Perry Interview

[Rockindeano]

So 28 agrees..I think you are both wrong. hell, Cubby hates Seperate ways for shits sake? Whats your point TNC..You get 28 to agree and that cements it as proof I'm wrong?

Fuckoff..til tomorrow...

[The_Noble_Cause]

So 28 agrees..I think you are both wrong. hell, Cubby hates Seperate ways for shits sake? Whats your point TNC..You get 28 to agree and that cements it as proof I'm wrong?

Fuckoff..til tomorrow...

Different strokes, man.
I still contend that Steve's done this same type of song before (Restless One, Somewhere She Waits, Jamie) and has done it waaaaaay better.

[Rockindeano]

So 28 agrees..I think you are both wrong. hell, Cubby hates Seperate ways for shits sake? Whats your point TNC..You get 28 to agree and that cements it as proof I'm wrong?

Fuckoff..til tomorrow...

Different strokes, man.
I still contend that Steve's done this same type of song before (Restless One, Somewhere She Waits, Jamie) and has done it waaaaaay better.

Ok, will you at least agree it's better than Folish Heart?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ok, will you at least agree it's better than Folish Heart?

Honestly, dude?
No.
While I think Butterfly tackles more somber subject material than the 100% pop-fluff Foolish Heart, I think Foolish Heart is the better constructed song. Butterfly simply doesn't know when to end.
It just plods on and on...
"Within a cage
Tried to escape the silent rage
Where no one ever listened
Behind her back
She's both wings tied......etc"

[NoMoreTails]

I lke Butterfly lyrically, I do see the point about it being a bit tedious, it could have possibly benefited from some more work, but I think the lyrics that are there are very cool. Use of the butterfly symbolism for someone perhaps handicapped or abused desperately wanting to break out of their cocoon.
On the other hand, I am about to loose my breakfast just at the thought of Foolish Heart.

[NealIsGod]

I lke Butterfly lyrically, I do see the point about it being a bit tedious, it could have possibly benefited from some more work, but I think the lyrics that are there are very cool. Use of the butterfly symbolism for someone perhaps handicapped or abused desperately wanting to break out of their cocoon.
On the other hand, I am about to loose my breakfast just at the thought of Foolish Heart.

Yes, I was out of Splenda this morning so I sprinkled some Foolish Heart in my coffee.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Say what you want.
"Foolish Heart" is the better constructed song.
Nice build up, strong chorus.
"Butterfly" is nice, but ultimately, protracted and unsatisfying.
As the Rock Wombat said there's "nothing to really sink your teeth into."

[NealIsGod]

Emotion is more important to me than song structure.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Emotion is more important to me than song structure.

Than I guess you simply must love Gh + 5.
Song are shit to be sure, but man, does Perry sing with tons of emotion.

[NoMoreTails]

Say what you want.
"Foolish Heart" is the better constructed song.
Nice build up, strong chorus.
"Butterfly" is nice, but ultimately, protracted and unsatisfying.
As the Rock Wombat said there's "nothing to really sink your teeth into."

Of course its a well constructed song, Perry was able to enlist the services of one of the best songwriters of the time. But being well constructed doesn't make it a satisfying song.
Like NIG implied, too sugary. I think "nothing to sink your teeth into" actually describes FH perfectly, complete fluff.
I do like Butterfly but agree it could have been better. I think Jonathan should have done some co-writing on it and Believe.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I do like Butterfly but agree it could have been better. I think Jonathan should have done some co-writing on it and Believe.

Totally agree. Butterfly is very close to being a good song, but falls short. With the enlistment of Jonathan, it could've been stellar. Believe woudl've turned out nice, as well.

I remember a post on BT years ago about Jon helping Augeri write a ballad about his wife. What the hell happened to that, and why don't those guys collaborate more.

[NealIsGod]

Emotion is more important to me than song structure.

Than I guess you simply must love Gh + 5.
Song are shit to be sure, but man, does Perry sing with tons of emotion.

