Which one is STYX?

[froy]

all phones ring both ways.

Right again
Im not saying who should call who
If Dennis wants STYX back he should first invite Chuck over for dinner.
Break the damm iceberg.

[bugsymalone]

Let it go? And miss doing the circle jerk for the 1,000th time?

Surely you must be joking....we may have moved away from vinyl, but the broken record plays merrily on...warped and scratchy and all.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Froy babbled:

He's going with me booked it already,

LOL!! That's funny!! Have fun you two!! LOL

Its been just to long for this small little problem this little band went through.
Poor Chuck his feelings were hurt
Gimmie a break he owes his career to Dennis.
Your right grow up before somebody dies then they would say
Gee I should have called.

OMG, don't you think calls were made??? No Chuck doesn't owe his whole career to Dennis. UGH!!!!! I would say that if it wasn't for Dennis on somethings, but not his whole career.

It's always going to be that way, should've, could've, would've called. Life is too short.

Are you insane let it go
Not even close to letting anything go.

Yes, I guess I've been told that I'm insane, well by YOU!! LOL Let it go.

What did he do run to the pay check?
Gee what a loyal friend Chuck is

Well some people need to make a living don't you think?? You can't mix business with friendships, YOU of all people should know that. That's what happened here with Styx.

Right again
Im not saying who should call who
If Dennis wants STYX back he should first invite Chuck over for dinner.
Break the damm iceberg.

Of course the phone rings both ways. Don't you get it yet?? Doesn't ANYONE get it??? Dennis doesn't have the "control" of getting Styx back together. He tried, didn't work. He is no longer part of the current Styx line-up.

Yeah, invite Chuck over for dinner. Did you ever think that he might have been invited to a family wedding or two???

[Monker]

No... I took my name from the lead character in Army of Darkness. Bruce Campbell iz god.

No, Sam Raimi is God. Bruce Campbell is the guy who does B movies like "Man with the screaming brain".

[Monker]

Dennis DeYoung Glen Burtnick Chuck Panazzo Kyle the drummer and Hank Horton

or

Larry Gowan Ricky Phillips Todd Sucherman JY and Tommy Shaw

Looks like we have a situation here

My vote is with the first listing.

Who cares. They are still going to perform Styx songs without original members. So, they will both be cover bands and they will both suck.

[ek88]

They are still going to perform Styx songs without original members.

Good point. That makes them equal in my book, personal preference aside.

[mrronboto]

Ugh. These type of discussions still go on here in the outside world. No wonder I keep busy with my own projects.

Anyway:
As mentioned in Behind the Music, and if I remember it was Jim Vose that said it: Styx is Dennis, Tommy, JY, Chuck & John. Period. Anything else is always compared to this for justification if it is or isn't "Styx".
If you like Dennis' contributions to what was Styx, then go and enjoy his shows. If you like Tommy and JY's contributions, then go see the current Styx. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
Everything else that concerns personal matters between the individuals that are involved directly in the situation, as well as their professional agreements and disagreements we have no control of whatsoever and simply none of our business. If you are not someone that is directly involved in the matter (ie band member) then you have no say in who tours with who.
They are all grown men that can make decisions for themselves. If person A does not with to work with person B then it ain't happening. It's been seven years. As fans just agree to disagree with one another, stop the petty bickering between one another and just ENJOY THE MUSIC (which is what it is supposed to be about to begin with)

Ron
(crawling back under rock from which I came from)

[ek88]

If you like Dennis' contributions to what was Styx, then go and enjoy his shows. If you like Tommy and JY's contributions, then go see the current Styx. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
Everything else that concerns personal matters between the individuals that are involved directly in the situation, as well as their professional agreements and disagreements we have no control of whatsoever and simply none of our business. If you are not someone that is directly involved in the matter (ie band member) then you have no say in who tours with who.
They are all grown men that can make decisions for themselves. If person A does not with to work with person B then it ain't happening. It's been seven years. As fans just agree to disagree with one another, stop the petty bickering between one another and just ENJOY THE MUSIC (which is what it is supposed to be about to begin with)

Amen.

[froy]

Ugh. These type of discussions still go on here in the outside world. No wonder I keep busy with my own projects.

