10 best JY Songs

[AnnieOprah]

I can see what you're saying to a point, but I think any time a band makes a transition from a heavier style (Art Rock) to a more melodic, acoustic style there is going to be some grinding of gears. Cornerstone may have had some cringe moments (Never Say Never), but overall it's a very solid album from an artistic standpoint. Paradise Theatre is somewhat a masterpiece I think of what Dennis was trying to achieve by taking Styx from Art Rock to Acoustic driven melodic rock back in the early 80s and late 70s and it was absolutely nailed in my opinion.

Eddie is a really good song tho. You may not care for JY's vocal performance - and we can argue that. But the song style and lyrical message are pretty good (even if political).

I don't like Eddie from a song structure standpoint, either. Very repetitive in a non-interesting way. JY sounds like JY on it, so I don't hate the vocal performance. I can take or leave JY's "scathing" lyrics which don't disguise it's about Ted Kennedy. It's just not a good song; like the use of the guitar synth - that's it. Cornerstone is NOT one of my favorite Styx albums, and Eddie is another one of its victims.

Here's my issue with the so-called acoustic driven melodic rock band statement. PT and KWH were not acoustic driven. Are "Sing For The Day", "Fooling Yourself", "She Cares", "Boat on the River", or "Crystal Ball" DDY songs? No. Tommy is the acoustic guy in the band. Always was when he joined. It's who he is, and he's at his best when he's more folksy. Look at "Yes I Can" (barf) on Cyclorama. Point being, all this talk about Styx being such a hard driven rock band that just went soft with "Babe" is laughable.

This nailed it. Post of the YEAR.

[shaka]

I can see what you're saying to a point, but I think any time a band makes a transition from a heavier style (Art Rock) to a more melodic, acoustic style there is going to be some grinding of gears. Cornerstone may have had some cringe moments (Never Say Never), but overall it's a very solid album from an artistic standpoint. Paradise Theatre is somewhat a masterpiece I think of what Dennis was trying to achieve by taking Styx from Art Rock to Acoustic driven melodic rock back in the early 80s and late 70s and it was absolutely nailed in my opinion.

Eddie is a really good song tho. You may not care for JY's vocal performance - and we can argue that. But the song style and lyrical message are pretty good (even if political).

I don't like Eddie from a song structure standpoint, either. Very repetitive in a non-interesting way. JY sounds like JY on it, so I don't hate the vocal performance. I can take or leave JY's "scathing" lyrics which don't disguise it's about Ted Kennedy. It's just not a good song; like the use of the guitar synth - that's it. Cornerstone is NOT one of my favorite Styx albums, and Eddie is another one of its victims.

Here's my issue with the so-called acoustic driven melodic rock band statement. PT and KWH were not acoustic driven. Are "Sing For The Day", "Fooling Yourself", "She Cares", "Boat on the River", or "Crystal Ball" DDY songs? No. Tommy is the acoustic guy in the band. Always was when he joined. It's who he is, and he's at his best when he's more folksy. Look at "Yes I Can" (barf) on Cyclorama. Point being, all this talk about Styx being such a hard driven rock band that just went soft with "Babe" is laughable.

This nailed it. Post of the YEAR.

Acoustic guitar has always been a rock instrument. Tell Neil Young and Led Zep it is soft. Granted, some of Tommy's acoustic driven stuff is softer but that doesn't mean it's because they used an acoustic guitar as a main instrument.

The problem with Babe is partly production. The use of the Fender Rhodes piano was a bad choice and that particular sound definitely doubled the songs cheese factor. I think the song would have been better played on a regular old piano. Now don't get me wrong, I like Babe. However, I can see why it would be a sticking point with the other guys in the band. I think Babe by itself would have been ok, but coupled with first time? uhhhhhhg!

[StyxCollector]

Acoustic guitar has always been a rock instrument. Tell Neil Young and Led Zep it is soft. Granted, some of Tommy's acoustic driven stuff is softer but that doesn't mean it's because they used an acoustic guitar as a main instrument.

