CMN show from 1999

[cittadeeno23]

Thanks Sterling. That's what I figured. CMC pushing the band probably wouldn't have caused all the ugliness that happened after, with the law-suit and everything.

Even if they had somehow worked things out, I seriously doubt Dennis would have been willing to tour 24/7 like the band has been doing.
However, they wouldn't need to tour 24/7 if Dennis was in the band because they would be drawing 10,000 people per show if it was Dennis and Tommy together!

Jimmy

[styxfanNH]

However, they wouldn't need to tour 24/7 if Dennis was in the band because they would be drawing 10,000 people per show if it was Dennis and Tommy together!

Jimmy

You are kidding. Even with Dennis, they wouldn't get 10,000 at a show on a regulat basis. Both by themselves are playing to 2500-3000 seat venues. At best if Dennis was there, 5000 would be the regular audience for 50 -60 shows a year.

[StyxCollector]

However, they wouldn't need to tour 24/7 if Dennis was in the band because they would be drawing 10,000 people per show if it was Dennis and Tommy together!

Jimmy

You are kidding. Even with Dennis, they wouldn't get 10,000 at a show on a regulat basis. Both by themselves are playing to 2500-3000 seat venues. At best if Dennis was there, 5000 would be the regular audience for 50 -60 shows a year.

True to some degree. Part of the reason that Styx has issues is that they have toured too damn much. Styx could co-headline big sheds again (like Journey/Def Leppard, which was truly co-headliners) if they played less. So 5 - 10,000 seaters could be possible in some markets. But the reality is that on their own, they are looking at theaters which are about 5k - 6k.

[cittadeeno23]

They do tour a lot since Dennis was kicked out.
Maybe I was off with my 10K per show, but they draw better when Tommy and Dennis are together and wouldn't need to do as many shows to rake in as much cash.
Anyway, that's not going to happen again, so it's a moot point!

But the 10 shows I went to in 1996/97 were all full, large places.
I did see them in a tiny place post Dennis (around 2000) and it was cool to see them up close. I even got to shake Tommy's hand as they were leaving the stage.

[StyxCollector]

They do tour a lot since Dennis was kicked out.
Maybe I was off with my 10K per show, but they draw better when Tommy and Dennis are together and wouldn't need to do as many shows to rake in as much cash.

It's about the rate of touring. If they played with DDY as much - even just the summer sheds year after year - the audience would dwindle. There was a noticeable drop from 1996 to 1997 in the shows that I saw. To keep playing the sheds and even be a co-headliner, you have to go away every now and then. Why would I want to drag my ass out to see virtually the same set list I can probably go see 2- 3 times a year in a venue near me?

[styxfanNH]

Also don't discount that Tommy and JY both like to be out there on a stage playing, so the number of dates they do center around that.

The problem comes that Tommy has all these other side projects that he works on or is a part of and could easily tour with them. JY only has Styx, as does Chuck.

I don't think that anyof them are crying for the money today, so that is kinda off the table. Not saying they don't like the income, but they all should be financially ok at this point.

[brywool]

With Dennis back in, we might see Styx once every 6 years. No thanks.

[styxfanNH]

Dennis does 30 shows or so a year now. If they were together, you would likely see a 50 date tour a year, primarily in the summer.

[StyxCollector]

With Dennis back in, we might see Styx once every 6 years. No thanks.

I don't think so, but every other year would be more than fine.

[FormerDJMike]

This is the first time I have seen the CMN show. Thanks for posting it. I did not have time to watch it but skimmed thru each cut. Glen seems to hide out in the dark LOL. Maybe that is just the parts I saw.

As for me personally, I have decided to move on from Styx. I still love them and will still listen to them but I am not going to buy any more albums after 3 disappointing releases (CYO which I do not own, Big Bang and Cyclo -- while there were some good tracks I have touched either in ages and was disappointed in both). I saw them in May and when I went I knew it was my last time to see them and I was OK with that. Heck, I got to go on stage before the band and talk about the show (just not intro the band) & I see that as capping off my radio carreer too (as I never went back to the station after that show and never returned their calls when they called). Got to meet JY, Tommy, Ricky and Larry. All were very nice and extra nice to my 14 year old son. But I saw it as my "going away party" as I have decided to move on to other things. That doesn't mean I don't support the current line-up, they are free to do what they want in my book but I choose to move on. I guess they are something I have finally out-grown so to speak.

