DDY Burtnik - All For Love

[AR]

Dennis DeYoung with Glen Burtnik 4/21/06 - Atlantic City
Unreleased track "All For Love" that was meant for Edge of the Century Part II

http://download.yousendit.com/0443DFD417BA0A8C

Just shared this on the JRNY forum, thought some of you would be interested.

[Liam]

Dennis DeYoung with Glen Burtnik 4/21/06 - Atlantic City
Unreleased track "All For Love" that was meant for Edge of the Century Part II

http://download.yousendit.com/0443DFD417BA0A8C

Just shared this on the JRNY forum, thought some of you would be interested.

I'm lovin' this song, man. Thanks again.

[Ash]

Um yeah... most of us already have it and were at the show But thanks.

[AR]

Um yeah... most of us already have it and were at the show But thanks.

Um yeah, Guess what? I was at the show too. I don't frequent the Styx board much, so so sorry if it annoyed you.

Ok, I caught the smiley.

[Ash]

Wasn't being negative dude - just pointing it out. There's a post on it here somewhere

[AR]

Wasn't being negative dude - just pointing it out. There's a post on it here somewhere

All good. Don't read the Styx thread often. Was just trying to be helpful

I was in the upstairs balcony for the HOB show.

[Jodes]

If Anyone wants this tune, or the whole show from Atlantic City, email me privately and I'll set you up with it.

Thanks!

[Ash]

Wasn't being negative dude - just pointing it out. There's a post on it here somewhere

All good. Don't read the Styx thread often. Was just trying to be helpful

I was in the upstairs balcony for the HOB show.

wow - you likely sat next to StyxfanNH... thats where he was

[styxfanNH]

Yes I was. Right behind the box seats on the stage right side.

Kinda funny that we keep finding people that were there. We all were likely standing next to each other at one point or another and didn't even know it.

[AR]

I was just slightly left of stage upstairs. Total access to beer.

[bugsymalone]

It would have been fun to know who was there in advance! Thanks for the link to the song, AR. I got a copy awhile back from some nice folks. A most enjoyable evening, for sure.

I wish they would add that song back into the set. Looks like it has not been performed lately.

Bugsy

[AnnieOprah]

Dennis DeYoung with Glen Burtnik 4/21/06 - Atlantic City
Unreleased track "All For Love" that was meant for Edge of the Century Part II

http://download.yousendit.com/0443DFD417BA0A8C

Just shared this on the JRNY forum, thought some of you would be interested.

I had not heard this yet, so thank you very much for posting!

[Abitaman]

Thanks for posting, I didn't have it, been looking for it for some time.
Any other gems you wnat to trade?-ERIC (thanks again)

[FormerDJMike]

I had not heard this either, thanks for posting it. Would love to hear the studio version!

[Abitaman]

finally got to hear a lost Edge 2 song. Thanks for posting, should find dome way to get that cd out. This song was good-ERIC

[yogi]

Awesome song!!!

Since this was written for Edge ll I was wondering will JY, Chuck & Johns family receive some cash if Dennis puts this on his next CD and it sells???

Hell I read on another site( Spiceworld err Styxworld) that Tommy said he was the one that actually inspired this song. I believe Tommy said that when he and Dennis met on that elevator he told Dennis ' thank god the elevator is empty' he understood why he wrote Babe, that he(Dennis) did it 'all for love'.

He also explained to Dennis 'that one shot is all he, Jack and Ted wanted'. He would now take off his fighting gloves and they( Dennis & Tommy) could now be friends again. Tommy has stated that Dennis & Glen stole his lyrics and used them in All for Love.

[Abitaman]

first i heard of that, the stole lyrics part-ERIC

[StyxCollector]

Awesome song!!!

Since this was written for Edge ll I was wondering will JY, Chuck & Johns family receive some cash if Dennis puts this on his next CD and it sells???

Nope. If DDY and/or Glen wrote it, they get the $. It's about who has the songwriting credits more than anything else. And if it was only done in demo form and JY did a scratch guitar part, the new recording is a whole new thing. Plus (and as a musician myself), I don't see why JY et al would be entitled to anything.

Hell I read on another site( Spiceworld err Styxworld) that Tommy said he was the one that actually inspired this song. I believe Tommy said that when he and Dennis met on that elevator he told Dennis ' thank god the elevator is empty' he understood why he wrote Babe, that he(Dennis) did it 'all for love'.

