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[fred_journeyman]

Hey DEAN!

Admit that you've got more than one nic on this board OR I may just have to set the record straight...FROM YOUR MOUTH!

[MartyMoffatt]

Fred, if you think I'm Dean you couldn't be more wrong. But, I must say I got a good laugh out of that!

Good, glad you're laughing. Haven't heard from Dean yet though...

I thinks that's because Dean has been sent on vacation for a few days by Andrew, after a particularly graphic outburst yesterday.

Marty

[fred_journeyman]

Ok ok, let's calm down folks.

It will be an interesting week or two for all Journey fans and I'll be here to cover whatever needs to be covered.

I don't feel like calming down, Andrew. You let Dean say and do whatever he wants on this forum and he IS more than one person here.

All this because he was USED by the band to oust Augeri. What a freakin' waste to allow a good board to be owned by someone who is manic-depressive and lies out of his rear end to impress people on here AND who uses more than one nic to post.

That's ridiculous, Andrew and there's no excuse for it.

You tell Deano to "come out of his nic closet" and stop treating people like they're his footstool and then I might "calm down." And when I say "calm down," I mean I'll let it go...

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, if you think I'm Dean you couldn't be more wrong. But, I must say I got a good laugh out of that!

Good, glad you're laughing. Haven't heard from Dean yet though...

I thinks that's because Dean has been sent on vacation for a few days by Andrew, after a particularly graphic outburst yesterday.

Marty

Dean...AND ALL HIS NICS...should be sent on a permanent vacation. He's as bad as Journeytroll.

[PROPERRY]

Hey DEAN!

Admit that you've got more than one nic on this board OR I may just have to set the record straight...FROM YOUR MOUTH!

Oh please DO Fred!

Lori

[Eric]

Okay Fred...

1) Andrew doesn't let Dean-O say whatever he wants

2) Can you prove your allegations regarding Journey and Dean-O"

3) Can you prove Dean-O uses more than one nic?

[Granny]

Fred.please do prove to this old hag that Deano has more than one NIC.
It makes no difference how many names he uses, he has useful info to report to us..and it is certainly fun to come here and read all this "stuff"..Deano is funny, intelligent, writes very well and I like reading his posts...he can certainly spank some people here when they derserve it...which u do very frequently...this is supposed to be fun here and besides its the internet...do u really think this is how people are in real life....if u do, than u need to get a new life and stay off of here if it upsets u so much.

[conversationpc]

Crazie Scarab is Brian, not Dean. Two completely different people.

Oh, I see. Because he signs his posts with the name BRIAN, that totally rules him out for being Dean. Uh...okay

- Carl

I've known Brian ever since the outset of the Back Talk board, from The Cooler, and also my own short-lived forum. He is not Deen. His writing style is not the same as Deen's. Different personalities. I'm sure Andrew could check out the IP addresses from both and verify fairly easily if there's any chance they are the same.

[whocares]

some of you folks take this internet WAY too seriously.

Let's call it paranoia.

[fred_journeyman]

Okay Fred...

1) Andrew doesn't let Dean-O say whatever he wants

Sure he does and then MAYBE, he sends him on a vacation AFTER Dean has said what he wants to say.

2) Can you prove your allegations regarding Journey and Dean-O"

If by me reprinting what Dean has said to me in PMs, YES.

3) Can you prove Dean-O uses more than one nic?

I can prove that he has TOLD me that he uses a number of nics and he has TOLD me which nics he uses, or used in the past.

[Blueskies]

some of you folks take this internet WAY too seriously.

Let's call it paranoia.

[Granny]

Okay Fred...

1) Andrew doesn't let Dean-O say whatever he wants

Sure he does and then MAYBE, he sends him on a vacation AFTER Dean has said what he wants to say.

2) Can you prove your allegations regarding Journey and Dean-O"

If by me reprinting what Dean has said to me in PMs, YES.

3) Can you prove Dean-O uses more than one nic?

I can prove that he has TOLD me that he uses a number of nics and he has TOLD me which nics he uses, or used in the past.

OK...now shut or put up already...