Again, thanks for sharing the CMN show I have always wanted to see it. Will have to watch it again in its entirety when I have time.

Mike

[StyxCollector]

I just watched it probably for the first time since about 2001. Knowing what I know now, it's fascinating. The interview at the end is fun - especially where DDY talks about parts not being replacable. Unless you were in the know at the time, that comment slipped right by.

By the time "Come Sail Away" rolled around and DDY changed the intro, that the reality it may be his last performance with Tommy and JY seemed to sink in. DDY definitely seemed somber overall.

Although I have to say - the Tele TS is using is the wrong sound on some of those songs. I also forgot that JY was still using the Kramers at that point!

By no means was it as good of a way to cap a lineup as Pink Floyd at Live 8, but considering all of the pressure and tension in the band at the time, for them to pull it off with minor screwups and even do some of the same schtick (i.e. DDY going over to TS with his mic during the chorus to CSA), it's amazing.

[shaka]

I just watched it probably for the first time since about 2001. Knowing what I know now, it's fascinating. The interview at the end is fun - especially where DDY talks about parts not being replacable. Unless you were in the know at the time, that comment slipped right by.

By the time "Come Sail Away" rolled around and DDY changed the intro, that the reality it may be his last performance with Tommy and JY seemed to sink in. DDY definitely seemed somber overall.

Although I have to say - the Tele TS is using is the wrong sound on some of those songs. I also forgot that JY was still using the Kramers at that point!

By no means was it as good of a way to cap a lineup as Pink Floyd at Live 8, but considering all of the pressure and tension in the band at the time, for them to pull it off with minor screwups and even do some of the same schtick (i.e. DDY going over to TS with his mic during the chorus to CSA), it's amazing.

I always thought it was weird that Tommy being the old school Les Paul guy played a single coil pickup tele and JY the vintage strat guy was playing Kramers with humbuckers. Threw off the sound for me too. With that said I sure love a nice Tele.

Eric

[StyxCollector]

I always thought it was weird that Tommy being the old school Les Paul guy played a single coil pickup tele and JY the vintage strat guy was playing Kramers with humbuckers. Threw off the sound for me too. With that said I sure love a nice Tele.

Eric

I love a Tele myself, but in this context it just didn't work. Although I have to say I'm glad JY finally retired the Kramers a few years back.

[stabbim]

By no means was it as good of a way to cap a lineup as Pink Floyd at Live 8, but considering all of the pressure and tension in the band at the time, for them to pull it off with minor screwups and even do some of the same schtick (i.e. DDY going over to TS with his mic during the chorus to CSA), it's amazing.

True. I would tend to think of RTP as the Styx equivalent to the Live 8 gig. And for similar reasons, it's probably a very good thing that the Floyd haven't tried to tour extensively &/or produce a record together since then.

[shaka]

I always thought it was weird that Tommy being the old school Les Paul guy played a single coil pickup tele and JY the vintage strat guy was playing Kramers with humbuckers. Threw off the sound for me too. With that said I sure love a nice Tele.

Eric

I love a Tele myself, but in this context it just didn't work. Although I have to say I'm glad JY finally retired the Kramers a few years back.

?

I think JY takes a while to adjust for whatever reason. It took him a long time to put away the pointy Kramers and get back to the strats. I still think he should go back to the single coil bridge pickup and get rid of the Floyd Rose trem. Then he'd sound like JY.

It also took JY a long time to lose the mustache and get a decent haircut.

Listen to me, the hypocrite. I just bought a flying V and have been wanting to pick up a Kramer like I had in high school. I'm still a vintage guitar junkie but for some reason I'm experiencing a nastalgia for pointy guitars.