Pittsburgh Show

[daltonsdad]

The wife saw Def Leppard / Styx / Reo last night in Pittsburgh.

She said "Def Leppard and Reo were good but Styx was horrible."

I pressed her on it because I was wondering what was so bad about the show. She said "Styx didn't seem like they even wanted to be there. They hardly played any songs too, they were on just as long as Reo and usually the second band is on longer. And that keyboardist sounded like he came from 'munchkin land'. He would sound ok at times and other times when he was singing highs it would sound ridiculous."

There you have it.

Why the hell would Styx be on before REO? I certainly hope they put REO after the Pretenders when I see them. REO was much bigger that the Pretendeers every would dream of being with many more "hits". I prefer the old REO myself but Styx before REO would be my preference.

[Andrew]

I think it flat out sucks!Can anyone else hear the Power Rangers TV show in the song Rain???

You're a tone deaf retard.

Last chance dude...

[DarwinNebraska]

I think it flat out sucks!Can anyone else hear the Power Rangers TV show in the song Rain???

You're a tone deaf retard.

Last chance dude...

As you let your buddies run wild on the site.

Double standards galore.

[rajah2165]

Be honest with your review Zan.

As for me I dont see how ANY fan of Styx could rip this CD. It is EXCELLENT!


...Hanging with Glen may have helped.

...The BEST work Dennis has ever done...
...How could ANYONE think different???

lol...I promise I won't rip the CD. But it is far from "excellent," IMO. Too many inconsistancies and bad poetry for me to consider it as such. But it's not terrible either. I really want to give it more listens before I review it in case stuff grows on me, grows off me, or there are elements I've missed.

God, In sincerely hope Glen didn't have anything to do with the lyrics on this album.

I...just...don't know how to answer these questions when they're worded this way, Ypgi. I find the album so far to be fair at best. NOT even in the same universe as stuff Dennis has done with Styx in the past, perhaps in par with Boomchild or Back to World...altho, I still think those were a tad better. It seems very obsious to me that Styx fans are comprised of two or three different groups of taste buds, and you and I clearly aren't part of the same group. I just don't get what you all find so magnificant.

Is anybody really surprised here...??

[rajah2165]

So in other words.... Dennis please stop writing about how much you love your wife. It makes Zan uncomfortable.

Zan's on her 3rd marriage now so how *dare you* profess your love for your soulmate.

I threw up a little when I read this.

And it's my 2nd. But nice try DaN. Do you really not understand the difference between being uncomfortable and being ambivilent or BORED? Or...how about me saying I'd rather see a more creative side to Dennis than the same old-same old subject material, not "hey I can't handle your deep, undying love?"

Good grief. Do you really need everything spelled out for you?

So, tell me how the depthness changes when we speak of JY or Tommy?

[rajah2165]

Why does this *really* eat at your soul though, Zan?

WTF? IT DOESN'T! It BORES me. Are you daft?

Or...how about me saying I'd rather see a more creative side to Dennis than the same old-same old subject material, not "hey I can't handle your deep, undying love?"

There's plenty of that all over the album but you've found other reasons to knock those tunes. No shocker that you don't like the album... I could have placed that bet a few years back. You simply *don't like him* and thus it clouds your view of his music.

THIS burns my ass. Why? because I listened to the fucking CD - HOPING, PRAYING EVEN, that I would find it as awe-inspiring (or...HALF as good) as some of you people did, for the mere FACT that if I DIDN'T, I was would be accused of having "clouded judgement." I didn't KNOCK any songs. I said the album is inconsistant, and if you can't handle hearing THAT, you're in for a barage of disappointment when you finally move out of your parents basement and get into the real world.

Let me 'splain this to you, Lucy:

My feelings or lack of feelings thereof for Dennis DeYoung are influenced by my feelings about his music, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I generally DON'T like his style in the last twenty years. I went to his f'ing show, and I wrote a POSITIVE REVIEW about it afterwards. GET A SOLID GRIP, dude. DEAL with the reality that Dennis cannot reverse the tides or change the planetary alignment. His farts smell, and he has morning breath like everyone else. He doesn't have the capability to produce songs that everyone and anyone will enjoy and that will end world hunger. I know it's hard to accept, but it's true. And knowing is half the battle, GI Joe.

