OT: ohsherrie

[Rockindeano]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

Hell, under that theory, I guess certain "presidents of the United States" are at the bottom of their graduating class.

Certain "Presidents of the United States" finished higher in his class than certain "former Vice Presidents of the United States"

Yeah and certain "presidents" miraculousy found about 35,000 votes in a certain southern state to become president, when it is obvious a certain "Vice President" had many more votes and is clearly more intelligent than the current "piece of shit president."

I remember miraculously finding dimpled chads and the term "voters intent". Gore was trying to move the goalpost after the ball was kicked he lost and never led. Get over it. Anyone who can conjure up "carbon credit" scam for dipshits in the country to fall for is pretty brilliant

Funny you say that. Granted, there are a lot of stupider than stupid Democrats out there, but there are also blinded soccer moms who do as King Karl tells them. The double punched ballots that had Gore AND Buchanon were obviously tainted. Even Buchanon himself laughed at this. He said, " I believe those votes are Mr Gores." But, why bitch about it. We have endured our punishment. Thanks to this Administration, we can look forward to many years of no ruling republicans. Bush has fucked it all up for the GOP. Thank you George.

[RedWingFan]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

Hell, under that theory, I guess certain "presidents of the United States" are at the bottom of their graduating class.

Certain "Presidents of the United States" finished higher in his class than certain "former Vice Presidents of the United States"

Yeah and certain "presidents" miraculousy found about 35,000 votes in a certain southern state to become president, when it is obvious a certain "Vice President" had many more votes and is clearly more intelligent than the current "piece of shit president."

I remember miraculously finding dimpled chads and the term "voters intent". Gore was trying to move the goalpost after the ball was kicked he lost and never led. Get over it. Anyone who can conjure up "carbon credit" scam for dipshits in the country to fall for is pretty brilliant

Funny you say that. Granted, there are a lot of stupider than stupid Democrats out there, but there are also blinded soccer moms who do as King Karl tells them. The double punched ballots that had Gore AND Buchanon were obviously tainted. Even Buchanon himself laughed at this. He said, " I believe those votes are Mr Gores." But, why bitch about it. We have endured our punishment. Thanks to this Administration, we can look forward to many years of no ruling republicans. Bush has fucked it all up for the GOP. Thank you George.

Wouldn't bet on that. The only reason Dems won control was running "conservative" dems like Shuler in republican states. The liberal democratic leadership will blow it. Sorry

[chf34jmac]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

[RedWingFan]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

Umm yeah, but Gore didn't fuck it up. He bought "carbon credits" didn't you hear? Anyway, did you know that 1 volcanic eruption causes more pollution than the entire U.S. Industrial age to date?

[Lula]

To suggest teachers are less intelligent in some way, from the bottom of their class, or lazy is BSand quite frankly, insulting. I had a few careers before I became a teacher. I worked in publishing, marketing, music, and ran art galleries. My passion is in the classroom and I clearly went into the field for the benefits of serving children. As for striking, it comes to a vote. I've never voted to strike. Think how you'd feel if you recieved a 3% raise over two years and the next offered was another 3%... not even a cost of living raise. That is where our unions do what we pay them to do. The need for me to spend from my own pocket comes from red tape administative/board BS. Because I do care about my students I'll do it, but that will surely be coming to an end with twins on the way.

You guys are getting passionate over the teacher/education situation, but not being in the classroom doing the job leaves you a little unclear on the reality of what is going on.

[Rockindeano]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

[Melissa]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

That's why I said "typically". What burns my ass though is when you pick you major or career in college. You have a estimated yearly salary with it. Ask any teacher, "why did you want to become a teacher?" The typical answer is, "well I love working with kids...etc" Then they strike cuz they don't make enough cash. Cash wasn't your motivation, but now it is? I understand it's human nature to take what you can get. But don't turn around and say I have to pay for it or go to jail!

I somewhat understand your point, but do you know teachers have to pay out of their own pockets for classroom supplies? THAT is ridiculous.
They get paid dogshit.

Yep, can't tell you how many supplies we've donated this year for our son's class, since I know his teacher was paying for so many things herself. I volunteer there on my time off work when I can (& I'm 1 of only about 4 or 5 parents who even bother to do so), & it amazed me how many parents completely ignored the school supply list & didn't get the essentials needed for each child. And then never bother to send in 1 darn thing the rest of the year so far. And I don't want to hear they can't afford to help out either, not when they drop their kids off from gigantic SUV's.

