Jackson, Sharpton or O'Donell

[Deb]

your garbage, done with the troll,, respond back to this before tonight when your sent away for being stupid..

I thought I was talking to STUPID by the name of Larry. Your are garbage my man.

If you had read much of this board at all, you would realize just how fucking uncalled for that was!

[Manarocks]

your garbage, done with the troll,, respond back to this before tonight when your sent away for being stupid..

I thought I was talking to STUPID by the name of Larry. Your are garbage my man.

If you had read much of this board at all, you would realize just how fucking uncalled for that was!

You are correct I went down to their level. I apoloize Larry for that comment.

[Red13JoePa]

Good, just like deano apologized for being a racist.

he started a thread, though.

[Rockindeano]

your garbage, done with the troll,, respond back to this before tonight when your sent away for being stupid..

I thought I was talking to STUPID by the name of Larry. Your are garbage my man.

If you had read much of this board at all, you would realize just how fucking uncalled for that was!

You asre correct I went down to there level. I apoloize Larry for that comment.

Nice grammar you illiterate fuck.

[Manarocks]

your garbage, done with the troll,, respond back to this before tonight when your sent away for being stupid..

I thought I was talking to STUPID by the name of Larry. Your are garbage my man.

If you had read much of this board at all, you would realize just how fucking uncalled for that was!

You asre correct I went down to there level. I apoloize Larry for that comment.

Nice grammar you illiterate fuck.

You will not stop Deano I corrected it Ok I forgot your are perfect.

[Lula]

Cat,
I am so sorry to read of your situation. I wish I could do something to alleviate your pain. I too am frustrated with the system. As I stated earlier I'm being dicked around for the care of Trevor after his birth. He is facing three heart surgeries. Here I am part of the insured with the best possible team of doctors ready to give my baby a fighting chance at life and there is an issue with the referral. I too am tired. The amount deducted from my salary for health insurance is close to 500 monthly, a lot of good it does when the care available is being denied. Of course I am fighting this, but I tell ya, the fight is taking a lot of my spirit.

[Matthew]

Seems like a warped view.

Fortunately for the sick bastards who "added real excitement to that game" by chanting Osama "so that they could get tribal," there weren't a like number of Americans there to say "Let's take this outside motherfuckers, and figure out what the hell's so funny about that chant."
Because I'd wager the number of individuals, american or not, who think that chant was part and parcel to international sportsmanship are not that many.

And you'd be right. It was in bad taste and utterly inappropriate. Like any number of race related jokes from individuals which you have been defending....

My point is...we can still find stuff funny even if they conflict with our beliefs and values. Just because you laugh doesn't mean you agree with it.

[Red13JoePa]

And you'd be right. It was in bad taste and utterly inappropriate. Like any number of race related jokes from individuals which you have been defending....

You made that plural.
It's one individual, one person who I am defending but I have the luxury of knowing he's NOT racist whereas all we have to go on in a kinnison or chris rock or a mexican chanting osama is the evidence of what they do, not their real feelings on it.

i'm guessing there was real intent behind the osama chant, maybe not the kinisson or Rock routines, which was done more like deano's burrito mowing jokes, but neitehr can I give them the benefit of the doubt, not knowing them.

[Blueskies]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriuate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

Thank you Matthew, you know where I am coming from.

