Jackson, Sharpton or O'Donell

[PROPERRY]

Well I don't know who you are, since I haven't seen your nic that much around here, but I haven't even posted in this thread, until NOW, that my name was "brought up" in your post here.

The people you mentioned above in this post have participated in many postiive discussions on this board about Journey. However when Deano personally attacks us FIRST for just stating our "own personal opinions" that DIFFER from him, and the rest of all the "other followers" of this board, WE have "every right" to respond to it .

Shhhhh....... you sound like a broken record.

well I may sound like a broken record to you and others,( that is fine), but I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself here , if you and others weren't SO SLOW in getting the message.

[Manarocks]

Oh, and by the way prejudice and racism between Mexicans and Americans ABSOLUTELY goes both ways.

No kidding.

Hey Manforcocks, how about "your people" chanting during a USA v Mexico soccer game, "Bin Laden..Bin Laden"

Real classy there.

I thought you didn't like soccer. They are classy just like you Deano.

It's not about soccer it's about mexican hatered of the us.

Mexicans do not hate americans. They dislike the sterotype of them by Americans. Namecalling, racial comments, and a good example are some of you. Why the racial comments? We are on this forum because of our admiration for Journey.

your not here because of the band,, you have an agenda ,, good
luck with all that ,, you have managed to "sully" the entire board..
well you and your 3 friends that pm you,, you sure know how to
make friends..

I have no agenda buddy. You guys have done this to board yourselves, don't blame others. More than 3 that have emailed and PM me. You can not handle the truth about your buddy.

your garbage, done with the troll,, respond back to this before tonight when your sent away for being stupid..

I thought I was talking to STUPID by the name of Larry. Your are garbage my man.

[Rick]

I thought I was talking to STUPID by the name of Larry. Your are garbage my man.

Don't complain about name calling when you do it as much as anyone else.

[chf34jmac]

Just so everyone knows - and I might be letting the cat out of the bag early, But I know which one is getting the heave ho tonight. Got it in a PM last night.

[Blueskies]

Ok Mana, thats enough already.

[Matthew]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

[Manarocks]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriuate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

Thank you Matthew, you know where I am coming from.

[Rockindeano]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

Moron, a joke is a joke. Killing innocent civilians just for the fuck of it, is NOT a laughing matter.

[Rockindeano]

Thank you Matthew, you know where I am coming from.

The Toilet?

[Red13JoePa]

[ I don't follow your logic there, Red. You say the Mexicans chant hateful songs and therefore they hate you. But if Deano or anyone else cracks a racist joke they're not racist.

Double-standard?

I think if it's a joke then who cares? Mexican jokes, Bin Laden jokes, whatever...

Follow this logic then, Matthew.

It's not a double standard, It's a single-standard because as I've stated I don't think any of Deano's shit was racist unless you count obviously jesting, flippant, over-the-top cartoonishly Archie Bunker-like jokes he made after manarocks and his crew started feigning offense to Andrew. In which case, I would submit that without power, racism cannot exist. 1 guy standing around this forum making ridiculous jokes in response to knowingly wrong accusations of racism isn't racism.
There's power in a group of 50-60-70k doing it to 11 guys (and by extension the whole US) and there's racism.

[Matthew]

Just so everyone knows - and I might be letting the cat out of the bag early, But I know which one is getting the heave ho tonight. Got it in a PM last night.

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic...

This whole mob pressure to get people banned has been creeping in lately and it's by far the most unattractive aspect of this board.

Deano can handle himself extremely well. No need for all these butt-kissers here trying to get people thrown out. Jesus...

[Manarocks]

Thank you Matthew, you know where I am coming from.

The Toilet?

Will you ever stop?

[Rick]

well I may sound like a broken record to you and others,( that is fine), but I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself here , if you and others weren't SO SLOW in getting the message.

Well I'm originally from Oklahoma, and admittedly I'm probably the slowest person here, but even I get the message. Perfectly loud and clear. I just choose not to acknowledge it. No offense.

[Rick]

Thank you Matthew, you know where I am coming from.

The Toilet?

Will you ever stop?

He's just working on material for his new side gig.

