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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby conversationpc » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:15 am

jrnyman28 wrote:That was my point. I am more of a casual fan of Styx and only saw them live the one time with Gowan. At the time I thought he sounded a lot like DDY. But when I listen to Journey, it was surprising to me how people could call Steve a Perry sound-a-like!


Same here. Even the first time I saw Journey live, which was the '98 tour, at first I thought Augeri definitely sounded almost exactly like Perry. By the end of the show, though, I was hearing subtle differences and now that I've been such a huge fan for several years, I can immediately tell the difference and they sound nothing at all alike to me. Of course, some of that has to do with the fact that Augeri was getting more and more comfortable in the band and at giving the songs his own style rather than being a Perry doppelganger.

As for Gowan, I agree with you. I thought he sounded a lot like DeYoung as well but I've only seen them live twice. I will say, though, that Gowan sounds absolutely horrible on the live Styx CD I have, "Styxworld Live 2001". I only listened to it once and then maybe a track or two after that. Yuck!
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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby froy » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:21 am

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As for Gowan, I agree with you. I thought he sounded a lot like DeYoung as well but I've only seen them live twice.


There is nobody on the earth that sounds like Dennis
The guy from Light UP the Milwauke cover band is close



I will say, though, that Gowan sounds absolutely horrible on the live Styx CD I have, "Styxworld Live 2001". I only listened to it once and then maybe a track or two after that. Yuck!
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And the STYX fans say who cares he's hyped up on a sixer of red bull and he shakes his ass is there faces
Thats a feel good I guess.
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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby Zan » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:42 am

conversationpc wrote:doppelganger.



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Postby BlackWall » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:06 am

It's kind of funny, I was at a Chicago concert a couple of weeks back, and before the show, a girl sitting near us started talking about how great Chicago was going to be, and how much she loved Peter Cetera.. I kind of joked with my friend, and said, she does realize he's not in the band anymore, right? Well, right before it started, she mentioned Cetera again, and my friend actually said something to the fact of him no longer being a part of the group, and she was shocked. She had even seen them in concert a couple of years before, and had just assumed Jason Scheff was Peter Cetera.

My point being that these types of fans are the majority at concerts.. This is how bands like Journey, Styx, Foreigner, and yes, even Chicago keep rolling. In Chicago's case, at least Scheff has been at it for 21 years, and has had a couple of big hits with them as lead vocalist(not that they actually play anything beyond 1982). In fact, he's been in the band now a couple of years longer than Cetera was. Now, personally, even if I'm not a diehard fan of a band, when I go to a concert, I still like to know who does what, and at least a little bit of info about the group, but that's just me.

For me, I think it depends on how much influence the person had in the band, and the reason for their departure, as to whether I can accept a replacement. In the case of Styx, Dennis had a huge influence, and I still think his departure is a major loss, but Shaw also had some decent influence, and I still feel that a split was probably kind of inevitable. if I need to see Dennis, I can still go to a solo show, so I'm willing to accept both camps. I actually think the solo thing has allowed both sides to develop a little more, but a DeYoung concert is definitely a more rewarding experience, hands down.

For Journey, I'm not that big of a fan in the first place(so don't take anything I say too seriously), but I think it's fair that they keep going. I'm not 100%, but didn't Perry want out? I think whenever a band member wants out, and there are still other key members(Schon, Cain), then why not keep at it? I do think losing Perry was a blow to the band, simply because his vocals were a huge part of Journey's sound, but he wanted out, and while he played a part(a huge part)in their commercial period, it could be argued that he wasn't actually even an original member. As for the latest Steve, I feel for him, especially because it sounds like it wasn't his choice, but again, they still have the other key members, and only recorded what, two albums with him?

