OT: SADDAM IS DEAD

[ohsherrie]

Behshad, Mark H, great posts.

Dean, bin laden is a son of the mighty oil Gods in Saudi Arabia. He's untouchable to our oil worshiping government. If he's caught before he dies of natural causes* it'll be because they have decided they can't possibly stay in power without catching or killing him. Even if they claim to have killed him in some bombing attack where there are no eye witnesses who aren't classified, I won't believe them.

I'm not saying the Dems don't look out for our oil suppliers with the attention that the Reps do. Our economy is so sadly dependent on oil that they have to consider it in all policy decisions involving that region. I am saying that the Dems would allow us to develop alternative fuels because the oil barons in this country don't OWN the Democratic Party the way they do their Republican favorite son who's in office. The only reason we don't have major progress in the utilization of solar, hydro, and aero produced electricty now is because it would cut into oil company profits and economic power too much. As soon as the oil companies have found a way to assure they reap the financial benefits from those alternative sources we'll see them developed to the point where were less dependent of foreign oil.

*I'm not certain if all this talk of his health problems are real or just setting us up for an announcement of his untimely death and thereby getting Bush off the hook.

[Granny]

Behshad, Mark H, great posts.

Dean, bin laden is a son of the mighty oil Gods in Saudi Arabia. He's untouchable to our oil worshiping government. If he's caught before he dies of natural causes* it'll be because they have decided they can't possibly stay in power without catching or killing him. Even if they claim to have killed him in some bombing attack where there are no eye witnesses who aren't classified, I won't believe them.

I'm not saying the Dems don't look out for our oil suppliers with the attention that the Reps do. Our economy is so sadly dependent on oil that they have to consider it in all policy decisions involving that region. I am saying that the Dems would allow us to develop alternative fuels because the oil barons in this country don't OWN the Democratic Party the way they do their Republican favorite son who's in office. The only reason we don't have major progress in the utilization of solar, hydro, and aero produced electricty now is because it would cut into oil company profits and economic power too much. As soon as the oil companies have found a way to assure they reap the financial benefits from those alternative sources we'll see them developed to the point where were less dependent of foreign oil.

*I'm not certain if all this talk of his health problems are real or just setting us up for an announcement of his untimely death and thereby getting Bush off the hook.

Oh Sherrie.....so well said and so true...hubby and I have discussed those issues many times....
And did u hear that a 25 mile piece of the artic ice glacier broke off two days ago....????what is next? rising oceans? from global warming....???? Gore isn't so far off about that>>!!!!!!

[conversationpc]

I don't give a pelicans ballsack who the Hell I offend. Grow some thicker skin for shits sake.

He who is never offended probably doesn't believe in anything strongly enough as he should anyway. Yes, people should have thicker skins than they do but someone who's never offended by anything probably ought to seriously examine their life and find something to believe in.

I'm not saying the Dems don't look out for our oil suppliers with the attention that the Reps do. Our economy is so sadly dependent on oil that they have to consider it in all policy decisions involving that region. I am saying that the Dems would allow us to develop alternative fuels because the oil barons in this country don't OWN the Democratic Party the way they do their Republican favorite son who's in office.

The Republicans and Democrats are both so tied to big oil that you can almost see the rope burns on their collective wrists.

[conversationpc]

Oh Sherrie.....so well said and so true...hubby and I have discussed those issues many times....
And did u hear that a 25 mile piece of the artic ice glacier broke off two days ago....????what is next? rising oceans? from global warming....???? Gore isn't so far off about that>>!!!!!!

Global warming is indeed occurring but I seriously doubt we humans have near as much to do with it as so-called scientists say. The press rarely mentions that the sun is actually getting hotter and the earth's normal weather patterns are in a naturaly warming cycle. Accurate record keeping of temperatures only goes back a couple hundred years, if that, so they can't really tell you for sure how much the earth has warmed up to begin with.

What they also don't tell you is that the scientific community is far from being unified on the issue of global warming. There is serious disagreement amongst many major scientists about what the data shows. Don't be so quick to believe the alarmists like Gore who conveniently present the "facts" about this issue in his movie but fail to even mention the facts that show the opposite or, at the very least, that humans aren't as responsible for it as they'd like everyone else to believe.