The problem with Babe is partly production. The use of the Fender Rhodes piano was a bad choice and that particular sound definitely doubled the songs cheese factor. I think the song would have been better played on a regular old piano. Now don't get me wrong, I like Babe. However, I can see why it would be a sticking point with the other guys in the band. I think Babe by itself would have been ok, but coupled with first time? uhhhhhhg!

Acoustic guitar absolutely has a place in rock music - I never said it didn't so I'm not sure where you're getting that. However, I wouldn't call "Fooling Yourself" a rocker. It's a good pop tune. A good acoustic behind a heavy riff can do wonders, but Styx never really used it that way. ("Heavy Water" on the album is an exception.) JY is on record hating acoustic guitars. I just think Tommy is much more comfortable behind an unplugged hunk of wood than something with a pickup and needing an amp.

The bigger issue is the current lineup of Styx keeps touting how much they rock or want to rock, yet you get "Yes I Can". So which is it? The fact that YIC even got on Cyclorama says to me who wears most of the pants in that relationship. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but for all those who hate "First Time", I think "Yes I Can" is much, much worse. The playing is fine. The harmonies are nice. The song sucks. I can make a distinction between the actual music arrangement and the song quality.

As for "Babe", it was originally just supposed to be a demo. And at that time, the Rhodes and things like the Yamaha CP70/CP80 were in vogue. It's easy to play armchair quarterback 27 years later to say, "Hey, that should have been played on a real piano." I think the Rhodes gives it a bit of character. I've openly stated Cornerstone is not my favorite, but other than "Eddie", which is the rocker on that album, where are the others? "Lights" And "Why Me"? No (but I like the songs). "Never Say Never"? Nope, not that one. "Boat On The River"? Definitely not. "Borrowed TIme"? No, but definitely one of my favorite Styx tunes. "Eddie"? Yes. "Love In the Midnight"? No.

So for a band that complained about arguably its principal songwriter going soft, there is evidence of said band being soft before that (i.e. "Sing for the Day"), and the album which had that song which supposedly was the beginning of the end didn't exactly rock hard.

I'm a fan, but I can be objective. PT definitely has a harder edge to it - no doubt about it. "Rockin' the Paradise", "Lonely People" (yes I know you're questioning it, but it has more edge as a song than most of Cornersone), "Snowblind" (which has all of the elements of Styx - the slow, the harmonies, the rock ... ), and "Half-Penny, Two Penny" (arguably the best song JY has done with Styx IMHO).

Cornerstone is and always will be to me an aberration in the 77 - 81 period.

[DerriD]

I think for every time they say they are a 'rock' band you could insert the word 'cool'. "We're a 'cool' band now." See, sounds more appropriate. Dennis always was the odd duck. JY was 'cool', but cool without power since Dennis wrote most everything early on and John C. didn't have enough clout to challenge. Enter Tommy who is a formidable writer and now JY has a 'cool' partner. Together they can challenge Dennis. Trouble is, Dennis is writing all the hits (or most of 'em anyway) and gets to drive the bus wherever he wants. Proof of this is on the CITA video with JY donning his Dr. Righteous outfit dancing on stage to Heavy Metal Poisoning.

Fast forward to 1999, Dennis is out. Now they can be all cool all the time. But the audience shrinks each time they cut one of those dorky Dennis songs. See ya can't have it both ways. Too bad. Styx with Dennis just gets higher attendance. Would they be selling out sheds even with Dennis if they toured relentlessly, doubt it, but the audience would be larger. And don't think the reluctant legend doesn't know it. Maybe that's why he's so grumpy all the time.

