Replacing Augeri Mid-Tour IS NOT COOL

[McNeil]

Mr. Augeri, if you read this, not all of us wear the rose colored glasses and can read between the pasturized PR nonsense. You were wronged, and I'll look forward to buying your new release, not so much with an "everything but the kitchen sink" vocals on a new Journey album.

I'm looking forward to the new Tall Stories release as well...if that's what you're referring to.

Journey has become now what I always championed that they were not -- lame. Thanks Neal and Jon! True Class! Augeri, you now have the opportunity to fullfill what post-Perry-Journey could have become, and be confident, and emboldened by that -- speak the truth, don't sign anything that says you can't, and soldier on!

Like I said, Journey is becoming passe. A rockumentary in the line of Spinal Tap could EASILY be created about Journey. Think about it...instead of the drummer dying or exploding all the time, we would have a revolving door of lead singers moving across the stage. They sing for a while, then end up sounding like croaking frogs. Then, they move off the stage and another one takes his place. Steve Perry would be sitting in the audience and as each new vocalist lost his voice, he would simply check them off and yell "NEXT!"

Jeez Fred... haha I think you posted this before, cracked me up then, cracks me up now..I really hope someone does a sketch of this on TV! But reality tells me that Journey couldnt even get arrested any more if they tried... ho hum!!

[Red13JoePa]

yep, I know your not one of those villagers lying in wait with bags of feathers and paint cans of tar for Augeri to step out of his house, that DEMAND he answer to tapegate or forever be emblozzened w/ a scarlett letter "L" for lip.

I Know you're not one, Fred, but they're out there and Augeri's prolly amused at them.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Instead, it looks like they simply tossed him on the sidewalk and drove on.

That's why I can't respect any of them.

I can.
Neal probably wanted the guy out even earlier.
At least now he can exit under the cover of a "throat infection".
Sure beats being handed you're walking papers out of the blue.

[McNeil]

In fact, badcotunes words could have just as well come from a "repentant " Steve A !! ..your not Steve are you Badco??

That's what I was thinking Neil.

Hi Les... I just read it again, and fuck me.... if they arent the words of Steve Augeri, ill eat Steve Perry's tailcoat.

Welcome aboard "Steve" I mean, Badcotune

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sue me if take the infection news at face value

Yep, and as soon as Perry recieves therapy for his hip he will belatedly tour in support of TBF.
What a clueless dotard you are.

[nolippin]

I agree that Neal probably wanted him out earlier. The "infection" gave them all the cover that they needed.

IMO, Journey had become stuck in a rut over the last 8 years. Neal kept saying that he wanted to rock, but Augeri just couldn't pull that off the way JSS can.

I believe that Augeri's days were numbered as soon as Neal met JSS.

Instead, it looks like they simply tossed him on the sidewalk and drove on.

That's why I can't respect any of them.

I can.
Neal probably wanted the guy out even earlier.
At least now he can exit under the cover of a "throat infection".
Sure beats being handed you're walking papers out of the blue.

[Red13JoePa]

Sue me if take the infection news at face value

Yep, and as soon as Perry recieves therapy for his hip he will belatedly tour in support of TBF.
What a clueless dotard you are.

Stop, already. 2 piddly lines in TPIYH were prolly piped in. I can live with that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Stop, already. 2 piddly lines in TPIYH were prolly piped in.

If TWO mere lines were all he lipped, then he wouldn't currently be beging for nickels in Times Square.

[Red13JoePa]

Stop, already. 2 piddly lines in TPIYH were prolly piped in.

If TWO mere lines were all he lipped, then he wouldn't currently be beging for nickels in Times Square.

Full circle we come. he would be back home, if the issued statement about the infection were true.

[Badcotune]

Badcotune:

You sure as fuck have been out of the loop!

Get caught up to speed and then if you have the same opinion I'll say....okay, I see your point.

I am up to speed, thanks. And I've already posted my opinion, which is never without thought, research, and careful consideration.

[The_Noble_Cause]

he would be back home, if the issued statement about the infection were true.

Yes, or if he was forced to go live for the first time in 2.5 tours and couldn't cut the mustard!

[Carlitto H@kk]

Badcotune:

You sure as fuck have been out of the loop!

Get caught up to speed and then if you have the same opinion I'll say....okay, I see your point.

I am up to speed, thanks. And I've already posted my opinion, which is never without thought, research, and careful consideration.

At least 1 person here does that... I know I usually don't
BTW, I loved your post, even though I don't agree w/ all of it, but it was pure class and tact.
Keep posting!

[Badcotune]

Stop, already. 2 piddly lines in TPIYH were prolly piped in.