[Matthew]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

Moron, a joke is a joke. Killing innocent civilians just for the fuck of it, is NOT a laughing matter.

Did you laugh at Sam Kinison's jokes regarding the mass starvation of Africans in the '85 famine?

[Manarocks]

[ I don't follow your logic there, Red. You say the Mexicans chant hateful songs and therefore they hate you. But if Deano or anyone else cracks a racist joke they're not racist.

Double-standard?

I think if it's a joke then who cares? Mexican jokes, Bin Laden jokes, whatever...

Follow this logic then, Matthew.

It's not a double standard, It's a single-standard because as I've stated I don't think any of Deano's shit was racist unless you count obviously jesting, flippant, over-the-top cartoonishly Archie Bunker-like jokes he made after manarocks and his crew started feigning offense to Andrew. In which case, I would submit that without power, racism cannot exist. 1 guy standing around this forum making ridiculous jokes in response to knowingly wrong accusations of racism isn't racism.
There's power in a group of 50-60-70k doing it to 11 guys (and by extension the whole US) and there's racism.

What crew are you refering to? Have you ever experienced racism Red? Have you? So please do not talk about racism if you never have felt it. But your boy continues with his remarks.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

Matthew: did I miss the part in your initial post on this matter (in which you said the chanting of "Osama" was funny) where you included all these qualifications you;ve now tagged on to your statement?

B/c I thought you just said you found it funny and now you're backpedaling.

BTW, where's the joke in the Osama chant?

[Manarocks]

Thank you Matthew, you know where I am coming from.

The Toilet?

Will you ever stop?

He's just working on material for his new side gig.

Ok then he needs better stuff. LOL

[NealIsGod]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

Moron, a joke is a joke. Killing innocent civilians just for the fuck of it, is NOT a laughing matter.

Did you laugh at Sam Kinison's jokes regarding the mass starvation of Africans in the '85 famine?

Stop trying to rationalize your disgusting comment. You went down about 10 notches on my book.

[Matthew]

[ I don't follow your logic there, Red. You say the Mexicans chant hateful songs and therefore they hate you. But if Deano or anyone else cracks a racist joke they're not racist.

Double-standard?

I think if it's a joke then who cares? Mexican jokes, Bin Laden jokes, whatever...

Follow this logic then, Matthew.

It's not a double standard, It's a single-standard because as I've stated I don't think any of Deano's shit was racist unless you count obviously jesting, flippant, over-the-top cartoonishly Archie Bunker-like jokes he made after manarocks and his crew started feigning offense to Andrew. In which case, I would submit that without power, racism cannot exist. 1 guy standing around this forum making ridiculous jokes in response to knowingly wrong accusations of racism isn't racism.
There's power in a group of 50-60-70k doing it to 11 guys (and by extension the whole US) and there's racism.

I see what your saying Red - but I disagree that "without power, racism cannot exist". I can see though that mob racism on that scale makes the racism seem darker and more threatening...

[Red13JoePa]

What crew are you refering to? Have you ever experienced racism Red? Have you? So please do not talk about racism if you never have felt it. But your boy continues with his remarks.

Yes, I think everybody's experienced it. But I don't think all whites hate blacks or latinos, or all latinos hate whites or blacks and so I don't hate whites blacks asians or latinos either.

You can't run around crying racism any time someone says something that has to do with race.

[Matthew]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

Moron, a joke is a joke. Killing innocent civilians just for the fuck of it, is NOT a laughing matter.

Did you laugh at Sam Kinison's jokes regarding the mass starvation of Africans in the '85 famine?

Stop trying to rationalize your disgusting comment. You went down about 10 notches on my book.

Sorry to hear that NIG - but it's exactly the same principle. Kinison virtually made his name on that routine and the reason? It was a shockingly bad taste. People laughed despite themselves and it created an illicit thrill. Comedians have been doing this for years....breaking taboos for laughs.

Maybe I underestimate the strength of feeling that exists between the USA and Mexico though - and didn't quite grasp the spirit of the bad taste joke at that game.

[Manarocks]

What crew are you refering to? Have you ever experienced racism Red? Have you? So please do not talk about racism if you never have felt it. But your boy continues with his remarks.

