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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:29 pm

That door is wide open!!! I can't wait for the one show!!! :)

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Styx Sense
Guitarist Tommy Shaw comments on the ghost of Dennis DeYoung.

By Don Zulaica

Add Styx to the list of legendary ’70s rock bands that have worked out their differences with past lead singers and are now moving forward (see also: Journey, The Doobie Brothers, Pink Floyd). The infamous rift between the band and Dennis DeYoung – vocalist on such Styx hits as “Too Much Time On My Hands,” “Come Sail Away” and, of course, “Mr. Roboto” – was settled out of court in 2001, presumably for a large cash sum.
Armed with a new sound, the band – guitarists Tommy Shaw and James “J.Y.” Young, bassist Ricky Phillips, drummer Todd Sucherman and new vocalist Lawrence Gowan – has finally put out a new album, Big Bang Theory. We caught up with the group prior to their August appearance at Saratoga’s Mountain Winery, and put the screws to Tommy Shaw about their departed frontman.

The Wave: Dennis DeYoung was such a signature voice, and now you’ve got Lawrence Gowan at the helm.
Tommy Shaw: Lawrence is a guy who is highly overqualified for the gig. I think that’s the thing – Styx has always chosen good people. I’d like to think of myself as among them, because I’m a new guy, too. [Laughs] For the longest time I was the new guy, and also the youngest. Those days are over now.

TW: Where did you find him?
TS: Lawrence had a very successful solo career in Canada, and still would if we weren’t keeping him busy. His most memorable song is called “A Criminal Mind,” which is the song that I think attracted us all to him at first. He opened for us in Montreal – all by himself on piano – [and] he brought the house down. We weren’t used to that going on before us. We thought that was reserved for us. [Laughs] He was literally getting the same kind of encores that we hoped to get. There are certain people who are born to perform and he’s definitely that.

TW: You’re probably not going to be able to say much about the split with Dennis DeYoung.
TS: The one thing that I would never do is talk down about anybody I’ve worked with, because what was wrong with me for working with somebody that I didn’t have respect for? I have a great amount of respect for Dennis. Those records will always stand on their own, and we had some great years together. There comes times in people’s lives where it’s best to move on. Those songs are great, we do those songs amazing justice. One thing Styx has always done is carry on – I mean, it’s in the song. That’s really what we’ve always done, from the time I joined the band until [now]. Todd took [original drummer] Johnny [Panozzo’s] place when he passed away. The band has always maintained a high level of musicality, and we’re carrying on that proud tradition.

TW: Like Foreigner, Toto and local favorites Journey, you’ve gotten something of a knock for being called “corporate rock.”
TS: I think if you try to label us “corporate,” you’d find everybody is corporate now. You’ve got to survive in order to play your music at the end of the day. Otherwise you’re the tree that fell in the forest and nobody heard you. To this day, we’re still waiting for a corporate sponsor to step up. We’ve always funded ourselves, so we always thought it was ironic that we got labeled [as “corporate rock”]. At the end of the day, the truck’s got to have fuel, the hotel room’s got to get paid for and everybody is on salary. Like it or not, it’s a business.

TW: You guys have just run the ship pretty tightly.
TS: The nice thing about this band is that everybody’s in agreement to make this a full-time enterprise. We can make plans for the future without it being too much trouble. By the time we’re in the middle of something like this [tour], we start planning the next thing. Really, in order to do things right, you need months of preparation time. You can look at Pollstar and see how many tours don’t do well. And you’d think they would, but there are so many little elements that add up at the end of the day that make the difference between a tour being able to sustain itself or just collapsing under its own weight. So we’ve had some great experiences, and we just keep working on it, and we’ve built this crew that is just as bad-ass as the band. Any artist will tell you, you’re only as good as your crew.
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Postby sadie65 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:38 pm

Enlighten me...what do you envision this show being and why would it be something you think would be good?

Just curious.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:45 pm

Wasn't I just talking with you off-line? LOL :?

It's just something that I want. Before I go up to the pearly white gates, there are a few things in life that I would like to happen. I pretty much lived my personal dreams and then some. I love to make dreams come true and I would like this one happen for myself. I really miss Dennis and Tommy's vocals together, they were special and I'd bet money that this can and will happen for one special night.

