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Postby Clasicrockldy » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:30 am

Shadowsong wrote:
Clasicrockldy wrote:
Shadowsong wrote:
Shania wrote:
jrnyjunky wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:
Layla wrote:Congrats, Shania - I've ordered this book and I'll be buying any or all Journey books as soon as they're published...no matter who writes them! :)


Cool. That means I will have at least one sale.


Hey Deano, if you write this book, I have a boatload of stories for you.

I saw Journey 5 times from 78-83, and I have a really funny story from 1976.

*cough-cough*...umm,I don't think he could use this idea.It's already copyrighted. :lol:


Hmmmmm

Something caught in your throat.

:lol:

Oooops...talk about a bummer!
It would appear they unknowingly gave up rights to their most heartfelt treasured Steve Perry memories to this book.

Sorry JnyJunky, Wasn't this little detail ever mentioned?


Shadowsong,

I knew up front that Shania was writing a book about Steve when she contacted me to contribute a concert memory for the book! Everyone she contacted knew this. So don't go around saying that we didn't know what she was up to, or unknowingly gave up our rights. That was very wrong of you to say that. Now, get off this trip and apologize to Shania. You have been giving her shit over our contributions. Now stop it. :evil:


I already apologized to her.
I am glad to know you were told that the book was about Steve Perry.
I was told it was a rock n roll book.

:roll:


Ok Shadow! I am sorry that I came down hard on you about this. I understand now that you have apologized to Shania. :D
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Postby *Laura » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:32 am

Shadowsong wrote:I just am interested in clarification of a statement.
Even though I was asked to be part of of this "chapter" rights was never discussed...so I am curious.

I don't see why should I give you any explanations as long as you are not a part of this project anymore.
We have exchanged 2 emails,and your second one ended the story right there and then.

We never got to any extended discussions.

Give up.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:35 am

If you don't mind, I'll weigh in on this topic. I published a magazine for 12 years, so I know a little bit about copyright and copyright infringement.

As far as someone relating a story that is published, the person who told the story STILL retains the rights to that story. They can write about it, tell it to others and whatever, without infringing upon Shania's copyrighted material. What they can NOT do without Shania's permission is reprint part of her book, even if they are reprinting the part that contains THEIR story.

The people who talked to Shania, or shared stories with her did NOT give up their rights to that story, by allowing her to print it in her book. Shania does NOT own that story. She owns the copyright to her BOOK and even though her book contains a STORY, it is obvious (or should be) that the story was RELATED to her from someone else. In short, she was simply given PERMISSION by the storyteller to share their story, not OWN it.

For instance, let's say someone wrote a book about 9/11 and let's say I was part of what happened during 9/11. Someone interviews me and I give my side of the story and they print it. Great. I can STILL go out and write my own book, using that same story in my book without infringing on the other person's printed work. If I want to, I can allude to the other person's work, but I am not obligated to do so. I would probably alter the story a bit here and there, but I do not even really have to do that.

Just because someone wrote about something that I told them may have happened to me, and I allowed them to use that material in their printed work, it does not EXEMPT me from being able to tell it to someone else, or write about it.

In the case of a printed article, for instance, when I have printed articles in the past, Modeler's Resource® always owned the rights to those articles, except in the few cases where we allowed the author to retain the rights and indicated that in the article. However, if the author wanted to, they could reprint that exact same article, using different pictures and altering the text slightly and publishing it someplace else, and they would be fine.

Copyright infringement is an interesting thing. You cannot copyright titles or ideas (which is why many books, songs and movies have the exact same title with completely different story lines) and there is a good amount of leeway when relating stories as well. I'm getting ready to produce a trailer for my screenplay "End of the Trail." That title has been used at least two or three times in the past, however I'm fine. You canNOT use a proper name if it is already being used by another entity. The rock group Chicago found this out when they released their first album with their name - Chicago Transit Authority. They were prompty sued by the real Chicago Transit Authority and quickly changed the name of the band to simply Chicago.

In a related situation, as much as Donald Trump would like to, he would have an extremely difficult time trademarking the phrase "You're Fired!" and even more of a difficult time enforcing it IF he WAS able to get it trademarked.

Each of you could publish your own book on Steve Perry or Journey and relate in first person your own particular stories of your own particular concert experiences, even though you may have shared those stories with Shania.
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:37 am

.......and in comes Fred with a massive post...sorry Fred, I just had to get that in :lol:
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Postby fred_journeyman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:38 am

Yes, it was massive, wasn't it? No one reads them anyway, so I just let my fingers float over the keys until they get tired, then I stop and click the "submit" button... :D
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:40 am

fred_journeyman wrote:Yes, it was massive, wasn't it? No one reads them anyway, so I just let my fingers float over the keys until they get tired, then I stop and click the "submit" button... :D


I read them....takes me an hour but I do read them :wink: You use big complicated words, that's what slows me down :cry:
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Postby fred_journeyman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:43 am

styxman wrote:I read them....takes me an hour but I do read them :wink: You use big complicated words, that's what slows me down :cry:


You should talk to my lawyer sometimes... :D
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:47 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
styxman wrote:I read them....takes me an hour but I do read them :wink: You use big complicated words, that's what slows me down :cry:


You should talk to my lawyer sometimes... :D


I'll need one of them when I write my book on SA....mind you they'll only have to scan through 3 or 4 pages tops :lol:
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Postby Clasicrockldy » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:47 am

fred_journeyman wrote:If you don't mind, I'll weigh in on this topic. I published a magazine for 12 years, so I know a little bit about copyright and copyright infringement.