[fred_journeyman]

Fred.please do prove to this old hag that Deano has more than one NIC.
It makes no difference how many names he uses, he has useful info to report to us..and it is certainly fun to come here and read all this "stuff"..Deano is funny, intelligent, writes very well and I like reading his posts...he can certainly spank some people here when they derserve it...which u do very frequently...this is supposed to be fun here and besides its the internet...do u really think this is how people are in real life....if u do, than u need to get a new life and stay off of here if it upsets u so much.

Okay, you say you want me to "prove" that Deano has more than one nic, yet you state essentially that it doesn't matter, so what is the point of proving it to you?

Secondly, you say that I "deserve to be spanked" by Deano? You're a whack job. The only one who has any right to "spank" me would be Andrew. What have I said recently that "requires" Dean or anyone to spank me where Journey is concerned? Find it for me, will you?

You're absolutely correct...this IS supposed to be fun. Unfortunately, I do not find it fun when people are allowed to rub other people's face in shit. If you find it fun, that's great...and sad at the same time and I doubt that you would find it fun if you were being told that you should get AIDS and die, etc. Speaking of which, a good friend of our family's just died over the weekend due to AIDS. He suffered immensely and hopefully, is finally at peace.

And I'll say it one more time for you that are hard of hearing and/or understanding. This does not upset me. What I would like to see is people respecting other people's opinions, even in disagreement. If people around here like wallowing in the sewer as you apparently do, that's fine.

Think about it for a minute...if we were all physically in a room together and Dean unloaded on someone like he does, do you think the other person would find it funny? Maybe those to whom it was not directed would guffaw once or twice, but I would imagine that Deano would find himself flat on the floor more than once by someone who realizes what Deano is...a complete asshole.

What takes place here too often is what I've seen and heard over and over again on the playground when I taught 4th through 6th grades.

[fred_journeyman]

I've known Brian ever since the outset of the Back Talk board, from The Cooler, and also my own short-lived forum. He is not Deen. His writing style is not the same as Deen's. Different personalities. I'm sure Andrew could check out the IP addresses from both and verify fairly easily if there's any chance they are the same.

Great, and I know Crazie Scarab from BT as well. In fact, his posts over there are completely different in tone and content from what they are here...

[fred_journeyman]

OK...now shut or put up already...

I'd rather hear from Dean that HE says that he's only ONE person on this forum.

And by the way, you've stated yourself that my proof wouldn't matter to you.

[A Fire Inside]

Yes, there was a Crazie Scarab on BT. Doesn't mean it's the same person that was over there who is now here...

Obviously CJ lurks here and I assume she could have talked to CS about what he has said over here since it IS a change in personality as you said:

Great, and I know Crazie Scarab from BT as well. In fact, his posts over there are completely different in tone and content from what they are here...

So are everyone's posts between here and Back Talk (except maybe Enigma )... doesn't mean they're all Dean.

Fred, I enjoy seeing you stand up to Dean but you are way off on this one, sorry...

[Clasicrockldy]

I've known Brian ever since the outset of the Back Talk board, from The Cooler, and also my own short-lived forum. He is not Deen. His writing style is not the same as Deen's. Different personalities. I'm sure Andrew could check out the IP addresses from both and verify fairly easily if there's any chance they are the same.

Great, and I know Crazie Scarab from BT as well. In fact, his posts over there are completely different in tone and content from what they are here...

Well, of course Crazie Scarab's posts would be completely different between here and BT! You know how it is over at BT, if you post there. The tone of their message board is way different than here.

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, I enjoy seeing you stand up to Dean but you are way off on this one, sorry...

That's fine. I may be wrong about CS and Dean, but I know for a fact that Dean has told me via PM that he was at least two other people and provided their nics.

Look, ask yourself this question: Why do people CHOOSE to have more than one nic on the same forum? Simple: To bolster their point(s).

[conversationpc]

I've known Brian ever since the outset of the Back Talk board, from The Cooler, and also my own short-lived forum. He is not Deen. His writing style is not the same as Deen's. Different personalities. I'm sure Andrew could check out the IP addresses from both and verify fairly easily if there's any chance they are the same.

Great, and I know Crazie Scarab from BT as well. In fact, his posts over there are completely different in tone and content from what they are here...