Of course I would love to see this happen in Milwaukee because I'm too lazy to drive farther (insert road trip joke), I can see this put together and happen in the Chicago area. Money talks and if the money is there and it's offered, they will get together. :)

There's also a few other concerts that I would like to see happen and those WILL happen, no problem.
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Postby sadie65 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:49 pm

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Wasn't I just talking with you off-line? LOL :?

It's just something that I want. Before I go up to the pearly white gates, there are a few things in life that I would like to happen. I pretty much lived my personal dreams and then some. I love to make dreams come true and I would like this one happen for myself. I really miss Dennis and Tommy's vocals together, they were special and I'd bet money that this can and will happen for one special night.

Of course I would love to see this happen in Milwaukee because I'm too lazy to drive farther (insert road trip joke), I can see this put together and happen in the Chicago area. Money talks and if the money is there and it's offered, they will get together. :)

There's also a few other concerts that I would like to see happen and those WILL happen, no problem.


Yes you were just talking to me.

I know money talks, but that just isn't a good enough reason for me. I understand what you are saying, but, again, for me, if what they get together for is money...sorry count me out.

But if you want it, then I hope you get it. Just be careful what you wish for.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:57 pm

I just read your email. Yes, I understand what you're saying. I'm just thinking about myself in this situation and not the pain that both families went through. You're right, you are totally right.

I was watching the Borders tape again the other day and I really enjoyed their harmonies.

OH MY GOSH, you're not kidding about being careful what I wish for :shock: UNBELIEVABLE!!

I do wish that I can win the lottery!!! I know, just like everyone else wishes!!

I hope everyone's having a GREAT night!!
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:48 pm

DDY sang TMTOMY??? WOW!
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Postby classicstyxfan » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:04 pm

He does a pretty good Tommy imitation, don't you think ?? :lol:
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Re: DeYoung & Shaw (see I told you)

Postby Monker » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:04 pm

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:That door is wide open!!! I can't wait for the one show!!! :)
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Quite frankly, I don't see how you get that idea when you put your highlight in the context of the paragraph - where he says that there comes a time to move on....which, BTW, Dennis has said too It's way past the time for fans to move on from this - but, this forum itself is enough evidence to show that some will never do it.

If you want to look forward to a DeYoung/Shaw concert...I don't mind. Some people still look forward to Perry's next album too.

I'll look forward to a new Styx album, or DY album...whichever comes first. Cuz it's not an invention of wishful thinking.
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Re: DeYoung & Shaw (see I told you)

Postby froy » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:45 pm

Monker wrote:
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:That door is wide open!!! I can't wait for the one show!!! :)
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Quite frankly, I don't see how you get that idea when you put your highlight in the context of the paragraph - where he says that there comes a time to move on....which, BTW, Dennis has said too It's way past the time for fans to move on from this - but, this forum itself is enough evidence to show that some will never do it.

If you want to look forward to a DeYoung/Shaw concert...I don't mind. Some people still look forward to Perry's next album too.

I'll look forward to a new Styx album, or DY album...whichever comes first. Cuz it's not an invention of wishful thinking.



Actually Monker Shaw said move on within the context of Styx
I think what is being talked about is Shaw joining Dennis at one of his shows as a sign of a peace jesture. I have no proof of this just speculating. Shaw is a Dennis fan he does not hate him like JY does.
Shaw likes to be liked he is hated within the Dennis fan base
All he has to do is do a special guest spot at one of Dennis's shows and he has done damage control. I would applaud the guy if he did it
It would take balls.
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Postby bugsymalone » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:20 pm

Maybe I read this interview too quickly, but I took away from it Tommy staying with Current Styx and moving on to the next Current STYX project.

My feeling is, he has heard the many, many complaints about the Current Styx camp (read JY), being the ones with no class, being the ones who are bitter and hateful towards Dennis, and I think he likely does not like being painted with that broad brush. He has also bound to have seen that Dennis is always the gentleman in his public utterances about his former group. I get the impression he would like to be seen in that positive light as well.

I certainly get no inkling that he would like to rejoin with Dennis in any way, shape or form. I see his public comments here as an attempt at image repair and countering the negative utterances of his band mate, JY.

