Reality

[lights1961]

The reality of "Journey" is this. It's basically Perry or bust. VERY few people give a shit about JSS....even less know who he is. Journey.....popular, commercial, successful, Journey... needs Perry. JSS... first and foremost, Thank You. You kept alive a tour....Thanks. Neal....dude...this is last call. Your last chance of being commercially relevant is fading. Perry+Schon (+ Cain) =$$$$$$$$$ I'll say what the VAST MAJORITY of Journey fans want to say..... WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW.....JUST BRING PERRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what we ALL want (THAT lineup). If you think I'm wrong....refer to "Greatest Hits." or..."Greatest Hits Live" "Essential Journey". You get the point. Perry is Journey's ONLY chance of EVER being relevant again. Why can't anyone else see that? If it aint Perry, it AINT Journey....sad, but true. It's a shame Cain has balls the size of rabbit shit. Same size of Neal's brain. Perry laughs again..then again, why wouldn't he? He WAS Journey.

Such an intellgent thread... and YOU ARE NOT DEALING WITH REALITY in this post!!
DIVORCES are MESSY and 99.9% FINAL... DEAL WITH it..

Rick

[MartyMoffatt]

It's easy for us to speculate about any of it. I have one question, though...

If it could happen, who wouldn't want Steve Perry to rejoin Journey, and why???

Actually, I guess that's 2 questions, but oh well...

If Elvis was found alive and well and serving fries in McDonalds somewhere, who wouldn’t want him to go on tour again, swivelling his hips and slobbering into his mic?

If Paul McCartney and Heather Mills could somehow patch up their differences, who wouldn’t want them to cancel the divorce and live happily ever after?

If Michael Jackson could make all the paedophile allegations go away and re-unite with the Jackson five or reverse his plastic surgery, who wouldn’t want him to release another multi-platinum selling album?

If George Bush could pretend he hadn’t invaded Iraq, pull all the troops out and suddenly Iraq would become a stable, prosperous democratic country, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

If everybody could immediately stop using their cars and walk everywhere, so carbon emissions could cease enough to stop global warming, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

Sorry, they’re not particularly good analogies, because I’ve just made them up and, OK, one or two of these even I wouldn’t want to happen, but you get the picture.

The reality is none of these things will happen, but they are still about as likely as a Steve Perry re-united Journey going back on the road again. It is irrelevant whether or not you would want something to happen, if there is no chance of it actually happening. In this case SP has said over and over again ad infinitum that he will not perform with Journey again. Privately, Neal has said the same thing. How many times does it take before Somebody actually believes them.

Marty

[SteveForever]

It's easy for us to speculate about any of it. I have one question, though...

If it could happen, who wouldn't want Steve Perry to rejoin Journey, and why???

Actually, I guess that's 2 questions, but oh well...

If Elvis was found alive and well and serving fries in McDonalds somewhere, who wouldn’t want him to go on tour again, swivelling his hips and slobbering into his mic?

If Paul McCartney and Heather Mills could somehow patch up their differences, who wouldn’t want them to cancel the divorce and live happily ever after?

If Michael Jackson could make all the paedophile allegations go away and re-unite with the Jackson five or reverse his plastic surgery, who wouldn’t want him to release another multi-platinum selling album?

If George Bush could pretend he hadn’t invaded Iraq, pull all the troops out and suddenly Iraq would become a stable, prosperous democratic country, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

If everybody could immediately stop using their cars and walk everywhere, so carbon emissions could cease enough to stop global warming, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

Sorry, they’re not particularly good analogies, because I’ve just made them up and, OK, one or two of these even I wouldn’t want to happen, but you get the picture.

The reality is none of these things will happen, but they are still about as likely as a Steve Perry re-united Journey going back on the road again. It is irrelevant whether or not you would want something to happen, if there is no chance of it actually happening. In this case SP has said over and over again ad infinitum that he will not perform with Journey again. Privately, Neal has said the same thing. How many times does it take before Somebody actually believes them.

Marty

I Believe Marty, I totally believe. Steve is never coming back to Journey. He doesn't need to. Good post!