Anyway:
As mentioned in Behind the Music, and if I remember it was Jim Vose that said it: Styx is Dennis, Tommy, JY, Chuck & John. Period. Anything else is always compared to this for justification if it is or isn't "Styx".
If you like Dennis' contributions to what was Styx, then go and enjoy his shows. If you like Tommy and JY's contributions, then go see the current Styx. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
Everything else that concerns personal matters between the individuals that are involved directly in the situation, as well as their professional agreements and disagreements we have no control of whatsoever and simply none of our business. If you are not someone that is directly involved in the matter (ie band member) then you have no say in who tours with who.
They are all grown men that can make decisions for themselves. If person A does not with to work with person B then it ain't happening. It's been seven years. As fans just agree to disagree with one another, stop the petty bickering between one another and just ENJOY THE MUSIC (which is what it is supposed to be about to begin with)

Ron
(crawling back under rock from which I came from)

You could not be more wrong about this
You have a followers mentality.
Fans have more say than you give them credit for.
Yes its been 7 years and so far Glen has returned to play with Dennis
Only the 3 big Baby's hold out and they are getting killed for it.
They have reduced Styx to a joke touring band who makes cover cds.
From 4 multi platinum cds with Dennis to 2 cds that went into the toilet.
The direction of STYX is the blind leading the blind.
They dont even look like a band in there photos,
The music sounds the same way,

[ek88]

If you like Dennis' contributions to what was Styx, then go and enjoy his shows. If you like Tommy and JY's contributions, then go see the current Styx. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

I guess it's not that simple for froy

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Ron, just ignore Froy!! LOL

[froy]

If you like Dennis' contributions to what was Styx, then go and enjoy his shows. If you like Tommy and JY's contributions, then go see the current Styx. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

I guess it's not that simple for froy

You think its that simple for Dennis ?

[mrronboto]

You could not be more wrong about this
You have a followers mentality.
Fans have more say than you give them credit for.
Yes its been 7 years and so far Glen has returned to play with Dennis
Only the 3 big Baby's hold out and they are getting killed for it.
They have reduced Styx to a joke touring band who makes cover cds.
From 4 multi platinum cds with Dennis to 2 cds that went into the toilet.
The direction of STYX is the blind leading the blind.
They dont even look like a band in there photos,
The music sounds the same way,

Fans have say in what an artist does to a certain extent I will agree. I know for a fact that Dennis has added certain songs to set lists simply because of fan requests. You could probably even go so far as to say the idea for the "Lost Treasures" shows came from a fan outcry.
But if you were to go up to "The three babys" and say directly to them to knock it off and get back together because that is what the fans want you will be told to stick it somewhere. Dennis will be polite and say (as he has many times in the past) that it is not his decision, and that if it was up to him they would all be together; I have no idea what the other 2 would say. It doesn't matter what you say...you are not one of those 3 individuals so you have NO idea the actual feelings they have for one another. It's like a divorce, and once things are settled and people have moved on with their life some stranger comes up and says "I want you to get back with your ex" it isn't happening.
Plus the way the record industry is I would doubt that even a Styx album WITH Dennis would achieve the same success as they have in the past. It would do better than the Carrot and Big Bang, but that would be because there would be twice a bigger fan base (fans of both current "divisions" instead of just one) that would buy the album.

Personally as a fan of Dennis and his music, he has indicated that what is done is done and has moved on. From recent interviews there are indications that he still hurts from the ordeal. Whether or not he could do more to change the situation is his decision, not mine. Those feeling run deeper than his professional career, and into his personal one--somewhere as a "fan" I do not belong. There is an invisible line that you cannot cross. I may be a huge fan and supporter of Dennis, but he don't know me from any other Joe Shmoe.

As far as how the current version of Styx looks and sounds I will say that personally I feel they do not look or sound as good as they could, and that they have in some ways damaged the "Styx" brand. However what's done is done, and they have the legal right to tour as Styx. They also have a fan base that still like to see them perform and like their music (how big I don't know, but I feel not big enough to support the massive touring schedule that the band likes to have). Personally I can't really comment on the band or their fans as I do not follow them. I treat them as a different band altogether, and one that I really don't care for.