As far as someone relating a story that is published, the person who told the story STILL retains the rights to that story. They can write about it, tell it to others and whatever, without infringing upon Shania's copyrighted material. What they can NOT do without Shania's permission is reprint part of her book, even if they are reprinting the part that contains THEIR story.

The people who talked to Shania, or shared stories with her did NOT give up their rights to that story, by allowing her to print it in her book. Shania does NOT own that story. She owns the copyright to her BOOK and even though her book contains a STORY, it is obvious (or should be) that the story was RELATED to her from someone else. In short, she was simply given PERMISSION by the storyteller to share their story, not OWN it.

For instance, let's say someone wrote a book about 9/11 and let's say I was part of what happened during 9/11. Someone interviews me and I give my side of the story and they print it. Great. I can STILL go out and write my own book, using that same story in my book without infringing on the other person's printed work. If I want to, I can allude to the other person's work, but I am not obligated to do so. I would probably alter the story a bit here and there, but I do not even really have to do that.

Just because someone wrote about something that I told them may have happened to me, and I allowed them to use that material in their printed work, it does not EXEMPT me from being able to tell it to someone else, or write about it.

In the case of a printed article, for instance, when I have printed articles in the past, Modeler's Resource® always owned the rights to those articles, except in the few cases where we allowed the author to retain the rights and indicated that in the article. However, if the author wanted to, they could reprint that exact same article, using different pictures and altering the text slightly and publishing it someplace else, and they would be fine.

Copyright infringement is an interesting thing. You cannot copyright titles or ideas (which is why many books, songs and movies have the exact same title with completely different story lines) and there is a good amount of leeway when relating stories as well. I'm getting ready to produce a trailer for my screenplay "End of the Trail." That title has been used at least two or three times in the past, however I'm fine. You canNOT use a proper name if it is already being used by another entity. The rock group Chicago found this out when they released their first album with their name - Chicago Transit Authority. They were prompty sued by the real Chicago Transit Authority and quickly changed the name of the band to simply Chicago.

In a related situation, as much as Donald Trump would like to, he would have an extremely difficult time trademarking the phrase "You're Fired!" and even more of a difficult time enforcing it IF he WAS able to get it trademarked.

Each of you could publish your own book on Steve Perry or Journey and relate in first person your own particular stories of your own particular concert experiences, even though you may have shared those stories with Shania.


Thanks Fred ! Very eloquently written ! :D
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Postby Shadowsong » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:54 am

fred_journeyman wrote:If you don't mind, I'll weigh in on this topic. I published a magazine for 12 years, so I know a little bit about copyright and copyright infringement.

As far as someone relating a story that is published, the person who told the story STILL retains the rights to that story. They can write about it, tell it to others and whatever, without infringing upon Shania's copyrighted material. What they can NOT do without Shania's permission is reprint part of her book, even if they are reprinting the part that contains THEIR story.

The people who talked to Shania, or shared stories with her did NOT give up their rights to that story, by allowing her to print it in her book. Shania does NOT own that story. She owns the copyright to her BOOK and even though her book contains a STORY, it is obvious (or should be) that the story was RELATED to her from someone else. In short, she was simply given PERMISSION by the storyteller to share their story, not OWN it.

For instance, let's say someone wrote a book about 9/11 and let's say I was part of what happened during 9/11. Someone interviews me and I give my side of the story and they print it. Great. I can STILL go out and write my own book, using that same story in my book without infringing on the other person's printed work. If I want to, I can allude to the other person's work, but I am not obligated to do so. I would probably alter the story a bit here and there, but I do not even really have to do that.

Just because someone wrote about something that I told them may have happened to me, and I allowed them to use that material in their printed work, it does not EXEMPT me from being able to tell it to someone else, or write about it.

In the case of a printed article, for instance, when I have printed articles in the past, Modeler's Resource® always owned the rights to those articles, except in the few cases where we allowed the author to retain the rights and indicated that in the article. However, if the author wanted to, they could reprint that exact same article, using different pictures and altering the text slightly and publishing it someplace else, and they would be fine.

Copyright infringement is an interesting thing. You cannot copyright titles or ideas (which is why many books, songs and movies have the exact same title with completely different story lines) and there is a good amount of leeway when relating stories as well. I'm getting ready to produce a trailer for my screenplay "End of the Trail." That title has been used at least two or three times in the past, however I'm fine. You canNOT use a proper name if it is already being used by another entity. The rock group Chicago found this out when they released their first album with their name - Chicago Transit Authority. They were prompty sued by the real Chicago Transit Authority and quickly changed the name of the band to simply Chicago.

