Marysville 8-27-06

by **Aaron** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:50 am

Clasicrockldy,

We both know what changes I'm referring too. Come on now.

L8r,

Aaron

Clasicrockldy wrote:And what changes would that be Aaron?

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:53 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
brywool wrote:Hey, been gone a few weeks, what I miss?

McNeil wrote: feel hes "reaching" a bit here n there..... and Im convinced his voice will be knackered after a couple years of this...totally convinced!!

Yup. Still reaching on "Stone in Love". He's a bit flat because of it. Same with "Ask the Lonely". However, IF he takes care of himself, maybe he can gain a note in his range by singing higher songs like this and learning to sing the higher stuff correctly.

I would really like to hear a professional "boot" on some of these tunes. In the boots we're hearing, even the band sounds out of whack.

Are you serious? They sound like they have gotten a renewal on life. Sound energized.

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:55 am

Jeremey wrote:
Clasicrockldy wrote:Deen sings "Who's Cryin' Now, "Open Arms" and "Faithfully". JSS sings the rest of them !

No, what I meant was it seemed in places like they were trading off on some parts. Like on Ask The Lonely, at 3:30, Jeff has a real Chris Cornell thing going on with the "When you're down in deep dispair, when you're down in deep dispair," then it sounds like a totally different voice singing "Ask tha lone lone lone lone lone lonely," etc, so I just thought it might be Deen, cause it sounded very clear compared to the other parts. Got the same impression during "Don't Stop Believin'," at the end the "Hold onto that feelayaan" at 3:54-3:58 sounded like a different vocal (Deen) than the rest of the tune. I could be completely wrong, that's what it sounded like to me...

Absolutely. Definitely a trade off....But it sounds good. It's a bit different than Deen purely saving a dying Fraudgeris ass....

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:56 am

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
Eric wrote:Deano was right....Cain has no fucking business playing a 2 minute solo when its a short and rocking set. He gets Open Arms and thats it....

Easy.....There is a reason Cain plays a solo or two......

and........................

When JSS needs a bit of a vocal rest, Cain will do an extra solo, or Neal will do one....and they e might axe Only the Young.

Pretty smart, eh?

by **Clasicrockldy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:57 am

Aaron,

Spill it ! I don't like it when I ask a straight question, and I don't get a straight answer.

by **Liam** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:59 am

Rockn'deano wrote:
LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
Eric wrote:Deano was right....Cain has no fucking business playing a 2 minute solo when its a short and rocking set. He gets Open Arms and thats it....

Easy.....There is a reason Cain plays a solo or two......

and........................

Straight from the horses mouth....

When I need a bit of a vocal rest, Cain will do an extra solo, or Neal will do one....and we might axe Only the Young.

Pretty smart, eh?

Smart move BUT...
Instead of Cain's solo...Play a shortned version of "Into Your Arms" or something.

by **Clasicrockldy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:00 pm

Or why not Deen and Ross do a short solo each?

by **RossValoryRocks** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:00 pm

Escape79 wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
Eric wrote:Deano was right....Cain has no fucking business playing a 2 minute solo when its a short and rocking set. He gets Open Arms and thats it....

Easy.....There is a reason Cain plays a solo or two......

and........................

Straight from the horses mouth....

When I need a bit of a vocal rest, Cain will do an extra solo, or Neal will do one....and we might axe Only the Young.

Pretty smart, eh?

Smart move BUT...
Instead of Cain's solo...Play a shortned version of "Into Your Arms" or something.

Oooohhh...that's a great song...a VERY Good idea...

by **Aaron** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:02 pm

Damn woman, is obvious isn't it? I think so ... but to spell it out for you, they need to get a different singer that can cover the old material and sound like Journey. I'm not looking for Perry clone but damn, they need to convey the same vib and they don't now. Is that straight enough or do I need to start using all caps? :wink:

L8r,

Aaron

Clasicrockldy wrote:Aaron,

Spill it ! I don't like it when I ask a straight question, and I don't get a straight answer.

by **RossValoryRocks** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:05 pm

Aaron wrote:Damn woman, is obvious isn't it? I think so ... but to spell it out for you, they need to get a different singer that can cover the old material and sound like Journey. I'm not looking for Perry clone but damn, they need to convey the same vib and they don't now. Is that straight enough or do I need to start using all caps?

L8r,

Aaron

Clasicrockldy wrote:Aaron,

Spill it ! I don't like it when I ask a straight question, and I don't get a straight answer.

Dude are your ears shot? JSS does a VERY VERY good job covering the songs. He doesn't have to sound like Perry to pull it off...of you want a tribute band then by all means go see Evolution or Infinity or any of them. Journey is doing just fine with JSS. He has changed the dynamic and we can expect great things from them.

by **Deb** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:12 pm

jrnyjunky wrote:FINALLY!!!

