Who's Worse Jimmy Carter or George W Bush?

[froy]

Probably the 2 worst Presidents we have ever had
Just can't decide which one takes the prize.

[Zan]

froy, you should like this:

http://decider.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[DarrenUK]

I was not interested in Politics when peanut head was in power but i must admit George Bush is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country of yours........ CORRUPT CORRUPT CORRUPT

[froy]

froy, you should like this:

http://decider.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Awesome Zan
Better that Gowans version
Nice job

[Abitaman]

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Subject: When did WW III begin?...1979




IF YOU READ THIS TO THE END; YOU MAY REALIZE THAT HISTORY MAY
REGUARD BUSH AS ONE OF OUR BEST PRESIDENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When did WW III begin? ... 1979.
In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979
... that alarm has been ringing for years, but for 22 years
we have kept hitting the Snooze Button.
US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air
Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave
last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much
trouble today and why military and civil action is so necessary.
AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When
more than 3,000 Americans were killed) and maybe it was, but I think it
should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has
been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button
and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a
religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students
attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure
was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held
the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency.
The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events
to follow for the next 25 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience
and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President
Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid
in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a
symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since
the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and
poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission
that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped
and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to
protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against
US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven
into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63
people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button
once more.

Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden
down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate
of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen
are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once
more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with
explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America
continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven
into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb
explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is
driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main,
22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as
US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is
hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled
out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners
when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4,
and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie,
Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still
trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January
1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA
headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are
arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into
the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in
New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured.
Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is
depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military
complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and
women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes
only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi
Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks,
killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver
and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on
two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were
planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with
cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for
refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along
side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking
a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate
the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most
Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in
America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant
attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll
over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every
high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't
know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I
think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in
the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the
pattern that has been developing since 1979.

I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will
continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America
needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been
changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make
the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford
to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over
and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it
seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the
message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year,
this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and
the Freedom of our children in years to come.

If you believe in this please forward it to as many people as you
can, especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in
history class and who seem so quick to protest necessary military
action.

If you don't believe it, just delete it and go back to sleep.

[Rockindeano]

So let me get this straight.

Since 1979, Democrats have been in office 9 of those years, and the Republicans 18 years.

It was the fault of Carter for his one year, and Clinton in his eight.

However, the get tough republicans were in office 18 years, and we lost a total of 3,549 people(assuming 3,000 for 9/11), under their administrations, and 243 under Clinton(Carter had 0). The republicans had by the authors count, 7 attacks, and the Dems 2.

I can totally see how the weak Dems are responsible. hell, I would vote for W again if he could run.

Damn, ERIC, you opened my eyes! Thank You!


PS- You're not kidding America better open her eyes. Vote every single slimy assed republican to the curb, and take out the trash.

[DarwinNebraska]

Ha. The clueless.

[DerriD]

Deano,

No offense, but do you think those numbers would be so skewed if Clinton had bagged Osama when he had the chance (remember that first attack that got zero response from the white house). Don't get me wrong, I back the guy that's our commander in chief, regardless of the jersey over ANY other leader.

Oh, and don't forget to add 3 republican presidents ALL fought back at the real enemy, while 2 democrats caved.

But you are right, we are in trouble...big time. I just hope the next president can rally the people again.

[froy]

So let me get this straight.

Since 1979, Democrats have been in office 9 of those years, and the Republicans 18 years.

It was the fault of Carter for his one year, and Clinton in his eight.

However, the get tough republicans were in office 18 years, and we lost a total of 3,549 people(assuming 3,000 for 9/11), under their administrations, and 243 under Clinton(Carter had 0). The republicans had by the authors count, 7 attacks, and the Dems 2.

I can totally see how the weak Dems are responsible. hell, I would vote for W again if he could run.

This is more than just a terror subject
The is a president who is absolulty cluless
Something has to happen before this guy makes a move
Gas prices are through the roof and this guy does not even do anything about it.
We go to war for Iraq and we do not get a drop of oil from them
Good move Bush.
People are afraid to spend there money when a country is at war.
Get the damm troops out of Iraq and fast before a NUKE wipes them all out.

[Monker]

Probably the 2 worst Presidents we have ever had
Just can't decide which one takes the prize.

Which is worse:

Somebody promoting Neal Diamond on a Styx forum...

or, somebody wanting to debate politics on the Styx forum.

Oh, well, I guess it doesn't matter. Styx sux anyway.