[Rockindeano]

He who is never offended probably doesn't believe in anything strongly enough as he should anyway. Yes, people should have thicker skins than they do but someone who's never offended by anything probably ought to seriously examine their life and find something to believe in.

Thanks for the help, Dr Phil. I am offended at times. You should see the hate mail I have here from BT's finest sweet people. THAT would make your head screw backwards faster than Linda Blairs.

I am saying that the Dems would allow us to develop alternative fuels because the oil barons in this country don't OWN the Democratic Party the way they do their Republican favorite son who's in office.

Yes, true. Here in California, we had a ballot measure, and the Dems and Bill Clinton were advocating alternative fuels. Clinton cited Brazil which is 100% independent of oil...Translated= It can be done. Can you imagine what the United States would be like if we didn't oil? It would free us up so much, we could live in a perfect world....a utopian societey perhaps. Of course, Chevron led opposition dumped millions into the opposite side of the measure and threw in scare tactics. Assholes.

The Republicans and Democrats are both so tied to big oil that you can almost see the rope burns on their collective wrists.

Well, you're half right.

[ohsherrie]

Oh Sherrie.....so well said and so true...hubby and I have discussed those issues many times....
And did u hear that a 25 mile piece of the artic ice glacier broke off two days ago....????what is next? rising oceans? from global warming....???? Gore isn't so far off about that>>!!!!!!

Thanks Carol. Al Gore is dead on about that. It's just not something the current administration, or the Republican Party, wants to address because it would mean requiring their corporate backers to spend money on cleaning up their acts. They'd rather let their evangelical backers keep their followers stirred up about hot button issues like abortion, gay rights, and where the Ten Commandments can be displayed.

I thought two of the tenets this country was founded on were freedom of religion and separation of church and state. Yet we have people like Jerry Falwell all but dictating what will and won't be allowed. The saddest part is that there are so many people who have such a myopic viewpoint that they fall for it. They think that if gay people aren't allowed to marry God will make all the other problems in the world go away.

Damn, I'm getting too into this. Gotta take a break.

[Behshad]

Behshad, Mark H, great posts.

Dean, bin laden is a son of the mighty oil Gods in Saudi Arabia. He's untouchable to our oil worshiping government. If he's caught before he dies of natural causes* it'll be because they have decided they can't possibly stay in power without catching or killing him. Even if they claim to have killed him in some bombing attack where there are no eye witnesses who aren't classified, I won't believe them.

I'm not saying the Dems don't look out for our oil suppliers with the attention that the Reps do. Our economy is so sadly dependent on oil that they have to consider it in all policy decisions involving that region. I am saying that the Dems would allow us to develop alternative fuels because the oil barons in this country don't OWN the Democratic Party the way they do their Republican favorite son who's in office. The only reason we don't have major progress in the utilization of solar, hydro, and aero produced electricty now is because it would cut into oil company profits and economic power too much. As soon as the oil companies have found a way to assure they reap the financial benefits from those alternative sources we'll see them developed to the point where were less dependent of foreign oil.

*I'm not certain if all this talk of his health problems are real or just setting us up for an announcement of his untimely death and thereby getting Bush off the hook.

Bravo! Couldnt have said it better myself!

[conversationpc]

Thanks for the help, Dr Phil. I am offended at times. You should see the hate mail I have here from BT's finest sweet people. THAT would make your head screw backwards faster than Linda Blairs.

I can't stand Dr. Phil. He's nothing more than Captain Obvious. Maybe I ought to get a TV show and get paid millions for telling people things they already know.

[Rick]

Well I still stand behind my original post. There isn't one American Soldiers life that is worth ONE drop of oil. And to say that we are there to democratize their culture is assinine. There is no way you can effect a Democracy on a culture that is that fractured. Dubya and Haliburton is there for the oil and the contracts, that's it, and we went to war over there to protect that, nothing more. It's about nothing but money. All you right wingers can say all you want, but after it's all said and done, our boys are dieing for oil. It's fucking rediculous.

[Rockindeano]

Thanks for the help, Dr Phil. I am offended at times. You should see the hate mail I have here from BT's finest sweet people. THAT would make your head screw backwards faster than Linda Blairs.

I can't stand Dr. Phil. He's nothing more than Captain Obvious. Maybe I ought to get a TV show and get paid millions for telling people things they already know.