The CD is "okay." It doesn't flat-out suck, but it didn't bring me to climax either. Deal with it. I did.

I have what I believe is a legitimate question here for you Zan, and I would appreciate a legitimate answer.

Why are you here?

You obviously can't stand Dennis DeYoung the person or Dennis DeYoung the muscian. So, why are you a Styx fan? Come on, you can't just say you are a fan of Tommy Shaw songs or JY songs, because that isn't even half of their musical output. Although I have made no bones about my issues with Tommy and JY and their treatment of Dennis, I still like a majority of their songs - including their solo stuff. But honestly you cannot say one thing postive about DDY or his music. You have kind of become a joke. We all knew you wouldn't like his solo album - regardless of what it had on it - and shocler - you didn't. So, explain to me why you invest the time in a board for a band where most of the musical output was written, sung, produced, and performed by a guy who you cannot stand personally or professionally.

Thanks

[rajah2165]

I think it flat out sucks!Can anyone else hear the Power Rangers TV show in the song Rain???

You're a tone deaf retard.

Last chance dude...

As you let your buddies run wild on the site.

Double standards galore.

Amen. Do you ever notice how Andrew NEVER reprimands the DeYoung haters.. We have a bias moderator here.

[Andrew]

I think it flat out sucks!Can anyone else hear the Power Rangers TV show in the song Rain???

You're a tone deaf retard.

Last chance dude...

As you let your buddies run wild on the site.

Double standards galore.

HA. I give long time posters and those that actually bring something to the table a little more leeway than casual posters and message board trolls.

[Andrew]

Amen. Do you ever notice how Andrew NEVER reprimands the DeYoung haters.. We have a bias moderator here.

What a crock of shit. I could care less who you like and who you don't. Nor anyone else. I step in when needed to remove trolls. That's about it. I love DDY. Now, did you have someting to contribute today?

[stabbim]

You obviously can't stand Dennis DeYoung the person or Dennis DeYoung the muscian. So, why are you a Styx fan? Come on, you can't just say you are a fan of Tommy Shaw songs or JY songs, because that isn't even half of their musical output.

Sorry to jump into the middle of...whatever this is...but that is a good question, which I believe speaks to one of the fundamental roadblocks when it comes to this band's fanbase understanding each other.

Here's the thing: for some people, Styx isn't all about DeYoung. Maybe not even mostly about him. Hell, there are people out there who actually liked the band in spite of him, even back in the day, and are happier with him gone. And of course there are many who don't care much either way.

I realize that these viewpoints may be not only disagreeable but actually difficult to fathom for the folks who love to wage this little war from the DeYoungian side of the fence, but coming to terms with them really is the Rosetta Stone.

[piecesofeight]

Even though it's not that easy because before anyone even gets their thoughts out, she has already replied..anymore, I just ignore the pink post. Pretty easy to do since they are everywhere. The pink used to bother me, but now it's nice because I can just overlook them easier.
Now if everyone would quit quoating her in their post, it would be even easier to just skip over them.
Best thing is to not even get into it with her because she won't stop.
If a subject goes on and on with numerous pages, I just quit reading about it eventually because I know most of the post are from her.
Best thing-just ignore it.
I kinf of agree that she gets away with stuff because she doesn't stop going on and on. She doesn't really attack people, she just doesn't stop....

[styxfanNH]

Even though it's not that easy because before anyone even gets their thoughts out, she has already replied..anymore, I just ignore the pink post. Pretty easy to do since they are everywhere. The pink used to bother me, but now it's nice because I can just overlook them easier.
Now if everyone would quit quoating her in their post, it would be even easier to just skip over them.
Best thing is to not even get into it with her because she won't stop.
If a subject goes on and on with numerous pages, I just quit reading about it eventually because I know most of the post are from her.
Best thing-just ignore it.
I kinf of agree that she gets away with stuff because she doesn't stop going on and on. She doesn't really attack people, she just doesn't stop....