I like the way Deen sounds on this, a little hoarse, but it's sexy! And backing up Jeff, they sound great together.

Agreed.

IMO.....JSS has the power and Deen has the range.........put them together and ya got pretty close to a Perry. :wink:

I like their vocals when they sing together. Somebody else mentioned on here about a duet or trading off with those two.......like Just the Same Way or something, that I'd love to hear. One more thing after listening........finally.......JSS has added the SEXY back into Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin! Been missing for a long time! Anybody got footage of it?

by **Clasicrockldy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:13 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Aaron wrote:Damn woman, is obvious isn't it? I think so ... but to spell it out for you, they need to get a different singer that can cover the old material and sound like Journey. I'm not looking for Perry clone but damn, they need to convey the same vib and they don't now. Is that straight enough or do I need to start using all caps?

L8r,

Aaron

Clasicrockldy wrote:Aaron,

Spill it ! I don't like it when I ask a straight question, and I don't get a straight answer.

Dude are your ears shot? JSS does a VERY VERY good job covering the songs. He doesn't have to sound like Perry to pull it off...of you want a tribute band then by all means go see Evolution or Infinity or any of them. Journey is doing just fine with JSS. He has changed the dynamic and we can expect great things from them.

Amen ! I am a fan of the Perry era, and JSS does justice to the songs ! I know I am going to possibly get people mad at me for this, but more so that Augeri did. And they don't convey the same vibe now? Yikes Aaron, you are not getting it. JSS brings a new vibe to the whole thing. We all are at least 20 years or more older now, and to have it just the way Perry did it isn't going to work. Journey sounds more like Journey to me now as they did back when Perry was there. But if you don't want any part of what is happening now in Journey, that is your perogative, but I believe you will be missing out on some hellacious music !

by **Aaron** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:17 pm

Dude, my ears are still in pretty good shape. I'm not with you on JSS's ability to cover Journey. But hey, different opinions make the world go around right? We'll see how well Journey does going forward. I don't expect great things from them but I could be wrong.

I've asked the question before to Deano and didn't get an answer so I'll ask you. Why do you think Journey will now be this kick ass new band now when Soul SirkUS didn't do shit? I don't see Cain or Valory having enough influence on the band to make it much different. Lets face it, take Soul SirkUS, pull out Marco, plug in Cain and Valory and poof ... we have Journey. I don't see any difference here.

I look at it like this, it's like going to Fazoli's for Italian. If I can cook better at the house than I can buy in town, I'll stay home and cook. I don't see Journey any different than Fazoli's. But again, its just my opinion.

L8r dude,

Aaron

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Aaron wrote:Damn woman, is obvious isn't it? I think so ... but to spell it out for you, they need to get a different singer that can cover the old material and sound like Journey. I'm not looking for Perry clone but damn, they need to convey the same vib and they don't now. Is that straight enough or do I need to start using all caps?

L8r,

Aaron

Clasicrockldy wrote:Aaron,

Spill it ! I don't like it when I ask a straight question, and I don't get a straight answer.

Dude are your ears shot? JSS does a VERY VERY good job covering the songs. He doesn't have to sound like Perry to pull it off...of you want a tribute band then by all means go see Evolution or Infinity or any of them. Journey is doing just fine with JSS. He has changed the dynamic and we can expect great things from them.

by **RossValoryRocks** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:38 pm

Aaron wrote:Dude, my ears are still in pretty good shape. I'm not with you on JSS's ability to cover Journey. But hey, different opinions make the world go around right? We'll see how well Journey does going forward. I don't expect great things from them but I could be wrong.

I've asked the question before to Deano and didn't get an answer so I'll ask you. Why do you think Journey will now be this kick ass new band now when Soul SirkUS didn't do shit? I don't see Cain or Valory having enough influence on the band to make it much different. Lets face it, take Soul SirkUS, pull out Marco, plug in Cain and Valory and poof ... we have Journey. I don't see any difference here.

I look at it like this, it like going to Fazoli's for Italian. If I can cook better at the house than I can buy in town, I'll stay home and cook. I don't see Journey any different than Fazoli's. But again, its just my opinion.

L8r dude,

Aaron

I think Jeff brings good things to Journey...I don't see Journey getting as heavy as SS ever...Jeff respects the legacy and sound of Journey too much...remember he is a fan too! I think the new dynamic will be very cool.

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:38 pm

Aaron wrote:
I've asked the question before to Deano and didn't get an answer so I'll ask you. Why do you think Journey will now be this kick ass new band now when Soul SirkUS didn't do shit?

SoulSirkus was NOT allowed to succeed. Yep, that's right. Good ol shit in your pants Azoff restricted SS in favour of letting Journey maintain status.......Stupid fucker.

