Going on 7 Years........

[Monker]

As far as who is a novelty act, well lets put it this way, would anybody attend a STYX show if they just did new material or a Dennis show for that matter

THAT is my point. It is VERY hypocritical to argue that Styx is doing such and such when Dennis is doing EXACTLY the same thing. HE is stuck in the past as much, or even MORE, then Styx. His solo stuff is NOT flying up the charts.

And, if Styx went on tour with nothing but new material - I would be there. They know how to entertain.

Also, they are NOT "Dennis' songs". They are Styx songs. If the intention was for those songs to be 'his', then he should have saved them for a solo album.

[classicstyxfan]

So in the interest of Political Correctness, the songs in question should henceforth be referred to as which of the following ?

" songs written by Dennis DeYoung that were previously performed by Styx"

"songs previously appearing on CD's released by Styx that happened to be written by Mr DeYoung"

or perhaps there are other options???

either way, I feel the callous at the end of my typing fingers gettin a workout.........

It's just semantics folks.

[sadie65]

Yes it is semantics. Good lord, when the majority of the songs were written, no one expected the band to splinter and eventually break. Certainly not its own members.

And then we have the argument about "flying up the charts" used when it's convenient (by either side) to somehow make a point, only to be refuted by the "other side" about charting no longer mattering.

Go see who you like, be happy that you still can see them, and enjoy the show.

Seems simple enough.

[Abitaman]

Yes it is semantics. Good lord, when the majority of the songs were written, no one expected the band to splinter and eventually break. Certainly not its own members.

And then we have the argument about "flying up the charts" used when it's convenient (by either side) to somehow make a point, only to be refuted by the "other side" about charting no longer mattering.

Go see who you like, be happy that you still can see them, and enjoy the show.

Seems simple enough.

TOO TRUE-ERIC

[styxfanNH]

So in the interest of Political Correctness, the songs in question should henceforth be referred to as which of the following ?

" songs written by Dennis DeYoung that were previously performed by Styx"

"songs previously appearing on CD's released by Styx that happened to be written by Mr DeYoung"

or perhaps there are other options???

either way, I feel the callous at the end of my typing fingers gettin a workout.........

It's just semantics folks.

I think the semantics games go along with "I wish they wouldn't play Dennis' songs" or "Dennis was THE (only) voice of Styx" or "They are using HIS songs in their promos. Words like those belittle the input of the other members.

Sure Dennis wrote the some of the more recognizable songs - ballads - but the others have had input into those songs as well, not to mention their own songs.

I think there would be less of an issue to the words if it wasn't for the tone they were used in.

And how Dennis left Styx, really shouldn't have anything to do with the songs that are associated with the long history of the band, but instead be celebrated for his role in the band when he was there.

[sadie65]

I think the semantics games go along with "I wish they wouldn't play Dennis' songs" or "Dennis was THE (only) voice of Styx" or "They are using HIS songs in their promos. Words like those belittle the input of the other members.

I disagree that they belittle the input of the other members. I do think they are imflammatory though, simply because the songs are Styx songs as well as being "his" songs. I think it muddies waters to be sure for some folks.

Sure Dennis wrote the some of the more recognizable songs - ballads - but the others have had input into those songs as well, not to mention their own songs.

Of course they did. That's what made/makes it a band. Unfortunately because they are ALL now nostalgia acts, it's going to be the songs the majority of people remember being used in promos. It's unfortunate for everyone involved when "his" voice is used in those promo spots.

I think there would be less of an issue to the words if it wasn't for the tone they were used in.

And for most people in the world, it isn't an issue at all. For those fans who are versed in this soap opera, I doubt changing the tone of the words would make much of a difference. Clearly by now, we all know who stands where. And not too many of us are going to be changing our opinions about it anytime soon.

And how Dennis left Styx, really shouldn't have anything to do with the songs that are associated with the long history of the band, but instead be celebrated for his role in the band when he was there.

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I think that would be a fair statement were it not for various comments made by the band members themselves throughout that long history. It is a nice idea though.

