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Dunk wrote:[Tommy at this point says Dennis came back angry and basically took control of the band.]
Yeah. I guess he should have been doing friggin' cartwheels that he got fired. Who wouldn't be angry? Anyone would be angry. Tommy was only in the band for 4 years at that point and starts bitching about Dennis and his slow songs. "Why'd they let that happen"? What was the reason that "Never Say Never" and "Boat on the river" were on that album?! They were far from rocking. As for J.Y. "working his ass off for Styx" I think Dennis worked just as hard if not harder (he did write and sing more songs and therefore had to sing more in concert).
I think we all work with people we don't like. But at the end of the day you don't have to go home with them.
Dunk wrote:[Tommy at this point says Dennis came back angry and basically took control of the band.]
Yeah. I guess he should have been doing friggin' cartwheels that he got fired. Who wouldn't be angry? Anyone would be angry. Tommy was only in the band for 4 years at that point and starts bitching about Dennis and his slow songs. "Why'd they let that happen"? What was the reason that "Never Say Never" and "Boat on the river" were on that album?! They were far from rocking. As for J.Y. "working his ass off for Styx" I think Dennis worked just as hard if not harder (he did write and sing more songs and therefore had to sing more in concert).
I think we all work with people we don't like. But at the end of the day you don't have to go home with them.
Grotelul wrote:Some people here just refuse to try and understand what the rest of the band may have gone through. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter because they did make some wonderful music together. I just think there was a missed opportunity mainly due to one person being selfish.
Grotelul wrote:When you are young and looking for success, you can put up with crap to get there. This can take a tremendous toll on a person especially when you are working as hard as this band did from 1975-1983. Dennis had his issues in 1977 with needing to see a doctor and finally deciding to take his family on the road. This reminds me of the part in Spinal Tap when David St. Hubbins girlfriend shows up on the road and suddenly the seams start to tear between David and Nigel. Dennis as his nature would be to write ballads decides to present Babe to the band in 1979. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the others heard this song and I hope this is covered in Sterlings book. JY and Tommy no doubt had to bend over to allow this song to be on the record along with First Time. Why they let this happen, who knows and I would be curious what kind of arrangement the band had at the time. Obviously all five members had a say in band decisions. Dennis must have been really persuasive. You can't argue with the success that did come as Babe became a #1 song and made a ton of money for these guys. At some point in '79 when they all got together at the Holiday Inn to toss Dennis out of the band, they decided the alternatives were not going to bring them where they wanted to go. Tommy at this point says Dennis came back angry and basically took control of the band. So through PT and KWH Dennis has the lead and they make a ton of money. JY was for sure playing a role in this band that he never envisioned by this time and same with Tommy but when you are making a ton of money you put up with it. I liken it to a job that I have where you are getting paid great but you stuggle daily with doing it. There comes a point when you say enough of this BS and go on to something else, money or not. JY has stated when he was younger, he was willing to put up with contstant crap. Now at his age and in this day where these guys are not going to sell millions of CD's or be a headline act, why bother putting up with this shit. The opportunity to go out and play music which is what he loves to do and record once in awhile without all the hassle would be attractive to me to. He busted his tail all of those years and I think deserves a chance to be happy.
Dunk wrote:You know, a lot of people say that the success of Styx was the culmination of all 5 guys and not just Dennis. Well, it was the same for what ruined them. No one but those 5 guys really knows what went on behind the scenes. If they were able to all rally together and fire Dennis in 1979. How in the hell was he able to come back after being re-hired and take control of the band?? Seems to me he would have been kept on a very short leash if he were indeed that difficult. Really what were Tommy and J.Y. bringing to the table between 79-80? Dennis came back and out sprang the concept for Paradise Theater, one of their highest charting and biggest records as well their largest tour. What exactly were Tommy and J.Y. offering up? Better yet how hard were they trying to prevent it? If they never let Dennis back in 79 what would have been the outcome from that? How far would Styx have gone and who would people be blaming today for what ruined them?
Dunk wrote:You do realize that I wasn't trying to turn this into a DDY vs. T.S. and J.Y. thing. What I'm trying to say is they all need to shoulder their share of the blame. Dennis isn't solely responsible for what killed Styx.
I was also trying to point out that Tommy and J.Y. weren't bringing much to the table as far as the direction the band needed to go in. J.Y. obviously was quite content to sit back and watch someone else come up with the ideas. He seemed content to have his 1 song per record. And really....did anyone want more than that?
They both have bitched about it enough, although Tommy's less vocal about it these days. Whereas J.Y. loves to remind anyone that will listen. But what did they do about it at the time? They hired him back. Couldn't have been too bad.
But again. None of us as fans were there.