[Rockindeano]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

Umm yeah, but Gore didn't fuck it up. He bought "carbon credits" didn't you hear? Anyway, did you know that 1 volcanic eruption causes more pollution than the entire U.S. Industrial age to date?

So your saying it's ok for another factory/business to dump their smoky shit in the sky and hide behind Capitalism as an excuse?

Just who was it who had the Kyoto Agreement overturned in the holy name of Capitalism?

[Ms_M]

Wings, it does a special person to WANT TO TEACH......I wouldn't say they are all dumbshits.

That's why I said "typically". What burns my ass though is when you pick you major or career in college. You have a estimated yearly salary with it. Ask any teacher, "why did you want to become a teacher?" The typical answer is, "well I love working with kids...etc" Then they strike cuz they don't make enough cash. Cash wasn't your motivation, but now it is? I understand it's human nature to take what you can get. But don't turn around and say I have to pay for it or go to jail!

I somewhat understand your point, but do you know teachers have to pay out of their own pockets for classroom supplies? THAT is ridiculous.
They get paid dogshit.

Yep, can't tell you how many supplies we've donated this year for our son's class, since I know his teacher was paying for so many things herself. I volunteer there on my time off work when I can (& I'm 1 of only about 4 or 5 parents who even bother to do so), & it amazed me how many parents completely ignored the school supply list & didn't get the essentials needed for each child. And then never bother to send in 1 darn thing the rest of the year so far. And I don't want to hear they can't afford to help out either, not when they drop their kids off from gigantic SUV's.

Oh yea - those kids are usually on free lunch, too!!!

[cookieduster]

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

Al might have done some of his homework, but Hollywood had this script and searced for talent to promote it. He needed the job. I'm not slighting him, but someone else would have done it if not him.

[conversationpc]

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

It is a fact that there is global warming going on. No good scientist disputes that. What is disputed is whether anything man is doing is making it worse. There is nowhere near a consensus amongst scientists on that and yet politicians want to enact huge amounts of additional taxation and crippling restrictions against businesses that probably aren't going to help.

I'm all for reasonable laws that protect the environment but nowhere near the ridiculous extreme that Al Gore wants.

[Rick]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

Gore is definitely a good man. As soon as was possible after Katrina, he chartered several American Airlines planes from DFW. I was lucky enough to go down with him and a crew of about 20 to bring supplies and help evacuate some very appreciative victims of the hurricane. He was right there along side us carrying supplies and loading the plastic bags that contained what was left of these evacuees lives. He was very pleasant and gracious. He followed the orders just like the rest of us, as it was a FEMA controlled operation.

[RedWingFan]

Think how you'd feel if you recieved a 3% raise over two years and the next offered was another 3%... not even a cost of living raise. That is where our unions do what we pay them to do.

If it makes you feel better, we aren't unionized and I haven't had a raise in 4 YEARS!!!! We have "sister" facilities that were unionized that have been shut down, because the cost of running the place artificially ballooned and was closed because it wasn't financially successful! That's how it works with market forces. But to hide behind the gov't to protect jobs at the cost of the kids learning that's choked by beuracrats is wrong!

[Rockindeano]

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

Al might have done some of his homework, but Hollywood had this script and searced for talent to promote it. He needed the job. I'm not slighting him, but someone else would have done it if not him.

Searched for talent to promote it?


I am talking of Gores' tireless work ethic on getting the word out about us fucking up our planet for our children, and the need to fix it sooner rather than later.

Some like St John simply say, "Fuck Earth Day." That is unacceptable.

[conversationpc]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

Umm yeah, but Gore didn't fuck it up. He bought "carbon credits" didn't you hear? Anyway, did you know that 1 volcanic eruption causes more pollution than the entire U.S. Industrial age to date?

So your saying it's ok for another factory/business to dump their smoky shit in the sky and hide behind Capitalism as an excuse?

Just who was it who had the Kyoto Agreement overturned in the holy name of Capitalism?

The Kyoto Accords are so bad that not even ONE senator voted for it. It's terrible legislation that doesn't hold other countries to the same standards.