[jabber]

Reality is, if they record with JSS (and they should!) there better be some hellacious marketing and media saturation if they want it to be a bona fide success. As much as I like Jeff, "Journey with (singer whose name is not Steve Perry)" does not sell many albums or encourage 30something mainstreamers to buy them. I'm of the opinion that they should change the band name to get away from the Perry noose and appeal to a harder market. Or, as Journey is prone to do, push the NEW JOURNEY ALBUM with very little mention of who is actually singing on it and hope name recognition will be positive, not negative.

Most of us here would buy a JSS-fronted Journey album. I know I would. I don't need Perry back in Journey and frankly I don't want him there. They're doing fine without him, just need some better PR is all. I'd like to see SP do his own thing without Journey, and for Journey to get some new stuff out and circulating.

[Moose]

It's easy for us to speculate about any of it. I have one question, though...

If it could happen, who wouldn't want Steve Perry to rejoin Journey, and why???

Actually, I guess that's 2 questions, but oh well...

If Elvis was found alive and well and serving fries in McDonalds somewhere, who wouldn’t want him to go on tour again, swivelling his hips and slobbering into his mic?

If Paul McCartney and Heather Mills could somehow patch up their differences, who wouldn’t want them to cancel the divorce and live happily ever after?

If Michael Jackson could make all the paedophile allegations go away and re-unite with the Jackson five or reverse his plastic surgery, who wouldn’t want him to release another multi-platinum selling album?

If George Bush could pretend he hadn’t invaded Iraq, pull all the troops out and suddenly Iraq would become a stable, prosperous democratic country, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

If everybody could immediately stop using their cars and walk everywhere, so carbon emissions could cease enough to stop global warming, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

Sorry, they’re not particularly good analogies, because I’ve just made them up and, OK, one or two of these even I wouldn’t want to happen, but you get the picture.

The reality is none of these things will happen, but they are still about as likely as a Steve Perry re-united Journey going back on the road again. It is irrelevant whether or not you would want something to happen, if there is no chance of it actually happening. In this case SP has said over and over again ad infinitum that he will not perform with Journey again. Privately, Neal has said the same thing. How many times does it take before Somebody actually believes them.

Marty

I Believe Marty, I totally believe. Steve is never coming back to Journey. He doesn't need to. Good post!

The experts around here say that Perry will NEVER return. They may have the inside scoop that would suggest that notion. However, anything is possible. The Eagles got back together, Pink Floyd performed together, and hell, the Red Sox won the World Series in ’04. You never know…

[Granny]

Here's my 2 cents, for what it's worth...
1. SP he is never coming back to Juorney, & I don't want him to.
2.I do want some solo work, even tho' his voice is somewhat lower, but I like it that way, much more mature, definitely sexier, nice timber to it.
3.With his physical problems, he cannot tour, although one or two dates might be possible.
4. When he quit in 86 or 87 IMHO, I think he had some kind of "breakdown", I have no inside info on that, but that takes years to get over.
5.I don't he has forgotten his fans or he wouldn't have shown up HOF or in May at the star to greet the fans that were there.
6.I love SP and he is the best rock and roll voice ever, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy JSS with Journey
7.Jeff has brought a new vitality to the band and they play better than ever....He is a great entertainer and thats what I go to live concerts for...to be entertained for a few hours and hear the songs that I love...NEW ONES WOULD BE AWESOME and I think thats what we will get soon.
8.It seems every december he does an interview with UJB, I do believe that he misses singing for the fans and touring, but knows he cannot at this stage in his life..
9.I have seen the boots of JSS other work and he is has a great voice and stage presence and will do great things for Journey
10. I did see the boys live last week and no one should miss this tour...AWESOME
11. I dont expect much new info from Steve on this interview, but an itunes might be possible....
12.Again, I am still a Perryhead, but I have enough sense to move on and enjoy my favorite band....and their new lead singer!!!!!

[chickpea]

6.I love SP and he is the best rock and roll voice ever, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy JSS with Journey

I completely agree!

[lights1961]

It's easy for us to speculate about any of it. I have one question, though...