Peace

[classicstyxfan]

and somewhere down ( the internet ) road ....


It's all that Damn Yoko's fault ! Clearly, if she hadn't come along and ruined everything, the boys would still be together !!!!!!...........

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Of course I have to get my big mouth in this discussion, why not - LOL

I love soap operas, I love knowing everything, but sometimes I wish I could just go back in time in the illusion that this was the greatest band ever and they all got along just fine, just like I was younger. These guys could do nothing wrong. All the Teen Beat & Tiger Beat articles painted this picture TO ME, that they were the most popular band and the best of friends.

I remember when we first had MTV and to see my favorite band in a video, how cool was that? I remember seeing "Too Much Time on My Hands" - LOL How fun. It brings back those memories when I watch the video, like how I felt way back when, aaaaah the memories.

But anyway, back to 2005.


Classic says:

It's all that Damn Yoko's fault ! Clearly, if she hadn't come along and ruined everything, the boys would still be together !!!!!!...........

Like I said in the past pages of posts, it was Sparky's fault - LOL

The friction started when STYX became a business, not just a band of friends playing gigs. Once the contracts changed, I think it was in 1979, that's when it started, that's just my personal opinion.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

LordofDaRing says:

We will all have to wait and see what Dennis's new CD sounds like.

Obviously I'm very excited!! I love one song on it already!! If I was a betting person, I think this cd will see the light of day in 2006 Spring or so.

I too bought a copy of Cyclorama and unlike a lot of you, was not impressed. I gave it a shot.

I was sent the Cyclo cd. I only liked one song, I still don't know the name -LOL It's the one that's sounds like that Badlands song Winter's Call. Tommy does the vocals. I'm surprised that song didn't chart or had any promotion on it.

Glen Burtnik's solo CD was much better.

I enjoy the "Welcome To Hollywood" cd when I want to bang my head or crank up the music. That's Glen

As far as who is a novelty act, well lets put it this way, would anybody attend a STYX show if they just did new material or a Dennis show for that matter

Dennis YES of course, but that's me. I'd go to any type of his shows. I even enjoyed his broadway show in Chicago in 2003, when he was a guest. If I was a hard core Styx Syx fan, you bet, but I'm not. I'd support them too no matter what they played.

Naturally Dennis is going to do Styx songs, the ones he wrote and sang on, they are his songs. Styx is still doing his songs too.

The songs that Dennis wrote and sang are the ones that most people recognize, so Styx Syx has to keep them in the set list.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker says:

LordofDaRing wrote:
As far as who is a novelty act, well lets put it this way, would anybody attend a STYX show if they just did new material or a Dennis show for that matter

THAT is my point. It is VERY hypocritical to argue that Styx is doing such and such when Dennis is doing EXACTLY the same thing. HE is stuck in the past as much, or even MORE, then Styx. His solo stuff is NOT flying up the charts.

They are both stuck in the past, that's the main reason casual people and fans are going to these concerts to hear great music of our youth, same with all these other acts that are making the same rounds. They both have been playing new music. Dennis has played "My God" and "Hello God" at his concerts too.

Has Styx' songs been flying up the charts too????

And, if Styx went on tour with nothing but new material - I would be there. They know how to entertain.

That's great and that's your opinion. Dennis sure knows how to entertain!! He recently sold out 7 concerts in Canada in a row, that must mean something.

Also, they are NOT "Dennis' songs". They are Styx songs. If the intention was for those songs to be 'his', then he should have saved them for a solo album.

I personally wished that he saved "his" hits for a solo album, knowing what all happened, but he wanted those songs to be Styx songs and made those songs with the 3 part harmony for the band Styx. Too bad most of you don't know how well they worked together on some of the albums in the studio, crap, to have that magic again. Bummer.

