DDY - Article 06-29-2006 You'll love this one!

[AnnieOprah]

When asked what part of Styx’s history matters the most, DeYoung answered without hesitation.

“‘The Grand Illusion’ album, without a doubt in my mind, and its single, ‘Come Sail Away,’” he said. “Come on, who is Styx? When people ask that in 200 years, they will play ‘Come Sail Away.’ That song is energetic and it has the artsy-fartsy part in the middle, and there’s the ballad-part beginning. ‘Come Sail Away’ has it all. That song is Styx.”

I'll bet that JY explodes when he reads that! JY will probably come out with his own announcement in the next few days saying: "Come Sail Away was pretentious crap and I couldn't stand playing it live. Everyone knows that STYX is defined by songs like Renegade and Snowblind!"

Snowblind gets my vote as suckiest, most over-rated Styx song ever. And yes, I realize that it was co-written my DDY.

[Zan]

[quote="AnnieOprah]

Zan...please just give it a rest... There are many on this board who are weary of your antics...[/quote]



There are many on this board whose "antics" *I'm* tired of as well. I guess if I gotta deal with it, so do you, Dear. Have a nice day.

[styxfanNH]

JY would never trash Come Sail Away. According to Tommy, it was actually he and JY who wrote that little ditty.

I thought it was a great article. Knowing Dennis would do reunion shows with JY, Tommy, & Chuck shows who the bigger man is and who really does care about the hardcore fans.

Zan soon will post that I am smoking something or still in my backstage mode. As for the backstage mode she is 100% correct. As for smoking something as much as I wish I could I get drug tested 3 to 4 times per year so thats out.

2 of the 3 REAL talents are now playing with Dennis. I will stick by my dime a dozen comments regarding JY and Chuck. Kyle can give Todd a pretty good run for the money on the drums.

It is time to put Dennis, Tommy, JY, Chuck, Glen and Todd back on the same stage together. These are the six surviving members that own the Styx history.

Until then enjoy BOTH shows!!!

Still amazes me how even Dennis misrepresents Chuck. One of the two surviving original members. Chuck's role may be part time, but he's still a part of Styx.

[styxfanNH]

There's a point/counter-point for anything that is said by either camp. neither has been an angel in this. They're all at fault for tearing down the value of the band. Chuck is probably the one who has tainted the band the least. Probably because he doesn't say anything one way or another. But then again, he is writing his autobiographyso weill see.

[gr8dane]

When asked what part of Styx’s history matters the most, DeYoung answered without hesitation.

“‘The Grand Illusion’ album, without a doubt in my mind, and its single, ‘Come Sail Away,’” he said. “Come on, who is Styx? When people ask that in 200 years, they will play ‘Come Sail Away.’ That song is energetic and it has the artsy-fartsy part in the middle, and there’s the ballad-part beginning. ‘Come Sail Away’ has it all. That song is Styx.”

I'll bet that JY explodes when he reads that! JY will probably come out with his own announcement in the next few days saying: "Come Sail Away was pretentious crap and I couldn't stand playing it live. Everyone knows that STYX is defined by songs like Renegade and Snowblind!"

Snowblind gets my vote as suckiest, most over-rated Styx song ever. And yes, I realize that it was co-written my DDY.

Suckiest? It isn't exactly Snowhite they are singing about ,more like white snow as in blow,if you get the drift?

[DeeJaySTYX]

There's a point/counter-point for anything that is said by either camp. neither has been an angel in this. They're all at fault for tearing down the value of the band. Chuck is probably the one who has tainted the band the least. Probably because he doesn't say anything one way or another. But then again, he is writing his autobiographyso weill see.

Well said NH, but I would say John Panozzo who has tainted the Band the least, and he was the biggest team player, and then Chuck....

[DeeJaySTYX]

Snowblind gets my vote as suckiest, most over-rated Styx song ever. And yes, I realize that it was co-written my DDY.

Sorry...I have to disagree with you there...

[styxfanNH]

There's a point/counter-point for anything that is said by either camp. neither has been an angel in this. They're all at fault for tearing down the value of the band. Chuck is probably the one who has tainted the band the least. Probably because he doesn't say anything one way or another. But then again, he is writing his autobiographyso weill see.