My take only. Could be reading too much into it.

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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:21 pm

Froy says:

Shaw is a Dennis fan he does not hate him like JY does.


Exactly!!

I think, Tommy does what's good for Tommy. He'll perform with who he feels like performing with. Look at all the guest appearances he's been on and will continue in 2006.

Froy says:

Shaw likes to be liked he is hated within the Dennis fan base
All he has to do is do a special guest spot at one of Dennis's shows and he has done damage control. I would applaud the guy if he did it
It would take balls.


I agree!! :)

I keep thinking about the Chicago Borders situation.

Also in life, sometimes you just have to make peace with each other. I'm sure there are things that are just eating away with these guys, they need to do the "Metallica" and sit down and talk things out. I'll just take the DeYoung and Shaw, just one night, then they can go on. Just my opinion.

Monker, is Perry putting out an album????? Oh my Gosh, that would be so cool.

Did you hear the David Pack song with him? Is it somewhere on line?
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Postby jrnyman28 » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:47 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Monker, is Perry putting out an album????? Oh my Gosh, that would be so cool.

Did you hear the David Pack song with him? Is it somewhere on line?


No, Perry is not putting out an album. And there are soundclips of the David Pack song on MR.com and Pack's site. I am sure you could find it on a P2P program if you want, but I have not looked.
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Postby sadie65 » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:07 am

Tommy did a nice interview. Period. Will there be another Styx cd, probably. Will he and Dennis patch things up...dunno. I don't necessarily agree that Dennis has ALWAYS been a perfect gentleman in interviews, but i do think in the last few years, he's realized it's not worth it to mudsling and drive the fans further apart.

I think Tommy is Tommy, just as JY is JY, and Dennis is Dennis. Do I think a reunion among any of them is a good thing. Not a chance. I'd rather they carry on seperately.

Thanks for posting a very nice interview with Tommy. Perhaps we should discuss that. LOL
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Postby bugsymalone » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:36 am

I don't necessarily agree that Dennis has ALWAYS been a perfect gentleman in interviews, but i do think in the last few years, he's realized it's not worth it to mudsling and drive the fans further apart.


Yeah. I think I over-stated there. I do think the balance sheet on positivity about his former band and bandmates is weighted towards DDY, at least in the last few years. I also think Tommy would like for their side to have a bit more positivity as well. In the grand scheme of things, it makes everyone look good.

Thanks for posting a very nice interview with Tommy. Perhaps we should discuss that. LOL


It was a good interview and let me second that thank you to Suite. :)

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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:46 am

Sadie says:

Tommy did a nice interview. Period.


Yes he did, I'm so proud of him. I'm so glad he was positive :)

Will there be another Styx cd, probably.


Yes, they'll take their break in the winter of 2005 (LOL) work on the cd and it should be ready for 2007.

Will he and Dennis patch things up...dunno.


Yes, I think so. It will be a one time deal and then they can go on with what they're doing separately.

I don't necessarily agree that Dennis has ALWAYS been a perfect gentleman in interviews, but i do think in the last few years, he's realized it's not worth it to mudsling and drive the fans further apart
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Totally agree. I heard numerous interviews over the years and you hit that one right on the head :)

I think Tommy is Tommy, just as JY is JY, and Dennis is Dennis. Do I think a reunion among any of them is a good thing. Not a chance. I'd rather they carry on seperately.


Chuck is Chuck, Todd is Todd, Glen is Glen, Ricky is Ricky, Larry is Larry. LOL I know what you're saying, I'm just being a smart ass.

Overall and in reality I don't think a reunion is a good thing, it's actually pretty terrible especially since so many people (on both sides and beyond) were hurt by all of this. All I want (for myself) and maybe someone else is just a little closure. Shaw isn't in a contract with Carrot Styx and he can do this. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few other bands getting back together just that one last time, all for closure. They're all getting older, they need the closure. Closure is the keyword of the day.

Thanks for posting a very nice interview with Tommy. Perhaps we should discuss that.


NO THANK YOU - and our mutual friend Yes, it's a very nice interview with Tommy.

Okay, let's discuss Tommy's interview.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:51 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:
Will he and Dennis patch things up...dunno.