I went back to my screen name so you know who your talking to. If you have been reading for awhile then you know that NO ONE has taken more crap then me on this board. I wont get into all of it but it mainly started just because I posted some art pics...a subject I am very passionate about, but some perceived my intentions wrongly. Dean was one and when he attacked me others joined in, so I do know where you are coming from and why you are being so defensive. Yes you have every right to defend yourself and should...but only up to a point. I could still be hashing and bashing here too and trying to correct mis- perceptions made of me but what would that do? I would come across as too defensive and the fight would rage on. I choose to let it go and make peace with those I care to. Dean was the only one I cared to come to an understanding with because I could see past his abrasive and crude posts and saw who he really is... he also took the high road with me and apologized when he was wrong and I now consider him a friend. Yes he has made mistakes and has vented his frustrations to many on the board and he has made many drunken posts but he is also quick to admit when he is wrong and takes responsibilty for his actions. He also has good reason for being defensive himself when he is stalked by some that forever hold a grudge and cant let things go. You are doing it now.
My advice to you would be to try a different tactic and take the high road instead of keeping this going and internalizing it. I didnt let my attacks continue because I knew when to defend but also when to step back. You are doing nothing here to change perceptions but beating a dead horse and making it worse. You also have to take responsibility for your part in it. You continue slugging it out so it continues against you. Sometimes it takes more guts to walk away and know when to quit then it does to remain in the fight. If you know yourself enough and can find your center then what anyone else says should not affect you and you will not feel the need to be so defensive. It also helps to learn to forgive. Once you can forgive then you can make peace and maybe come to some mutual respect and understanding. If not then hopefully you will be able to at least be more civil to one another and gain some respect for where each is coming from, but you can only get there if you become a bigger man, take the high road, throw down the gloves and let go of the past, and forgive enough to talk it out in private. If not then take a look in the mirror and at least come to understand yourself a little more and ask yourself why you continue the fight.
What is it doing for you? What does it say of you? Why do you feel such a strong need to defend? Are your own insecurities contributing to it? If you know who you are and have inner strength and peace within, you will not feel the need to be so defensive. This has went far enough, now its time to step back and reflect.....be honest with yourself for your own particpation, then either reach out to others to mend fences or choose to walk away....really, life is too short for this. Just some of my opinions...you don't have to agree with them.


oh yeah...and I also didn't go crying to Andrew which is why things were hashed out on the board and understandings reached in private and he didnt come in chastising those attacking me....in fact I told him I wanted to handle it. I'm a grown person and I can fight my own battles. If you get yourself in a situation it's up to you to get yourself out of it. None of us are children here so no one should be running to Andrew like he's our daddy. Learn to take responsibilty and figure out your own course of action.

[Matthew]

And you'd be right. It was in bad taste and utterly inappropriate. Like any number of race related jokes from individuals which you have been defending....

You made that plural.
It's one individual, one person who I am defending but I have the luxury of knowing he's NOT racist whereas all we have to go on in a kinnison or chris rock or a mexican chanting osama is the evidence of what they do, not their real feelings on it.

i'm guessing there was real intent behind the osama chant, maybe not the kinisson or Rock routines, which was done more like deano's burrito mowing jokes, but neitehr can I give them the benefit of the doubt, not knowing them.

Yes, that's true. As I said earlier...maybe I was underestimating the seriousness of the intent.

[Rockindeano]

And you'd be right. It was in bad taste and utterly inappropriate. Like any number of race related jokes from individuals which you have been defending....

You made that plural.
It's one individual, one person who I am defending but I have the luxury of knowing he's NOT racist whereas all we have to go on in a kinnison or chris rock or a mexican chanting osama is the evidence of what they do, not their real feelings on it.

i'm guessing there was real intent behind the osama chant, maybe not the kinisson or Rock routines, which was done more like deano's burrito mowing jokes, but neitehr can I give them the benefit of the doubt, not knowing them.

Yes, that's true. As I said earlier...maybe I was underestimating the seriousness of the intent.

Matthew, the person thanking you right now is that two bit cocksucker manforcocks. You took the heat off his sorry ass. Now, what you should do is tell everyone you fucked up when you thought it was funny 100,000 Mexicans, many living illegal in the US chanted "Osama Osama" and you thought it was hilarious.

You are fucked for saying that.

[Matthew]

And you'd be right. It was in bad taste and utterly inappropriate. Like any number of race related jokes from individuals which you have been defending....

You made that plural.
It's one individual, one person who I am defending but I have the luxury of knowing he's NOT racist whereas all we have to go on in a kinnison or chris rock or a mexican chanting osama is the evidence of what they do, not their real feelings on it.

i'm guessing there was real intent behind the osama chant, maybe not the kinisson or Rock routines, which was done more like deano's burrito mowing jokes, but neitehr can I give them the benefit of the doubt, not knowing them.