I support Dennis 100% in his current projects, whatever they might be, and accept (as a fan) that the result will be something that I will enjoy listening to, and seeing on stage. My life is way too busy to be involved in matters of others that are simply none of my business, and that I have no control over anyway.

I wouldn't say I have a followers mentality. Just a realistic mentality.
Ron

[mrronboto]

If you like Dennis' contributions to what was Styx, then go and enjoy his shows. If you like Tommy and JY's contributions, then go see the current Styx. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

I guess it's not that simple for froy

You think its that simple for Dennis ?

Please consider that my quote is actually a modification of a quote that Dennis has used many times, stating that his shows have "a lot of me" in them. So if you like Dennis, you will like the show, but if you don't like him, then maybe you probably shouldn't go see his show.

That was the intent of my comment. Your comment puts a different meaning completely on my quote. Please do not twist my words around to fit your agenda, whatever it may be.
Ron

[Zan]

You think its that simple for Dennis ?

Are you the voice of Dennis? If so, I think the other guys are perfectly justified in kicking his ass out. lol

[froy]

Fans have say in what an artist does to a certain extent I will agree. I know for a fact that Dennis has added certain songs to set lists simply because of fan requests. You could probably even go so far as to say the idea for the "Lost Treasures" shows came from a fan outcry.

Case and point good call

But if you were to go up to "The three babys" and say directly to them to knock it off and get back together because that is what the fans want you will be told to stick it somewhere.

Of course you would thats why there the 3 babys they do not listen
BUT if enough people keep telling them over and over again with the point of telling them they willl never buy another thing from them they may listen. You hit them in there pocket books.
Just look at the 2 cds they put out 75 percent of the former STYX fans never bought the 2 crap cds and I do not see them running to make another one.

Dennis will be polite and say (as he has many times in the past) that it is not his decision, and that if it was up to him they would all be together; I have no idea what the other 2 would say.

You just said they were going to tell us to stick it.
Its all a matter of how you approach the subject
If I ever see Keith Marks again you can bet I will have a word.

It doesn't matter what you say...you are not one of those 3 individuals so you have NO idea the actual feelings they have for one another.

Feelings smeelings Dennis is the guy who should be telling them to fuk themselves but he is MAN enough to drop it.
JY and Shaw show there true colors every day they ignore Dennis.
There would be more fans happy with Dennis back that is for sure.

It's like a divorce, and once things are settled and people have moved on with their life some stranger comes up and says "I want you to get back with your ex" it isn't happening.

Thats a bunch of crap.
They did not treat Dennis like an ex anything he was just plotted out.

Plus the way the record industry is I would doubt that even a Styx album WITH Dennis would achieve the same success as they have in the past.

Your probably right

It would do better than the Carrot and Big Bang, but that would be because there would be twice a bigger fan base (fans of both current "divisions" instead of just one) that would buy the album.

It would do much better than Carrot and Bang anything would.

As far as how the current version of Styx looks and sounds I will say that personally I feel they do not look or sound as good as they could, and that they have in some ways damaged the "Styx" brand.

Huge damage
I can't even listen to any Shaw or JY anymore.

[froy]

You think its that simple for Dennis ?

Are you the voice of Dennis? If so, I think the other guys are perfectly justified in kicking his ass out. lol

Thats my friend Zan talking there
Boy do you have a big head.

[mrronboto]

Of course you would thats why there the 3 babys they do not listen
BUT if enough people keep telling them over and over again with the point of telling them they willl never buy another thing from them they may listen. You hit them in there pocket books.

TELLING them is one thing, actually doing it is another. So go ahead then and DON'T buy anything from either camps--no CD's, concert tickets, etc. and let it be known why. With no sales and no touring audience, they would disapear. Then, they may get back together, but I would still sincerely doubt it. Even if the others reached out to Dennis with the idea, I'm sure the pain they caused him carries a lot of resentment with it that would not be easy to forgive.

Dennis will be polite and say (as he has many times in the past) that it is not his decision, and that if it was up to him they would all be together; I have no idea what the other 2 would say.

You just said they were going to tell us to stick it.
Its all a matter of how you approach the subject
If I ever see Keith Marks again you can bet I will have a word.

