The Divas over on the Journey board...........

[Rockindeano]

were "overheard" complaining to Andrew how they didn't think Journey should be listed underneath Styx in the Forums table of Contents.....

Lie. I KNOW why it was changed, and you just made up a lie.

acquiesced, and moved Journey to the top position, in spite of the fact theat the Styx board has over 20 percent more posts than it's unworthy competition !

Like Monker said, Journey can add 10,000 posts since it was interrupted..

I think I speak for my fellow posters here on the Styx board in saying
"Andrew, we understand.........." If it makes them feel better having their less popular forum for an obvoiusly inferior band listed 1st, we are OK with that here.......

You're funny, and stupid. Let me ask you something. "Obviously inferior band." Are you on crack? Let's see; Journey 41million USA/75 million worldwide units sold, Twigs, 27 million USA/42 million worldwide. Um, let me do the math..twice has many. And if Journey is the inferior band, why did they close all the shows on the Main Event? And Twigs had to open half the time, with REO. lol, you are retarded, and a complete homer.

because , we know, and they know Journey isn't fit to carry Styx collective jock strap !!!

I sincerely hope you are joking. If you know anything about music at all, you would never say that. Journey is leaps and bound more talented than Styx. It just isn't close. Lol at myopic Twigs fans..

[classicstyxfan]

Deano Deano Deano..............

1st off, it's not my fault all of you wackos over there cant play nice......
If you got kicked off the baord due to collective bad behavior, well, too bad for you. the penalty ? your posts prior to your punishment do not count, much like a felon must pay for the rest of his life with the title "convicted felon".

#2, if you want to define the quality of a band via total sales, well, I guess that Means Journey will never be the musicians that Michael Jackson is now will they ? I rest my case on that little point. I believe the jist of my argument was Styx is the Better band, not the most popular, with the exception of our 4,000 post lead in the "polls" here.

By the way, which of the 2 bands was the 1st to have 4 platinum albums in a row ? hint, it wasnt Journey ! and which band was voted most popular band in the world in 79 ??? Speak up, I cant heeeeeear you !

[Angiekay]

Egad NO!! I'm one of "those" people that have no life and that comes to this board all the time 24/7 (LOL) I need to keep STYX somewhere on top when I come here.

Ok, go alphabetical backwards!

[Rockindeano]

You gotta be kidding right? You actually think Andrew moved Journey to the top simply because Deano (a member who has been given at least one vacation) said Journey should be #1? I am positive that was all Andrew's idea.

Dave, I know you dislike me, and believe me, that's fine, but I got news for you; You are wrong on all accounts in this paragraph. It was changed NOT to start an argument like has ensued here, but rather something else; And I wil never reveal it.

BTW...how many people did Styx play to on their recent tour?

Now that is a solid staement. I know the author said it was sarcasm, but I think they are serious in wanting to compare bands. This won't be a Journey vs. Perry thing..This will be easy.

Now we can keep it fun and light..A little border skirmish..keeps everyone fired up about their teams, err, band.

[Rockindeano]

Deano Deano Deano..............

1st off, it's not my fault all of you wackos over there cant play nice......
If you got kicked off the baord due to collective bad behavior, well, too bad for you. the penalty ? your posts prior to your punishment do not count, much like a felon must pay for the rest of his life with the title "convicted felon".

#2, if you want to define the quality of a band via total sales, well, I guess that Means Journey will never be the musicians that Michael Jackson is now will they ? I rest my case on that little point. I believe the jist of my argument was Styx is the Better band, not the most popular, with the exception of our 4,000 post lead in the "polls" here.

By the way, which of the 2 bands was the 1st to have 4 platinum albums in a row ? hint, it wasnt Journey ! and which band was voted most popular band in the world in 79 ??? Speak up, I cant heeeeeear you !

You just sound more stupid with every post. Of course record sales don't mean shit, unless they are the same genre as your competitor.

You say popularity doesn't mean anything, yet you just get done saying Styx was voted most popular band in the world in 79! Make up your mind tard. Speak up? Ok, if you want that logic, Journey got voted Number 1 in Gallup poll 1981 and 1983.. Can you hear me now?

You aren't even worth debating. This is like sports conferences. Journey's 4th best poster is better than your 1st.