Does anyone really think it was Yoko or Linda that broke up the Beatles? I don't. Those 4 personalities were what broke them up.
Some people here just refuse to try and understand what the rest of the band may have gone through. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter because they did make some wonderful music together. I just think there was a missed opportunity mainly due to one person being selfish.
Ash wrote:ya know... even *I* am tired of talking about this
ISn't it amazing that the new peeps say they have been lurking for a while and then get surprised when someone responds to their post?
Zan wrote:Grotelul wrote:Some people here just refuse to try and understand what the rest of the band may have gone through. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter because they did make some wonderful music together. I just think there was a missed opportunity mainly due to one person being selfish.
Oh, Grotelul...lol
I feel the pain of which you are about to endure.
shaka wrote:No offense but from a musicianship perspective this is the best lineup Styx has ever had. I think Chuck would agree with that. Both Todd and Ricky were top flight session guys before Styx. From a musicianship standpoint they are certainly better players than John and Chuck. I do not say this to take anything away from John and Chuck as I've always enjoyed their playing.
I doubt Chuck is offended at all when JY says that. Besides, they consider Chuck a part of the lineup.
Grotelul wrote:Zan wrote:Grotelul wrote:Some people here just refuse to try and understand what the rest of the band may have gone through. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter because they did make some wonderful music together. I just think there was a missed opportunity mainly due to one person being selfish.
Oh, Grotelul...lol
I feel the pain of which you are about to endure.
Pain? Nah...I enjoy it...especially after a crap week of work![]()
I was really just hoping it would generate a response from Sterling for some accurate info
Rockwriter wrote: JY has a right to be happy, but does he seem happy to you in his interviews? He seems angrier now, to me, than before. Sterling
StyxCollector wrote:I tend to agree with Sterling here. JY is the wrong public face of Styx and quite frankly despite what I feel was a decent interview with him, it was light years away from the ones I've done with both DDY and TS. I've tried to get a TS interview for S/B, but to no avail. I think an updated Tommy interview is in order. (Side note: I'm excited to see them here in Boston on Thursday.)
I mean, it's a basic thing that only you know what makes you happy. I think it's taken DDY awhile, and he's hit his groove and isn't necessarily trying to compare A to B. JY always as Sterling says is trying to say this is the best version of Styx - ever. You don't have to shit on your past to enjoy the present. I've said many times that some changes to the set list would really help some fans out. So what if Gowan can't sing "The Best of Times"? Have Tommy do it. Big deal. Sure, you'd have to pay DDY royalties on it, but you may also make some folks very happy. I'm not going to go out on a limb and say play "Babe" as we all know they'll avoid that one like the plague.
StyxCollector wrote:I tend to agree with Sterling here. JY is the wrong public face of Styx and quite frankly despite what I feel was a decent interview with him, it was light years away from the ones I've done with both DDY and TS. I've tried to get a TS interview for S/B, but to no avail. I think an updated Tommy interview is in order. (Side note: I'm excited to see them here in Boston on Thursday.)
I mean, it's a basic thing that only you know what makes you happy. I think it's taken DDY awhile, and he's hit his groove and isn't necessarily trying to compare A to B. JY always as Sterling says is trying to say this is the best version of Styx - ever. You don't have to shit on your past to enjoy the present. I've said many times that some changes to the set list would really help some fans out. So what if Gowan can't sing "The Best of Times"? Have Tommy do it. Big deal. Sure, you'd have to pay DDY royalties on it, but you may also make some folks very happy. I'm not going to go out on a limb and say play "Babe" as we all know they'll avoid that one like the plague.
Grotelul wrote:JY may not be the best to be the public face for Styx, but it sounds like he is stuck with it for now and so is the public. What is he supposed to say about the current lineup? Yeah...it just doesn't equal up to the lineup we had in the past. Larry can't sing like Dennis, my voice is not as good. It's just not the same. Boy...huh huh ..I don't know why anyone would come to see us play.
Grotelul wrote:I don't think he means it to sound like you or anyone else is making it out to be. I think he's saying, come on out to the show, hear some great songs and some great musicianship. Nothing wrong with trying to sell your band, especially with all negativity in some circles about the current lineup.
StyxCollector wrote:JY can promote the present by not slamming the past - it's the way it comes across. He has to know that by now.
I've seen Styx plenty of times post-1999. Selling it is one thing, but if he took the approach you said (come on out, have a good time, etc.), that'd be fine. Instead, he doesn't. He seems to find a way to get digs in. If he would just realize that if he took the high road, played some of the songs which helped get him where he was (such as "The Best of Times"), fans would come back more than him trying too hard to sell them on the lineup. Word of mouth is the best advertising.
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