[RedWingFan]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

Umm yeah, but Gore didn't fuck it up. He bought "carbon credits" didn't you hear? Anyway, did you know that 1 volcanic eruption causes more pollution than the entire U.S. Industrial age to date?

So your saying it's ok for another factory/business to dump their smoky shit in the sky and hide behind Capitalism as an excuse?

Just who was it who had the Kyoto Agreement overturned in the holy name of Capitalism?

No I'm not saying that at all. Regulations are needed, just making the point of how insignificant we are.

Oh you support Kyoto? The agreement of change that if enacted fully, the change would be too small to measure! That's a fact! At the cost of how much in American dollars and jobs.

[Rockindeano]

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

It is a fact that there is global warming going on. No good scientist disputes that. What is disputed is whether anything man is doing is making it worse. There is nowhere near a consensus amongst scientists on that and yet politicians want to enact huge amounts of additional taxation and crippling restrictions against businesses that probably aren't going to help.

I'm all for reasonable laws that protect the environment but nowhere near the ridiculous extreme that Al Gore wants.

That is why conservatives are close minded. So big deal? Tax us more. Would you rather sniffle at some tax hike and guess whether the planet can be saved, or pay the fees and take your chances?

I know, hearing the name Gore scares the hell out of you republicans. This isn't a Democrat v GOP issue. This isn't even a Capitalism v Socialism v Communism issue. This is a WORLD issue. We better listen and make a change in government. The window is about 8-10 years to get a hold of this. I am all for Gore here. He has been proven right. We need to afford him the benefit of the doubt and listen to his ideas and if possible, act upon them.

[cookieduster]

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

Al might have done some of his homework, but Hollywood had this script and searced for talent to promote it. He needed the job. I'm not slighting him, but someone else would have done it if not him.

Searched for talent to promote it?


I am talking of Gores' tireless work ethic on getting the word out about us fucking up our planet for our children, and the need to fix it sooner rather than later.

Some like St John simply say, "Fuck Earth Day." That is unacceptable.

Well he gets paid handsomely for his works and he loves the limelight-its good there are people out there like him to do it, but he's not exactly a volunteer.
I would imagine St. John was saying that tongue and cheek, he strikes me as the type of guy that doesn't exactly discuss his feelings. I bet he loves the fresh streams, Tetons, moose, bald eagles as much as the rest of us. There is a grandparent's day too, but no one gets all political on that.

[RedWingFan]

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

It is a fact that there is global warming going on. No good scientist disputes that. What is disputed is whether anything man is doing is making it worse. There is nowhere near a consensus amongst scientists on that and yet politicians want to enact huge amounts of additional taxation and crippling restrictions against businesses that probably aren't going to help.

I'm all for reasonable laws that protect the environment but nowhere near the ridiculous extreme that Al Gore wants.

That is why conservatives are close minded. So big deal? Tax us more. Would you rather sniffle at some tax hike and guess whether the planet can be saved, or pay the fees and take your chances?

I know, hearing the name Gore scares the hell out of you republicans. This isn't a Democrat v GOP issue. This isn't even a Capitalism v Socialism v Communism issue. This is a WORLD issue. We better listen and make a change in government. The window is about 8-10 years to get a hold of this. I am all for Gore here. He has been proven right. We need to afford him the benefit of the doubt and listen to his ideas and if possible, act upon them.

Dude if it's a WORLD issue, then why is China exempt from Kyoto. It's a cripple America issue

[Rockindeano]

Oh you support Kyoto? The agreement of change that if enacted fully, the change would be too small to measure! That's a fact! At the cost of how much in American dollars and jobs.

Yes, I do support Kyoto. I find it funny how you can bring up American dollars as being too much to spend on this accord.

However, I find it incredulous that you can support the Iraq war which costs more than the Kyoto Accord in an hour or so.

Aww, priorities.

[Rockindeano]

Dude if it's a WORLD issue, then why is China exempt from Kyoto. It's a cripple America issue

Fuck China. They aren't a part of it because they are dickheads and they DO hide behind the communism flag. That is a tricky fix. It is not a cripple America policy. Turn off Rush and Hannity.

[conversationpc]

That is why conservatives are close minded. So big deal? Tax us more. Would you rather sniffle at some tax hike and guess whether the planet can be saved, or pay the fees and take your chances?

