could be ‘learning’ all this ANTI STYX INSIDE info? I’d think if Froy were learning it from the usher at his local shed Suite wouldn’t be so impressed.

SADIE: Listen, I don't dislike Froy, and I know Suite very well. That being said, I believe that while Froy is the epitome of when fandom precludes open mindedness, it does prove he "knows" more.

ADAM: Proves? PROVES???? Huh? Sadie, you have been calm in the past, but I don’t get this at all. Suddenly you appear a poor Internet lawyer.

You point out Suite's frustration over my inability to let Froy get away with his drivel. Well, I’m frustrated with Froy’s never ending lame trip. For the record, Froy gets under EVERYONE’S skin, save the passionate pro-Dennis fanatics.

The “same tired road” we’re on is 'Froy Blvd'. When Suite defends him with “You'd be surprised what he really knows” I say that road is paved in either bull$hit or informed/influenced by someone very close to the DeYoung camp. Take your pick.

Go to the source, my friend. Eliminate the instigator. It’s a BIRTHDAY TOPIC, for Christ sakes. Do you not get it?

[bugsymalone]

Holy????? You leave for one day and.....

Good heavens! Did THIS topic get driven off the road or what?!!!

You know, I will just go with what I said earlier about thanking Zan for the original post. And I will say to Scott's

This is about showing support for a man who contributed to some of the greatest music in the soundtrack of my (and our) life(s). Let's try to seperate ourselves from the bickering for once and show a little solidarity. (Did I say that?.....Yes!)

Right on the money, Scott!! Thank you.

Bugsy

[Monker]

Oh yeah Sadie, you know me, I just can't word my posts right. LOL I know what I want to say but it usually doesn't come out right

Oh, please. What do you exptect to happen when you defend the indefensible (Froy calling Chuck a trator)...and laying on your own sarcasm? now Sadie is into it too, by defending you defending the indefensible.

When froy spouts off some garbage and gets whacked over the head for it, you'd be better off just letting it go and not defending his stoopid words. And, Sadie would be better off letting it go if you don't.

So, now, yet another thread has gone to the tubes. Oh, well, I'm all wrong about that happening...Sadie proved that.

[sadie65]

Good question, classic. I think Froy’s credibility is well known.

Look, I said the implication is crystal clear and sadie responds, "No it's not. It's a statement that he knows more than we think. That you infer that Froy is Dennis' mouthpiece is not made clear by that statement."

Anyone have a blackboard I can borrow?

A) Froy is ALL ABOUT Dennis. Dennis this, Dennis that, Dennis = Styx, Gowan sucks, Dennis is a victim, JY’s a traitor, Tommy’s a traitor, Chuck is a traitor, etc. Froy is obviously a Dennis advocate. I think we can agree on this.

B) SuiteMadam is impressed with Froy’s position and makes this point with the words “You'd be surprised what he really knows”.

C) What do YOU think this implies? That Froy DOESN’T have inside info of some sort? No, I’m sorry. It doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots. Suite “knows” that Froy “knows” a lot on this topic. I wonder WHERE he could be ‘learning’ all this ANTI STYX INSIDE info? I’d think if Froy were learning it from the usher at his local shed Suite wouldn’t be so impressed.

SADIE: Listen, I don't dislike Froy, and I know Suite very well. That being said, I believe that while Froy is the epitome of when fandom precludes open mindedness, it does prove he "knows" more.

ADAM: Proves? PROVES???? Huh? Sadie, you have been calm in the past, but I don’t get this at all. Suddenly you appear a poor Internet lawyer.

You point out Suite's frustration over my inability to let Froy get away with his drivel. Well, I’m frustrated with Froy’s never ending lame trip. For the record, Froy gets under EVERYONE’S skin, save the passionate pro-Dennis fanatics.

The “same tired road” we’re on is 'Froy Blvd'. When Suite defends him with “You'd be surprised what he really knows” I say that road is paved in either bull$hit or informed/influenced by someone very close to the DeYoung camp. Take your pick.

Go to the source, my friend. Eliminate the instigator. It’s a BIRTHDAY TOPIC, for Christ sakes. Do you not get it?