In a related situation, as much as Donald Trump would like to, he would have an extremely difficult time trademarking the phrase "You're Fired!" and even more of a difficult time enforcing it IF he WAS able to get it trademarked.

Each of you could publish your own book on Steve Perry or Journey and relate in first person your own particular stories of your own particular concert experiences, even though you may have shared those stories with Shania.


Thanks Fred,
It am happy to hear that for all involved.
I just wanted clarification on why JrnyJunky was not able to discuss her ideas for Deano's book.

Thanks Fred, that makes me feel a better about the situation.

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Postby yulog » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:55 am

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easy ladies im sure it will all get worked out
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:59 am

Yul....you want some help with learning how to post words :lol: I know the alphabet, Shadow knows how to spell Budgie, Fred knows every word in the dictionary and Shania can write great books...it won't take long...give it a try :lol: :lol:
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Postby fred_journeyman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:59 am

yulog wrote:ImageImage

easy ladies im sure it will all get worked out


Hey, if not, there are always lawyers... :D
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:00 am

yulog wrote:ImageImage

easy ladies im sure it will all get worked out


You edited that and spoilt my joke dude :cry:
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Postby heardonthestreet » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:00 am

Very interesting, Fred.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:03 am

styxman wrote:
yulog wrote:ImageImage

easy ladies im sure it will all get worked out


You edited that and spoilt my joke dude :cry:


lol!

sorry but that was funny. }:C))
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Postby yulog » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:05 am

man you guys write fast
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:09 am

You did it again dude...you got a sentence out in 3 mins. I'm proud and pleased for you at the same time :lol:
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Postby A Fire Inside » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:31 am

fred_journeyman wrote:Yes, it was massive, wasn't it? No one reads them anyway, so I just let my fingers float over the keys until they get tired, then I stop and click the "submit" button... :D

Good strategy, no one can argue if it's TL;DR :lol:
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Postby yulog » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:44 am

styxman wrote "You did it again dude...you got a sentence out in 3 mins. I'm proud and pleased for you at the same time"--------stop making fun of me im already CRAZY
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Postby yulog » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:46 am

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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:49 am

yulog wrote:[img]http://smilies.sofrayt.com/^/aiw/laugh.gif[/img]


That's better no words.....maestro :lol: You and those little things, make me laugh :lol:
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Postby treetopovskaya » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:55 am

omg you guys are crazy. heh. }:C)
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Postby junky » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:55 am

Shadowsong wrote:Thanks Fred,
It am happy to hear that for all involved.
I just wanted clarification on why JrnyJunky was not able to discuss her ideas for Deano's book.

Thanks Fred, that makes me feel a better about the situation.

:lol:


I'm free to discuss stories for Deano's book, if he wanted to go that route.

I assumed Shania was joking (she did put a winky at the end). Being a writer and a publisher, she must know that you can't copyright an idea.

Anyway, how did I get mixed up in this? :?
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:00 am

Yul, we'd better get back in...it's getting serious again...Lawyers, copyright...let's keep this thread a congrats one and leave all the legal stuff out of it...I bet S, has had weeks of all this finalization stuff (That a word Fred?) :wink:
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:02 am

If this was a game of Monopoly, I'd be sending a few of you direct to jail and shadow, you'd have no get out of jail free card, so make sure you've got that Budgie packed :lol:
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Postby perryfaithful » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:15 am

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Marabelle wrote:Be careful the gang of MR will converge upon you if you are not in agreement with their beliefs. Opinions are alright if you go along with the majority.


Marabelle,

Don't go lumping me in with the majority. I have my own opinions.

And btw, you show one face here, another at a Perry site. Why didn't you post what you said over at the other Perry site here about Shania's book and Shania herself? I bet you won't do it. :evil:


what site is that? I have not been out and about much, perhaps I should be catching up everywhere
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Postby Clasicrockldy » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:31 am

perryfaithful wrote:
Clasicrockldy wrote:
Marabelle wrote:Be careful the gang of MR will converge upon you if you are not in agreement with their beliefs. Opinions are alright if you go along with the majority.


Marabelle,

Don't go lumping me in with the majority. I have my own opinions.

And btw, you show one face here, another at a Perry site. Why didn't you post what you said over at the other Perry site here about Shania's book and Shania herself? I bet you won't do it. :evil:


what site is that? I have not been out and about much, perhaps I should be catching up everywhere



Oh no, PF. I am not going to give out that information. I want to keep this between Marabelle and I.
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Postby yulog » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:36 am

Hey Tree why is it that all your Steve perry photos look like someone out of Penthouse(airbrushed) Image

i swear he looks like a hot chick in that photo Image
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Postby styxman » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:38 am

yulog wrote:Hey Tree why is it that all your Steve perry photos look like someone out of Penthouse(airbrushed) Image



:lol: :lol:
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