[DerriD]

This is more than just a terror subject
The is a president who is absolulty cluless

Uh. that's absolutEly cluEless, oh brilliant one.

Something has to happen before this guy makes a move
Gas prices are through the roof and this guy does not even do anything about it.

I agree. First let's remove all taxes on gasoline and dump the need for boutique blends during the summer months. Then lets ask developing nations such as India and China to stop industrializing. Then we should ask all oil exporting countries to quit making profit on their product. There that was simple.

People are afraid to spend there money when a country is at war.
Get the damm troops out of Iraq and fast before a NUKE wipes them all out.

Right again. Nobody is spending money at all. I guess the fact that the Dow hit a six year high today is merely an illusion. After all investors have no grip on the economy whatsoever. But I am confused about who exactly is going to nuke our troops. Is it going to be Iraq nuking themselves? Oops no WMD's, can't be them. Is another Arab nation going to do it? Iran has 'peaceful intentions' with their enrichment program. Who then? Just curious.

[Monker]

Uh. that's absolutEly cluEless, oh brilliant one.

Wow, don't compliment froy...his head may explode.

I agree. First let's remove all taxes on gasoline and dump the need for boutique blends during the summer months. Then lets ask developing nations such as India and China to stop industrializing. Then we should ask all oil exporting countries to quit making profit on their product. There that was simple.

No, but he could promote bio-fuels MUCH more then he is. He could standardize E85 nationaly as an alternative to regular unleaded. He could promote bio-deisel as an alternative fuel. He could do a LOT of other things instead of putting all of his emphasis on hydrogen fuel cells, which is a LONG way from being developed as a viable alternative to gasoline.

And, drilling in Alaska or anywhere else on this continent isn't going to do dick. Why? Two reasons: ALL of the oil this side of the world combined would not fuel this country for much more then ten years. Also, we do not have the refineries to produce gasoline at a much higher capacity anyway.

Right again. Nobody is spending money at all.

I'm not cuz of this President's do-nothing attitude towards off-shoring jobs. In fact, those close to him even said it was a GOOD THING during t he last election. Idiot.

I guess the fact that the Dow hit a six year high today is merely an illusion.

The Dow benifits the upper class more then anybody else. Whoever inherits the President's job is going to have the worst economic situation since the Great Depression. Too many jobs, entire industries, are moving over seas. The stock market isn't going to mean shit to the those who are not running corporations.

After all investors have no grip on the economy whatsoever.

Correct...most of them don't.

But I am confused about who exactly is going to nuke our troops.

Probably JY, cuz he sucks so much.

[Monker]

Oh, and don't forget to add 3 republican presidents ALL fought back at the real enemy, while 2 democrats caved.

And, don't forget that Reagan and the first Bush actualy funded and trained Osama, and armed Sadam. Idiots.

[DerriD]

Monker,

Good points. You could trace the steps of nearly every politician and see where they have flip flopped their position. I guess hindsight being what it is and all. But the worst economy since the great depression? Hardly. The economy is booming. Look around at all key indicators, they are going up.

[Zan]

Which is worse:

Somebody promoting Neal Diamond on a Styx forum...

or, somebody wanting to debate politics on the Styx forum.

Oh....Hahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!!

Damn, that was FUNNY!!!!

Angie! Eric! Suite! How FUNNY is this???? LOL

[DarrenUK]

This is more than just a terror subject
The is a president who is absolulty cluless

Uh. that's absolutEly cluEless, oh brilliant one.

Something has to happen before this guy makes a move
Gas prices are through the roof and this guy does not even do anything about it.

I agree. First let's remove all taxes on gasoline and dump the need for boutique blends during the summer months. Then lets ask developing nations such as India and China to stop industrializing. Then we should ask all oil exporting countries to quit making profit on their product. There that was simple.

People are afraid to spend there money when a country is at war.
Get the damm troops out of Iraq and fast before a NUKE wipes them all out.

Right again. Nobody is spending money at all. I guess the fact that the Dow hit a six year high today is merely an illusion. After all investors have no grip on the economy whatsoever. But I am confused about who exactly is going to nuke our troops. Is it going to be Iraq nuking themselves? Oops no WMD's, can't be them. Is another Arab nation going to do it? Iran has 'peaceful intentions' with their enrichment program. Who then? Just curious.

No WMD's ? and it was Bush who told us the country was riddled with them hence the need for innocent troops to die in an unjust cause......wow some people cant be trusted to tell the truth....not even the President of the land of the free.............he needs impeaching the guy is a walking lying idiot...

[Rockindeano]

Too funny.