Well, duh! So are mine. You can't say anything out of line over there. Freedom of speech and opinion is going to change a lot of things here.

[MartyMoffatt]

Well, of course Crazie Scarab's posts would be completely different between here and BT! You know how it is over at BT, if you post there. The tone of their message board is way different than here.

It doesn't have to be that way. The tone of my posts here is identical to the tone of my posts on BT. Its just that people here like spoiling for a fight, or to lace their posts with expletives.

Marty

[Enigma869]

Great, and I know Crazie Scarab from BT as well. In fact, his posts over there are completely different in tone and content from what they are here...

So are everyone's posts between here and Back Talk (except maybe Enigma )... doesn't mean they're all Dean.

Hey...What can I say...I'm a consistent kind of guy I don't know much about Fred, but I must say that advancing the premise that someone's "tone" is different between here and BT...No shit, dude!!!!! Have you been on BT??? Everyone's tone MUST be "different" or you'll have CJ or one of the other jackass mods going into Journey Police mode and pretending to be a hell of a lot more important than any of them are!

For the record, I am a fan of Dean and think he's the most entertaining bastard on the internet. That said, I definitely do agree with you that the AIDS comment was WAY out of line...even for Deano! That said, the guy is human and is allowed to fuck up, just like everyone else. My guess is that Dean would probably like to take that comment back. I still think Dean is a hell of a lot more intelligent than you seem to think he is. As I've said numerous times on this board, many of Dean's postings are nothing more than "schtick", and not everything the guy says is meant to be taken all that seriously.

Some of us actually enjoy postings that have a bit more content than "Stevie Awesome's wiggle". That shit is nauseating beyond belief and I for one hope that shit NEVER makes its way onto this board! All I can say is that at the end of the day, this is nothing more than an "escape" from the mundane, day to day, routine for many people, and you really can't take any of this stuff too seriously.

One final note...I was accused of being someone else when I first signed up here, as well. It seems to be commonplace on this board to accuse people of being someone else until proven innocent of the charges.

John from Boston

[fred_journeyman]

Well, duh! So are mine. You can't say anything out of line over there. Freedom of speech and opinion is going to change a lot of things here.

Not necessarily. The Crazie Scarab on BT has 7724 posts (with over 9000 posts prior to that). You would THINK that either he is shining everyone on over there (if he is in fact the same CS that posts here) and he's willing to keep up the charade for over 7500 posts, OR the CS who posts HERE is not the same as the CS that posts THERE.

Do you get my point? Yeah, freedom of speech can allow for more opportunities to say what you really mean, however for goodness sakes, he's spent an AWFUL lot of time molding his responses and posts over at BT to ensure that he does NOT go outside of the "party line." Seems to me like an awful lot of work to be allowed to continue to post someplace that apparently doesn't offer CS the kind of "freedom" that he enjoys here.

You figure it out...

[whocares]

Fucking internet "police" trying to make everything to their liking. You're a bore Fred. Please give it up.

It was quite cold outside today, but with all your hot air, it's warming up.

[fred_journeyman]

For the record, I am a fan of Dean and think he's the most entertaining bastard on the internet.

Good for you. I'm sure Deano enjoys that pumping up.

That said, I definitely do agree with you that the AIDS comment was WAY out of line...even for Deano! That said, the guy is human and is allowed to fuck up, just like everyone else.

And how many times does he get to f*ck up and be totally outlandish?

My guess is that Dean would probably like to take that comment back.

I don't get that impression from him, having "talked" with him via PMs many times and hearing what he had to say about people.

I still think Dean is a hell of a lot more intelligent than you seem to think he is. As I've said numerous times on this board, many of Dean's postings are nothing more than "schtick", and not everything the guy says is meant to be taken all that seriously.

You're wrong. I know Deano to be more intelligent than his posts imply. That's what I don't like. He IS intelligent, but chooses rather to act like an orangutan in a zoo and toss his feces at anyone who gets in his way. That's the EASY way out, rather than using his intelligence to provide responses that actually move the conversation forward. His replies not only sidetrack the conversation, but tend to bring out the worst in people. Why? Because apparently, getting into Deano's pants is what some on this board would rather do, than discuss viable topics like...JOURNEY.