If TWO mere lines were all he lipped, then he wouldn't currently be beging for nickels in Times Square.

Why verbally attack the guy? Perhaps fufulling your dreams and then being spit out by the machine would give you some much needed objectivity, if not civilty.

[ArnelRox]

Not a day goes by on this board that we dont discuss this topic it seems. We're all angry & upset. Although many say they're over it now the band has JSS it seems there is still some healing to be done. I know I'm still upset too.

I agree with Nolippin all the way. No legal contract could of forced Augeri to use tapes. I think of something Nora said here, 2 words: artist integrity. Any artist who did what he did had to know the possible consequences. Those who think Augeri is a sacrificial lamb seem to forget that regardless of his reasons for doing it, he knew there was a chance he could get caught doing it. 1 electronic glitch. That's all it would take. 1 fan to notice too many songs sounded the same nite after nite. If u believe Augeri agreed to use tapes, u have to go to the next step w/that & realize that he knew the risks. He agreed to the risks. He knew what it would cost him if it was discovered. He knew it would be his integrity on the line more than the other band members. He couldn't of done it (used tapes) & not known about it. He heard what was coming over the PA. So he agreed. He took the risk. He lost the gamble. He knew he'd have to pay. Now he's paying. His decision. His price to pay.

Of course if u still don't believe he used tapes & u think he's coming back "someday soon" then u might want to get ur ears tested.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why verbally attack the guy?

I'm actually being quite moderate when you consider just how many thousands of fans he fleeced.
Go back to the USSR.
Fascist.

Perhaps fufulling your dreams and then being spit out by the machine would give you some much needed objectivity, if not civilty.

Don't feed me that namby pamby baloney.
He knew what he was doing and he also knew the risks.

[Badcotune]

I'm actually being quite moderate when you consider just how many thousands of fans he fleeced.
Go back to the USSR.
Fascist.

Now it's name calling. I could retort in kind, but it'd be too easy. I'll take the high road Journey didn't. The air is great up here, by the way.

I challenge you to stay on topic and make sound (no pun intended) points, instead of attacking Augeri or anyone else on the boards. Ultimately in the grand scheme of things, none of this is terribly important.

[Citygirl]

I challenge you to stay on topic and make sound (no pun intended) points, instead of attacking Augeri or anyone else on the boards. Ultimately in the grand scheme of things, none of this is terribly important.

Badcotune, I'm not saying you're Steve, but are you connected with him in some way?

Just wondered.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I could retort in kind, but it'd be too easy.

That, or perhaps you are simply incapable of coming up with a retort of equal virtiolic caliber.
Face it. You're untalented.

The air is great up here, by the way.

Where? Inside Augeri's lower intestinal track?
That is where you ass-noshing zombified stooges like to reside most, isn't it?

I challenge you to stay on topic and make sound (no pun intended) points,

Go wash out your grizzeled old ass. I have been making articulate and cogent posts on here for years.

instead of attacking Augeri or anyone else on the boards.

I'll discuss whatever I damn well please.
If you choose to continue carrying water for a proven thief that is your perogative.

[perryfaithful]

the whole band sold out the fans.

Right on

[fred_journeyman]

I challenge you to stay on topic and make sound (no pun intended) points, instead of attacking Augeri or anyone else on the boards. Ultimately in the grand scheme of things, none of this is terribly important.

You're going to challenge this motley group (myself included) to stay on topic? Uh...okay. Good freakin' luck!

I agree with your last statement though. In the grand scheme of things, NONE of it is important and I guarantee that when we all stand in front of the Pearly Gates, the question that we will NOT have to answer is: "So, what was your take on this Journey debacle?"

[fred_journeyman]

I could retort in kind, but it'd be too easy.

That, or perhaps you are simply incapable of coming up with a retort of equal virtiolic caliber.
Face it. You're untalented.

The air is great up here, by the way.

Where? Inside Augeri's lower intestinal track?
That is where you ass-noshing zombified stooges like to reside most, isn't it?

I challenge you to stay on topic and make sound (no pun intended) points,

Go wash out your grizzeled old ass. I have been making articulate and cogent posts on here for years.

instead of attacking Augeri or anyone else on the boards.

I'll discuss whatever I damn well please.
If you choose to continue carrying water for a proven thief that is your perogative.

Thank you, Noble. This was great for a few laughs! Sometimes the best points are made with pointed sarcasm and vulgarity. I have just realized that since yesterday, so from now on I will post and respond in kind. It's what folks here understand and besides...it's what's for lunch!