Yes, I think so. It will be a one time deal and then they can go on with what they're doing separately.


Why does "patching things up" have to equate to playing together publicly?
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Postby sadie65 » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:58 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:
Will he and Dennis patch things up...dunno.


Yes, I think so. It will be a one time deal and then they can go on with what they're doing separately.


Why does "patching things up" have to equate to playing together publicly?


It doesn't for me. For Suite, the idea that if they patched things up they might play together on stage is what I was responding to.

I myself, while recognizing that it could be a possibility that they work together again, doubt it would bring the closure Suite speaks of, but hey I am normally pragmatic (sometimes pessimistic-LOL), where she is normally optimistic.

I'd like to think the men could find closure, but I doubt it.
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Postby Monker » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:08 am

> Monker, is Perry putting out an album????? Oh my Gosh, that would be so cool.

No. He'll never record another album or go on tour again.

> Did you hear the David Pack song with him? Is it somewhere on line?

No. I have no interest in hearing Perry sing a couple lines of a song, or background vocals, or screaming something in Gaelic. That is what Perry has been reduced to...a sideman, a 'special guest', but no longer a person with a solo singing career.

> Actually Monker Shaw said move on within the context of Styx

He said, "There comes times in people’s lives where it’s best to move on. " It's best to move on from Styx with Dennis. It's best to move on from Styx without Dennis. Some fans are unable to do that...you can't even understand that you should.

I think about what Styx and Tommy have planned for the next couple, or few, years...and there are REAL projects there. I look at Dennis and I see nothing but a 'work in progress' album, and probably more touring. Perhaps if Dennis had some concrete plans to build a future you guys wouldn't be inventing things like this.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:11 am

Sadie says:

I myself, while recognizing that it could be a possibility that they work together again, doubt it would bring the closure Suite speaks of, but hey I am normally pragmatic (sometimes pessimistic-LOL), where she is normally optimistic.


Oh crap, more words for me to look up on dictionary.com - LOL I think in my life I really, really try to be very optimistic. Just ask Froy and this whole Roger Canada thing, I knew everything would work out, it always does. I love to think positive :)

I'd like to think the men could find closure, but I doubt it.


See, in my heart, I think they could find closure. Life is so damn short.

I hope you ALL have a GREAT day!!!!!
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:23 am

Monker, do you think that Perry is done forever? Do you think he'll ever record an album or go on any stage ever again? Do you think his voice is somewhat gone or he made the decision not to do anything anymore because he just doesn't want to or is there more?

Just wondering your opinion and anyone elses. I read the Journey boards here and there.

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Postby Monker » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:03 am

Monker, do you think that Perry is done forever? Do you think he'll ever record an album or go on any stage ever again?


I don't think he would do it solo. Maybe as a one time guest at someone elses concert - so he won't be the only person in the spotlight.

Do you think his voice is somewhat gone or he made the decision not to do anything anymore because he just doesn't want to or is there more?


I think it's a combination of both.

His voice obviously 'broke' on the ROR tour. Listen to some live stuff from the middle of the ROR tour and you can hear how raspy and low his vocals are, compared to the Frontiers tour. I think he somewhat recovered for his last solo tour, but his voice was still raspy with a limited range.

So, I don't think he wants to take a stage and sing the songs he is famous for, or be in the spotlight and under scrutiny, because he simply can't do those songs justice any longer.

I also don't think he wants to 'work' any longer. It seems he does little things for the fun of it. When a project is something larger and has more work involved, he simply is not enthused enough to do it. Like the MTV Escape concert...he is supposed to be remastering that with JDK and releasing it for Crhistmas....well, that was said something like three years ago...

Finaly, I think his last few experiences with his solo projects sort of diffused him of any interest on recording anything new. He had to work deals to get his last single from FTLOSM released...agreeing to do the Journey reunion in return. But, Sony did not promote the single. Then the entire Journey reunion fell apart. His last released single, "I Stand Alone", hardly did anything at all. It seems the general public and radio is simply not very interested in new Perry solo material. Fans will disagree...but facts are facts. His drummer Moyes Lucas even posted at his site (YEARS ago) that he talked to Perry and Perry said that if his solo albums started selling again and were on the radio constantly, he may put the FTLOSM band back together for a tour. So, he told Perry fans to request the solo songs to radio, and buy extra copies of albums, etc, to encourage Perry to tour...But, nothing ever came of it.