Clinton wanted Osama Bin Laden..the GOP Congress refused to go along with it. I worked for the man. His disdain for Thurmond and Gingrich is off the charts.

Look, think all you want about bashing the Dems. Hell, I am honest; they aren't the answer, but they are better than the corrupt and incompetent. Usually in politics, you can be one or the other..but never both together.

I am one who is convinced 9/11 was not done by terrorists..scrath that..yes, terrorists, but not Afghans, or Muslims..I am convinced beyond a shadow of doubt, people with power in America did this.

So, if you aren't laughing me out of the forum yet, Iraq is irrelevent to any act of terrorism, unless you follow Dick Cheney, who'll have you believe that Iraq is the state that is responsible for 9/11

We should NOT pull out asap from Iraq. The people there did NOT ask for this bullshit invasion. We need to make it right or we are looking WW3 in the face. Ever heard of Iran and N Korea? Yep, the real problems have arrived, and we have shown the world are deftness at "trying to defeat" Iraq, which is less than half the problem Iran is going to be. A Democrat will be the next president, and he or She will inherit the worst government in history. Good luck Hillary.

Is Bush really Damien?

[AnnieOprah]

Probably the 2 worst Presidents we have ever had
Just can't decide which one takes the prize.

Hmm, well on one hand you have one that enabled the US to become the laughing stock of the world and you have another that caused the US to be hated by the rest of the world.

But at least the first one didn't allow thousands of deaths in a war that was brought forth under either false information or false pretenses. So, I have to give the not to your current Prez as being the worst of the two.

[styxfanNH]

Froy and Monker are worse than both

[Zan]

One way to find the answer is to figure out which one would be most likely to have a spinning keyboard.

[shaka]

Which is worse:

Somebody promoting Neal Diamond on a Styx forum...

or, somebody wanting to debate politics on the Styx forum.

Oh....Hahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!!

Damn, that was FUNNY!!!!

Angie! Eric! Suite! How FUNNY is this???? LOL

It's hilarious. I love watching the clueless argue politics. Pick a scapegoat for all the worlds ills and string 'em up!

Eric

[DarwinNebraska]

I am one who is convinced 9/11 was not done by terrorists..scrath that..yes, terrorists, but not Afghans, or Muslims..I am convinced beyond a shadow of doubt, people with power in America did this.

I'm convinced you're convinced of this.

[LordofDaRing]

RD which forum are we in?

Hey gang compare apples and apples, which other president was attacked on our own shores to the magnitude of 911 (or anything else) and also during the same administration suffered the worst natural disaster to ever hit our country. Times up. Now I know most of you hate this guy, after all according to some of the intelligent people on the politics forum he planned the whole 911 attack on our own people, blew up the buildings (never mind the videos of the planes, the cell phone calls to people on the ground, the 911 commission report, the so called terrorists who took over the plane, the admission by Al Quida, Bin Laden, the 19th Hijacker who is on trial now for his sorry life, etc, etc). But what about the evidence Lord: We hear mulitple explosions in the towers (probably casued by concrete exploding when being scorced by 3,000 degree heat from Jet fuel from the planes that crashed into it), One of the towers had a fire drill that morning (ummm got me on that one, I have never participated in a fire drill in my entire life in any building in the United States). And his motive for killing 3,000 Americans and attacking Iraq without any shred of evidence, well he and Dick Cheney just wanted to pocket a little oil money prior to retiring. Get Oliver Stone and Michael Moore we have ourselves a script. Just don't get Ted Kennedy to drive it over.

And we all know Natural Disasters are the Presdient's fault. Well at Least GB's fault. And FEMA, that has been around since oh Jimmy Carter, right isn't he the one who established that? It took something of this magnitude to realize that it or nothing else in place was ready to handle a Cat 5. How bout all those deaths in New Orleans, all on GB's hands right? Well if you read the individual Obit's like I have in the Times Picayune each day, you will come to the conclusion that even the President cannot order an American Citizen out of his or her own home, even when they have adequate transportation to get them out of town. FEMA sure was responsive during Hurrican Andrew and all those deaths in Chicago during the Heat Wave. Oh wait that was the Clinton Admin, nothing bad happened there did it?

Just remember its a Grand Illusion....

[Rockindeano]

Haha, you are right, this is Styx, but I didn't start it, and am not about to let some slimy republican run roughshod and get away with it.

Look, I am a Denocrat, and lord knows I have had embarrassing moments being one. However, how a person can smile and proudly defend this awful, corrupt administration is beyond me.