He also explained to Dennis 'that one shot is all he, Jack and Ted wanted'. He would now take off his fighting gloves and they( Dennis & Tommy) could now be friends again. Tommy has stated that Dennis & Glen stole his lyrics and used them in All for Love.

I don't think this a TS song that they stole. To me, that whole 2nd lyric with one chance/one shot/criticized us for plans ... etc., it could be about a relationship (i.e. marriage) or Styx itself. I'd like to see a link to that post from Styxworld, because I don't remember it. And "All For Love" is just a phrase - even if it came from TS. The lyrics are not verry Tommy-esque to be honest. They are much more DDY to me.

[Jodes]

I don't ever recall reading that about "All For Love" maybe it was said in his Myspace account, but nothing ever appeared on Styxworld.

Nothing on his official site too..

[sadie65]

I don't ever recall reading that about "All For Love" maybe it was said in his Myspace account, but nothing ever appeared on Styxworld.

Nothing on his official site too..

I believe that this was an attempt to put some humor into the thread. I myself didn't take the post seriously as I know of no credence for it. i really believe it was an attempt at humor.

[bugsymalone]

Some of you who are new to posting here will eventually learn to appreciate (or not ) Yogi's off-the-wall humor. In this instance, he was playing off the Tommy claim that he "wrote" Come Sail Away (or part of it).

Back in the history of this Styx forum we had a long "assembly line," as Yogi refers to them, about just that subject.

As Sadie says, he was just poking fun.

Bugsy

[yogi]

Come on Sadie & Bugsy I was stating 100% factual information about Dennis 'ONCE AGAIN' stealing Tommy's lyrics and passing it off on his own work. Dennis has stepped on Tommy and JY for that matter time and time again.

This has to stop!!!!!!!

Go visit Montgomery Alabama. On the corner of 4th and MLK Blvd there is a Bowling Alley called The 10th Frame. When Tommy used to play there( back in the early 70's) it was called 'Castle Walls' Bowling E$ntertainment Center. There are three ex workers; Clem Hopkins, Earl ( T-Bone) Fischer & Bubba Haskins, they will all tell you that M.S. Funk( Tommy's old band) would close EVERY show with a song he wrote called 'I'm Bowling Away'. The tune is EXACTLY the same as Come Sail Away. Even some of the lyrics were stolen. How about Dennis also titling a song Castle Walls?? I suppose that doesnt matter either???

Clem, T-Bone & Bubba can be found most days drinking in the parking lot of Rite Liquor Store. It is located about 4 miles up on MLK from the 10th Frame. They will verify that my information is factual.

Sterling will also talk about this in his upcoming book. He knows Clem, T-Bone & Bubba. He's been to the lanes.

Go there. Ask em if I'm not telling you all the truth.

I double dare you!!!!!!!!!

[bugsymalone]

I talked briefly to Clem. (T-Bone and Bubba were "unavailable for comment" as were their spokesdogs). Anyway, Clem said, and I quote "I don't know nuthin' !! Need some shoes??"

Bugsy

[Jodes]

DOH!

[bugsymalone]

DOH!

Hey, Homer! How are Marge and the kids???

Bugsy

[Rockwriter]

Come on Sadie & Bugsy I was stating 100% factual information about Dennis 'ONCE AGAIN' stealing Tommy's lyrics and passing it off on his own work. Dennis has stepped on Tommy and JY for that matter time and time again.

This has to stop!!!!!!!

Go visit Montgomery Alabama. On the corner of 4th and MLK Blvd there is a Bowling Alley called The 10th Frame. When Tommy used to play there( back in the early 70's) it was called 'Castle Walls' Bowling E$ntertainment Center. There are three ex workers; Clem Hopkins, Earl ( T-Bone) Fischer & Bubba Haskins, they will all tell you that M.S. Funk( Tommy's old band) would close EVERY show with a song he wrote called 'I'm Bowling Away'. The tune is EXACTLY the same as Come Sail Away. Even some of the lyrics were stolen. How about Dennis also titling a song Castle Walls?? I suppose that doesnt matter either???

Clem, T-Bone & Bubba can be found most days drinking in the parking lot of Rite Liquor Store. It is located about 4 miles up on MLK from the 10th Frame. They will verify that my information is factual.