I think Andrew should put up a disclaimer on the Journey forum:

"Enter if you dare, but do so at your own risk. If you are weak of heart, suffer from high blood pressure, nervous tics, turrets, or any other medical or psychiatric malady, then this forum simply might not be for you. To those who enjoy multiple personalities, a penchant for cutting and/or vulgar remarks and a desire to simply argue to death things that have no real merit compared with the overall quality and quantity of life in general...please park your asses in front of your computer and feel free to VENT! There is virtually no moderation on this site to speak of, so please ENJOY!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think Andrew should put up a disclaimer on the Journey forum:

"Enter if you dare, but do so at your own risk. If you are weak of heart, suffer from high blood pressure, nervous tics, turrets, or any other medical or psychiatric malady, then this forum simply might not be for you. To those who enjoy multiple personalities, a penchant for cutting and/or vulgar remarks and a desire to simply argue to death things that have no real merit compared with the overall quality and quantity of life in general...please park your asses in front of your computer and feel free to VENT! There is virtually no moderation on this site to speak of, so please ENJOY!

Sounds good to me. I believe Andrew already has a disclaimer in the Noticeboard that says he can't be held responsible for the posters sanity.

[fred_journeyman]

I am up to speed, thanks. And I've already posted my opinion, which is never without thought, research, and careful consideration.

You're fun, Badcotune...in a weird so of way.

I say we take bets on when Batcotune goes ballistic or just stops posting...or takes on a different identity altogether. What am I bid? I've got $20 on the table...

[Citygirl]

Once again, call me an eejit.

But I feel bad for the guy whatever went on.

[bionic]

Hello Les belive me it happened! My friend told me a week before Jeff took over that he was in and he was correct. He also told me some time before i had evan heard of Deano of the tapes used,he also spoke to one of the promoters of Sweden Rock who said 'If we had known they were going to use tapes we would not have booked them'!!! My friend is a Journey fan and has no reason to lie to me,i dont want ot belive it either.Did you also know that Jon's vocals are on tape for Anytime/Feeling that Way so they sync up for him and Steve live?
I accept you may not want to belive and thats cool,if this was all rubbish why did Andrew contact the band for a statement?
So at this point the band must have been aware that people were asking questions,then they went live and Augeri crashed

My point was that even if it is right enough, he could have done a lot worse. I'm not saying it was right if it did happen, but like I said... we'll probably never know the full story.

I bet there's a lot more to it than anyone other than the guys will ever know.

Thats for sure

[jrnyman28]

Replacing Augeri mid tour was the only option if the band wanted to stay on the road.

Why else would they want to stay on the road except MONEY!

Had they continued under the cloud of accusations their reputations would have been damaged beyond repair, imo.

It's close already. Look at how many die-hard fans are upset over what has happened to this once great band.

I'm happy to see my favorite band doing it right with a singer that can do the job the way it should be done- live.

But at what cost? Maybe this is the best decision for the band in the long wrong. But it was handled poorly during this tour.

I'm thankful Jeff was available to keep the tour going, and quite honestly the energy I've seen from the guys on stage and their demeanor off stage is refreshing.... not the same old same same old. Jeff breaths new life into the classics and does so very well.

Journey is certainly benefitting from JSS' involvement. Once the decision was made to continue touring with JSS, he was the right decision. But I think it was a greedy, selfish, political decision which SUX for Steve.

Remember- this is a business, bottom line, not auditions for humanitarian of the year.

But that doesn't mean you cannot act with integrity and honesty. It was definately a political/business decision.

[jrnyman28]

I predict he will adress the fans if/when he's officially replaced by JSS but for those torch and pitchfork wielders: please hold your breath, because it's not going to mention/dignify tapegate at all.

I agree.

[joybringer1]

I still say there was no miming going on in Edinburgh.

But my words on the subject are: Journey is a joke.

I was there too (row J) and I think I heard a taped performance. Don't want to get into a debate about it, just to show how different people can view the same experience in totally different ways.

[Lula]

I still say there was no miming going on in Edinburgh.

But my words on the subject are: Journey is a joke.

I was there too (row J) and I think I heard a taped performance. Don't want to get into a debate about it, just to show how different people can view the same experience in totally different ways.

Boy, ain't that the truth

[Abitaman]

All the Tape-Gate and who's in/who's out speculations aside, has anyone ever considered that...

Maybe Augeri was ready to step-down, for whatever reason he might have, and this turned out to be the perfect opportunity???

....

I had thought the same thing, he does seem to be a family man, who knows. So is he faking voice problems? or does he really have it and did use for a way out. Cause I sure don't believe the TGC (tape gate Crap)-ERIC