You know Adam...you are certainly entitled to view things as you do. I've been pretty calm because I do understand that Froy gets under everyone's skin, including my own. As for what Froy knows, I have to tell you, several people have connections to various camps of various band members past and present that post here. How Froy chooses to respond to various topics is his own choice and does not reflect the views held by ANYONE other than him. As for "proves", my apologies. It was a typo that should have read DOESN'T prove he knows more.

I get it. I've gotten it for a long time. I'm rather amazed that you would say this to me, but hey, I can take it.

As for Chuck's birthday, I sent a message to the webmaster, and I wish Chuck nothing but the best.

Enjoy tilting at those windmills.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker says:

Oh, please. What do you exptect to happen when you defend the indefensible (Froy calling Chuck a trator)...

What's a trator?

Anyway, my point was to Adam. It SEEMS that he (Adam) posts on the board only to harass Froy. He doesn't add anything to any of the threads, just attacks Froy and what he posts. I was sticking up for Froy because of that.

I didn't say anything about agreeing or disagreeing about Chuck "being a traitor". What happened 6 years ago no one can change. When the lawsuit was filed each member made their own decision.

[Adam]

Zan says let’s wish Chuck a Happy Birthday.
Froy calls Chuck names.
Adam calls Froy on it.
Suite defends Froy with “You'd be surprised what he (Froy) really knows”.
Sadie defends Suite, almost as if Froy IS onto something.

The original concept of “showing support for a man who contributed to some of the greatest music in the soundtrack of my (and our) life(s)” got hijacked by Froy’s bashing of that very same “man who contributed to some of the greatest music in the soundtrack of my (and our) life(s)”

As much as I’d love to try to separate myself from the bickering and show a little “solidarity”, and as much as I agree with that pleasant concept, I can’t help but point out what poor character Froy displays.

To go along with what he says strikes me as the equivalent of saying “Happy Birthday to The Traitor”.

I like Monker’s point. Since it’s so easy for Suite to suggest I just let Froy’s comments go, I suggest she just let MY comments go. Simple, huh?

The sniper is Froy.

[sadie65]

Zan says let’s wish Chuck a Happy Birthday.
Froy calls Chuck names.
Adam calls Froy on it.
Suite defends Froy with “You'd be surprised what he (Froy) really knows”.
Sadie defends Suite, almost as if Froy IS onto something.

And I apologized for the typo in my original comment.

The original concept of “showing support for a man who contributed to some of the greatest music in the soundtrack of my (and our) life(s)” got hijacked by Froy’s bashing of that very same “man who contributed to some of the greatest music in the soundtrack of my (and our) life(s)”

Yes it did. And he was wrong to do so. And then it got further convoluted, which was equally wrong.

As much as I’d love to try to separate myself from the bickering and show a little “solidarity”, and as much as I agree with that pleasant concept, I can’t help but point out what poor character Froy displays.

I think you've made it abundantly clear that you find Froy's character to be poor to say the least. We all get that point. Well the majority of us do. I say this meaning no disrespect to you Adam, as I do consider you a solid poster, I just don't get the beating a dead horse with you. Froy is wrong, Froy writes incendiary things. Many people here have challenged him. It has not stopped. If anything, it only serves to give him audience to continue.

To go along with what he says strikes me as the equivalent of saying “Happy Birthday to The Traitor”.

I guess I could never see you going along with him.

I like Monker’s point. Since it’s so easy for Suite to suggest I just let Froy’s comments go, I suggest she just let MY comments go. Simple, huh?

Fair enough.

The sniper is Froy.

Does that make you the target?

[gr8dane]

Praying??????
I will bite my finger on this one also.

It's a personal lifestyle choice. lol...is it a problem? How about: "I'll hold the door for you?" Is that more acceptable?

By all means,pray away.
Thank you,but since I am not going anywhere,no need to hold the door for me,but I'll be delighted to hold the door for you.
All the best.

Easy, Killer! I was "rephrasing" my previous post to OSL for you since the "prayer" comment excited you so much. I am happy, however, to know you're anxious to hold the door for me. I'm glad that chivalry isn't dead yet.