[StyxCollector]

I think for every time they say they are a 'rock' band you could insert the word 'cool'. "We're a 'cool' band now." See, sounds more appropriate. Dennis always was the odd duck. JY was 'cool', but cool without power since Dennis wrote most everything early on and John C. didn't have enough clout to challenge. Enter Tommy who is a formidable writer and now JY has a 'cool' partner. Together they can challenge Dennis. Trouble is, Dennis is writing all the hits (or most of 'em anyway) and gets to drive the bus wherever he wants. Proof of this is on the CITA video with JY donning his Dr. Righteous outfit dancing on stage to Heavy Metal Poisoning.

Fast forward to 1999, Dennis is out. Now they can be all cool all the time. But the audience shrinks each time they cut one of those dorky Dennis songs. See ya can't have it both ways. Too bad. Styx with Dennis just gets higher attendance. Would they be selling out sheds even with Dennis if they toured relentlessly, doubt it, but the audience would be larger. And don't think the reluctant legend doesn't know it. Maybe that's why he's so grumpy all the time.

Actually in the WN years, JY wrote and sang quite often. So it's only as the years go on his contributions got less and less. JC was the odd duck of the early years IMO ("Krakatoa"?!?!?). TS was more of a partner with DDY than JY. If TS and JY had such a tight bond, why didn't they really start writing together until BNW? Easy: DDY was gone from the picture. DDY wrote in Chicago, they were in LA.

I do agree that with DDY writing most (but not all) of the recognizable hits, he had the proverbial power, but the legal agreements they signed in 1981 made sure things were fairly equitable for the most part.

What you said about them not playing DDY songs is what I've said all along: they're shooting themselves in the foot. Yes, JY may hate playing "Babe", but would you rather have fans come away saying, "They played our song!" rather than "Why didn't they play most of the songs I know. I had a good time, but I'm not sure I'd see them again."

JY knows this. He is not dumb. I think he's on a mission to prove they don't need to have anything to do with DDY other than, say, "Lady", "GI", and "CSA". And his mission isn't doing so hot. If they are going to continue down this road, appeal to the die hard. Play "Midnight Ride". Play "Shooz". Throw us a bone. Medleys are nice, but come on ... no excuse. Would you rather hear "I Am The Walrus" or a full version of "Man In The Wilderness"?

And if you want the proof they're shooting themselves in the foot, here it is:
Top 10 US Singles for Styx - Lady (DDY), CSA (DDY), Babe (DDY), BOT (DDY), TMTOMH (Tommy), Roboto (DDY), DLIE (DDY), SMTW (DDY).

Out of the 8 top 10s, 7 were sung by DDY. They do Lady, CSA, and TMTOMH. I wouldn't expect them to do DLIE or SMTW. Gowan was rough on BOT, but have Tommy try it. They did Babe in Japan and that's it.

FY (#29 US), BCM (#21 US), and Renegade (#16 US) are TS' most recognizable songs.

[Ash]

Out of the 8 top 10s, 7 were sung by DDY. They do Lady, CSA, and TMTOMH. I wouldn't expect them to do DLIE or SMTW. Gowan was rough on BOT, but have Tommy try it. They did Babe in Japan and that's it.

I understand they did Babe in Japan because they were contractuallty obligated to do it. Meaning if they weren't going to play the song, then they couldn't play Japan.

That says a TON right there.

[StyxCollector]

Out of the 8 top 10s, 7 were sung by DDY. They do Lady, CSA, and TMTOMH. I wouldn't expect them to do DLIE or SMTW. Gowan was rough on BOT, but have Tommy try it. They did Babe in Japan and that's it.

I understand they did Babe in Japan because they were contractuallty obligated to do it. Meaning if they weren't going to play the song, then they couldn't play Japan.

That says a TON right there.

True.

But it's just insulting to your fans - and I mean the casual ones - to have 8 top 10 hits, and ignore 5 of them. 2 I'd ignore myself with this lineup (DLIE and SMTW), but rotate Babe or BOT. So on any given night, you're doing 5 of your 8. The Tommy songs are his signature - esp. Renegade - but they were not top 10 hits.

This isn't a DDY vs. JY/Tommy thing. This is a business thing. I don't care how much venom you have for DDY, play his fucking songs. Have happier audiences. Make more money.