Now I was willing to be light and easy about this, but you escalated it. And you are serious too. If any other good Styx fans are not into this please stay out. I know a number of you are good folks, but your boy here called us out.

Better band? Like I said, if Twigs was the better band, why did they not close ONE show on the Main Event Tour? I guess Journey was just the more popular, but that doesn't mean anything, unless it's a vote about 1979?

Even Bugsy questioned your "better band" bullshit. It's ok to be passionate, just bring facts dude.


Now,if Styx is the better band, please tell me so I will know. I am here now for the duration.

[swwskj]

Deano,

I suppose that's why they call it preference. For whatever reason given a choice of the Journey catalog -vs- the Styx catalog to take with me on the proverbial desert island question I would choose Styx. Now at some time a couple months back a Journey fan posted the question "who's better Styx or Journey?" My response then is the same as it is now. Are you asking overall or at the present time? If it's at the present time then Journey is better. Actually several people here answered the same way.

So there are several here who can put blind loyalty aside and be rational if for only short intervals. You've also got forgive our rather 'weak' conference. We're starting up over here, have a limited number of scholarships we can offer, our stadiums are small and in need of renovation and don't even get me started about alumni donations. We also don't have quite the history of near constant debate on which to better hone our skills.

In the end you will believe what you will. The last two Styx albums, while not up to the standards of 'Classic' material certainly have their own merit. I just picked up "Generations" and am thoroughly impressed with it. I LOVED "Arrival" and think Generations has potential to be even better. But let's face it, even bad Journey or Styx albums still stomp the shit out of just about anything out there now.

So yeah I lean Styx way. Why? Hard to explain, just my taste I guess. As for The Noble Cause's avatar and the great Bond debate. Sean Connery should be the best Bond. Nearly every argument can be won by him, yet I would rather watch The Spy Who Loved Me than You Only Live Twice anyday. Once again, just my taste and it doesn't take anything away from Connery. BTW, I think that Timothy Dalton is highly underrated for his Bond roles. He according to Cubby Brocolli was the closest to the Bond of the novels.

Scott

[Rockindeano]

Scott-

Thank you. That's the kind of debate that is fun to type out. I have no problem with you or anyone taking a Styx preference, none whatsoever. The way he provoked us, you want us to bend over and grab our ankles? I think I smoked his argument, and his argument was rather weak. I like Styx, always have. I liked all their cd's up until BBY..I don't like bands getting lazy and doing covers, but that's just my op...

He was relentless in his attacks, and was all over the place. However, for him to say that Styx is a better band, I don't care what year or time frame, is just wrong.

Anyway Scott, thanks for providing the voice of reason. However, if that idiot comes back with something( I don't see how he can now), I will take him on. There are real nice people on the Styx forum, and I don't want to piss them off...after all, they didn't start this whinig pissing crying match.

Dean

[sadie65]

Wow...go to sleep for a few hours and look what happens.

I like both Journey and Styx. I finally got to hear Generations and own Arrival. Like Scott, I like them both. And of course I own nearly all of Journey's other commercial releases.

While I, myself, am not crazy about the music that Styx has put out recently, I obviously enjoyed what they brought to the table.

Since I never got to see Journey perform live (something I hope to soon rectify) I have only their recordings to go by. I've at least had that pleasure with Styx.

The quality of posts on each board varies with the posters of course. I have had run ins with Deano, and yet, I have also found him to be fair minded more often than not. Just as I have often found Classic to be fair and open minded. I think you both brought some decent points, and I'd hate for this to escalate beyond what I am sure started in silliness.

I'm all for debate, and certainly respect everyone's right to assert who they prefer. As for popularity contests, while Journey is indeed selling more concert seats, it's doubtful that either band could ever be deemed popular again. Each had it's own niche back in the day, which I suspect, is what brought all of us here in the first place. Let's all enjoy the music. And if not, I have plenty of popcorn to go around.

Peace

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Deano says:

Dave, I know you dislike me, and believe me, that's fine, but I got news for you; You are wrong on all accounts in this paragraph. It was changed NOT to start an argument like has ensued here, but rather something else; And I wil never reveal it.