Yes, that's true. As I said earlier...maybe I was underestimating the seriousness of the intent.

Matthew, the person thanking you right now is that two bit cocksucker manforcocks. You took the heat off his sorry ass. Now, what you should do is tell everyone you fucked up when you thought it was funny 100,000 Mexicans, many living illegal in the US chanted "Osama Osama" and you thought it was hilarious.

You are fucked for saying that.

Look at the line you just quoted. I'll say it again: maybe I underestimated the seriousness of the intent.

But spare me the lecture, Deano. You crack bad taste jokes all the time and expect us to laugh...whether or not we can vouch for your real beliefs as Red can.

[RedWingFan]

And you'd be right. It was in bad taste and utterly inappropriate. Like any number of race related jokes from individuals which you have been defending....

You made that plural.
It's one individual, one person who I am defending but I have the luxury of knowing he's NOT racist whereas all we have to go on in a kinnison or chris rock or a mexican chanting osama is the evidence of what they do, not their real feelings on it.

i'm guessing there was real intent behind the osama chant, maybe not the kinisson or Rock routines, which was done more like deano's burrito mowing jokes, but neitehr can I give them the benefit of the doubt, not knowing them.

Yes, that's true. As I said earlier...maybe I was underestimating the seriousness of the intent.

Matthew, the person thanking you right now is that two bit cocksucker manforcocks. You took the heat off his sorry ass. Now, what you should do is tell everyone you fucked up when you thought it was funny 100,000 Mexicans, many living illegal in the US chanted "Osama Osama" and you thought it was hilarious.

You are fucked for saying that.

When I heard about that years ago, I swore off every drop of Mexican blood in my veins.

[Red13JoePa]

Yes, that's true. As I said earlier...maybe I was underestimating the seriousness of the intent.

So even you think it wasn;t serious intent you thought a joke rubbing the mass-murder of 911 in the face of americans was funny. A joke chanting the name of the guy who's said he intends to commit genocide.

[Rockindeano]

Look at the line you just quoted. I'll say it again: maybe I underestimated the seriousness of the intent.

But spare me the lecture, Deano. You crack bad taste jokes all the time and expect us to laugh...whether or not we can vouch for your real beliefs as Red can.

I crack jokes about everyone. I have told black jokes, Beaner jokes, Aussie jokes, Canadian jokes, Yankee jokes and even told Cyndy poon Asian jokes. We all need to laugh at ourselves.

However, laughing at the demise of 3,000 innocent souls, being mocked by unappreciative Mexicans, makes you one gutless heartless sonofabitch Matthew.

[Matthew]

Look at the line you just quoted. I'll say it again: maybe I underestimated the seriousness of the intent.

But spare me the lecture, Deano. You crack bad taste jokes all the time and expect us to laugh...whether or not we can vouch for your real beliefs as Red can.

I crack jokes about everyone. I have told black jokes, Beaner jokes, Aussie jokes, Canadian jokes, Yankee jokes and even told Cyndy poon Asian jokes. We all need to laugh at ourselves.

However, laughing at the demise of 3,000 innocent souls, being mocked by unappreciative Mexicans, makes you one gutless heartless sonofabitch Matthew.

Except you're not laughing at yourself. You're laughing at everyone else. Yes, the Mexican chant was sick and maybe I shouldn't find sick jokes amusing - but I suspect that the reason you're getting so pious about all this is because you feel you were the target of the joke.

But if you seriously think that I felt no compassion and outrage about 9/11 then you're way off the mark.

[Rockindeano]

Matthew, ask anyone here....I can certainly laugh at myself. It's good to laugh at yourself.

[Blueskies]

To no one in particular:...Jeremeys thread and what his drummers family is going thru is what really matters, not this petty bickering and back and forth to endlessly prove a point and trying to make someone else think like you do. There are also many mis- perceptions from these short typed posts. Keep it in mind when talking to one another that everything a person believes and everything of who they are is not all encompassed in these soundbytes, and many times true meanings are misunderstood, so don't think you truly "know" who you are battling with. Having said that, proceed with the verbal meltdowns if you must.