Well said NH, but I would say John who has tainted the Band the least, and he was the biggest team player, and then Chuck....

Both Johns weren't around for any of the current mess. In their dreams Styx is as it should be.

[DeeJaySTYX]

There's a point/counter-point for anything that is said by either camp. neither has been an angel in this. They're all at fault for tearing down the value of the band. Chuck is probably the one who has tainted the band the least. Probably because he doesn't say anything one way or another. But then again, he is writing his autobiographyso weill see.

Well said NH, but I would say John who has tainted the Band the least, and he was the biggest team player, and then Chuck....

Both Johns weren't around for any of the current mess. In their dreams Styx is as it should be.

Ahhh, but the current mess stems all the way back from Cornerstone...

[gr8dane]

There's a point/counter-point for anything that is said by either camp. neither has been an angel in this. They're all at fault for tearing down the value of the band. Chuck is probably the one who has tainted the band the least. Probably because he doesn't say anything one way or another. But then again, he is writing his autobiographyso weill see.

Well said NH, but I would say John who has tainted the Band the least, and he was the biggest team player, and then Chuck....

Both Johns weren't around for any of the current mess. In their dreams Styx is as it should be.

Ahhh, but the current mess stems all the way back from Cornerstone...

I agree.

[styxfanNH]

There's a point/counter-point for anything that is said by either camp. neither has been an angel in this. They're all at fault for tearing down the value of the band. Chuck is probably the one who has tainted the band the least. Probably because he doesn't say anything one way or another. But then again, he is writing his autobiographyso weill see.

Well said NH, but I would say John who has tainted the Band the least, and he was the biggest team player, and then Chuck....

Both Johns weren't around for any of the current mess. In their dreams Styx is as it should be.

Ahhh, but the current mess stems all the way back from Cornerstone...

There are different eras of mess. This is the post Kilroy/RTP Mess that most of us quote.

[DeeJaySTYX]

I see your point...

[gr8dane]

There's a point/counter-point for anything that is said by either camp. neither has been an angel in this. They're all at fault for tearing down the value of the band. Chuck is probably the one who has tainted the band the least. Probably because he doesn't say anything one way or another. But then again, he is writing his autobiographyso weill see.

Well said NH, but I would say John who has tainted the Band the least, and he was the biggest team player, and then Chuck....

Both Johns weren't around for any of the current mess. In their dreams Styx is as it should be.

Ahhh, but the current mess stems all the way back from Cornerstone...

There are different eras of mess. This is the post Kilroy/RTP Mess that most of us quote.

The beginning of the end then.

[froy]

[quote="AnnieOprah]

Zan...please just give it a rest... There are many on this board who are weary of your antics...

There are many on this board whose "antics" *I'm* tired of as well. I guess if I gotta deal with it, so do you, Dear. Have a nice day.

[/quote]

We all love you Zan you know that
This board is for fun remember that no personal stuff here like calling someone gay or a baffoon or an idiot
you know stuff like that,

[DarwinNebraska]

Wow Zan... you are such a DDY hater.

It's tiresome already.

Hate is a strong word. I think he's full of sh*t, yes. I agree, it is tiresome. You go first.

It's contempt... either way it's unnecessary. You don't like him... we get it... you love the current line-up... some of us don't.

No need to take shots at every turn.

[shaka]

Kyle can give Todd a pretty good run for the money on the drums.

No offense but if Kyle is same guy that is on Dennis' DVD then he can't hold a candle to Todd. I watched that DVD several times and he's an average drummer. His performance was spotty in places.

I agree Kyle is good but not better.

Todd is flat out one of the best drummers in rock right now.

Not even close
He's good but thats it .

Once again you speak from a position of complete and total ignorance. Fire up that RTP DVD and get a master class in what a top drummer is. I showed that DVD to a drummer who is one of the top session guys (and a devotee of Neal Peart) in my area and his jaw hit the floor. After that he became a Styx fan simply for Todd. If that guy thinks Todd is great then Todd is great.

Eric

[froy]

Todd is flat out one of the best drummers in rock right now.

Not even close
He's good but thats it .

Once again you speak from a position of complete and total ignorance. Fire up that RTP DVD and get a master class in what a top drummer is. I showed that DVD to a drummer who is one of the top session guys (and a devotee of Neal Peart) in my area and his jaw hit the floor. After that he became a Styx fan simply for Todd. If that guy thinks Todd is great then Todd is great.

