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yogi wrote:Thank you Ash, Co Producer of the 'AUTHORIZED' VH1 Styx Behind The Music.
They had all the players involved, and that was damn factual wasnt it???
yogi wrote:Ash,
The word Unauthorized is in the title of the press release.
There is absolutely no need to defend Sterling on any Styx point, but what is pretty evident is that ALL of his post here are insightful and factual. He's is the only one who can make that claim.
At any rate Ash I think your's was a piss poor post and I just had to point out the 'obvious'.
bugsymalone wrote:Unless every single member of the band, past and present, granted interviews, oversaw the writing, approved of what was put in the book, it will always have controversy about it and not be a truly definitive work.
whocares wrote:whatever the case witht he book, how many facts are actually here, versus just plain opinions? Come on. Ash, is right, agendas/opinions, not always facts.
Ash wrote:I hate to say this - but unless you've interviewed Dennis and JY for this - how can it be considered definitive. This will leave a lot to speculation and interpretation if those views are not represented. It's not fair for someone to stand in for Dennis. Not being able to get an interview with Dennis really isn't a valid excuse either.
Not trying to be inflamatory - just pointing out an obvious problem.
It should also be referred to as an "Unofficial Biography" in case you come off trying to sound like you're offering something that you are not.
Ash wrote:yogi wrote:Thank you Ash, Co Producer of the 'AUTHORIZED' VH1 Styx Behind The Music.
They had all the players involved, and that was damn factual wasnt it???
Well it may have been had they had like 3 hours to tell the whole story. Television is limited by the media, which isn't (completely) VH1's fault. You can put as many pages in a book as you want to get the whole story out.
No need to take a stab at me. I'm only point out what is pretty obvious. That doesn't mean it won't make it an interesting read, it just means it will have a lot of second and third-party information with regard to Dennis and JY.
yogi wrote:Damn I cant wait to read this.
I am wondering will either camp promote this book?
Will Tommy talk about it on Styxworld?
Will Dennis or Suzzanne promote it on their website??
I realize they wont get any royalities from the sales of the book, but still its free publicity. Plus youve got to somehow figure the more the book sells the more the back catelog, or future releases may sell.
Zan wrote:Chiming in here for a second...
First, let me start by saying that I have never been a supporter of the idea of this book (no offense, Sterling). Only because IMO, if the guys didn't authorize it, then it shouldn't have been published (not like it's actual *news* or anything - just fodder for fans to squabble about for the next...god knows how many years). I say this now because I feel it's important to what I'm about to say.
In the years that I've known Sterling online, he *has* persistantly and flagrantly violated the mental well-beings of many a fan on both sides of the Styx camp....Meaning, he has never been overly favoring to either side, which has definitely pissed a lot of people off from time to time. Why? Probably because when you're busy obsessing over who said what in idiotic flame wars on the internet, the last thing you want is someone claiming to have real knowledge on the subject - especially when so many people thought THEY had the real knowledge based on whatever rumors or one-sided stories they'd overheard or conclsions they'd drawn based on their own personal feelings towards one or a few members of the band. That and the fact that sometimes Sterling did come off a bit...self-inflated at times. LOL
But now...now, I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us with common sense in our heads (this excludes certain people, I'm sure you don't know who you are) realize that nobody in the band was blameless or victimized the way we once believed. For myself, I can honestly say that there is nothing short of murder in that book that would shock or horrify me as a fan, and nothing, certainly not after years of battle on forums like this anyway, nothing would shatter my image of them. I bet there's some wacky, wacky stuff in there. Still don't think I'm going to read it, though. LOL
Rockwriter wrote:As for Dennis or JY coming out against this thing, they might, I really don't know. But if they do it will be because of their inability to accept how others see them, in my view. JY is not going to be happy at all, for instance, with what Tommy said about him back when they were apart. Not much I can do about that. And of course there will be fans who don't like what gets said, who want to find fault with a few unflattering story elements. I fully expect that, it's a part of the business I'm in, and furthermore, people have an absolute right to like what they like and dislike what they dislike. I accepted a long time ago that this book might not be for everyone, but it's still as close to a really definitive portrait of the career of Styx as we're ever going to get, in my opinion.
Zan wrote:Chiming in here for a second...
First, let me start by saying that I have never been a supporter of the idea of this book (no offense, Sterling). Only because IMO, if the guys didn't authorize it, then it shouldn't have been published (not like it's actual *news* or anything - just fodder for fans to squabble about for the next...god knows how many years). I say this now because I feel it's important to what I'm about to say.