Let's rip off Rick Allens other wing and beat the living snot out good ol Dr Phil?

[ohsherrie]

Well I still stand behind my original post. There isn't one American Soldiers life that is worth ONE drop of oil. And to say that we are there to democratize their culture is assinine. There is no way you can effect a Democracy on a culture that is that fractured. Dubya and Haliburton is there for the oil and the contracts, that's it, and we went to war over there to protect that, nothing more. It's about nothing but money. All you right wingers can say all you want, but after it's all said and done, our boys are dieing for oil. It's fucking rediculous.

That's about it shoot, of course we have to remember that W also said, "He tried to kill my dad". Maybe he was just hoping that would get the "bleeding heart family value conservatives" behind him.

[conversationpc]

Thanks for the help, Dr Phil. I am offended at times. You should see the hate mail I have here from BT's finest sweet people. THAT would make your head screw backwards faster than Linda Blairs.

I can't stand Dr. Phil. He's nothing more than Captain Obvious. Maybe I ought to get a TV show and get paid millions for telling people things they already know.

Let's rip off Rick Allens other wing and beat the living snot out good ol Dr Phil?

[Rick]

Well I still stand behind my original post. There isn't one American Soldiers life that is worth ONE drop of oil. And to say that we are there to democratize their culture is assinine. There is no way you can effect a Democracy on a culture that is that fractured. Dubya and Haliburton is there for the oil and the contracts, that's it, and we went to war over there to protect that, nothing more. It's about nothing but money. All you right wingers can say all you want, but after it's all said and done, our boys are dieing for oil. It's fucking rediculous.

That's about it shoot, of course we have to remember that W also said, "He tried to kill my dad". Maybe he was just hoping that would get the "bleeding heart family value conservatives" behind him.

Yes, that and the 911 attack and the WMD debacle to justify his ambitions. It all boils down to him getting control of oil. It's sad, the whole world hates the US now, and it is because of money and greed.

I am sure they will say they've captured and hanged Osama Bin Laden toward the end of his term to help off-set his transgressions and to improve his public opinion.

[ohsherrie]

That's about it shoot, of course we have to remember that W also said, "He tried to kill my dad". Maybe he was just hoping that would get the "bleeding heart family value conservatives" behind him.

Yes, that and the 911 attack and the WMD debacle to justify his ambitions. It all boils down to him getting control of oil. It's sad, the whole world hates the US now, and it is because of money and greed.

I am sure they will say they've captured and hanged Osama Bin Laden toward the end of his term to help off-set his transgressions and to improve his public opinion.

It's pretty saddening and sickening to realize that the things that effect the quality of our lives are all dictated and manipulated by the whims of the rich and powerful. Maybe those who voted for Bush because their pastors told them to, and the NRA idiots who thought Bush would make sure they'd have their AK47s until their guns were pried from their cold, dead hands are truly blessed in their ignorance.

[Rick]

That's about it shoot, of course we have to remember that W also said, "He tried to kill my dad". Maybe he was just hoping that would get the "bleeding heart family value conservatives" behind him.

Yes, that and the 911 attack and the WMD debacle to justify his ambitions. It all boils down to him getting control of oil. It's sad, the whole world hates the US now, and it is because of money and greed.

I am sure they will say they've captured and hanged Osama Bin Laden toward the end of his term to help off-set his transgressions and to improve his public opinion.

It's pretty saddening and sickening to realize that the things that effect the quality of our lives are all dictated and manipulated by the whims of the rich and powerful. Maybe those who voted for Bush because their pastors told them to, and the NRA idiots who thought Bush would make sure they'd have their AK47s until their guns were pried from their cold, dead hands are truly blessed in their ignorance.

Well the Democrats are in crontrol now, and the overwhelming defeat the 'right' have endured with the past elections might say something to them as to how the public is so disgusted by the current administrations current path.
I love the USA, and I definitely love our soldiers that protect our rights, but I do not endorse any military act that is effected to secure anyones monetary gain.

[dcvader]

Thanks for the help, Dr Phil. I am offended at times. You should see the hate mail I have here from BT's finest sweet people. THAT would make your head screw backwards faster than Linda Blairs.