Fair enough Zan.I just get allergic reactions if get too close to anything that resembles prayers ,the Lord and what ever comes with it.
But I am better now,i think.

[Adam]

Oops, I kinda wondered about if it was the typo, sadie. I’m back to admiring you again (somewhat – lucky you!). Wow. Looks like I dragged sadie into this, huh?

(A trator is a genetic mutation, not unlike Jeff Goldblum’s character in the 80s sci-fi motion picture remake “THE FLY”, except a tator is a combination of a rat and a potato)

As for defending Froy, Suite, how about I call DeYoung a fag? Is that okay? Is it okay to bash other people’s heroes? Where do YOU draw the line? Zan says Happy Birthday to Chuck and you apparently think it’s cool to say “screw the traitor”? WHY? Could it be because YOU AGREE WITH FROY?

"he was wrong to do so. And then it got further convoluted, which was equally wrong."

Well, sadie, I kinda know that's right, but I also recognize that such is the nature of feuds and wars. Each side blames the other for "starting it" and each defends their aggressions as retaliation. In this case I was under the impression that something kind was being suggested, and some bastard thought his own "war" was more important. Froy hates Chuck? I hate Froy. Am I wrong? Perhaps. But I sometimes get dizzy from turning my cheek so much (don't you?)

I suppose you DO all get my point. And we all get Froy's point too. I AM being redundant and just stooping to the low level.

The sniper is Froy. The target is Chuck. You might consider me the Secret Service...well, at least the Guardian Angels...

[classicstyxfan]

Happy Birthday to You ........

Haqppy Birthday to You.......

Happy Birthday Chuck Panozzo.......


Haaaapy Biirthdayyyyy tooooo Youuuuu !

( and maaaaany mooooorrrreeee !! )

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Adam says:

WHY? Could it be because YOU AGREE WITH FROY?

What? All I was wondering is why you come on the board and go after Froy, that's all. It had nothing to do with the thread, it could have been any thread. You usually just come on here when Froy makes a comment or two, you usually don't add to any conversation otherwise.

Agree with Froy on what part? I never said anything was "cool".

I never said anything negative about Chuck and I never have anything negative to say about him.

[Adam]

fair enough...

Defend Froy if you like, just understand this: when I see some neighborhood bully picking on some kid, I'll call him on it and when I catch Froy slinging gross, anti-social crap in the midst of a birthday celebration, don't be so surprised if I come out of lurk mode to call jerk a jerk.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Adam says:

fair enough...

Defend Froy if you like, just understand this: when I see some neighborhood bully picking on some kid, I'll call him on it and when I catch Froy slinging gross, anti-social crap in the midst of a birthday celebration, don't be so surprised if I come out of lurk mode to call jerk a jerk.

Yikes, I now I know what I sound like talking to my kids "bully" friends - LOL

Adam, instead of just coming out of lurk mode to "call a jerk a jerk", you should come out more and post about STYX!!!!!

[Monker]

Anyway, my point was to Adam. It SEEMS that he (Adam) posts on the board only to harass Froy. He doesn't add anything to any of the threads, just attacks Froy and what he posts. I was sticking up for Froy because of that.

so what. You said the same type of things to me, about me, too.

It is NOT your position to decide what is a quality post, and what isn't worthy of the forums time. If all Adam wants to do is respond to Froy's anal antics, that's between him and froy...not you, him and froy.

When you do such things you put YOURSELF in the crossfire. No one is at fault but you. And, when someone else comes in to defend you, then they have added their body to the pile as well.

[Monker]

[qupte]
Quote:
The sniper is Froy.


Does that make you the target?
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anybody or anything that posts something positive about Styx is the target of Froy.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Okay Monker



I'm too tired to argue today and figure out who said what when on this thread............................[/img]

[Monker]

Adam, instead of just coming out of lurk mode to "call a jerk a jerk", you should come out more and post about STYX!!!!!

and, instead of worrying about what everybody else posts maybe you should post more about Styx too.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Okay Monker