Some of us actually enjoy postings that have a bit more content than "Stevie Awesome's wiggle". That shit is nauseating beyond belief and I for one hope that shit NEVER makes its way onto this board! All I can say is that at the end of the day, this is nothing more than an "escape" from the mundane, day to day, routine for many people, and you really can't take any of this stuff too seriously.

Look, I guess I'm wrong about this board. Ever since Deano was used by the band (and he admitted this) to help oust Augeri, his ego knows no bounds. He has a following and he enjoys it. Some of you people feed his ego continually and because of that, many of the GOOD conversations here become nothing more than wallowing in the sewer.

I also do not like vapid threads about Augeri's wiggle, etc. However, I like to read a good debate. When Monker posts for instance, I enjoy reading it. Do I agree with him? Not always, but I enjoy reading his posts. Then Deano (or one of his wannabes) comes along and turns an otherwise good debate into a festival of raw sewage. That does nothing for me, but since it obviously does something for you and others on this board, then maybe this is all the entertainment you have in your life. I'm constantly being told to "get a life," blah, blah, blah. Trouble is I have failed to realize until now that for many of you, THIS is your life and you don't want it to change.

I'm sure you'll continue to enjoy it...until the day comes when Deano will vomit all over you for your opinion. Why? Because while there is a measure of Freedom of Speech here, the final arbiter seems to be Deano. He determines what can be said and who can say it.

Andrew apparently lost control of this board a long time ago.

[fred_journeyman]

Fucking internet "police" trying to make everything to their liking. You're a bore Fred. Please give it up.

It was quite cold outside today, but with all your hot air, it's warming up.

The only reason that you're warming up is because you're whacking off awful hard to Deano's posts.

I thought there was Freedom of Speech here. So, you're saying that I should not post my opinion about the board? You can ignore my posts. You can start your own posts. But no, you would prefer to try to shut me down. How is that Freedom of Speech? Answer: It isn't.

I'm not trying to shut anyone down. People's opinions are fine. In fact, I would like the opportunity to read a good debate all the way through, but they always get sidetracked too quickly because instead of discussing the actual topic, it usually denigrates into slinging feces at one another and I would argue, THAT is what stops true freedom of speech here, not me asking people to use their intelligence.

I guess someone as base as yourself probably wouldn't understand that...

[whocares]

yeah, you're right Fred. You're always right.

I'm not trying to stifel your right to say what you want, but people are growing as tired of your tirades as you are of Deano's tirades. Haven't you noticed that yet?

How can there be freedom of speech, when you are trying to make people stop posting the way they want to here? you are practically spearheading the movement to get this board to be as sterile as the other place is. Who the hell wants that? Think abotu it this way, if this was THAT place, we'd both be banned by now, posts deleted etc. At least here we can "debate". Just because someone has a different opinion than you and doesn't get attacked by Deano, doesn't mean that Deano and those people, me included, are either the same person, or best buds out to bring you down. nor does it mean that we ARE Deano.

I said it once, I'll say it again, paranoia. If you don't like it get the fuck out for a while. That's what I do, when it get's stupid like this.

[AR]

slinging feces at one another

Link please? I'd like to see that.

[fred_journeyman]

yeah, you're right Fred. You're always right.

Never said I was always right. In fact, there have been posts where I've admitted I was wrong.

I'm not trying to stifel your right to say what you want, but people are growing as tired of your tirades as you are of Deano's tirades. Haven't you noticed that yet?

I've noticed a few people say what you're saying, but I've also been PM'd by people who are apparently too afraid to publically agree with me, though they have in the PM.

How can there be freedom of speech, when you are trying to make people stop posting the way they want to here?

I'm asking people to post INTELLIGENTLY and when there is a good debate, to NOT derail it with GARBAGE that does not add to the conversation, but effectively STIFLES it.

you are practically spearheading the movement to get this board to be as sterile as the other place is. Who the hell wants that?

Sterile as in "you can only post these things about Journey that follow the party line" or sterile as in "please post intelligently"? It's the latter in case you were interested. I am NOT saying people can't or shouldn't swear! I'm asking people to NOT allow their swearing or foul language to BECOME the topic for the entire thread that may have started off WITH intelligence.