I can't stand Dr. Phil. He's nothing more than Captain Obvious. Maybe I ought to get a TV show and get paid millions for telling people things they already know.

Let's rip off Rick Allens other wing and beat the living snot out good ol Dr Phil?

You got a video of that! That would be worth the price of admission.

[conversationpc]

It's pretty saddening and sickening to realize that the things that effect the quality of our lives are all dictated and manipulated by the whims of the rich and powerful. Maybe those who voted for Bush because their pastors told them to, and the NRA idiots who thought Bush would make sure they'd have their AK47s until their guns were pried from their cold, dead hands are truly blessed in their ignorance.

Give me a break and think for yourself already instead of reciting the liberal mantra about how conservative voters only vote Republican because [sarcasm]their pastors told them to[/sarcasm]. You know, I'm a registered Republican but I'm not happy about it. I would lay odds that my voting record is much more open-minded than yours and most other Democrats. Republican voters no more vote for their candidates because someone told them so that Democrats do. One could also say somethiing like, "Teachers only vote for democrats because their unions told them to" or "Inner city welfare recipients only vote Democrat because they're scared the evil conservatives are going to take their money away".

[Rosebud]

That's about it shoot, of course we have to remember that W also said, "He tried to kill my dad". Maybe he was just hoping that would get the "bleeding heart family value conservatives" behind him.

Yes, that and the 911 attack and the WMD debacle to justify his ambitions. It all boils down to him getting control of oil. It's sad, the whole world hates the US now, and it is because of money and greed.

I am sure they will say they've captured and hanged Osama Bin Laden toward the end of his term to help off-set his transgressions and to improve his public opinion.

It's pretty saddening and sickening to realize that the things that effect the quality of our lives are all dictated and manipulated by the whims of the rich and powerful. Maybe those who voted for Bush because their pastors told them to, and the NRA idiots who thought Bush would make sure they'd have their AK47s until their guns were pried from their cold, dead hands are truly blessed in their ignorance.

I'd like to know where you get most of your readings from Oh Sherrie? Not all people voted for Bush because they "were told to" and not all NRA members own AK47s. There is no reason to fight with you on a Journey board, but your predjudices are showing. Journey fans make up all kinds of demographics.....something to keep in mind in your rants.

[yulog]

Thanks for the help, Dr Phil. I am offended at times. You should see the hate mail I have here from BT's finest sweet people. THAT would make your head screw backwards faster than Linda Blairs.

I can't stand Dr. Phil. He's nothing more than Captain Obvious. Maybe I ought to get a TV show and get paid millions for telling people things they already know.

Thats what all psychiatrists,psychotherapists do they state the obvious to people because basic human behavior tends to ignore clear signs of help and rational thought when they are in crisis. The obvious things that are told to people are often done because that person doesnt realize it,is ignoring obvious signs(normal human defense mechanism) ,or doesnt want to face the truth.

[ohsherrie]

I'd like to know where you get most of your readings from Oh Sherrie? Not all people voted for Bush because they "were told to" and not all NRA members own AK47s. There is no reason to fight with you on a Journey board, but your predjudices are showing. Journey fans make up all kinds of demographics.....something to keep in mind in your rants.

Hi BB, I get my readings from what I see and hear. I don't want to fight either. I know Journey fans come from all demographics and I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I have several brothers in law that belong to the NRA and they don't own assault weapons. They belong to the NRA and vote Rep because they swallow that "out of my cold dead hands" BS and think the Dems will take their hunting guns away. Thankfully my husband is intelligent enough to know his numerous exquisite guns are safe and hates the NRA for the propaganda and lobby machine that it is. It's the people who want to sell the AK47's and such other assault weapons that are behind most of the gun lobbies as well as the PR. My husband says anyone who needs an assault rifle doesn't need to own a gun. He's hunted since he was 12 yrs old and owns guns that would make any hunter's mouth water, but he doesn't own guns designed to kill people.

[Rick]

Well everyone here has to agree on one thing, we can all agree to disagree. Fuck all of this shit, let's talk about Journey and their future. Why would we come here to talk politics? There are too many other forums to debate that shit. Right?
Drop this thread and lets talk about Journey.

I respect you all and your opinions, but why bust it out here?