Zan just states her point of view, like the rest of you. She is up front that she doesn't prefer Dennis' style of music. She doesn't hide it. And she is consistent with what she says. Hell, she even has good things to say about Dennis' music when she doesn't gravitate to it in the first place. She has more to say than just about Styx.

We all have our own favorite incarnation of STYX. Some of us actually accept all of them for what they were or are. Personally, I go to whatever is available at the time. I've seen STYX twenty something times and Dennis a half dozen times. I enjoy them both. I just don't get bent on the egomaniacs being egomaniacs. It's part of the saga of STYX. It's not like Dennis being tossed out of the band was equal to someone wronging a family member.

It is usually the posts of the opposition (if that's the best word to use) that allows the other side to respond. If you are going to choose not to give credibility to what others say in here. Then so be it. It is your loss. It also speaks to the close mindedness of some that post in here.

[mr.v]

I think it's very funny that all the crap being slung in Zan's direction is because she said the new DeYoung CD is "OK". She didn't trash it she just stated the fact that in her opinion it's just "OK". While at least one other person on this board has said that it "Sucks" and has only recieved lip service. So Zan, honey, I thinks your opinion means a whole lot to a whole lot of people on the board.
You are still the Queen!
V

[Zan]

I have what I believe is a legitimate question here for you Zan, and I would appreciate a legitimate answer.

lol...I'm sure. As if there is any answer I could give you that would satisfy you.

Why are you here?

You obviously can't stand Dennis DeYoung the person or Dennis DeYoung the muscian. So, why are you a Styx fan? Come on, you can't just say you are a fan of Tommy Shaw songs or JY songs, because that isn't even half of their musical output. Although I have made no bones about my issues with Tommy and JY and their treatment of Dennis, I still like a majority of their songs - including their solo stuff. But honestly you cannot say one thing postive about DDY or his music. You have kind of become a joke. We all knew you wouldn't like his solo album - regardless of what it had on it - and shocler - you didn't. So, explain to me why you invest the time in a board for a band where most of the musical output was written, sung, produced, and performed by a guy who you cannot stand personally or professionally.

I didn't say I didn't like it, Sideshow. I said it was inconsistant and just ok. For me to LIE and say I loved it just to save face on this board (as if it matters what you & the people in your head think), would make me a true joke. Fortunately, juvenile lackies like you don't influence my opinions.

Furthermore, I never said I don't like any of DDY's stuff. I've always enjoyed his earlier work. I also used to like songs like "Babe" and "First Time" (when I was 13 and first started liking Styx) but have grown out of them as my musical tastes have changed over the years. You confuse my UNDERSTANDING WHY the rest of the guys wanted him out of the band with mirroring their every thought. Unlike some people, I can see past my own childhood fantasies to see a bigger picture. I'm also not a blind fan of anything and everything JY or Tommy releases either, so keep your knickers on.

Don't get me started on the "most of the musical output was written, sung, produced, and performed by [DDY]" part.

All clear now? Good. Now go enjoy your CD and STFU.

[stabbim]

We all have our own favorite incarnation of STYX. Some of us actually accept all of them for what they were or are. Personally, I go to whatever is available at the time. I've seen STYX twenty something times and Dennis a half dozen times. I enjoy them both. I just don't get bent on the egomaniacs being egomaniacs. It's part of the saga of STYX. It's not like Dennis being tossed out of the band was equal to someone wronging a family member.

Unfortunately, for some folks that's exactly what it's equal to. It goes beyond a taste issue and gets personal, and that gives rise to this neverending flood of venom that's been spewing forth for nearly a decade now.

[justmeagain]

Zan just states her point of view, like the rest of you. She is up front that she doesn't prefer Dennis' style of music. She doesn't hide it. And she is consistent with what she says. Hell, she even has good things to say about Dennis' music when she doesn't gravitate to it in the first place. She has more to say than just about Styx.