As far as Foreigner, I might be seeing them at a future Dennis show, but I don't think I'll ever be able to accept someone other than Lou doing their vox. Foreigner never really had other key members, outside of Mick Jones, and Lou did all the vocals, helped compose songs, and his health is the reason why he can no longer tour.. I think people sometimes take for granted the fact that the voice of a lead vocalist is like an instrument in of itself.
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Postby rsimpson » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:10 am

As far as "Foreigner", I might be seeing them at a future Dennis show, but I don't think I'll ever be able to accept someone other than Lou doing their vox. "Foreigner" never really had other key members, outside of Mick Jones, but Lou did all the vocals, helped compose songs, and his health is the reason why he can no longer tour.. I think people sometimes take for granted the fact that the voice of a lead vocalist is like an instrument in of itself.



Lou Gramm does still tour
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Postby styxfanNH » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:21 am

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Postby BlackWall » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:01 am

Interesting, I did not know this. So, was it his choice to go solo, or did Mick fire him?
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:12 am

BlackWall wrote:Interesting, I did not know this. So, was it his choice to go solo, or did Mick fire him?


This interview with Lou will tell you a lot. An excerpt:

Jeb: Foreigner is out – basically as the Mick Jones Band – and they are booking a lot of dates. Why are you not a part of it?

Lou: At the end of 2001, Mick and I decided to call it quits. There was really nothing left for he and I to accomplish together. We really were not seeing eye-to-eye on anything. I really don’t want to get into a he said/she said type of thing where the tabloids are bashing one or the other – I don’t want to go there again. I opted out of the band. I am not a kid anymore. I knew what I wanted to do and I also knew we would not be doing it in Foreigner. It was the perfect time for me to put the people around me that I wanted around me to do the kind of music that I wanted to do at this point of my life.


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Postby Monker » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:30 am

NealIsGod wrote:Why should they stop if there are people willing to pay to see them? And not everyone is infatuated with singers. There are other musicians on the stage with them, you know.


I would agree with you...Except in Journey's case they made this last switch after the dates were already on sale. It's not like the case where Augeri replaced Perry, or Gowan replace DeYoung, BEFORE the tour started. So, you really have NO IDEA how fans would have reacted to this change by 'not buying tickets'.
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Postby StyxCollector » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:41 am

Monker wrote:I would agree with you...Except in Journey's case they made this last switch after the dates were already on sale. It's not like the case where Augeri replaced Perry, or Gowan replace DeYoung, BEFORE the tour started. So, you really have NO IDEA how fans would have reacted to this change by 'not buying tickets'.


Well, it's also hard to separate because it's a co-headlining tour. If Journey was on its own, you could easily measure the difference.
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Postby pinkfloyd1973 » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:42 am

The way I look at it, the current line up of Styx can use the name and Dennis can use the "Music of Styx" but there'll never be a Styx in the truest sense of the name again. But hey, i'm ok with it :D


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Postby styxfanNH » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:04 pm

Hey everyone, this is one of the better threads we've had in a long time.

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Postby froy » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:59 pm

Lou Gramm does still tour


And very badly I must say
His voice is trashed very sad .
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Postby silvergirl66 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:59 pm

Lou was horrible I must say. I saw them a few years ago and I was really anticipating the show. The band was very good but his voice could not hold up. I had to block that memory out, I wanted to remember the songs like they used to be.

ON ANOTHER NOTE.........PERTAINING TO THIS THREAD. If your a Survivor fan of any sort, go check out their forum LOL! They are getting a new singer! Now I knew something had been up for awhile, but this one takes the cake for sure!
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Postby Monker » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:53 am

StyxCollector wrote:
Monker wrote:I would agree with you...Except in Journey's case they made this last switch after the dates were already on sale. It's not like the case where Augeri replaced Perry, or Gowan replace DeYoung, BEFORE the tour started. So, you really have NO IDEA how fans would have reacted to this change by 'not buying tickets'.


Well, it's also hard to separate because it's a co-headlining tour. If Journey was on its own, you could easily measure the difference.


That's somewhat true...

But, they are selling 15,000 - 20,000 seats. DL can't do that on their own...and neither can Journey. If they were booking that size of venues, and only sold half the tickets, you would be able to tell something was wrong...because Journey was selling that many tickets ALONE the last tour (5,000 - 10,000, at least.)
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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:00 pm

froy wrote:There is nobody on the earth that sounds like Dennis
The guy from Light UP the Milwauke cover band is close


The one that's the closest for me is the singer prog metal band Ice Age. Can't recall his name right off.
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Postby AnnieOprah » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:36 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
BlackWall wrote:Interesting, I did not know this. So, was it his choice to go solo, or did Mick fire him?