Yikes, actually Deano did request to have Journey moved on top and yes it won't be revealed (it better not), but sorry to say I "guess" it had to do with me. I had no idea that it was going to get out of control and the name calling was going to start. But "we" are posting more on here, I guess - LOL


Deano says:

You aren't even worth debating. This is like sports conferences. Journey's 4th best poster is better than your 1st.

So looking at the "rankings" it looks like I'm the 1st STYX poster and The Noble Cause is the Journey 4th poster. LOL Bring it on!! LOL

[bugsymalone]

Even Bugsy questioned your "better band" bullshit. It's ok to be passionate, just bring facts dude.


Now,if Styx is the better band, please tell me so I will know. I am here now for the duration. l

Hold on, HOLD ON! I was saying that in the context of how SOME people feel, that is, the posters on the Journey board.

I, myself feel Styx was the far better band with a much more complex brand of music. But that is MY opinion.

And I do like Journey, with Steve Perry as the lead singer, very much.

Now -- Current Styx? Current Journey? I just have no opinion since both are performing with different personnel, for the most part, from that which brought all the fans to the table in the first place.

Bugsy

[classicstyxfan]

Deano,

I hear your main man joined the Steve Walsh "I used to be an awesome lead singer, but just listen to me now" club in the clubhouse of the White Sox !

At least all my guys can still carry a tune!!!! SP couldnt win, place or show at your local taverns Karaoke night !!

I started this thread to liven the place up a little bit.........Result: Success

I also wanted to see if / long it would take to rile up the Journey side......Result: Success / not long at all.

Am I serious in thinking Styx is a better band than Journey ? absolutely ! do I want to engage in a SERIOUS dabate about it ? If you read my body of posts, you'd know I don't want to be serious about ANYTHING here, I come here strictly to be entertained.......to which end I must thank you, cus your posts on this thread have most certainly been, if nothing else, entertaining !

So, if you wish to claim "victory" in a debate about a topic that is actually 100 percent SUBJECTIVE by all means, be my guest ! Now go thump your chest or whatever it is you do to celebreate, just know I appreciate the chuckles !

-Classic

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Deano says:

Better band? Like I said, if Twigs was the better band, why did they not close ONE show on the Main Event Tour?

I thought Carrot Styx closed out a couple of the shows for the Main Event and it wasn't just Journey that did.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

DELETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bugsymalone]

I started this thread to liven the place up a little bit.........Result: Success

I also wanted to see if / long it would take to rile up the Journey side......Result: Success / not long at all.

Oh you most definitely kick-started this place in, well, Classic fashion!

Bugsy

[Rockindeano]

classic, no offence,

You got your ass kicked. I am done with you. Tell ya what. You stay here and rub one out to Styx and tell yourself everything is just awesome, and stay out of the top board, the BIG leagues.

You were owned...Plain and simple.


SMB, you're full of crap too. Styx will NEVER be more popular than Journey..never have, never will.

I have someplace to go now.

[Monker]

Maybe it should be made fair to all the whiners and whinees involved and put everything in alphabetical order.

I think it should be by who has the lead singer with the largest nose.

[Monker]

Wasn't Steve Perry Manilow Journey's lead singer for a while ????

He wrote, Open Arms and Weekend in New England didn't he ????

The order of the writing credits have nothing to do with who wrote the song! Jonathan Cain wrote the song, Perry just wanted the credit!

[classicstyxfan]

Deano Said:

You got your ass kicked. I am done with you. Tell ya what. You stay here and rub one out to Styx and tell yourself everything is just awesome, and stay out of the top board, the BIG leagues.

You were owned...Plain and simple.


Classic Says: ( after the laughing fit ended....... )

Whatever you say President Dewey...

Signed, Harry T.

Say, isnt Deano's self proclimation of victory reminiscent of a professional wrestler in front of a camera in the interview room ? or is it just the humor in both that makes them eerily similar ?

Just wondering.

[sadie65]

EXCELLENT point Classic! Actually NO other band can ever claim that, especially Journey, any line-ups.

I'm not sure that's true anymore. I know they were the first, but I don't think are the only...anymore.

I thought Carrot Styx closed out a couple of the shows for the Main Event and it wasn't just Journey that did.