I really belive, IMO, that after his last solo albums and songs were released that he looked at his life and career and made the decision to let all of it go and start living life for himself instead through his music. So, all of these things that you may feel are 'important' to a singer (recording music, performing, etc) became secondary to everyday things, like ordering a pizza and watching a good movie. Doing anything related to music is WAY down on his priority list now...in my opinion...and has been for YEARS now. For that reason, I don't see him taking a year of time out of his life to record an album or tour.
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Postby bugsymalone » Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:02 am

You know, I know very little about Steve Perry other than his being the signature voice for Journey for so long. I really enjoyed the music that group made when he was their lead singer.

Sounds like the fire has died inside of him as to making and performing music anymore. He is most certainly entitled to live the quiet life now. He earned his place as a rock and roll legend.

Monker, thanks for that information about Mr. Perry. It was most informative and enlightening, in my view.

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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:05 am

Monker says:

I don't think he would do it solo. Maybe as a one time guest at someone elses concert - so he won't be the only person in the spotlight.


That makes sense. I was happy to see that he was at the HWOF. It seems, to me, that he's getting out there a little more now than the past few years.

That would be exciting if he appeared as a surprise guest at a concert.

His voice obviously 'broke' on the ROR tour. Listen to some live stuff from the middle of the ROR tour and you can hear how raspy and low his vocals are, compared to the Frontiers tour. I think he somewhat recovered for his last solo tour, but his voice was still raspy with a limited range
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That I didn't know. All I have are STYX boots, I'll have to search for the Journey ones and check them out, that's very interesting.

So, I don't think he wants to take a stage and sing the songs he is famous for, or be in the spotlight and under scrutiny, because he simply can't do those songs justice any longer.


That's sad and what you wrote does make sense. After reading this, I think of Lou Gramm. A few people said that his voice is not the same at all and it doesn't do the songs justice anymore. People remember what the songs sound like on the radio, cd or older concerts.

I also don't think he wants to 'work' any longer. It seems he does little things for the fun of it. When a project is something larger and has more work involved, he simply is not enthused enough to do it. Like the MTV Escape concert...he is supposed to be remastering that with JDK and releasing it for Crhistmas....well, that was said something like three years ago...


I go to JDK's site pretty often and also read the old letters, you're right. If you see any with Dennis DeYoung and Steve Perry together, those are mine. I think he answered 2 of my questions in the last 2 years.


Monker, thanks for all your comments on this, I really do appreciate them :)
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Postby DarwinNebraska » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:41 am

Dennis and Tommy are not going to work on any sort of project together outside of an eventual Styx reunion. Period.

Please quit trying to pass off your fantasies as inside information.

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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:37 am

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Dennis and Tommy are not going to work on any sort of project together outside of an eventual Styx reunion. Period.

Please quit trying to pass off your fantasies as inside information.

Thank you.


Okay DawinNebraska no problem. Is there anything else you would like me to do or not to post?
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Postby froy » Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:41 am

DarwinNebraska wrote:Dennis and Tommy are not going to work on any sort of project together outside of an eventual Styx reunion. Period.

Please quit trying to pass off your fantasies as inside information.

Thank you.


First off Nebraska Suite never said it was inside info
Second off all who are you to say what Shaw and Deyoung are going to do. They did the borders book store show so to hook up again outside of Styx could very well happen. It could happen at say a small private show 300 people at a hotel ballroom Ya just never know,
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:30 pm

Froy says:

First off Nebraska Suite never said it was inside info
Second off all who are you to say what Shaw and Deyoung are going to do. They did the borders book store show so to hook up again outside of Styx could very well happen. It could happen at say a small private show 300 people at a hotel ballroom Ya just never know,


Thanks Froy :)

I didn't think I said anything about "inside information" in this thread.

No one knows what they're future plans are. All I know is that anything can happen especially in the entertainment world.

I love watching the Chicago Borders tape.

Small private show? Wouldn't that be something? WOW!! 8)
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