I know, hearing the name Gore scares the hell out of you republicans. This isn't a Democrat v GOP issue. This isn't even a Capitalism v Socialism v Communism issue. This is a WORLD issue. We better listen and make a change in government. The window is about 8-10 years to get a hold of this. I am all for Gore here. He has been proven right. We need to afford him the benefit of the doubt and listen to his ideas and if possible, act upon them.

Closed minded? That is really laughable. There is NOWHERE NEAR a consensus in the scientific community over whether man is making global warming worse or even if there is anything we can do about it. Gore has not been proven right. Not even close. What IS closed-minded are those that can't accept that man may not be responsible for global warming. There is more evidence that it is due to both the sun getting warmer AND cyclical climatic changes.

[RedWingFan]

Oh you support Kyoto? The agreement of change that if enacted fully, the change would be too small to measure! That's a fact! At the cost of how much in American dollars and jobs.

Yes, I do support Kyoto. I find it funny how you can bring up American dollars as being too much to spend on this accord.

However, I find it incredulous that you can support the Iraq war which costs more than the Kyoto Accord in an hour or so.

Aww, priorities.

Fighting a real threat in Iraq....Deano there are terrorists in Iraq...and we're killing them, even though the media doesn't report it! Doesn't that make you a little happy?
Remember 15-20 years ago Libs crying about the ozone hole? Why don't we ever hear about that anymore? because the sun creates ozone and the hole expands and retracts in size. There was never a satellite image of an intact ozone. It's almost like god planned it like that Now it's global warming. I know this at any particular point in history, the Earth has been either warming or cooling. Answer this why was the global temp cooling from the 40s - 70s with less gov't restrictions? It makes no sense. The Earth goes in cycles and there's nothing we can do to warm it or cool it!

[Lula]

Think how you'd feel if you recieved a 3% raise over two years and the next offered was another 3%... not even a cost of living raise. That is where our unions do what we pay them to do.

If it makes you feel better, we aren't unionized and I haven't had a raise in 4 YEARS!!!! We have "sister" facilities that were unionized that have been shut down, because the cost of running the place artificially ballooned and was closed because it wasn't financially successful! That's how it works with market forces. But to hide behind the gov't to protect jobs at the cost of the kids learning that's choked by beuracrats is wrong!

Of course it does not make me feel better. I'm for fair wages for all. Not too clear on your meaning here with this statement, I hope that doesn't make me less intelligent. Time for supper!!

[RedWingFan]

Dude if it's a WORLD issue, then why is China exempt from Kyoto. It's a cripple America issue

Fuck China. They aren't a part of it because they are dickheads and they DO hide behind the communism flag. That is a tricky fix. It is not a cripple America policy. Turn off Rush and Hannity.

But what about the earth? The fragility? oh my, China is soon to be the biggest pollutant! Dean you insensitive bastard

[Rockindeano]

I need to stop fighting with RedWing and Dave. I am going bald by pulling my fucking hair out.

[cookieduster]

I need to stop fighting with RedWing and Dave. I am going bald by pulling my fucking hair out.

Is that why you penciled it in with a sharpie in that pic. you put up a few weeks ago?

[RedWingFan]

I need to stop fighting with RedWing and Dave. I am going bald by pulling my fucking hair out.

"Turn from the darkside Dean, there's good in you" I'll leave out the "I can feel it" part because it sounds kinda gay

[conversationpc]

I need to stop fighting with RedWing and Dave. I am going bald by pulling my fucking hair out.

I'll win that fight, too. My hair has ALREADY fallen out.

Here's a snippet from an article by a climatologist that pretty much states what I believe as far as global warming goes...

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/glo ... 020507.htm

No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?

Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.

Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling...

Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project, is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com

[Barb]

I missed the bulk of the conversation but the certain vice president you're talking about. Is this the one who invented the internet? Also the same one who is out there on the lecture circuit talking about the environment like he is the one who figured out all by himself that we fucked this planet up. All of us, Republicans AND Democrats. People fucked this up not political parties. You mean that certain vice president right?

Al Gore didn't figure out the environment is fucked up. He researched it, wrote a damned good book about it, used his position in Government to speak about it, and warn us about it, and has been proven 100% correct by actual scientists.

So if you want to degrade a good man, have at it.

Um, no he hasn't. Even the NY Times called bullshit on Al Gore's exaggerations.