No, I am just saying, I don't analyze song structure. Either a song grabs me or it doesn't. A shitty song with emotion is still a shitty song. And a song with solid structure can still be horsecrap. I am sure we can all think of plenty of examples of each.

[r@y]

Emotion is more important to me than song structure.

Than I guess you simply must love Gh + 5.
Song are shit to be sure, but man, does Perry sing with tons of emotion.

Oh, yeah...tell me about it....

Either he was having a SEVERE constipation problem or he sounded in tears singing WW...!

Cheers.

Ray

[Vladan]

Wow. Only in America hey, well! atleast it keeps you lads busy. Having a good wholesome debate.

[NealIsGod]

Wow. Only in America hey, well! atleast it keeps you lads busy. Having a good wholesome debate.

[Free]

Ok, will you at least agree it's better than Folish Heart?

Honestly, dude?
No.
While I think Butterfly tackles more somber subject material than the 100% pop-fluff Foolish Heart, I think Foolish Heart is the better constructed song. Butterfly simply doesn't know when to end.
It just plods on and on...
"Within a cage
Tried to escape the silent rage
Where no one ever listened
Behind her back
She's both wings tied......etc"

Yep.

[jrnyman28]

Tall Stories is decent, but not great.

Go listen to it again.
Tall Stories is brilliant. I only WISH current Journey could release an album this good.

100% agree. I was stunned at how good I thought Tall Stories was!!

IMO, Augeri got better being around Neal and Jon

In what way?
As a vocalist he has improved by leaps and bounds.
However, as a lyricist, the Augeri-penned "Believe" and "Butterfly" are a step backwards. Frankly, they sound very amateur.
Neither are worthy of the Journey name.

But remember TNC, both those songs were pretty much left alone. There was no "Jon and Neal" around to make them better. But I guess that DOES make the point that Steve has not improved by being around them. Of course it would help more if the guys would actually work on new material and work on it together!

Gotta agree with Yogi here. As with most of the Schon/Blades collaborations, this song is a modern day Journey classic.

I agree with you both as well. "Remember Me" IS a great song!!

[jrnyman28]

Seriously, I really like it..At first, I thought it was too slow, bt the guitar and words are brilliant.

I think it's a failed effort. It's almost good. It's got a similar female-reflective vibe to it like other Augeri compositions such as "Jamie", "Somewhere She Waits For Love", or "Restless One".
Ultimately, Butterfly is almost decent , but like Believe, it succumbs to tedious, drawn-out repetition in the end.
One refrain of "in a cage, tried to escape..." too many imo.

you're the most negative SOB I have ever talked to. Dont get me wrong, i think you are funny as shit, and Ilike you, but come on, you criticize every song ever written.

Dave agrees with every word stated above concerning Butterfly.
Wanna bash him for his opinion, too?

I DO agree that the song suffers from the repetitve lyrics. It seems to me that Steve has great ideas but needs help to flesh them out more!

[jrnyman28]

So 28 agrees..I think you are both wrong. hell, Cubby hates Seperate ways for shits sake? Whats your point TNC..You get 28 to agree and that cements it as proof I'm wrong?

Fuckoff..til tomorrow...

Different strokes, man.
I still contend that Steve's done this same type of song before (Restless One, Somewhere She Waits, Jamie) and has done it waaaaaay better.

Ok, will you at least agree it's better than Folish Heart?

I HATE Foolish Heart. One of the WORST songs Perry ever did!!

[jrnyman28]

Say what you want.
"Foolish Heart" is the better constructed song.
Nice build up, strong chorus.
"Butterfly" is nice, but ultimately, protracted and unsatisfying.
As the Rock Wombat said there's "nothing to really sink your teeth into."

Who cares how a song is stuctured if you can't stand to listen to it?

[yogi]

I thought 'Shes Mine', 'Strung Out', 'Tuesday Heartache' &' For The Love Of Strange Medicine' were all BRILLIANT songs.