If it could happen, who wouldn't want Steve Perry to rejoin Journey, and why???

Actually, I guess that's 2 questions, but oh well...

If Elvis was found alive and well and serving fries in McDonalds somewhere, who wouldn’t want him to go on tour again, swivelling his hips and slobbering into his mic?

If Paul McCartney and Heather Mills could somehow patch up their differences, who wouldn’t want them to cancel the divorce and live happily ever after?

If Michael Jackson could make all the paedophile allegations go away and re-unite with the Jackson five or reverse his plastic surgery, who wouldn’t want him to release another multi-platinum selling album?

If George Bush could pretend he hadn’t invaded Iraq, pull all the troops out and suddenly Iraq would become a stable, prosperous democratic country, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

If everybody could immediately stop using their cars and walk everywhere, so carbon emissions could cease enough to stop global warming, who wouldn’t want it to happen?

Sorry, they’re not particularly good analogies, because I’ve just made them up and, OK, one or two of these even I wouldn’t want to happen, but you get the picture.

The reality is none of these things will happen, but they are still about as likely as a Steve Perry re-united Journey going back on the road again. It is irrelevant whether or not you would want something to happen, if there is no chance of it actually happening. In this case SP has said over and over again ad infinitum that he will not perform with Journey again. Privately, Neal has said the same thing. How many times does it take before Somebody actually believes them.

Marty

good analogies...

[Deb]

The experts around here say that Perry will NEVER return. They may have the inside scoop that would suggest that notion. However, anything is possible. The Eagles got back together, Pink Floyd performed together, and hell, the Red Sox won the World Series in ’04. You never know…

Moose, I am a major Perry fan.........and although he loved his time in Journey, I truly believe he is done with Journey. I wouldn't rule out him ever performing a song with them, but not a full-time member of Journey again.....jmo.

To the peeps that don't think he can sing anymore........I say, BS.

[Matthew]

Here's my 2 cents, for what it's worth...
1. SP he is never coming back to Juorney, & I don't want him to.
!

I don't think he'll ever rejoin Journey but I do want him to. JSS is doing a great job by all accounts...but come on...a new Journey album with Perry is the dream scenario and always will be.

[Granny]

Here's my 2 cents, for what it's worth...
1. SP he is never coming back to Juorney, & I don't want him to.
!

I don't think he'll ever rejoin Journey but I do want him to. JSS is doing a great job by all accounts...but come on...a new Journey album with Perry is the dream scenario and always will be.

But it will never happen,(sadly) new music of any kind will definitely be welcome...I can't hold my breath too long tho' will wait for the interview and pray there is some new info not the usual stuff he usually says...

[ArnelRox]

To the peeps that don't think he can sing anymore........I say, BS.

Absolutely. All anyone has to do is listen to the David Pack CD to know if he can sing.

[Granny]

To the peeps that don't think he can sing anymore........I say, BS.

Absolutely. All anyone has to do is listen to the David Pack CD to know if he can sing.

I bought that CD the day it came out and got goose bumps and my eyes filled up---I know I am a wuss...but oh, that voice, still sounds the same...I need to hear him sing again,,,,anything will do....phone book, old songs, but I really want to hear WYLAW...sends me into spasms....

[yak]

It's easy for us to speculate about any of it. I have one question, though...

If it could happen, who wouldn't want Steve Perry to rejoin Journey, and why???

Actually, I guess that's 2 questions, but oh well...

No speculation here, just the reality. Perry needs to stay away from Journey because 1.) Journey is a viable band without him, 2.) if Perry had come back, he would have once again left the band hanging, and 3.) a Journey with Perry calling all the shots is not what most want to hear. Whether or not he goes on is irrevelant except to an internet few; he wouldn't be playing arenas with or without Journey. Those days are gone.

One more observation....Why is it necessary to get into shape because "maybe" he's going back to the stage? Why not keep yourself in shape just because it's healthier?

[EightyRock]

Yak, man, you are only talking about a half dozen people on a message board that wouldn't want to see Perry front Journey again. That dude has fans all over the place who'd kill to see him do one gig with them. I'm not just sayin' everyday Joes, I mean a shit-load of musicians, producers, Hollywood types, and they all have friends, too.
No need to get all bent about it anyway, cause he's done with Journey, as far as I can tell.