JSS and Neal obviously have that writing magic, that chemistry. Can't you hear it in this boot? Augeri Journey NEVER sounded this fired up..NEVER. Augeri couldn't write for dick, and he proved he couldn't sing for cock either.

I don't see Cain or Valory having enough influence on the band to make it much different. Lets face it, take Soul SirkUS, pull out Marco, plug in Cain and Valory and poof ... we have Journey. I don't see any difference here.

Valory plays bass dude...Bass players don't influence bands, except Rush. Cain is re-charged. He was all pissy about 2 months ago, and now he sees another 10 years for his once dying band.

by **Aaron** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:43 pm

RVR,

I understand and respect where you're coming from. I think JSS is a cool mo fo, he has great moves on stage and has great energy live. I hope folks haven't taken my comments as bags against JSS because that is not the case. I love the fact he's a Journey fan like the rest of us. The bottom line, to me, he sounds nothing like Journey. In my head, those soring vocals are what give Journey their signature sound and they've lost it now.

Have a good evening bro,

Aaron

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Aaron wrote:Dude, my ears are still in pretty good shape. I'm not with you on JSS's ability to cover Journey. But hey, different opinions make the world go around right? We'll see how well Journey does going forward. I don't expect great things from them but I could be wrong.

I've asked the question before to Deano and didn't get an answer so I'll ask you. Why do you think Journey will now be this kick ass new band now when Soul SirkUS didn't do shit? I don't see Cain or Valory having enough influence on the band to make it much different. Lets face it, take Soul SirkUS, pull out Marco, plug in Cain and Valory and poof ... we have Journey. I don't see any difference here.

I look at it like this, it like going to Fazoli's for Italian. If I can cook better at the house than I can buy in town, I'll stay home and cook. I don't see Journey any different than Fazoli's. But again, its just my opinion.

L8r dude,

Aaron

I think Jeff brings good things to Journey...I don't see Journey getting as heavy as SS ever...Jeff respects the legacy and sound of Journey too much...remember he is a fan too! I think the new dynamic will be very cool.

by **Clasicrockldy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:49 pm

Aaron...........

Damn it man........... it is 20+ years later ! The soaring vocals from yesteryear will remain in our memories, but don't expect them now ! Things change ! Shit................. I feel my temper getting the best of me............. :evil:

by **Aaron** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:04 pm

Clasicrockldy,

Clam down now ... clam down. Here's a grapefruit and vodka going your way to chill you out. :wink:

Don't get all wound up on me now. Differences of opinion are what make the world go around. Being able to discuss issues close to our hearts can be difficult but its fun too.

I have no issue with change but I expect to say "Holy fuck, those vocals kick ass" when I hear Journey and I can't say that now. It just doesn't float my boat. Listening to that boot was like listening to Trial by Fire for the first time ... it pissed me off! Now I'm getting wound up, damn it.

Chill out and have a good evening,

Aaron

Clasicrockldy wrote:Aaron...........

Damn it man........... it is 20+ years later ! The soaring vocals from yesteryear will remain in our memories, but don't expect them now ! Things change ! Shit................. I feel my temper getting the best of me.............

by **yulog** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:07 pm

Sorry probably get shit on here but this doesnt sound better than the early boots i will say that hearing JSS sing these songs really shows how good Augeri was when he sang these and it really seperates Perry on another level-----i had to shut off most of these songs they sound horrible to me--i do think JSS does do well with dead or alive and chain reaction, and actually not bad with escape but these dont require him to test his range as much as the others i think his voice fits okay on them --but still think Augeri sounded better on any of these songs, i found myself wanting to here more Deen and i dont see wanting to pay to see this band when only 3 songs would be okay and the rest would be just annoying at best

by **JrnySuxBalls** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:09 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:SoulSirkus was NOT allowed to succeed. Yep, that's right. Good ol shit in your pants Azoff restricted SS in favour of letting Journey maintain status.......Stupid fucker.

Yup. I surely hope Azoff is outta there soon. :evil:

by **Clasicrockldy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:12 pm

So, Aaron......... are you saying that Augeri floated your boat?

And btw......... I don't drink. I gave that up.

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:16 pm

Okay a question. JSS, feel free to jump in here and answer you fucking bus riding sonofabitch. Quit yanking JNeal off while watching Oregons' Wet and Wild Teens.

I want to know is singing Backup on SW. That ain't Deen, not by himself. There is a voice I don't recognize..Too good for Friga, Valory or Schon.....Who is it, JSS?

by **Marabelle** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:18 pm

And I say Thank God the man does not sound like Perry! He's who he is. And not some watered down version of Espee.

by **JSS** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:21 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
Clasicrockldy wrote:Deen sings "Who's Cryin' Now, "Open Arms" and "Faithfully". JSS sings the rest of them !