This interview with Lou will tell you a lot. An excerpt:

Jeb: Foreigner is out – basically as the Mick Jones Band – and they are booking a lot of dates. Why are you not a part of it?

Lou: At the end of 2001, Mick and I decided to call it quits. There was really nothing left for he and I to accomplish together. We really were not seeing eye-to-eye on anything. I really don’t want to get into a he said/she said type of thing where the tabloids are bashing one or the other – I don’t want to go there again. I opted out of the band. I am not a kid anymore. I knew what I wanted to do and I also knew we would not be doing it in Foreigner. It was the perfect time for me to put the people around me that I wanted around me to do the kind of music that I wanted to do at this point of my life.


http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/Int ... ramm05.htm



Wow. A mature response. JY, please take note...
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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby AnnieOprah » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:37 pm

conversationpc wrote:
froy wrote:There is nobody on the earth that sounds like Dennis
The guy from Light UP the Milwauke cover band is close


The one that's the closest for me is the singer prog metal band Ice Age. Can't recall his name right off.



Someone said that the singer from GTR "When the Heart Rules the Mind" sounded like DDY.
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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby StyxCollector » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:49 pm

AnnieOprah wrote:Someone said that the singer from GTR "When the Heart Rules the Mind" sounded like DDY.


I would disagree that Max Bacon sounds like DDY.
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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby whocares » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:59 pm

StyxCollector wrote:
AnnieOprah wrote:Someone said that the singer from GTR "When the Heart Rules the Mind" sounded like DDY.


I would disagree that Max Bacon sounds like DDY.


me too, since I JUST listened to that song less than 15 minutes ago, before I even knew there was a posting about it.

GTR, damn I miss them.
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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby jrnyman28 » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:42 pm

whocares wrote:
StyxCollector wrote:
AnnieOprah wrote:Someone said that the singer from GTR "When the Heart Rules the Mind" sounded like DDY.


I would disagree that Max Bacon sounds like DDY.


me too, since I JUST listened to that song less than 15 minutes ago, before I even knew there was a posting about it.

GTR, damn I miss them.


Loved GTR. Did Max go on to sing on anything else?
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Postby bugsymalone » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:31 am

It seems a rare thing for the original singers' voices to hold up. Not a lot of them out there. I am a fan of the originals, not the copies, but that is just me.
I saw Queen + Paul Rodgers on a TV show and they were great, but they were not Queen to me. Rodgers is one whose voice sounds very strong, even today, but the unique voice of Freddie is sorely missed.

Sad to read about Lou Gramm, because he was an amazing voice in his day. Very much one of a kind. (Ditto DDY).

I was thrilled to hear Rik Emmett at the DDY AC show. He sounded terrific!! Ditto John Waite at the Rockford show.

As to what Ash originally stated, I see it as it's all in what thrills ya with the music. For some it is the voice. Others the whole band. Others the combo of both. What brought me to Styx was the voice of Dennis DeYoung, first and foremost.

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Re: So Where Do You Draw The Line

Postby jimmy19029 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:52 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
whocares wrote:
StyxCollector wrote:
AnnieOprah wrote:Someone said that the singer from GTR "When the Heart Rules the Mind" sounded like DDY.


I would disagree that Max Bacon sounds like DDY.


me too, since I JUST listened to that song less than 15 minutes ago, before I even knew there was a posting about it.

GTR, damn I miss them.


Loved GTR. Did Max go on to sing on anything else?


I hear that Max actually returned to his job as a milkman in the U.K. Seriously!

Freddy Curci of Sheriff was a Fed Ex delivery guy in 1988/89 when When I'm With You was re-released and went #1. Since some of the former bandmembers would not let him use the Sheriff name, he formed a new band Alias and had another big hit wit More Than Words Can Say.
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