[Matthew]

Anyway...if I've offended anyone by my comment earlier then I'd like to apologise.

[Matthew]

Matthew, ask anyone here....I can certainly laugh at myself. It's good to laugh at yourself.

Yes, I know Deano. And I can see that some jokes in some situations do cross the line. I was just in a glib mood after a crap day at work...

[ohsherrie]

Matt is no more a callous, unfeeling person than Dean is. This whole argument is bullshit.

Bush has given most of the world such a bad feeling about this country that it doesn't surprise me in the least that someone from England would find an apparent slap-in-the-face aimed at Bush and his policies (not the people killed on 9/11), funny. Even though the Mexicans were undoubtedly making their statement regarding the immigration policies, any slap at Bush could seem funny to someone who's country has been effected by his disastrous regime.

[Saint John]

To no one in particular:...Jeremeys thread and what his drummers family is going thru is what really matters, not this petty bickering and back and forth to endlessly prove a point and trying to make someone else think like you do. There are also many mis- perceptions from these short typed posts. Keep it in mind when talking to one another that everything a person believes and everything of who they are is not all encompassed in these soundbytes, and many times true meanings are misunderstood, so don't think you truly "know" who you are battling with. Having said that, proceed with the verbal meltdowns if you must.

Fuck off, Phyllis. Don't go ruining a perfectly good thread by making sense! I will now proceed.

[conversationpc]

Bush has given most of the world such a bad feeling about this country that it doesn't surprise me in the least that someone from England would find an apparent slap-in-the-face aimed at Bush and his policies (not the people killed on 9/11), funny. Even though the Mexicans were undoubtedly making their statement regarding the immigration policies, any slap at Bush could seem funny to someone who's country has been effected by his disastrous regime.

Yes, it is all Bush's fault, isn't it? Something tells me we'd be in the same situation even if Gore had been elected, Kerry, etc.

[Red13JoePa]

Matt is no more a callous, unfeeling person than Dean is. This whole argument is bullshit.

Bush has given most of the world such a bad feeling about this country that it doesn't surprise me in the least that someone from England would find an apparent slap-in-the-face aimed at Bush and his policies (not the people killed on 9/11), funny. Even though the Mexicans were undoubtedly making their statement regarding the immigration policies, any slap at Bush could seem funny to someone who's country has been effected by his disastrous regime.

You've gotta be kidding me.
Where did he say he found it funny b/c it was a slap in the face at Bush? You're not excusing that post, and trying to give him a crack to slip through and save face because he's a perryhead, are you? PLEASE (lie) and tell us this is not about some asinine "we loons gotta stick together through thick and thin" stance. JMJ.

At least Matthew didn;t try to shift it to that, he's admitting he still thinks it was funny, PERIOD.

PM Edit: sorry, he just gravitated to the political branch offered with the above post to try to get out of the quicksand.

[Blueskies]

To no one in particular:...Jeremeys thread and what his drummers family is going thru is what really matters, not this petty bickering and back and forth to endlessly prove a point and trying to make someone else think like you do. There are also many mis- perceptions from these short typed posts. Keep it in mind when talking to one another that everything a person believes and everything of who they are is not all encompassed in these soundbytes, and many times true meanings are misunderstood, so don't think you truly "know" who you are battling with. Having said that, proceed with the verbal meltdowns if you must.

Fuck off, Phyllis. Don't go ruining a perfectly good thread by making sense! I will now proceed.

go forth and plunder, my son.

[Matthew]

Matt is no more a callous, unfeeling person than Dean is. This whole argument is bullshit.

Bush has given most of the world such a bad feeling about this country that it doesn't surprise me in the least that someone from England would find an apparent slap-in-the-face aimed at Bush and his policies (not the people killed on 9/11), funny. Even though the Mexicans were undoubtedly making their statement regarding the immigration policies, any slap at Bush could seem funny to someone who's country has been effected by his disastrous regime.