[ArnelRox]

No speculation here, just the reality. Perry needs to stay away from Journey because 1.) Journey is a viable band without him, 2.) if Perry had come back, he would have once again left the band hanging, and 3.) a Journey with Perry calling all the shots is not what most want to hear. Whether or not he goes on is irrevelant except to an internet few; he wouldn't be playing arenas with or without Journey. Those days are gone.

One more observation....Why is it necessary to get into shape because "maybe" he's going back to the stage? Why not keep yourself in shape just because it's healthier?

I have an observation I've made about u. Somehow, for some reason, u have an innate need to run down Perry every chance u get. Why? I don't understand it.

[EightyRock]

Yak said: "One more observation....Why is it necessary to get into shape because "maybe" he's going back to the stage? Why not keep yourself in shape just because it's healthier?"

I dunno, maybe we can ask Neal or anybody else who doesn't look like they did 15-20 years ago? I guess it would be more necessary for Perry to get into shape than a non-vocalist, because it is the lead singer who always gets the shit job of having to watch their diet just to sing well. It goes hand in hand, I suppose.

[yak]

I dunno, maybe we can ask Neal or anybody else who doesn't look like they did 15-20 years ago? I guess it would be more necessary for Perry to get into shape than a non-vocalist, because it is the lead singer who always gets the shit job of having to watch their diet just to sing well. It goes hand in hand, I suppose.

My point exactly....the dude has been doing virtually nothing (unless you count driving a 4 x 4 to the mountains with his girlfriend) for a decade, so he's had plenty of time to keep in shape. Maybe he's not into the clean living either. It's important for a lot of vocalists on the road today to keep in shape, especially on the road. Perry used to be a vegetarian, or so he said, and used to watch his diet. I guess sitting around doesn't give you much incentive to take proper care of yourself. He could weigh 500 pounds, and you would all still be cooing over him.





FYI, I'm not running down Perry every chance I get, just making real observations. If I were making the same statements about somebody you disliked, you'd be all for it. Like I said before....it's the old Double Standard. Not trying to win a popularity contest here and agree with everybody else. Just stating MY opinion....which doesn't agree with yours.

I wish you all a breathless wait for Perry...........he's been hinting for years that he's coming back...growing his hair...cutting his hair...losing weight...gaining weight..........being seen...hiding out...............taking forever to put together a band to his liking, etc. etc...........but so far he has eluded his own comeback.

[The Ghost Rider]

Has anyone besides me ever wondered...

Maybe the reason Perry keeps such a low profile is that some of his fans are fucking psycho's...and he fears for his life?


Just a thought.

[AR]

Anyone else shave down the hair around their nuts? I do.

[yak]

Has anyone besides me ever wondered...

Maybe the reason Perry keeps such a low profile is that some of his fans are fucking psycho's...and he fears for his life?


Just a thought.

'Ya think? The very ones who come here and salivate about him could be the very reason he stays away. Especially if he's read some of their stuff. If you ever see a photo with his hair curled..................

[SF-Dano]

FYI, I'm not running down Perry every chance I get, just making real observations. If I were making the same statements about somebody you disliked, you'd be all for it. Like I said before....it's the old Double Standard. Not trying to win a popularity contest here and agree with everybody else. Just stating MY opinion....which doesn't agree with yours.

Agreed.
There definately is a double standard going on here. But, it has been going on for years and years. This thread is basically a rerun of several other threads over the years, and even past few months. Apparently nothing ever changes as far as Journey or Perry is concerned. Time has not heald the differences between the fans. I don't know how time could mend the fences between the band members.