Yes, I think everybody's experienced it. But I don't think all whites hate blacks or latinos, or all latinos hate whites or blacks and so I don't hate whites blacks asians or latinos either.

You can't run around crying racism any time someone says something that has to do with race.

I don't Red, but your buddy for no reason started it with me. Why? Just because I didn't agree with one of his opinions. That's the way he handles things and you have to let him know it does work that way.

[Red13JoePa]

Again, kinnison's lunatic ravings are 1 guy, and personally I'd hope someone would bounce a rotten tomato off his skullpiece for saying the shit. Same with Chris Rock when he rants on whites and latinos in standup, same on stupid micheal richards.


That's the exact opposite of a stadium full of mexicans raining pure hatred down on the american soccer team in mexico.

[chf34jmac]

This is the most useless argument I have ever seen on this board. Neither side will ever change the others view. There is no middle ground here.

[Rick]

This is the most useless argument I have ever seen on this board. Neither side will ever change the others view. There is no middle ground here.

You are probably right 34, but it's been a decent discussion. Not too bad.

[Matthew]

Again, kinnison's lunatic ravings are 1 guy, and personally I'd hope someone would bounce a rotten tomato off his skullpiece for doing so.


That's the exact opposite of a stadium full of mexicans raining pure hatred down on the american soccer team in mexico.

I actually thought Kinison was totally hilarious - but it didn't mean I was unmoved by that famine back then. Maybe I'm just utterly childish...you know that thing when you're so not meant to laugh and this makes you laugh even more....like when you're getting told off by the old man.

As for the football..well, pure hatred often adds real excitement to a game. Maybe it's just a weird and ugly aspect of soccer culture...but part of the point of going to football games is to get all dark and tribal for a couple of hours...and then go back to being nice and reasonable afterwards.

[CatEyes]

I don't understand how you feel that the quality of health care will improve with a universal health care system. I don't think it is acceptable that your DME company has times when they can't delivery your O2 for two days but how do you feel that a universal health care system will solve that problem?

You seem to be missing the point, universal health care does not equal improved quality of health care. You get what you pay for. And I do not mean that those people that have health insurance get a higher standard of care, I mean that if a universal health care system is adopted, health care costs will be so controlled that only bare minimum care will be given. (I think I've already covered this.)

Actually NJT I truly believe that is you who are missing the point. And in many countries where there is universal health care, patients receive the best care available - not just a bare minimum. I have friends in England and in Canada that receive excellent health care.

There is a possible treatment for my disease in study now at St. Michael's in Toronto - it will be completed in November and available to patients in Canada possibly by June of next year - I just have to hold on and outrun a heart lung transplant. If it is approved, then I have a chance - there is possibility of approval of the procedure by the FDA due to "orphan" status.

A "get what you pay for" system should not completely eliminate people who are simply the working poor.

No a universal healthcare system will probably not make my DME more efficient - hell you can throw all the money you want at idiots and it doesn't make them any smarter. However, I would have more options available.

Insurance companies call the shots now - even as to how long a patient gets in the hospital. Many times patients are discharged early just to cut costs.

I am pissed because I have worked all of my life ....... and even if Steve Perry himself announced a reunion tour with Journey next year, I probably will not be here to see it.

and I am just plain tired.

Cat

[Matthew]

I have friends in England and in Canada that receive excellent health care.

This is true. I've never once had to worry about receiving the right medical care - for me or my family. And I've never gone private...

[Red13JoePa]

As for the football..well, pure hatred often adds real excitement to a game. Maybe it's just a weird and ugly aspect of soccer culture...but part of the point of going to football games is to get all dark and tribal for a couple of hours...and then go back to being nice and reasonable afterwards.

Seems like a warped view.
Fortunately for the sick bastards who "added real excitement to that game" by chanting Osama "so that they could get tribal," there weren't a like number of Americans there to say "Let's take this outside motherfuckers, and figure out what the hell's so funny about that chant."
Because I'd wager the number of individuals, american or not, who think that chant was part and parcel to international sportsmanship are not that many.