Eric[/quote][/quote]

Todd is a great drummer he is not flat out the best drummer in Rock and Roll

Simon Phillips Steve Smith Kenny Aranoff Neil Peart
The dude who was in Page and Plant
All are better,

And enough with the total ignorance crap buddie
I have been to a 1000 concerts I know who the best drummers are.
Todd is good not the best,

[DeeJaySTYX]

And incidentally, there was a time when they (TS, JY, et al) were asking Dennis about returning to the band, and he "responded through my lawyer" I believe that was in the Melodicrock interview. In another article there was specific mention of his not wanting to join the tour, but Suite would have to pull it up from the list archives (it would have been around late 1999). Of course that was a long time ago and a lot may have changed since then. If so that's a good thing!

Yep, just jam packed with useless information up there. *lol*

I agree though, it's a very nice article![/color]

Yes, I remember you used to quote his "They didn't/wouldn't return my calls" with his "They'd been calling me, and I responded through my lawyer" from the few months prior. It was brilliant, as many of your posts were. *g*

And no, not a lot has changed since then. lol

This is from an interview with Dennis from Midwest Beat Magazine.....

DeYoung said the original tour pitched by management had not been
scheduled to begin until late September and that he told Shaw and Young that
he most likely would be up to touring by fall. But, they jump-started the
tour with the revamped line up in July.


When DeYoung asked to join up with them for the fall leg of the tour as
planned, his offer was declined in a letter from their attorney. "They won't
even talk to me," he said. "We haven't spoken since they started the tour
except through our attorneys. They wrote back through their attorney that my
offer to be involved in the fall tour was 'outrageous and unacceptable at
this late date'. But the fall tour had not even been planned yet."

[froy]

When DeYoung asked to join up with them for the fall leg of the tour as
planned, his offer was declined in a letter from their attorney. "They won't
even talk to me," he said. "We haven't spoken since they started the tour
except through our attorneys. They wrote back through their attorney that my
offer to be involved in the fall tour was 'outrageous and unacceptable at
this late date'. But the fall tour had not even been planned yet."

And 700 shows later STYX is in the gutter
That is outrageous.
Anyone who supports theses goofs needs some help.
They flat out broke up a great band all for MONEY.
Stop giving it to them .l

[shaka]

I never said he was the best. I just said he's one of the top drummers in rock today. Time to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Dude I could care less how many concerts you've been too. I put myself through college doing session and production work and continued through the early part of this decade. I'm confident in my ability to judge actual musical talent. Todd is up there with Phillips, Smith and Aranoff. Nobody can touch Peart.

[froy]

I never said he was the best. I just said he's one of the top drummers in rock today. Time to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Dude I could care less how many concerts you've been too. I put myself through college doing session and production work and continued through the early part of this decade. I'm confident in my ability to judge actual musical talent. Todd is up there with Phillips, Smith and Aranoff. Nobody can touch Peart.

Again I said he is a great drummer I just rank him below the ones I mentioned
Lets agree to disagree here is all a matter of taste I guess.
Check out Page and Plants drummer I think his name is Michael Lee the guy is an animal.
On fire.,

[Zan]

Wow Zan... you are such a DDY hater.

It's tiresome already.

Hate is a strong word. I think he's full of sh*t, yes. I agree, it is tiresome. You go first.

It's contempt... either way it's unnecessary. You don't like him... we get it... you love the current line-up... some of us don't.

No need to take shots at every turn.

NOTHING ON THIS BOARD IS NECESSARY. NOTHING. Not trying to be argumentative (in this instance), just pointing out a simple truth. Now, can someone please explain to me how it's ok for ayone to criticse JY, Gowan, Tommy, Ricky ad nauseum, but it's NOT ok to do the same for Dennis? Is it because he's the one who was ousted? I have never agreed with "rallying" anti-support for any camp. This is and has always been my issue with people like Froy - and those who continue to expel crap about the line-up. Even I, with my obvious distaste for Dennis, don't ask people not support him or his music. I just don't happen to support everything he stands for.