We all have our own favorite incarnation of STYX. Some of us actually accept all of them for what they were or are. Personally, I go to whatever is available at the time. I've seen STYX twenty something times and Dennis a half dozen times. I enjoy them both. I just don't get bent on the egomaniacs being egomaniacs. It's part of the saga of STYX. It's not like Dennis being tossed out of the band was equal to someone wronging a family member.

It is usually the posts of the opposition (if that's the best word to use) that allows the other side to respond. If you are going to choose not to give credibility to what others say in here. Then so be it. It is your loss. It also speaks to the close mindedness of some that post in here.[/quote]

[styxfanNH]

I guess everyone has a different opinion. But Yogi is making the most sense to me.
I think this album is the best STYX album since Paradise Theatre. And I don't skip ANY of the songs! I like them all.

While I like many of the songs on the cd, I would be hard pressed to see many of these on a STYX cd. If you look in the other thread 100 years & Styx, no one says they would all be on a Styx cd!!! Two or three maybe, but thats it.

And I'll just say this about Rain. While I really like the song, there are times that those driving quarter notes feel as if the song is heading for a train wreck, only to catch itself and right the ship back to tempo.

As an album, it is definitely Dennis' strongest new material cd. But I can't say that each song is a Styx song. I also wnt to hear what the whole album sounds like. IF what we hear is right from Froy that there are several songs that weren't finished and this album is more like an EP, then I want to hear the full product.

It's a good album, some songs are better than others, but not a STYX album. Yes some songs sound like STYX of old, but not all. It is what I kind of expect from Dennis, an eclectic bunch of songs that represent how his musical tastes have changed over time.

[stabbim]

And I'll just say this about Rain. While I really like the song, there are times that those driving quarter notes feel as if the song is heading for a train wreck, only to catch itself and right the ship back to tempo.

That quality is actually one of the things I like most about the song.

[DarwinNebraska]

It's a good album, some songs are better than others, but not a STYX album. Yes some songs sound like STYX of old, but not all. It is what I kind of expect from Dennis, an eclectic bunch of songs that represent how his musical tastes have changed over time.

Whatever you say, but there are more songs on here that I could see on a classic Styx album than just about all of Cyclorama save "These Are The Times".

[Zan]

Whatever you say, but there are more songs on here that I could see on a classic Styx album than just about all of Cyclorama save "These Are The Times".

Well, of course. They're all written, sung, and produced by Dennis.

[styxfanNH]

It's a good album, some songs are better than others, but not a STYX album. Yes some songs sound like STYX of old, but not all. It is what I kind of expect from Dennis, an eclectic bunch of songs that represent how his musical tastes have changed over time.

Whatever you say, but there are more songs on here that I could see on a classic Styx album than just about all of Cyclorama save "These Are The Times".

Which songs on this cd do you believe would be on a Styx album today if the classic lineup was together?

[DarwinNebraska]

Which songs on this cd do you believe would be on a Styx album today if the classic lineup was together?

Just about any of them really except maybe "Breathe Again" and "I Believe In You". At the core they're good songs. Of course they'd probably be altered with the personalities of the different players involved... maybe lyrics wouldn't be quite the same if it was written in a group context either but melody wise I could see it.

The chorus of "Foregiveness" sounds right off a Styx album.

[rajah2165]

I have what I believe is a legitimate question here for you Zan, and I would appreciate a legitimate answer.

lol...I'm sure. As if there is any answer I could give you that would satisfy you.

Why are you here?

You obviously can't stand Dennis DeYoung the person or Dennis DeYoung the muscian. So, why are you a Styx fan? Come on, you can't just say you are a fan of Tommy Shaw songs or JY songs, because that isn't even half of their musical output. Although I have made no bones about my issues with Tommy and JY and their treatment of Dennis, I still like a majority of their songs - including their solo stuff. But honestly you cannot say one thing postive about DDY or his music. You have kind of become a joke. We all knew you wouldn't like his solo album - regardless of what it had on it - and shocler - you didn't. So, explain to me why you invest the time in a board for a band where most of the musical output was written, sung, produced, and performed by a guy who you cannot stand personally or professionally.