I will keep this short, but Lord, please don't laugh at those of us who believe in the 9/11 cover-up. That is exactly what the people in power want you to do..discount the concerns of regular folk, all the while coerce the other regilar folk to blindly follw them.

Your party is over. The game is over. Thank God for term limits. It's going to take awhile for America to wash its' hands of all the slime when these snakes leave office.

[NealIsGod]

I am not a Bush fan, but the 9/11 stuff you are pushing on here is ridiculous, Dean. You probably believe Paul McCartney is dead, too...

[LordofDaRing]

RD, I don't laugh at anybody who feels there was/is a cover up, I seriously worry about you my friend. Hey I can get on board with people not thinking Iraq is the right thing. 2,000 plus dead, makes anybody second guess things. Even though a lot of the criticism is arm chair quarterbacking: Bill Clinton went on national TV and justified a bombing in Iraq because SH possessed "Weapons of Mass Destruction", Russian intel said he had them, British intel said he had them, he used them on his own people, he threw all the UN inspectors out, and has had tons of evidence presented against him in his trial. Where are they today, hell I don't know. Nobody found Jimmy Hoffa's body, that doesn't mean he wasn't murdered. Nobody found OJ's knife, doesn't mean Nicole and Ron were not murdered. Our country, following 911 decided to take an offensive posture which I totally agree with. Sitting back and doing absolutely nothing, ala Clinton, gets you what....3,000 plus dead people, Cole bombing, two seperate twin tower attacks, embassy bombings, etc.

Bad as I hated the Clinton Administration, I would never accuse him or Al Gore of orchestrating the thing you say Bush/Cheney did. On one hand, you guys accuse him of being this stumbling, bumbling idiot who can't even speak the King's language. On the other hand, he is the evil mastermind behind 911, and aside from wild rumors and conspiracy theories, he hasn't been accused of anything yet.

Bottom line, something besides poll watching should have occured in the administration prior to GB. No 911 equals no invasion of Iraq...IMO. Then of course the criticism would have been GB is not tough enough on Iraq.

My worry if the demos take back the White House, is another strip down of the military and anti terrorist operations and my taxes back up through the roof so more people in this country can get on Welfare, maybe a few hundred thousand illegal immigrants.

RD, you haven't lost me for a running partner yet buddy. A white house full of scantily clad women, lots of beer and classic rock music...the possibilities are endless.

[classicstyxfan]

Bush's cronies and friends like, say Haliburton.....and or/the Oil companies, who miraculously posted record profits last year are the beneficiaries of his policies....not you and me, unless we are fortunate enough to have our 401(k) investing in these companies.

But the Pres and VP dont take war lightly, after all , they were on the front lines fighting for their country at times of conflict.....( what, they WERENT????? )

Yep, poor richest 1 percent of americans need a tax break MUCH more then the next generations, who will end up paying interest on those monies throughout their lives. we have gone from a budget with a surplus when he arrived to some pretty huge defecits today....but hey, the rich are doing better then ever !

Go ahead, idolize the guy if you think hes delivering for the american people, hes creating millions of new jobs , that unfortunately pay less then the jobs he has done nothing to stop migrating elsewhere.........

As for Carter, perhaps he was the wrong leader at the wrong time.....certainly not the best at regulating the economy but I'll take him over Dubya for the simple fact that he cared about the other 99 percent of Americans well being.....at his core, Dubya doesnt give a rats ass about you and me......

[DarrenUK]

When i lived in the UK people lined the streets to greet Bill Clinton to shake his hand....they still line the streets when Bush is visiting but for some reason their hands are loaded with eggs and flour.

Bill Clinton was voted the most popular President ever by British followed by JFK......Bush was voted not only the worst President ever but the most unpopular human being alive.

I remember the headline in one newspaper after the last election it read

DOHHHHH DUBYA IS BACK

HOW CAN 59 MILLION AMERICANS BE SO DUMB ????

[styxfanNH]

It's the old philosophy do you kill em with kindness and pretend everything is fine or do you do things because its the responsible thing to do?

Millions die all over the world and much of the world says if it isn't hurting me personally, it doesn't exist. Just tell that to the Africans, Bosnians and Iraqis that are dead and buried. They weren't inportant because it was them over there and not our own.

Bill Clinton had a chance to end this war before it ever started and he pretended the situation never existed.

It's time to be responsible.

[DarrenUK]

Sent to war for the reason that the WMDs are about to be used....well Georgie boy.....where are they ?

Did Dick give you a nudge to invade so his bonus payment from Haliburton was quadrupled ?

CORRUPT ASSOLE.........