Yes, that's it, Sherrie. I think most Americans seem to underestimate how powerful and threatening the USA seems abroad. There's no doubt that the rest of the world sees the actual individuals killed in 9/11 as victims - but they don't see the USA itself as a victimized country, if you know what I mean. Instead it looks and acts like a ruthless predator.

When down-trodden and resentful Mexicans chant "Bin Laden" at the football game...well, it's rough but I wouldn't automatically think that they were 'persecuting' a victimized country. In a way it's like a small yapping dog nipping at some giant guy's ankle. The sheer cheek of it is comic somehow.

[Red13JoePa]

Bush has given most of the world such a bad feeling about this country that it doesn't surprise me in the least that someone from England would find an apparent slap-in-the-face aimed at Bush and his policies (not the people killed on 9/11), funny. Even though the Mexicans were undoubtedly making their statement regarding the immigration policies, any slap at Bush could seem funny to someone who's country has been effected by his disastrous regime.

Yes, it is all Bush's fault, isn't it? Something tells me we'd be in the same situation even if Gore had been elected, Kerry, etc.

Fuck that, Dave.

Matthew never even said it was a Bush thing, and now a totally bogus and political escape hatch is trying to be dug for that despicable post.

[Tomulator]

I'm sorry that you think 70,000 mexicans chanting Osama at 11 Americans is "all part of the fun."

Oh...here we go...the victim card has officially been laid on the table....

Red - maybe I'm just detached from my feelings in some weird British way but I NEVER get offended by jokes. Just because I find tasteless and inappropriate footballs chants quite funny doesn't mean I support Bin Laden or was uncaring about 9/11.

Unbelievable...everyone has been banging on about how Manorock needs to lighten up...but none of you can take it when the joke's on you.

I lost my brother-in-law on 9/11 (North Tower victim). He was 31 years old, wife, 2 little kids...his life was "snuffed out" before it even began. I was there when the police came to tell his widow that his remains were found. I was there when they laid him to rest in the ground. I was there watching what it did to my family.

There is no "joke" in ANY of this. Got it?

You are very lucky you and I aren't in the same room right now...

[ohsherrie]

Fuck that, Dave.

Matthew never even said it was a Bush thing, and now a totally bogus and political escape hatch is trying to be dug for that dispicable post.

It's not an escape hatch and it's not bogus Joe13. It's reality. It's the way the world sees this country and why things like the chant and the humor that Matt found in it happen. Maybe it seems like a political statement to you and Dave, but I was only trying to state the obvious truth.

[Saint John]

Matt is no more a callous, unfeeling person than Dean is. This whole argument is bullshit.

Bush has given most of the world such a bad feeling about this country that it doesn't surprise me in the least that someone from England would find an apparent slap-in-the-face aimed at Bush and his policies (not the people killed on 9/11), funny. Even though the Mexicans were undoubtedly making their statement regarding the immigration policies, any slap at Bush could seem funny to someone who's country has been effected by his disastrous regime.

First of all, who gives a fuck what the rest of the world thinks about us? Typical Democrat...guiding by meaningless polls. The fact that you would condone ANY taunting by the Mexican fans regarding their illegal, systematic destructon of our country is numbing. As for Bush's "disastrous regime" I'll say this. When Bill Clinton took office Al-Qaeada was working in a handful of countries (5-10 is the best estimate). Yet, when he left they were operating in OVER 200. Considering that they bombed the WTC, attacked us around the world and dragged our tortured and mutilated soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu under Clinton's watch, I'd choose my words a bit more carefully. Then again, Clinton responded by........DOING NOTHING. They clearly took root, got organized and reached maximum strength while Clinton was getting blowjobs and lying under oath. Bush has them on the run, has all but destroyed their infrastructure and has them fighting our military ELSEWHERE rather than here. You had the right words, just the wrong regime. You should move to France. They share your stupid views.