[DerriD]

This isn't a DDY vs. JY/Tommy thing. This is a business thing. I don't care how much venom you have for DDY, play his fucking songs. Have happier audiences. Make more money.

Ah, but then Dennis would 'win'. At least from JY's perspective and all this talk about how they are a 'rock' or a 'progressive' band again would be a bunch of bunk. Even JY knows you can't scratch EVERY Dennis song and still draw anyone. Imagine to a casual fan if the setlist looked something like this.

Blue Collar Man
Miss America
One with Everything
I am the Walrus
Locomotive Breath
Fooling Yourself
Crystal Ball
Snowblind
Everything is Cool
These are the Times
Lorelei
Midnight Ride
Too Much Time on my Hands
Sing For the Day
Renegade

Now for a diehard that's not bad, and I tried to make it as strong as possible. But for the more casual fan (i.e. the majority of the audience) that's alot of bathroom break time. They could put on a heavier show, completely cut Dennis out of the equation and make diehards really happy. But they don't. And we know why. Allen you nailed it. If you're gonna do Dennis material out of monetary necessity, make the most you can and do more.

[stmonkeys]

This isn't a DDY vs. JY/Tommy thing. This is a business thing. I don't care how much venom you have for DDY, play his fucking songs. Have happier audiences. Make more money.

Ah, but then Dennis would 'win'. At least from JY's perspective and all this talk about how they are a 'rock' or a 'progressive' band again would be a bunch of bunk. Even JY knows you can't scratch EVERY Dennis song and still draw anyone. Imagine to a casual fan if the setlist looked something like this.

Blue Collar Man
Miss America
One with Everything
I am the Walrus
Locomotive Breath
Fooling Yourself
Crystal Ball
Snowblind
Everything is Cool
These are the Times
Lorelei
Midnight Ride
Too Much Time on my Hands
Sing For the Day
Renegade

Now for a diehard that's not bad, and I tried to make it as strong as possible. But for the more casual fan (i.e. the majority of the audience) that's alot of bathroom break time. They could put on a heavier show, completely cut Dennis out of the equation and make diehards really happy. But they don't. And we know why. Allen you nailed it. If you're gonna do Dennis material out of monetary necessity, make the most you can and do more.

and then you are going to have all the deyoungians up in arms that styx can't make it on their own without playing all the ddyhits. it seems to me they are "damned if you do, damned if you don't". personally, i think they are playing a pretty good mix of songs. sure i'd love to hear a few more album cuts, but atleast the band tries to apease the diehards with the cyclomedley. sure it would be nice if they rotated the set list more, but i don't think adding babe would make that much of a difference in tix sales. (maybe longer lavatory lines....)

[StyxCollector]

Ah, but then Dennis would 'win'. At least from JY's perspective and all this talk about how they are a 'rock' or a 'progressive' band again would be a bunch of bunk. Even JY knows you can't scratch EVERY Dennis song and still draw anyone.

Which is JY's ultimate problem. He's denying Styx history by being hard-headed. They were more rock/progressive in the WN years, but as most bands do (Journey, et al.), you get away from that. Writing a solid five minute song is much harder to do. Even harder to score a hit with it. If you do, freakin' embrace it. Look at Rush - they did. Didn't make their songs any worse IMHO

Blue Collar Man
Miss America
One with Everything
I am the Walrus
Locomotive Breath
Fooling Yourself
Crystal Ball
Snowblind
Everything is Cool
These are the Times
Lorelei
Midnight Ride
Too Much Time on my Hands
Sing For the Day
Renegade

Now for a diehard that's not bad, and I tried to make it as strong as possible. But for the more casual fan (i.e. the majority of the audience) that's alot of bathroom break time. They could put on a heavier show, completely cut Dennis out of the equation and make diehards really happy. But they don't. And we know why. Allen you nailed it. If you're gonna do Dennis material out of monetary necessity, make the most you can and do more.