'Anyway' was also VERY powerful

[The_Noble_Cause]

I thought 'Shes Mine', 'Strung Out', 'Tuesday Heartache' &' For The Love Of Strange Medicine' were all BRILLIANT songs.

'Anyway' was also VERY powerful

I don't think anything on any Perry solo album is brilliant.
In regards to FTLOSM, there are some good songs here and there.
With a little tinkering "You Better Wait" and "Young Heart Forever" could've been Journey tracks.
Overall though, FTLOSM is a very depressing and dreary affair.
I think Perry needs anti-deppresants.

[yogi]

For The Love Of Strang Medicine might of been about anti depressants. Also, I have a boot of Journey on The Raised On Radio Tour, Strung Out sounds GREAT on it.

I know where posting about the ROR tour is going to take this thread. But I saw the tour and have a bootleg and I like em both!!!

[junky]

For The Love Of Strang Medicine might of been about anti depressants. Also, I have a boot of Journey on The Raised On Radio Tour, Strung Out sounds GREAT on it.

I know where posting about the ROR tour is going to take this thread. But I saw the tour and have a bootleg and I like em both!!!

I agree with you that Strung Out sounds great on the ROR tour, but mostly due to the superb guitar playing by Neal.

[A Fire Inside]

Butterfly simply doesn't know when to end.
It just plods on and on...
"Within a cage
Tried to escape the silent rage
Where no one ever listened
Behind her back
She's both wings tied......etc"

Most of the songs on Generations plod on a couple of minutes too long...

[Red13JoePa]

And how's that? The longer ones don't go anywhere for you?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Most of the songs on Generations plod on a couple of minutes too long...

I don't hear that.
The only ones that seem egregiously protracted and/or meandering are "Believe" and "Butterfly". "Beyond The Clouds" is long, but certainly not in an irritating way-the extended interplay between Steve and Neal is a nice melodic touch.
In fact, I think "Every Generation" cuts out too short.
Wanna hear Neal's guitar wail a little longer.

[Jeremey]

I don't think anything on any Perry solo album is brilliant.
In regards to FTLOSM, there are some good songs here and there.
With a little tinkering "You Better Wait" and "Young Heart Forever" could've been Journey tracks.
Overall though, FTLOSM is a very depressing and dreary affair.
I think Perry needs anti-deppresants.

I think there's a difference between dark and depressing. I find it to be a very dark CD, and there's several times I just hit the NEXT button. But overall it's clearly not a Journey CD, and works for me in the context of what it is. Listened to it driving to Greensboro yesterday in an ice storm. Couple of observations:

• Lincoln Brewster was one amazing dude at 19 or whatever he was (oops, don't hate me for using that phrase!) ;p)
• While YBW is most beloved on the CD, I don't like it much at all
• Tuesday Heartache is by far the toughest song to sing on the CD
• The note everyone brags about at the end of "Anyway" is a very easy falsetto note, and not at all the technique used by Perry through the Escape period
• I wonder if Perry still feels the same as he talks about in Anyway. I bet he does, and I bet it keeps him awake at night
• I liked the "Writing Version" of Missing You from the single+5 better than the final track
• Steve's heavy breathing is his attempt at intimacy with the listener, and I think it succeeds
• Stand Up Before It's Too Late is for me the most Journey-ish track, and could have fit right in on Frontiers or Trial By Fire for that matter
• Somewhere There's Hope is an amazing song, and is as much a showcase for Lincoln Brewster as Steve Perry

[The_Noble_Cause]

• Stand Up Before It's Too Late is for me the most Journey-ish track, and could have fit right in on Frontiers or Trial By Fire for that matter

I agree with most of what you said, but not this:
That song sounds absolutely NOTHING like Journey, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who feels differently.
The song is almost puritianical in it's message, Journey doesn't preach.
Preaching's for queers.

[Marabelle]

I always wondered why that CD left me feeling like I felt something others had missed. It seemed more of a confessional CD and he was tellng who would listen what he was going through.