Here Ya Go Tommy Shaw

[Rockwriter]

Oh I know, I just wanted to list it!



I DO think Bono's a good singer. I think Bonjovi stinks these days. MAJOR lip syncher.
They crucified Augeri, how come nobody goes after bonjovi?

You want someone to go after Bon Jovi, here goes . . . . Jon can't sing live for shit!!!!! How about that? He's another really good example of someone who has a great sense of how to put himself across, but is not that musically talented. He's mediocre, but pretty, in my view at least. His fans like him for reasons apart from musical talent.

Sterling

[stabbim]

. . . the fact of the matter is, the average non-musician who listens to a group on the radio grabs onto the singer first and foremost, whether that singer is a great, technically accomplished singer or not. Most people are almost completely unable to tell one drummer or bass player from another, but virtually everyone can tell singers apart. So in a commercially successful band, singers become one of the most important members.

Right. Like I said, it's all down to marketing. Singers are considered more iconic and "valuable" than instrumentalists because our pop culture has deemed it so. It has nothing to do with relative chops, training, gear....or, to be frank, music.

It's a prejudice that I don't care for, and that's why I tend to gravitate towards bands either with multiple singers &/or equal emphasis on the instrumental side of things.

Oh, and Tom Petty is a damn good songwriter. IMO.

[brywool]

Oh I know, I just wanted to list it!



I DO think Bono's a good singer. I think Bonjovi stinks these days. MAJOR lip syncher.
They crucified Augeri, how come nobody goes after bonjovi?

You want someone to go after Bon Jovi, here goes . . . . Jon can't sing live for shit!!!!! How about that? He's another really good example of someone who has a great sense of how to put himself across, but is not that musically talented. He's mediocre, but pretty, in my view at least. His fans like him for reasons apart from musical talent.

Sterling

When I watch Jon live, I feel like I'm watching David Cassidy circa 1973. In fact, when I was a kid THAT was my first concert because my mom worked for a newspaper and she had to cover it. I swear Jon, does the same moves. Not sure what he does with his voice, but he gets this REALLY TINNY annoying tone on his vowels. Drives me nuts.
Sambora- that's another story. I dig Richie's guitar playing in a big way. Jon though, looks like a dork with his over dramatic moves.

[Rockwriter]

. . . the fact of the matter is, the average non-musician who listens to a group on the radio grabs onto the singer first and foremost, whether that singer is a great, technically accomplished singer or not. Most people are almost completely unable to tell one drummer or bass player from another, but virtually everyone can tell singers apart. So in a commercially successful band, singers become one of the most important members.

Right. Like I said, it's all down to marketing. Singers are considered more iconic and "valuable" than instrumentalists because our pop culture has deemed it so. It has nothing to do with relative chops, training, gear....or, to be frank, music.

It's a prejudice that I don't care for, and that's why I tend to gravitate towards bands either with multiple singers &/or equal emphasis on the instrumental side of things.

Oh, and Tom Petty is a damn good songwriter. IMO.

I actually think he's good within the context of what he does. I would say that he is not really capable of any surprises . . . you kinda know what his new album is going to sound like before you buy it. But if you like what he does, he does it well. I own a couple of his records and always enjoy them.


Sterling

[stmonkeys]

. . . the fact of the matter is, the average non-musician who listens to a group on the radio grabs onto the singer first and foremost, whether that singer is a great, technically accomplished singer or not. Most people are almost completely unable to tell one drummer or bass player from another, but virtually everyone can tell singers apart. So in a commercially successful band, singers become one of the most important members.

Right. Like I said, it's all down to marketing. Singers are considered more iconic and "valuable" than instrumentalists because our pop culture has deemed it so. It has nothing to do with relative chops, training, gear....or, to be frank, music.

It's a prejudice that I don't care for, and that's why I tend to gravitate towards bands either with multiple singers &/or equal emphasis on the instrumental side of things.

Oh, and Tom Petty is a damn good songwriter. IMO.

one of scott's partners was heavily involved with the begining stages of bonjovi. he was partly responsible for "the look". they took the demos around to local malls and high schools, played it for some kids, and asked what they thought the band looked like, etc. they built the image around what the replies were, and thats why bon jovi looked like a bunch of hip mall rats Plus, jon's dad was a hairstylist. LOL (free highlights, anyone?)

[shaka]

I always thought Sambora could sing circles around Bon Jovi.

[stabbim]

Oh, and Tom Petty is a damn good songwriter. IMO.

I actually think he's good within the context of what he does. I would say that he is not really capable of any surprises . . . you kinda know what his new album is going to sound like before you buy it. But if you like what he does, he does it well.

Precisely. To me, that's what makes him great. Within his limitations, he manages to keep mixing up those 3 and a half chords to create new tunes, and it never feels like just retreading the same ground. Weakness into strength and whatnot, as DDY would say.

[bugsymalone]

Oh I know, I just wanted to list it!



I DO think Bono's a good singer. I think Bonjovi stinks these days. MAJOR lip syncher.
They crucified Augeri, how come nobody goes after bonjovi?

You want someone to go after Bon Jovi, here goes . . . . Jon can't sing live for shit!!!!! How about that? He's another really good example of someone who has a great sense of how to put himself across, but is not that musically talented. He's mediocre, but pretty, in my view at least. His fans like him for reasons apart from musical talent.

Sterling

This topic went off the rails, as usual, but my .02 on the latest topic, Mister Jovi. I always felt that he was using a "stage" voice for his rock "sound." I put that all in quotes because you can hear him throw his voice high up in the back of his throat and create a fakey rock singer growl. It is by no means his "real" voice. I heard him, a long time ago and cannot remember where or when, sing in his normal voice an it is nothing like the rock voice. It is sort of plain and uninteresting, but not awful.

That said, Bon Jovi was always an image band. One of those very competent bands that had a really hot lead singer, and some hot guys backing him up, who could carry off that job very well. There were many back in the 80's but Bon Jovi certainly learned how to hang onto the fame and keep their career alive and actually sell new music.

On thing that certainly helped was keeping the original band intact.

And Jon Bon Jovi will be making the ultimate record sales boosting appearance on American Idol this year.

Can anyone say big-time lip sync of something from the new CD on results night?

Bugsy

[stmonkeys]

you mean like the way gwenie lip synched her way through wednesday nite?

while on the topic of BJ, who else cringes when he does the falsetto in runaway? AAAAAAACCKKK!! i can't believe they released it that way! put a screaming guitar solo there instead. just remove the "aaaaahhh she's a little runawaaaayyy" altogether. completely ruins the song.

and when they first toured, jon didn't want to take vocal lessons. then they opened up for the scorpions. after day 2, he started taking lessons.