I didn't say I didn't like it, Sideshow. I said it was inconsistant and just ok. For me to LIE and say I loved it just to save face on this board (as if it matters what you & the people in your head think), would make me a true joke. Fortunately, juvenile lackies like you don't influence my opinions.

Furthermore, I never said I don't like any of DDY's stuff. I've always enjoyed his earlier work. I also used to like songs like "Babe" and "First Time" (when I was 13 and first started liking Styx) but have grown out of them as my musical tastes have changed over the years. You confuse my UNDERSTANDING WHY the rest of the guys wanted him out of the band with mirroring their every thought. Unlike some people, I can see past my own childhood fantasies to see a bigger picture. I'm also not a blind fan of anything and everything JY or Tommy releases either, so keep your knickers on.

Don't get me started on the "most of the musical output was written, sung, produced, and performed by [DDY]" part.

All clear now? Good. Now go enjoy your CD and STFU.

OK Zan I will as you so eloquently put it STFU, but only after I call you on yet another inconsistency and actually get you to answer a question head on. You said, "I only like DDY stuff from GI and PO8"..OK that is about 6-7 songs that DDY contributed to those two albums. But if you look at Styx, they have probably released, what 140 or so original songs as Styx? Probably 75 or so are contributed by DDY. And you like 6 of them. So, again I ask you, if you don't like 90% of the music contributed by DDY, why the fuck are you here? It goes beyond personal - you don't like his music. I have not hidden the fact that I dislike and disrespect Tommy Shaw and JY personally. I think Tommy Shaw is a two faced lying weasel (who has been caught numerous times in lies about what really went down) and that JY in the devil incarnate. But guess what? I still like their music. I like a ton of Tommy songs, and while JY is not my favorite musically, there are a handful of his songs that I can tolerate. So, that would be the majority of Styx's music. That is different from you - you bash him personally and you bash him professionally. I'm sure if he had given you that hug you wanted back in 1986 or whenever it was, you might have a different opinion, but the facts are you can't stand the guy or his music and this guy contributed more than 50% of all Styx output (and I won't even get into the fact that he produced all of it). So, again my question is, why are you here? Why do you like this band?

[rajah2165]

Zan just states her point of view, like the rest of you. She is up front that she doesn't prefer Dennis' style of music. She doesn't hide it. And she is consistent with what she says. Hell, she even has good things to say about Dennis' music when she doesn't gravitate to it in the first place. She has more to say than just about Styx.

We all have our own favorite incarnation of STYX. Some of us actually accept all of them for what they were or are. Personally, I go to whatever is available at the time. I've seen STYX twenty something times and Dennis a half dozen times. I enjoy them both. I just don't get bent on the egomaniacs being egomaniacs. It's part of the saga of STYX. It's not like Dennis being tossed out of the band was equal to someone wronging a family member.

It is usually the posts of the opposition (if that's the best word to use) that allows the other side to respond. If you are going to choose not to give credibility to what others say in here. Then so be it. It is your loss. It also speaks to the close mindedness of some that post in here.

[/quote]

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm.....

[stabbim]

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm.....

That's a botched quote. NH actually said it.

[DarwinNebraska]

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm.....

That's a botched quote. NH actually said it.

Your quote is botched too wise guy.

[stabbim]

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm.....

That's a botched quote. NH actually said it.

Your quote is botched too wise guy.

Really? How do you figure?

[DarwinNebraska]

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm.....

That's a botched quote. NH actually said it.

Your quote is botched too wise guy.

Really? How do you figure?

I never said:

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm...

Which you have attributed to DarnwinNebraska... which is fairly close to my screen name.

Either you're clueless or trying to be cute... which is it?

[Andrew]

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm.....

Did I or did I not ask you to stop harrassing Zan?

[stabbim]

I never said:

Interesting..someone "making their debut" and the first post - the first thing they want to get off their chest is to defend Zan...hmmmm...

Which you have attributed to DarnwinNebraska... which is fairly close to my screen name.

Oh my stars, you're right. My apologies, sir. I can't imagine how that happened.

I'll be more careful in the future.