[Andrew]

The reality of "Journey" is this. It's basically Perry or bust. VERY few people give a shit about JSS....even less know who he is. Journey.....popular, commercial, successful, Journey... needs Perry. JSS... first and foremost, Thank You. You kept alive a tour....Thanks. Neal....dude...this is last call. Your last chance of being commercially relevant is fading. Perry+Schon (+ Cain) =$$$$$$$$$ I'll say what the VAST MAJORITY of Journey fans want to say..... WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW.....JUST BRING PERRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what we ALL want (THAT lineup). If you think I'm wrong....refer to "Greatest Hits." or..."Greatest Hits Live" "Essential Journey". You get the point. Perry is Journey's ONLY chance of EVER being relevant again. Why can't anyone else see that? If it aint Perry, it AINT Journey....sad, but true. It's a shame Cain has balls the size of rabbit shit. Same size of Neal's brain. Perry laughs again..then again, why wouldn't he? He WAS Journey.

The formatting and general content of your post suggests to me that you are on drugs. If not, then perhaps you should consider taking some.

[Andrew]

It's easy for us to speculate about any of it. I have one question, though...

If it could happen, who wouldn't want Steve Perry to rejoin Journey, and why???

Actually, I guess that's 2 questions, but oh well...

Cause Journey are a touring machine and Steve won't tour.

[AR]

Cause Journey are a touring machine and Steve won't tour.

To the point, and exactly right.

[journeywoman]

I have to agree with you TREE, Why does he keep remastering these songs?Why does he keep reliving the old days when he was in Journey?Your hubby 's got a point.They are all his and Journey's children.Why is he not letting go? Is it the money,everyone knows Journey is blowing the concerts away.So question, what is it? Anybody got ideas?

[Andrew]

Here's my 2 cents, for what it's worth...
1. SP he is never coming back to Juorney, & I don't want him to.
!

I don't think he'll ever rejoin Journey but I do want him to. JSS is doing a great job by all accounts...but come on...a new Journey album with Perry is the dream scenario and always will be.

I would anticipate a JSS fronted album more than a perry fronted one. Love Perry (you all know that), but I'm ready for tis band to ROCK again and with the JSS edge, I believe it truly will.

[Deb]

FYI, I'm not running down Perry every chance I get, just making real observations. If I were making the same statements about somebody you disliked, you'd be all for it. Like I said before....it's the old Double Standard. Not trying to win a popularity contest here and agree with everybody else. Just stating MY opinion....which doesn't agree with yours.

Agreed.
There definately is a double standard going on here. But, it has been going on for years and years. This thread is basically a rerun of several other threads over the years, and even past few months. Apparently nothing ever changes as far as Journey or Perry is concerned. Time has not heald the differences between the fans. I don't know how time could mend the fences between the band members.

SF, it will probably always be that way. You are going to have people who jump all over anybody that supports Perry, likewise you are going to have people jump all over anybody that supports Augueri or JSS too. I don't agree with Saint John ragging on Neal, Jon and especially JSS (who had absolutely nothing to do with why Perry isn't in Journey) to put his support of Perry across. Are some peoples lives that miserable that they have to be bagging on someone else to feel better........not just talking about Saint John.

[Deb]

Here's my 2 cents, for what it's worth...
1. SP he is never coming back to Juorney, & I don't want him to.
!

I don't think he'll ever rejoin Journey but I do want him to. JSS is doing a great job by all accounts...but come on...a new Journey album with Perry is the dream scenario and always will be.

I would anticipate a JSS fronted album more than a perry fronted one. Love Perry (you all know that), but I'm ready for tis band to ROCK again and with the JSS edge, I believe it truly will.

True enough, hell.....I'd like both camps to put a cd out........but I'm greedy.

[donnaplease]

You've all made excellent points, and I see all sides. I guess for me it's that I never had the privilege of seeing a Journey show with SP at the lead (saw SA once & it was a really good show). It would be the 'concert of a lifetime' for me, and something that I will keep hoping for.

It's just that I feel like if everyone is so damned determined to "move on" then stop playing the songs that Steve Perry sang, which are so ingrained in all of us, that every time we hear them we long to see 'the voice' singing them. I guess I'm a "loon", but I'm not unrealistic. JSS is kicking ass for Journey, and if they want to proceed with this, they need to get into the studio and record some new stuff, instead of recycling the old stuff night after night after night...

It may be wishful thinking, but I'm gonna still hope...