I would actually hate that set you propose. Not all die-hards like myself want to hear no hits and all nuggets only. I enjoy the hits, but it's a balance. Here's a decent 90 - 100 minute set which I think would satisfy until they have a new album where they would throw more tunes off of it in a set (and BTW, I like EIC but I doubt you will ever hear anything from BNW again). I may change a few songs for flow, but this is off the top of my head.

-- Act I
Grand Illusion
Blue Collar Man
A Criminal Mind
Lady
One With Everything
I Am The Walrus
Fooling Yourself
Lorelei/Young Man/You Need Love/Rock & Roll Feeling (rotating)
<insert a nugget here, like "Shooz"/"Superstars"/your favorite non-hit song>
<insert new song here like "Just Be">
Come Sail Away (end Act I with a huge hit)

-- Act II - "Acoustic Set"
Boat on the River
Crystal Ball
Babe/The Best of Times (rotating)

-- Act III - "The Killer End"
Mr. Roboto (that intro is SO recognizable and would have people jumping up out of their seats)
Too Much Time On My Hands
Midnight Ride (with dueling gtrs like days of old)

Encore:
Renegade

So you don't go long without ever hearing a hit, and even the non-hits are high energy. Out of 18 tunes, 5 are DDY-penned - a good ratio and you are only adding 2 to your quotient. It's not like adding 6 DDY songs. 2/3 of your set is still non-DDY. You satisfy the casual fan with the big hits, and the die hard with some good nuggets. Is it perfect? No, but what set that is 90 minutes is?

[DerriD]

I guess I should have added that my proposed set would be a Dennis free set. That was the point. I think?

[StyxCollector]

I guess I should have added that my proposed set would be a Dennis free set. That was the point. I think?

No. You did prove the point that a DDY-free setlist would be hard to stomach though!

I take current parameters that they do some DDY songs, with my requirement of making both the casual and die-hard fan as happy as possible without compromising their "integrity" and cow-towing to DDY.

[Zan]

You put way too much into the "creep" factor for Carrie Ann. So what if he dedicated it to his daughter. There are plenty of other songs out there dealing with sons/daughters that are like that. In fact, if you want to be perverted, there is a new Dixie Chicks song on their album that they wrote to their sons that you could take the same way.

Dixie Chicks - thanks for illustrating my point further. lol

But personally, I think that unless you are looking for that kind of stuff (and I don't want to get psychologically into people's pasts), songs like Carrie Ann, they are legitimate songs to their children. To me, Carrie Ann is a legitimate song of a father speaking to a daughter. If you want to read something more sexual into it than that, then that is between you and your therapist.

You're so funny. I do admire your tenacity.

It's cute how you assume anybody is "looking" for anything and that these lyrics don't LEAP OUT at you with little or no effort on the listener's part. First of all, he says right there in the song how he knows he's not been perfect but that "lover's hearts never quite beat in time." He speaks of "touching" her. Not holding her, not looking at her - but touching her. Then he says "I'll love you faithfully," which is also something fathers don't (usually?) say to their daughters. Faithfully implies monogamy, forsaking all others. If you think this is a normal or justifiable way for fathers to speak to their daughters, that's between you and your therapist.

[Zan]

I understand they did Babe in Japan because they were contractuallty obligated to do it. Meaning if they weren't going to play the song, then they couldn't play Japan.

That says a TON right there.

It certainly doesn't say tons about Japanese tastes in music.

I also think it was only one of the four or five venues in Japan that wanted that song. I could be mistaken tho.

[shaka]

[quote="StyxCollector]Acoustic guitar absolutely has a place in rock music - I never said it didn't so I'm not sure where you're getting that. However, I wouldn't call "Fooling Yourself" a rocker. It's a good pop tune. A good acoustic behind a heavy riff can do wonders, but Styx never really used it that way. ("Heavy Water" on the album is an exception.) JY is on record hating acoustic guitars. I just think Tommy is much more comfortable behind an unplugged hunk of wood than something with a pickup and needing an amp.