No, Styx never closed Main Event. Always Journey. Styx rotated opening between themselves and REO. I know this, only because there were many Styx fans up in arms about it. (I of course, was not one of them).

If I have the time to research (LOL) I'll find the information for you that STYX indeed ranked higher in popularity than Journey for more years than just 1979.

[/quote]

What would be the point? Not trying to fight here. But it's pretty clear each "side" has it's own idea of what popular is. Munching on popcorn again.

[bugsymalone]

Just to clear things up. I think the record is four TRIPLE platinum albums in a row. There are many artists with way more than 4 platinum albums in a row.

As to whether Styx still holds this honor, I am not sure. I have never heard it disputed.

Bugsy

[jrnyman28]

Dave, I know you dislike me, and believe me, that's fine, but I got news for you; You are wrong on all accounts in this paragraph. It was changed NOT to start an argument like has ensued here, but rather something else; And I wil never reveal it.

Dude, I have nothing against you. I only mentioned the "vacation" to show that Andrew would not have changed the order of listing simply because you (a person he has had an occassional issue with) said something. You have me extremely curious what the "real reason" might be, but it is not that big a deal. And that was the other point to my post...that this is no big deal. Still, I am sure it was still Andrew's idea, so which part was I wrong about?

And to the rest of the board, I am glad that this was meant as humor. I didn't mean to sound bent out of shape but as I re-read my post Isee that I did.

In the end, "who's better" is all subjective. Like SMB said, it is great that these two bands still inspire the passion for us to talk about them. The only stat I find particularly interesting about the board is that Journey has almost equalled the number of posts with HALF the threads. I guess that shows how much we like to bicker...

[classicstyxfan]

so, after re-reading this entire thread, I have come to the conclusion that my usage of the word Divas in the thread title was.........appropriate !

perhaps it shouldn't have been plural though ( )

[jrnyman28]

BTW, as I read the rest of the thread there were good points to both arguments, but I have a question: When did Babe come out? Wasn't it 1978 or 1979? IMO Babe is the Open Arms of Styx and it came out at least 2 years earlier (I think). Since someone called Journey wimpy (did they say 'pussy') rock, I guess they were simply following Styx' lead...

(Meant with humor)

[classicstyxfan]

Journeyman, you make a good point.......if you re-read my post, I was quick to infer that that the same charge could be leveled against Styx as well, at least that was my intent. Both bands did some songs that brought out their "Sensitive" side..

[DeeJaySTYX]

Well, since the Journey forum was deleted at one time there are at least 10,000 more posts you can add to Journey's total...and the fact that Journey is catching up to Styx' total every day ..even though the Styx forum has a few years head start...I think the case can be made for Journey...

With that said and to be fair, The Styx board was Edited down to about 5 topics at one point..In fact all of the Discussion boards were edited...

[DeeJaySTYX]

BTW, as I read the rest of the thread there were good points to both arguments, but I have a question: When did Babe come out? Wasn't it 1978 or 1979? IMO Babe is the Open Arms of Styx and it came out at least 2 years earlier (I think). Since someone called Journey wimpy (did they say 'pussy') rock, I guess they were simply following Styx' lead...

(Meant with humor)

Whoever said that, I'll have to disagree with him/her...I enjoy listening to the music of both bands....

[Angiekay]

However, for him to say that Styx is a better band, I don't care what year or time frame, is just wrong.

If you really feel that way and can be rational about people having their own options, then how can YOU say that Journey is a better band? You're just doing the same thing he is, aren't you? Opinion against opinion is all it is.

[DeeJaySTYX]

Maybe it should be made fair to all the whiners and whinees involved and put everything in alphabetical order.

I think it should be by who has the lead singer with the largest nose.

Whatever you say, Pinocchio...

[NealIsGod]

Just found out about this "controversy". This would make a great skit - Journey and Styx fans battling it out in an alley over whose forum gets the coveted #1 spot. I think the best song to play during the battle would be "Too Much Time on My Hands".

[Angiekay]

Just found out about this "controversy". This would make a great skit - Journey and Styx fans battling it out in an alley over whose forum gets the coveted #1 spot. I think the best song to play during the battle would be "Too Much Time on My Hands".

Celebrity Death Match!!! The battle of the arena bands!