I would take Dennis' comment as a very polite way of saying to "stick it" and that it is none of my business.

It's like a divorce, and once things are settled and people have moved on with their life some stranger comes up and says "I want you to get back with your ex" it isn't happening.

Thats a bunch of crap.
They did not treat Dennis like an ex anything he was just plotted out.

And you never heard of a spouse throwing their partner's stuff out on the front lawn and changing the locks? The breakup of any relationship takes on many forms and actions, and for different reasons.

[DarrenUK]

TALKING OF CRAP ALBUMS DID YOU ENJOY THE LAST STYX CD THEY ALL WORKED ON TOGETHER....... A LITTLE GEM CALLED BRAVE NEW WORLD ?

[Zan]

If I ever see Keith Marks again you can bet I will have a word.

ooooooh. I'm sure he's shakin' in his mountain boots. But if and when you do, please let me be a fly on that wall! LOL

[froy]

TALKING OF CRAP ALBUMS DID YOU ENJOY THE LAST STYX CD THEY ALL WORKED ON TOGETHER....... A LITTLE GEM CALLED BRAVE NEW WORLD ?

Boy are you wrong again
They did not work on it together.
And the producer sucked.
It was a phone in cd
Not a group effort,

[froy]

Even if the others reached out to Dennis with the idea, I'm sure the pain they caused him carries a lot of resentment with it that would not be easy to forgive.

PAIN?
4 platinum albums all concepts by Dennis
Money rolling in for many years
Can you explain this pain thing please?

[Zan]

Even if the others reached out to Dennis with the idea, I'm sure the pain they caused him carries a lot of resentment with it that would not be easy to forgive.

PAIN?
4 platinum albums all concepts by Dennis
Money rolling in for many years
Can you explain this pain thing please?

Sure, Froy. He said, "I'm sure the pain they caused him..."

That means, in this sentence, THEY caused HIM pain. (My guess is he meant the years in recent history - you know, the ones you've been moaning about all this time)

Let me know if I can clear anything else up for you in the English department.

[mrronboto]

TALKING OF CRAP ALBUMS DID YOU ENJOY THE LAST STYX CD THEY ALL WORKED ON TOGETHER....... A LITTLE GEM CALLED BRAVE NEW WORLD ?

I don't know if I would say they "worked" together on BNW....

[styxfanNH]

Even if the others reached out to Dennis with the idea, I'm sure the pain they caused him carries a lot of resentment with it that would not be easy to forgive.

PAIN?
4 platinum albums all concepts by Dennis
Money rolling in for many years
Can you explain this pain thing please?

There is more to life than financial pain.

[sadie65]

There is more to life than financial pain.

So true...like arguing (and I don't mean you NH) with brick walls. Very satisfying endeavor there.

Carry on

[froy]

Even if the others reached out to Dennis with the idea, I'm sure the pain they caused him carries a lot of resentment with it that would not be easy to forgive.

PAIN?
4 platinum albums all concepts by Dennis
Money rolling in for many years
Can you explain this pain thing please?

There is more to life than financial pain.

Not when the band does 600 shows a year
Thats the pain buddy.

[styxfanNH]

Even if the others reached out to Dennis with the idea, I'm sure the pain they caused him carries a lot of resentment with it that would not be easy to forgive.

PAIN?
4 platinum albums all concepts by Dennis
Money rolling in for many years
Can you explain this pain thing please?

There is more to life than financial pain.

Not when the band does 600 shows a year
Thats the pain buddy.

WOW....thats 2 shows a day.

[froy]

Even if the others reached out to Dennis with the idea, I'm sure the pain they caused him carries a lot of resentment with it that would not be easy to forgive.

PAIN?
4 platinum albums all concepts by Dennis
Money rolling in for many years
Can you explain this pain thing please?

There is more to life than financial pain.

Not when the band does 600 shows a year
Thats the pain buddy.

WOW....thats 2 shows a day.

Pretty wild eh

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I hope Tommy doesn't strain his voice when he's singing twice a day !! LOL

They didn't work together on BNW. Each song was done separately and sent to the other to add whatever they had to add. In a few cases, it was just their own musicians that were added, not the rest of the band. So technically this isn't like a Styx album, kind of like solo songs of the members and put together on a album.