The bigger issue is the current lineup of Styx keeps touting how much they rock or want to rock, yet you get "Yes I Can". So which is it? The fact that YIC even got on Cyclorama says to me who wears most of the pants in that relationship. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but for all those who hate "First Time", I think "Yes I Can" is much, much worse. The playing is fine. The harmonies are nice. The song sucks. I can make a distinction between the actual music arrangement and the song quality.

As for "Babe", it was originally just supposed to be a demo. And at that time, the Rhodes and things like the Yamaha CP70/CP80 were in vogue. It's easy to play armchair quarterback 27 years later to say, "Hey, that should have been played on a real piano." I think the Rhodes gives it a bit of character. I've openly stated Cornerstone is not my favorite, but other than "Eddie", which is the rocker on that album, where are the others? "Lights" And "Why Me"? No (but I like the songs). "Never Say Never"? Nope, not that one. "Boat On The River"? Definitely not. "Borrowed TIme"? No, but definitely one of my favorite Styx tunes. "Eddie"? Yes. "Love In the Midnight"? No.

So for a band that complained about arguably its principal songwriter going soft, there is evidence of said band being soft before that (i.e. "Sing for the Day"), and the album which had that song which supposedly was the beginning of the end didn't exactly rock hard.

I'm a fan, but I can be objective. PT definitely has a harder edge to it - no doubt about it. "Rockin' the Paradise", "Lonely People" (yes I know you're questioning it, but it has more edge as a song than most of Cornersone), "Snowblind" (which has all of the elements of Styx - the slow, the harmonies, the rock ... ), and "Half-Penny, Two Penny" (arguably the best song JY has done with Styx IMHO).

Cornerstone is and always will be to me an aberration in the 77 - 81 period.[/quote]

My point was that production had a hand in significantly upping the cheese factor of Babe. At the time Babe came out the Fender Rhodes (at least the droplet toned ones) had pretty much relegated themselves to Barry Manilow and lounge singer styles. It was a strange choice coming from the band that put out the Grand Illlusion and Pieces of Eight albums. Actually, Cornerstone in general was quite a departure although I really liked the album in general.

sorry, I screwed up my editing of your post.

[StyxCollector]

It certainly doesn't say tons about Japanese tastes in music.

I also think it was only one of the four or five venues in Japan that wanted that song. I could be mistaken tho.

I'd have to look when I get home, but it was released on boot in Japan. It's not great, let me tell you. Gowan should not be singing it

[AnnieOprah]

You put way too much into the "creep" factor for Carrie Ann. So what if he dedicated it to his daughter. There are plenty of other songs out there dealing with sons/daughters that are like that. In fact, if you want to be perverted, there is a new Dixie Chicks song on their album that they wrote to their sons that you could take the same way.

Dixie Chicks - thanks for illustrating my point further. lol

But personally, I think that unless you are looking for that kind of stuff (and I don't want to get psychologically into people's pasts), songs like Carrie Ann, they are legitimate songs to their children. To me, Carrie Ann is a legitimate song of a father speaking to a daughter. If you want to read something more sexual into it than that, then that is between you and your therapist.

You're so funny. I do admire your tenacity.

It's cute how you assume anybody is "looking" for anything and that these lyrics don't LEAP OUT at you with little or no effort on the listener's part. First of all, he says right there in the song how he knows he's not been perfect but that "lover's hearts never quite beat in time." He speaks of "touching" her. Not holding her, not looking at her - but touching her. Then he says "I'll love you faithfully," which is also something fathers don't (usually?) say to their daughters. Faithfully implies monogamy, forsaking all others. If you think this is a normal or justifiable way for fathers to speak to their daughters, that's between you and your therapist.

So what are you trying to imply here, Zan? We all know how much you HATE Dennis DeYoung, but to imply what you are implying totally crosses any kind of line. Are you saying that Dennis DeYoung is having some kind of sick fantasies toward his daughter? Your actions are pathetic...