Journey is what this forum is about, so shut the fuck up about politics, it is an uncomfortable subject, no?

[ohsherrie]

Well everyone here has to agree on one thing, we can all agree to disagree. Fuck all of this shit, let's talk about Journey and their future. Why would we come here to talk politics? There are too many other forums to debate that shit. Right?
Drop this thread and lets talk about Journey.

I respect you all and your opinions, but why bust it out here?

Journey is what this forum is about, so shut the fuck up about politics, it is an uncomfortable subject, no?

Good idea. I'm outta here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

John Kerry said:

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

Hillary Clinton said:

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Both quotes that were later recanted.
Hillary and Kerry voted for the war strictly for political aims.

True conservatives and liberals (Pat Buchanan and James Carville, alike) saw this war as the patriot-baiting snowjob that it was from day 1.

[The_Noble_Cause]

think BIG PICTURE, not just Iraq.

Gee, that sounds great, unfortunately, this well-orchestrated continent-spanning anti-terrorist schema resides STRICTLY in your imagination.

We are bogged down in Iraq while the true megalomaniacs of the world (N. Korea, Iran) are building up a doomsday arsenal that would make Dr. Evil turn positively green with envy.

Get real.

[The_Noble_Cause]

For a peak at what people think about those on the left that spew all this crap, take a look at this video of one of those nuts that tried to interview Danny Bonaduce. This is the kind of smackdown that some of those folks deserve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Iho2B_qLU

LOVE THAT. Assholes who live in this country and still try to make the U.S. the enemy in the eyes of other countries should be ashamed of themselves.

And when interviewed on Fox News, Bonaduce admitted that he doesn't follow politics at all.
Danny is funny as fuck, but I wouldn't defer to him when it comes to world events.
For those that think Bush isn't a liar, I have three words for you:
Downing. Street. Memo.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Saddam's condamnation is illegal: taken by a kangaroo court, under a foreign occupation of a sovreign nation that has NO legitimate grounds.
Might want to take some pumice soap to your hands and scrub just a little more aggressively today, fellow Americans.
We have blood on our hands.

The spilling of blood from a homicidal dictator is spilt blood all the same.

I'm amazed at this. You're one of the many people who reacted as if SA committed murder by lip-synching. You joined the crusade to be judge, jury, and executioner to expose and remove him from his throne. You've got SA's "blood" all over your body. You've rubbed it in - deeply - sensually massaging your every fiber of being.

Wow.

Here we have Saddam who has TRULY committed murder and your worried about his blood...?

I can't understand your priorities.

[NealIsGod]

For a peak at what people think about those on the left that spew all this crap, take a look at this video of one of those nuts that tried to interview Danny Bonaduce. This is the kind of smackdown that some of those folks deserve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Iho2B_qLU

LOVE THAT. Assholes who live in this country and still try to make the U.S. the enemy in the eyes of other countries should be ashamed of themselves.

And when interviewed on Fox News, Bonaduce admitted that he doesn't follow politics at all.
Danny is funny as fuck, but I wouldn't defer to him when it comes to world events.
For those that think Bush isn't a liar, I have three words for you:
Downing. Street. Memo.

Show me one politician who isn't a liar.

[donnaplease]

Show me one politician who isn't a liar.

Hi Niggy!! Like your new sig.

[NealIsGod]

Show me one politician who isn't a liar.

Hi Niggy!! Like your new sig.

Hi, donna. Thanks, saw it in the movie "Invincible" on a sign in a Philly bar. Had to claim it.

[ohsherrie]

For a peak at what people think about those on the left that spew all this crap, take a look at this video of one of those nuts that tried to interview Danny Bonaduce. This is the kind of smackdown that some of those folks deserve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Iho2B_qLU

LOVE THAT. Assholes who live in this country and still try to make the U.S. the enemy in the eyes of other countries should be ashamed of themselves.

And when interviewed on Fox News, Bonaduce admitted that he doesn't follow politics at all.
Danny is funny as fuck, but I wouldn't defer to him when it comes to world events.
For those that think Bush isn't a liar, I have three words for you:
Downing. Street. Memo.

Show me one politician who isn't a liar.

I wish I could, whatever their party affiliation. Then there might actually be real hope for a solution to the mess this country is in.

'Mornin' NIG, had your coffee yet?