Think abotu it this way, if this was THAT place, we'd both be banned by now, posts deleted etc. At least here we can "debate". Just because someone has a different opinion than you and doesn't get attacked by Deano, doesn't mean that Deano and those people, me included, are either the same person, or best buds out to bring you down. nor does it mean that we ARE Deano.

That's NOT what I'm saying. What I am saying is that YES, people SHOULD be allowed to share their opinions on this board. And YES, people should be allowed to express it in the terms that they are most comfortable with. What they should NOT be allowed to do is turn EVERY DAMN topic into a swirlie fest because that's what Deano lives for and apparently there are a few who also feed off of that as well. THAT is what effectively STOPS good debate. Do you GET IT?

I said it once, I'll say it again, paranoia. If you don't like it get the fuck out for a while. That's what I do, when it get's stupid like this.

It has NOTHING to do with paranoia. It has EVERYTHING to do with ALLOWING people to have their say without cutting them off and turning their honest opinions into a toilet bowl.

[Moose]

yeah, you're right Fred. You're always right.

Never said I was always right. In fact, there have been posts where I've admitted I was wrong.

I'm not trying to stifel your right to say what you want, but people are growing as tired of your tirades as you are of Deano's tirades. Haven't you noticed that yet?

I've noticed a few people say what you're saying, but I've also been PM'd by people who are apparently too afraid to publically agree with me, though they have in the PM.

How can there be freedom of speech, when you are trying to make people stop posting the way they want to here?

I'm asking people to post INTELLIGENTLY and when there is a good debate, to NOT derail it with GARBAGE that does not add to the conversation, but effectively STIFLES it.

you are practically spearheading the movement to get this board to be as sterile as the other place is. Who the hell wants that?

Sterile as in "you can only post these things about Journey that follow the party line" or sterile as in "please post intelligently"? It's the latter in case you were interested. I am NOT saying people can't or shouldn't swear! I'm asking people to NOT allow their swearing or foul language to BECOME the topic for the entire thread that may have started off WITH intelligence.

Think abotu it this way, if this was THAT place, we'd both be banned by now, posts deleted etc. At least here we can "debate". Just because someone has a different opinion than you and doesn't get attacked by Deano, doesn't mean that Deano and those people, me included, are either the same person, or best buds out to bring you down. nor does it mean that we ARE Deano.

That's NOT what I'm saying. What I am saying is that YES, people SHOULD be allowed to share their opinions on this board. And YES, people should be allowed to express it in the terms that they are most comfortable with. What they should NOT be allowed to do is turn EVERY DAMN topic into a swirlie fest because that's what Deano lives for and apparently there are a few who also feed off of that as well. THAT is what effectively STOPS good debate. Do you GET IT?

I said it once, I'll say it again, paranoia. If you don't like it get the fuck out for a while. That's what I do, when it get's stupid like this.

It has NOTHING to do with paranoia. It has EVERYTHING to do with ALLOWING people to have their say without cutting them off and turning their honest opinions into a toilet bowl.

Fred, standing ovation!!!!! Don't let Deano's multilple personalities and/or lackeys beat you down!

[fred_journeyman]

slinging feces at one another

Link please? I'd like to see that.

It's a metaphor. I mean people are using LANGUAGE to derail conversations that start out good, but become ABOUT raw sewage and who can outdo one another.

I think I'm getting a picture of the level of intelligence (or lack of it) here.

Do you know how many people have gone "Good job, Fred!" to me in a PM, but won't state it publically on this board? The reason is obvious...

Okay, just forget it. Yep, I'm paranoid and I am the Internet Gestapo. Yep, that's it exactly. Nevermind that I want to indulge in intelligent discussion which I thought occurs on BOTH sides of the fence. I'm all about shutting you and others like you down because I don't like your opinions. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yep. Nothing more to say. Yessiree.

(Please note, for those literalists here, the above statement starting with the word "Okay" was sarcastic and not meant to be taken literally.)

Now back to your regularly scheduled shitfest. Eat up and enjoy!