[Ash]

So what are you trying to imply here, Zan? We all know how much you HATE Dennis DeYoung, but to imply what you are implying totally crosses any kind of line. Are you saying that Dennis DeYoung is having some kind of sick fantasies toward his daughter? Your actions are pathetic...

Jesus - don't blow shit out of proportion please. I'm the biggest Dennis fan here and I get creeped out by this song. It's just not one of Dennis' best songs. I'm sure he had good intent for this or hell perhaps he just likes the name. Zan's not saying that Dennis is into screwing his or anyone else' daughter - she's making a simple observation based on the song title, the name of his child and the content of the song.

[Zan]

So what are you trying to imply here, Zan? We all know how much you HATE Dennis DeYoung, but to imply what you are implying totally crosses any kind of line. Are you saying that Dennis DeYoung is having some kind of sick fantasies toward his daughter? Your actions are pathetic...

Jesus - don't blow shit out of proportion please. I'm the biggest Dennis fan here and I get creeped out by this song. It's just not one of Dennis' best songs. I'm sure he had good intent for this or hell perhaps he just likes the name. Zan's not saying that Dennis is into screwing his or anyone else' daughter - she's making a simple observation based on the song title, the name of his child and the content of the song.

Thanks for the intervention, Ash. What took you so long? j/k

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Most everyone I've talked to over the years feels the same way about that song. Annie's main purpose for existance is to blow things out of proportion and being deliberately indignant. I think that's pretty clear by now.

[DarrenUK]

TOP 3 AND WORST 3 BY EACH OF TOMMY DDY AND JY

TOP 3

DDY

CASTLE WALLS
SMB
QUEEN OF SPADES

TOMMY

JUST GET THROUGH THIS NIGHT
CRYSTAL BALL
ONE WITH EVERYTHING

JY

HALF PENNY TWO PENNY
THESE ARE THE TIMES
DOUBLE LIFE



WORST

DDY

ERM ERM MUSIC TIME
HIGH CRIMES
HIGH TIME

TOMMY

COLD WAR
SHE CARES
JUST FELL IN

JY

HEAVY METAL POISONING
HOMEWRECKER
CAPTAIN AMERICA

[AnnieOprah]

So what are you trying to imply here, Zan? We all know how much you HATE Dennis DeYoung, but to imply what you are implying totally crosses any kind of line. Are you saying that Dennis DeYoung is having some kind of sick fantasies toward his daughter? Your actions are pathetic...

Jesus - don't blow shit out of proportion please. I'm the biggest Dennis fan here and I get creeped out by this song. It's just not one of Dennis' best songs. I'm sure he had good intent for this or hell perhaps he just likes the name. Zan's not saying that Dennis is into screwing his or anyone else' daughter - she's making a simple observation based on the song title, the name of his child and the content of the song.

I'm not blowing things out of proportion, but this is yet another one of her not so subtle ways to ding DDY by making these thinly veiled insinuations and then backing off if she gets called on them.....

[AnnieOprah]

So what are you trying to imply here, Zan? We all know how much you HATE Dennis DeYoung, but to imply what you are implying totally crosses any kind of line. Are you saying that Dennis DeYoung is having some kind of sick fantasies toward his daughter? Your actions are pathetic...

Jesus - don't blow shit out of proportion please. I'm the biggest Dennis fan here and I get creeped out by this song. It's just not one of Dennis' best songs. I'm sure he had good intent for this or hell perhaps he just likes the name. Zan's not saying that Dennis is into screwing his or anyone else' daughter - she's making a simple observation based on the song title, the name of his child and the content of the song.

Thanks for the intervention, Ash. What took you so long? j/k

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Most everyone I've talked to over the years feels the same way about that song. Annie's main purpose for existance is to blow things out of proportion and being deliberately indignant. I think that's pretty clear by now.

No I wouldn't say thay is my main existance at all Zan. But I do like to call out all the bullshit you try to throw out there...