[ChicagoSTYX]

Good point Suite about how well the 3 of them worked together in the studio on some albums. Which bring me to my point. Those Styx songs that some of you call Dennis songs sound the way they do because of the band effort. I think if they had been Dennis solo songs you would have had an entirely different result on all of those songs. Styx has every right to play any Styx song they want to. Tommy, JY, and even Chuck made there contributions on everyone of those so called Dennis songs. I prefer to call them Styx songs!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

styxfanNH says:

I think the semantics games go along with "I wish they wouldn't play Dennis' songs" or "Dennis was THE (only) voice of Styx" or "They are using HIS songs in their promos. Words like those belittle the input of the other members.

Of course words/phrases like you mentioned above belittle the input of the other band members. I say them, only because that's how I feel, nothing wrong with that. People post how they feel all the time on here.

Sure Dennis wrote the some of the more recognizable songs - ballads - but the others have had input into those songs as well, not to mention their own songs.

Of course the others had input in these songs or a few of the songs that Dennis was the main writer for.

I think there would be less of an issue to the words if it wasn't for the tone they were used in.

When people are fired up, the tone changes from humor to defense. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't like the name calling or any personal attacks. This is a public forum and I know it's been about 7 years now since he was booted out of the band, but I personally still have feelings about the situation of what happened. I think I eased up overall over the past couple of years that I've been on here. I'm trying to be a little better.

And how Dennis left Styx, really shouldn't have anything to do with the songs that are associated with the long history of the band, but instead be celebrated for his role in the band when he was there.

No offense, but how did "Dennis leave Styx"? He didn't leave, but I know that you know that.

I always celebrate the music of Styx when Dennis was still in the band. I'm always posting about the old songs and posting articles of the past. I love to celebrate the music of Classic Styx

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Sadie says:

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I think there would be less of an issue to the words if it wasn't for the tone they were used in.

And for most people in the world, it isn't an issue at all. For those fans who are versed in this soap opera, I doubt changing the tone of the words would make much of a difference. Clearly by now, we all know who stands where. And not too many of us are going to be changing our opinions about it anytime soon.

I agree with Sadie. I am one of those people "who are versed in this soap opera". That's not going to change, again, I love soap opera's and believe me, I really love living them too

Yes, clearly now we know who stands where, it's pretty obvious on here

[SuiteMadameBlue]

ChicagoStyx says:

Good point Suite about how well the 3 of them worked together in the studio on some albums. Which bring me to my point. Those Styx songs that some of you call Dennis songs sound the way they do because of the band effort. I think if they had been Dennis solo songs you would have had an entirely different result on all of those songs. Styx has every right to play any Styx song they want to. Tommy, JY, and even Chuck made there contributions on everyone of those so called Dennis songs. I prefer to call them Styx songs!

I totally agree with you that if Dennis made any of the Classic Styx on his own would have very different results.

Well, I have to differ with you, I don't think "they" can play any of the songs that Dennis wrote without Dennis' permission. That's what I think, especially with certain songs.

[styxfanNH]

That's great and that's your opinion. Dennis sure knows how to entertain!! He recently sold out 7 concerts in Canada in a row, that must mean something.

Isn't it interesting that Dennis had to leave the country to sell out shows in a place he hasn't been to in years.

No offense, but how did "Dennis leave Styx"? He didn't leave, but I know that you know that.

Is he still with the band? IF it makes you feel better ok here it is...Dennis was kicked out.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

styxfanNH says:

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That's great and that's your opinion. Dennis sure knows how to entertain!! He recently sold out 7 concerts in Canada in a row, that must mean something.

Isn't it interesting that Dennis had to leave the country to sell out shows in a place he hasn't been to in years.

LOL, I knew someone would comeback with that!! I know, I know, but still pretty darn good. He also sold out shows in the US too, ya know. At least he can sell a lot of tickets in the Chicago area, ya know.

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No offense, but how did "Dennis leave Styx"? He didn't leave, but I know that you know that.

Is he still with the band? IF it makes you feel better ok here it is...Dennis was kicked out.

Thank you, that does make me feel better. Thanks for thinking of me

[Monker]

So in the interest of Political Correctness, the songs in question should henceforth be referred to as which of the following ?

They should be refered to as Styx songs because THAT is what they are.

It's just semantics folks.

It's common sense.