Sterling will also talk about this in his upcoming book. He knows Clem, T-Bone & Bubba. He's been to the lanes.

Go there. Ask em if I'm not telling you all the truth.

I double dare you!!!!!!!!!

I did speak to Clem, and he did confirm the "I'm Bowling Away" story. T-Bone shared some of his extensive bootleg whiskey . . . err, I mean video . . . with me that clearly shows a young Dennis DeYoung, cleverly disguised as a drunk redneck, sitting in the front row, scribbling furiously in a notebook as the band plays "I'm Bowling Away".

Sadly, Bubba Haskins recently passed away in a bizarre gardening accident.


Sterling

[SuiteMadameBlue]

OMG, you guys are SO funny!!! LOL

I bumped up the story behind "Come Sail Away"

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=13591

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Dennis DeYoung with Glen Burtnik 4/21/06 - Atlantic City
Unreleased track "All For Love" that was meant for Edge of the Century Part II

http://download.yousendit.com/0443DFD417BA0A8C

Just shared this on the JRNY forum, thought some of you would be interested.

Thanks for posting this!!

I personally love this song!!
Hey, I was at that concert too!!! Too bad you weren't on here before the concert, you could've met up with us. GREAT, GREAT, GREAT time!!!!! Too much of a great time - LOL And also a great bunch of people that I met from this board!

[Rockwriter]

OMG, you guys are SO funny!!! LOL

I bumped up the story behind "Come Sail Away"

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=13591

Interesting. I know Tommy has always said that the chorus melody and guitar riff for CSA were lifted from his song "Ain't Gettin' Down For You". The middle section, the Who-like instrumental piece, was JY's addition as well as the idea for the angels to be aliens. I think obviously the verses were Dennis' completely, and the lyric as well, and the he borrowed various ideas for the arrangement and such. Not unlike the way that Styx' version of "Crystal Ball" is dramatically different from the way Harvest played it, or the way Dennis helped Tommy re-arrange "Renegade" completely, or the way that Dennis contributed to "Miss America" without a writing credit. The opening synth lick for "Fooling Yourself" was JY's, and Dennis borrowed it for a Styxified arrangement of what had been a completely acoustic idea from Tommy, but neither JY nor Dennis got credit on that song. That went on all the time. The way Styx used to credit things was, whomever got the idea really started usually got the credit, except in a few cases where people made really defined contributions.

I should mention that although Tommy and JY point out all the time that they were not credited on CSA, they had a corporate structure in which they could have insisted on a vote on the matter and out-voted Dennis and put their names on the song if they had felt it was important at the time. This is one of those things where hindsight, and the fact that the song became a defining song for Styx, has changed their perspective a bit.

I hope all is well.


Sterling

[StyxCollector]

OMG, you guys are SO funny!!! LOL

I bumped up the story behind "Come Sail Away"

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=13591

Interesting. I know Tommy has always said that the chorus melody and guitar riff for CSA were lifted from his song "Ain't Gettin' Down For You". The middle section, the Who-like instrumental piece, was JY's addition as well as the idea for the angels to be aliens. I think obviously the verses were Dennis' completely, and the lyric as well, and the he borrowed various ideas for the arrangement and such. Not unlike the way that Styx' version of "Crystal Ball" is dramatically different from the way Harvest played it, or the way Dennis helped Tommy re-arrange "Renegade" completely, or the way that Dennis contributed to "Miss America" without a writing credit. The opening synth lick for "Fooling Yourself" was JY's, and Dennis borrowed it for a Styxified arrangement of what had been a completely acoustic idea from Tommy, but neither JY nor Dennis got credit on that song. That went on all the time. The way Styx used to credit things was, whomever got the idea really started usually got the credit, except in a few cases where people made really defined contributions.

I should mention that although Tommy and JY point out all the time that they were not credited on CSA, they had a corporate structure in which they could have insisted on a vote on the matter and out-voted Dennis and put their names on the song if they had felt it was important at the time. This is one of those things where hindsight, and the fact that the song became a defining song for Styx, has changed their perspective a bit.

I hope all is well.


Sterling

TS talks about the odd crediting system in Styx in my interview with him. It's pretty clear who brought certain ideas into the mix, but Dennis is more of an arranger whereas TS and JY are not.