In the years that I've known Sterling online, he *has* persistantly and flagrantly violated the mental well-beings of many a fan on both sides of the Styx camp....Meaning, he has never been overly favoring to either side, which has definitely pissed a lot of people off from time to time. Why? Probably because when you're busy obsessing over who said what in idiotic flame wars on the internet, the last thing you want is someone claiming to have real knowledge on the subject - especially when so many people thought THEY had the real knowledge based on whatever rumors or one-sided stories they'd overheard or conclsions they'd drawn based on their own personal feelings towards one or a few members of the band. That and the fact that sometimes Sterling did come off a bit...self-inflated at times. LOL
But now...now, I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us with common sense in our heads (this excludes certain people, I'm sure you don't know who you are) realize that nobody in the band was blameless or victimized the way we once believed. For myself, I can honestly say that there is nothing short of murder in that book that would shock or horrify me as a fan, and nothing, certainly not after years of battle on forums like this anyway, nothing would shatter my image of them. I bet there's some wacky, wacky stuff in there. Still don't think I'm going to read it, though. LOL
Zan wrote:Chiming in here for a second...
First, let me start by saying that I have never been a supporter of the idea of this book (no offense, Sterling). Only because IMO, if the guys didn't authorize it, then it shouldn't have been published (not like it's actual *news* or anything - just fodder for fans to squabble about for the next...god knows how many years). I say this now because I feel it's important to what I'm about to say.
In the years that I've known Sterling online, he *has* persistantly and flagrantly violated the mental well-beings of many a fan on both sides of the Styx camp....Meaning, he has never been overly favoring to either side, which has definitely pissed a lot of people off from time to time. Why? Probably because when you're busy obsessing over who said what in idiotic flame wars on the internet, the last thing you want is someone claiming to have real knowledge on the subject - especially when so many people thought THEY had the real knowledge based on whatever rumors or one-sided stories they'd overheard or conclsions they'd drawn based on their own personal feelings towards one or a few members of the band. That and the fact that sometimes Sterling did come off a bit...self-inflated at times. LOL
But now...now, I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us with common sense in our heads (this excludes certain people, I'm sure you don't know who you are) realize that nobody in the band was blameless or victimized the way we once believed. For myself, I can honestly say that there is nothing short of murder in that book that would shock or horrify me as a fan, and nothing, certainly not after years of battle on forums like this anyway, nothing would shatter my image of them. I bet there's some wacky, wacky stuff in there. Still don't think I'm going to read it, though. LOL
Rockwriter wrote:Zan wrote:Chiming in here for a second...
First, let me start by saying that I have never been a supporter of the idea of this book (no offense, Sterling). Only because IMO, if the guys didn't authorize it, then it shouldn't have been published (not like it's actual *news* or anything - just fodder for fans to squabble about for the next...god knows how many years). I say this now because I feel it's important to what I'm about to say.
In the years that I've known Sterling online, he *has* persistantly and flagrantly violated the mental well-beings of many a fan on both sides of the Styx camp....Meaning, he has never been overly favoring to either side, which has definitely pissed a lot of people off from time to time. Why? Probably because when you're busy obsessing over who said what in idiotic flame wars on the internet, the last thing you want is someone claiming to have real knowledge on the subject - especially when so many people thought THEY had the real knowledge based on whatever rumors or one-sided stories they'd overheard or conclsions they'd drawn based on their own personal feelings towards one or a few members of the band. That and the fact that sometimes Sterling did come off a bit...self-inflated at times. LOL
But now...now, I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us with common sense in our heads (this excludes certain people, I'm sure you don't know who you are) realize that nobody in the band was blameless or victimized the way we once believed. For myself, I can honestly say that there is nothing short of murder in that book that would shock or horrify me as a fan, and nothing, certainly not after years of battle on forums like this anyway, nothing would shatter my image of them. I bet there's some wacky, wacky stuff in there. Still don't think I'm going to read it, though. LOL
Zan, Zan, Zan . . . self-inflated?! LOL. ME?! How funny.
Seriously, I'm very much aware that I come off that way sometimes. Frankly, I don't think you can be effective as a writer if you don't have that. Any more than a performing musician can be effective if he does not have the bedrock belief that his natural place is on stage in front of the world. I pretty much guarantee you that every performer, actor, writer you are aware of on the planet is pretty ego-driven. So I'm guilty, lol, but I'm in good company.
I hope all is well.
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