I know I shouldn't get abrasive over him - but I can't stand hearing about the martyrdom of St. Dennis when anyone with a brain understands that NO ONE is a saint here. I get tired or hearing it, especially when it is my opinion that he caused a great deal of the damage in this situation. I don't go around advertising it or starting campaigns - I reply to things I read that I don't agree with and won't co-sign what I believe to be B.S, just because it "seems" factual way to those who agree with it...

I guarantee that if the bickering stopped on all sides, you wouldn't hear a peep from me about Dennis DeYoung's character. He and his actions affect me a lot less than people think. My biggest problem is allowing the hatred some of you people have towards Styx to irritate me. I think we'd ALL be happier if everyone just saw and listened to who they wanted and enjoyed it for what it is. But there are some here who won't allow that to happen.

And Froy - you are correct in that this place SHOULD be about fun and being friends. I'm still in shock that you wrote "You know we love you Zan," but that's another story. The trouble is, too many opinions based on limited or one-sided information or slanted POVs for that to always happen.

But you gotta admit, those Richard Simmons posts are funny!

Let us all pray for peace.

[froy]

Now, can someone please explain to me how it's ok for ayone to criticse JY, Gowan, Tommy, Ricky ad nauseum, but it's NOT ok to do the same for Dennis?

Who said it was not ok ?
Go ahead go after Dennis but please don't make up lies like you did about Dennis singing Esmerelda live when we all know Amick does it , We must assume when you lie Zan then your credability is shot.
Nobody said Dennis was perfect we did say Gowan is terrible and when I posted the 2 songs he sang nobody stuck up for him , As far as Shaw and Young go ahead stick up for them they are scum bags immature people who have ruined the STYX name , Something you do not care about and thats because you are not a STYX fan.
You are a closet Tommy Shaw fan
When he goes so does Zan.

Is it because he's the one who was ousted? I have never agreed with "rallying" anti-support for any camp.

Who cares what you agree with.

This is and has always been my issue with people like Froy - and those who continue to expel crap about the line-up.

The lineup is crap and the lineup is not STYX
You do not ever say anything positive about the lineup
Never a review from a show that is worth anything
All you do is stick up for Tommy Shaw thats it
Start sticking up for STYX THE REAL STYX not just 1 guy who is holding it back.

Even I, with my obvious distaste for Dennis,

And that tells us all you are not a Styz fan

And Froy - you are correct in that this place SHOULD be about fun and being friends. I'm still in shock that you wrote "You know we love you Zan," but that's another story. ;-

Zan Im going to PM you my cell phone call me we can talk outside of this.



Let us all pray for peace. [/color][/b]

And also with you .

[OrlandoChris]

You know, DENNIS started the lawsuit.

DENNIS was the one trashing the band on radio stations after he was told they were going out without him.

JY was the one who had Tommy and Dennis talk when (I believe it was in NY someplace-I cannot remember where I read it) DY and Styx 4.0 were playing near each other...

People are HUMAN. This band is HUMAN. You're entitled to your opinions, but taking them to obession is the sign of illness.

Dennis is finally happy. He can play what he wants, when he wants to. Why do you want him to be miserable playing with people who don't want to work with him? Has that thought crossed your mind Froy?

[DarwinNebraska]

[b][color=magenta]Now, can someone please explain to me how it's ok for ayone to criticse JY, Gowan, Tommy, Ricky ad nauseum, but it's NOT ok to do the same for Dennis?

It's ok to criticize... it's how you go about it. It's obvious you're going out of your way to criticize Dennis in response to those who criticize the current line-up.

I'm just not sure why you have such contempt for him and his wife's relationship.

[Zan]

I'm just not sure why you have such contempt for him and his wife's relationship.

LOL!!! omg, Contempt? I don't give a sh*t!!! And so doesn't half the planet! That is my point. How many times do we need to hear how long they've been married fer chrissakes? And...does she really need to wear micro mini leather skirts? I would criticze any nearly 60 yr old women for dressing the way she does, it has nothing to do with HER. It looks daft.

[Ash]

I'm just not sure why you have such contempt for him and his wife's relationship.

LOL!!! omg, Contempt? I don't give a sh*t!!! And so doesn't half the planet! That is my point. How many times do we need to hear how long they've been married fer chrissakes? And...does she really need to wear micro mini leather skirts? I would criticze any nearly 60 yr old women for dressing the way she does, it has nothing to do with HER. It looks daft.