No, what I meant was it seemed in places like they were trading off on some parts. Like on Ask The Lonely, at 3:30, Jeff has a real Chris Cornell thing going on with the "When you're down in deep dispair, when you're down in deep dispair," then it sounds like a totally different voice singing "Ask tha lone lone lone lone lone lonely," etc, so I just thought it might be Deen, cause it sounded very clear compared to the other parts. Got the same impression during "Don't Stop Believin'," at the end the "Hold onto that feelayaan" at 3:54-3:58 sounded like a different vocal (Deen) than the rest of the tune. I could be completely wrong, that's what it sounded like to me...

Absolutely. Definitely a trade off....But it sounds good. It's a bit different than Deen purely saving a dying Fraudgeris ass....

EHHHH (sound of buzzer on Family Feud)....wrong!

No trade offs, Deen sings his tunes, I sing mine, I'll let you know when you're right though

Damn, why are the shit boots out there, why couldn't have someone put one of Irvine, Vegas or even Mt. View? Sacramento was a 3rd in a row for us, not as confident as previous nights, u know!

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I'm out, gotta get my ugly sleep...far too late for beauty sleep!

by **Clasicrockldy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:22 pm

Jeff ..... I like the Sac boot ! It brings back some good memories for me ! And damn, I enjoyed the show !

by **Liam** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:23 pm

JSS wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
Clasicrockldy wrote:Deen sings "Who's Cryin' Now, "Open Arms" and "Faithfully". JSS sings the rest of them !

No, what I meant was it seemed in places like they were trading off on some parts. Like on Ask The Lonely, at 3:30, Jeff has a real Chris Cornell thing going on with the "When you're down in deep dispair, when you're down in deep dispair," then it sounds like a totally different voice singing "Ask tha lone lone lone lone lone lonely," etc, so I just thought it might be Deen, cause it sounded very clear compared to the other parts. Got the same impression during "Don't Stop Believin'," at the end the "Hold onto that feelayaan" at 3:54-3:58 sounded like a different vocal (Deen) than the rest of the tune. I could be completely wrong, that's what it sounded like to me...

Absolutely. Definitely a trade off....But it sounds good. It's a bit different than Deen purely saving a dying Fraudgeris ass....

EHHHH (sound of buzzer on Family Feud)....wrong!

No trade offs, Deen sings his tunes, I sing mine, I'll let you know when you're right though

Damn, why are the shit boots out there, why couldn't have someone put one of Irvine, Vegas or even Mt. View? Sacramento was a 3rd in a row for us, not as confident as previous nights, u know!

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I'm out, gotta get my ugly sleep...far too late for beauty sleep!

Well get me a video boot of Houston then. :lol:

j/k man.

by **fred_journeyman** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:24 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:Are you serious? They sound like they have gotten a renewal on life. Sound energized.

Yes, I'm serious. I'm referring to the QUALITY of the boot! I shouldn't have to spell everything out. The boot is NOT that great. Did you not read my entire message, Dean? If it was a pro boot, I'm sure the band would sound better, because with that particular boot, I don't think it provided an accurate reflection of what the band ACTUALLY sounded like in concert.

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:26 pm

fred_journeyman wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:Are you serious? They sound like they have gotten a renewal on life. Sound energized.

Yes, I'm serious. I'm referring to the QUALITY of the boot! I shouldn't have to spell everything out. The boot is NOT that great. Did you not read my entire message, Dean? If it was a pro boot, I'm sure the band would sound better, because with that particular boot, I don't think it provided an accurate reflection of what the band ACTUALLY sounded like in concert.

Freddy, I love you man, but a raw boot, WITHOUT pro tools is EXACTLY what the band soundedlike. This is an audience boot!

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:28 pm

JSS wrote:
Damn, why are the shit boots out there, why couldn't have someone put one of Irvine, Vegas or even Mt. View? Sacramento was a 3rd in a row for us, not as confident as previous nights, u know!

Be careful Jeffie....If the red state retards, er, Back Talkers see you said "shit" they may disapprove of you. I mean come on, they don't like your holy jeans! Now, be a fuckin gentleman!

by **Clasicrockldy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:35 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:
JSS wrote:
Damn, why are the shit boots out there, why couldn't have someone put one of Irvine, Vegas or even Mt. View? Sacramento was a 3rd in a row for us, not as confident as previous nights, u know!

Be careful Jeffie....If the red state retards, er, Back Talkers see you said "shit" they may disapprove of you. I mean come on, they don't like your holy jeans! Now, be a fuckin gentleman!

Deano, give Jeff a break ! You have seen how Neal talks in interviews.......... He isn't an angel ! :lol:

I wonder how they take that over there..........

MR

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