For not giving a shit - you sure do have a strong opinion. Don't pretend to not give a shit and then react strongly everytime it's mentioned. If you talk about it - then you care. Stop kidding yourself and everyone else.

I bet there are things about you and everyone else that we would thing are weird, or quirky, or downright strange and immature. I know there are such things about me.

And frankly - she can dress however she wants. If it makes her feel comfortable and she's secure in how she is presenting herself then why the hell do you care so much to have an opinion?

The difference as I see it - (and I can only speak for myself) is that I critisize JY and Tommy for what they say and the actions they take - not the way they look (which I don't think I've ever expressed an opinion on). And I can draw from recent examples of things that Tommy or JY have said to back up my argument. All people on the other side seem capable of is poking fun at his wife, making fun of his ballads and drawing ammunition from a lawsuit that was filed almost 10 years ago.

I'm sorry - but if the bulk of your ammunition is his wife's dress and a personal disdain for some of his music - then you have already lost the argument. Hell - you're not even IN the same argument. Here we have JY trying to tear down Dennis in every interview he does - and people here trying to call him and his wife names. All because there isn't one damn positive thing JY or his fans can say about the current state of the guys in the current band "Styx" can say that anyone remotely believes.

And in the end - thats why JY gets asked about Dennis and speaks about Dennis by name. Because Dennis is the shadow that James Young cannot get away from - and JY hates it with every fiber of his being. He's clawing at that curtain with every claw in his hands and feet trying to get through to the spotlight... and the more he tries, the more he proves how irrelevant he really is.

Respectfully

[Zan]

Go ahead go after Dennis but please don't make up lies like you did about Dennis singing Esmerelda live when we all know Amick does it , We must assume when you lie Zan then your credability is shot.

First of all, "we" don't "all" know everything. You're right in that the other guy sang Esmerelda (I think) back last April when I saw him. But Dennis DID sing it on the HUnchback CD - that is a fact, and (at least most) EVERYONE DOES KNOW THAT.

Nobody said Dennis was perfect we did say Gowan is terrible and when I posted the 2 songs he sang nobody stuck up for him , As far as Shaw and Young go ahead stick up for them they are scum bags immature people who have ruined the STYX name , Something you do not care about and thats because you are not a STYX fan.

Froy, my little ray of sunshine & light, maybe people are tired of "defending" Gowan EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU TAKE A SHOT AT HIM. Did that ever occur to you? That maybe people don't have the time and energy to keep going like you do. You're the antiStyx energizer bunny for cryin' out loud.

You are a closet Tommy Shaw fan
When he goes so does Zan.

Of course I'm a Tommy Shaw fan. And a Todd Sucherman fan, and a JY fan, and a Gowan fan, and a Glen Burtnik fan. The latter should adequetely prove that your last statement is completely false.

Is it because he's the one who was ousted? I have never agreed with "rallying" anti-support for any camp

Who cares what you agree with.

Given the unbelievable amount of replies I get for my posts, I'd say quite a few of you.

This is and has always been my issue with people like Froy - and those who continue to expel crap about the line-up.

The lineup is crap and the lineup is not STYX
You do not ever say anything positive about the lineup
Never a review from a show that is worth anything
All you do is stick up for Tommy Shaw thats it
Start sticking up for STYX THE REAL STYX not just 1 guy who is holding it back.

Well, there is a real reason for that. I stopped posted lengthy reviews a long time ago - probably mid-2000 - because I only have so many hours in a day sometimes, and I'm bored writing reviews anymore. The novelty has worn off. But really, common sense would tell the average person that, and after seeing this many shows, it's safe to assume I go because I still ENJOY them. Duh.

(This is not even mentioning the fact that anytime anyone posts something positive about the lineup, you jump in with the commentary. Kinda takes the enjoyment & incentive out of it.)

Even I, with my obvious distaste for Dennis,

And that tells us all you are not a Styz fan

1. I used to be a Dennis fan, 2. Dennis is not the only guy from Styx.

And Froy - you are correct in that this place SHOULD be about fun and being friends. I'm still in shock that you wrote "You know we love you Zan," but that's another story. ;-

Zan Im going to PM you my cell phone call me we can talk outside of this.

I got it & replied. I called & left a message. If you're hoping to discover I'm not really a raving bitch, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

Let us all pray for peace.

And also with you .

[Zan]

I'm just not sure why you have such contempt for him and his wife's relationship.

LOL!!! omg, Contempt? I don't give a sh*t!!! And so doesn't half the planet! That is my point. How many times do we need to hear how long they've been married fer chrissakes? And...does she really need to wear micro mini leather skirts? I would criticze any nearly 60 yr old women for dressing the way she does, it has nothing to do with HER. It looks daft.

For not giving a shit - you sure do have a strong opinion. Don't pretend to not give a shit and then react strongly everytime it's mentioned. If you talk about it - then you care. Stop kidding yourself and everyone else.

I bet there are things about you and everyone else that we would thing are weird, or quirky, or downright strange and immature. I know there are such things about me.

And frankly - she can dress however she wants. If it makes her feel comfortable and she's secure in how she is presenting herself then why the hell do you care so much to have an opinion?

The difference as I see it - (and I can only speak for myself) is that I critisize JY and Tommy for what they say and the actions they take - not the way they look (which I don't think I've ever expressed an opinion on). And I can draw from recent examples of things that Tommy or JY have said to back up my argument. All people on the other side seem capable of is poking fun at his wife, making fun of his ballads and drawing ammunition from a lawsuit that was filed almost 10 years ago.

I'm sorry - but if the bulk of your ammunition is his wife's dress and a personal disdain for some of his music - then you have already lost the argument. Hell - you're not even IN the same argument. Here we have JY trying to tear down Dennis in every interview he does - and people here trying to call him and his wife names. All because there isn't one damn positive thing JY or his fans can say about the current state of the guys in the current band "Styx" can say that anyone remotely believes.

And in the end - thats why JY gets asked about Dennis and speaks about Dennis by name. Because Dennis is the shadow that James Young cannot get away from - and JY hates it with every fiber of his being. He's clawing at that curtain with every claw in his hands and feet trying to get through to the spotlight... and the more he tries, the more he proves how irrelevant he really is.

Respectfully

Oh, good flippin' grief. OF COURSE she is entitled to wear whatever she wants. This is America, after all. But when I see a woman like that, dressing as she does, MY first reaction is that SHE is the one kidding HERSELF. FYI - I am as critical or worse on my self, and it has nothing to do with Dennis DeYoung or his sex/love life, I assure you. I just hope to God that when I'm that age, I have the sense to know never to dress like that - maybe that's why you perceive me as "caring so much." I think, Oh God...please not me - someone shoot me if I ever walk out of the house like that. lol

As far as your "arguments" about who, what, when, why & how, I take issue with all that "important" stuff as well - I believe I have already explained a lot of these things to you before too. Just because I happen to think Suzanne looks ridiculous in addition to that is irrelevant. Just because I roll my eyes into the back of my head when I hear him say for the four hundreth time "We've been married for such-and-such amount of time," doesn't mean I have "contempt" for their relationship. It only means I'm tired of hearing about it.

Now, about my "distain" for some of his music...I have never, outside of thinking his recent songs don't belong in a rock band (and they DON'T), used my opinion on his music as "ammunition" against Dennis. His OPEN MOUTH and general diva, whiny-@ss attitude is what helped create my opinion of him, just as JY's has helped create yours. We've been over this.

Furthermore, I see people arguing "this argument" with "JY's songs sucked," "Tommy did cocaine" CONSTANTLY!!!! What argument are YOU part of? Do you only read MY posts? It sure seems like it at times.

And one more thing: If people would SHUT UP about Dennis, I'd be bothered by him a LOT less.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Well I for one will not be silent about Dennis, I'm a huge fan of his! I enjoy talking about his concerts, music, etc. I love to babble about a ton of things!!

Dennis doesn't play a ton of concerts, so most of the people attending his shows never heard how many years he's been married, the a-hole story, "Castle Walls & the movie "The Exorcist" and other stories. When I went to see Dennis in NYC I have already been to about 8 DDY concerts and heard all the jokes and stories, it was funny to see my dad & brother laugh and laugh, as well as most of the crowd, since they never heard any of these stories before. Majority of these DDY concert stories never even heard the CSA speech.