JC (Friga) Saint or Sinner - take no prisoners?

[SusieP]

As far as Schon goes, and him supposedly being Jeff's buddy, I don't think so. If he was, he should have stepped up and threatened to walk if Jeff got canned. That would have ended it right there.

Or if not threatened to walk too, at least phone the guy.
All band members must have known what had happened. All band members have access to a phone and all band members have fully functioning digits on their hands.
It appears none of them have any conscience - or if they do, none of them have the guts to do what's right.

Like the Augeri business, all members are culpable IMO.
And Matt's just being distracted by that red piano.

[Deb]

:lol:

I love when that happens here.

We should all run around with press passes, Rex Harrison Hats, bowties, notebooks, pencils in our ears and the nickname "Scoop."

LMAO, now there is a visual!

[Deb]

As far as Schon goes, and him supposedly being Jeff's buddy, I don't think so. If he was, he should have stepped up and threatened to walk if Jeff got canned. That would have ended it right there.

Or if not threatened to walk too, at least phone the guy.
All band members must have known what had happened. All band members have access to a phone and all band members have fully functioning digits on their hands.
It appears none of them have any conscience - or if they do, none of them have the guts to do what's right.

Exactly Susie!

[NealIsGod]

:lol:

I love when that happens here.

We should all run around with press passes, Rex Harrison Hats, bowties, notebooks, pencils in our ears and the nickname "Scoop."

[SusieP]

As far as Schon goes, and him supposedly being Jeff's buddy, I don't think so. If he was, he should have stepped up and threatened to walk if Jeff got canned. That would have ended it right there.

Or if not threatened to walk too, at least phone the guy.
All band members must have known what had happened. All band members have access to a phone and all band members have fully functioning digits on their hands.
It appears none of them have any conscience - or if they do, none of them have the guts to do what's right.

Exactly Susie!

Letting a band member go is like dumping a boyfriend or girlfriend IMO - it's a tough thing to do, because you don't want to hurt their feelings - but you know the right thing is to TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE! You feel better for it in the end and they will later respect you for it.

Why am I still going on about this travesty? I'm supposed to have gotten over it.


I acknowledge Cain's part in creating the magic which was the classic Journey, of course I do. But I think 'Faithfully' sucks. So there. Ner ner ner ner ner!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fyre, your initial post was a good one. There were two mistakes in it though. 1) It could have been just as good of a post without calling Matt out on it. (poor Matt's been getting flogged constantly in this thread) 2) Larry Londin recorded ROR, bubble head Baird just toured it.

As far as Schon goes, and him supposedly being Jeff's buddy, I don't think so. If he was, he should have stepped up and threatened to walk if Jeff got canned. That would have ended it right there. But he let Azoff make decisions for his band. Let me tell you, if they replaced Perry, then they could certainly replace Cain. Schonny, I'm not so sure about.

Way to keep firing back Matt. I've felt sorry for you in this one. Cain sucks by the way.

1) Matthew's more of a drama queen than me AND he's more than capable of hammering this one out against anybody - I knew what I was doing when I called him out!

2) Larry Londin and Steve Smith played on ROR - my memory's failing me at the moment - wasn't there another studio drummer, too? Anyway, I was referring to the tour and not the studio album.

[ArnelRox]

[ArnelRox]

[chf34jmac]

unmasculine - Holy shit someone just got bitch slapped!

[ArnelRox]

[NealIsGod]

1) Matthew's more of a drama queen than me

I have to agree w/u AGAIN. I am seriously questioning how light his loafers really are

Anyone who lists ROR as their favorite Journey album is either:

A) a woman

B) a man who wants to be a woman (except for 13 - I don't know what his problem is).

[Red13JoePa]

Oh here we go...the elusive insider information technique....an old favourite with Deano and Susie too...

?????? Me???????

Well, you are given to citing "credible sources" and "reliable sources."



How does one get a source, anyway?

I might want 1 or 2 sometime.

[mrmusicman73]

Matthew,

I may not be fully aware but are you referring to his REMAKE of Faithfully? If that's the case then I wouldn't exactly call it making it songwriting wise on his own. If it is some other song then I apologize in advance. The faithfully remake is the only recent one I was aware of.

Sure, Perry made that song famous - but still...JC wrote and sang the thing....and it was sold under his name.

But I'm not disputing that Cain needs a singer to bring his music alive. All I'm saying is I don't understand why there's such a hate campaign against the guy because he didn't hit it off with JSS. Chemistry either happens or it doesn't. And for all we know Cain really wanted to make it work....

And who's to say that there wasn't any chemistry? It seems to me that the most crucial factor in JSS' departure was the utter indifference of the labels to this new line-up. Something must have happened in May/June that must have convinced Journey that they had no future as a recording act. And maybe JSS was unhappy with simply singing the old songs?

Many people keep talking about how Cain now wants to protect the Journey legacy, his remaking of "Faithfully" proves that he is not concerned. Why would you take one of your best songs and destroy it? That's what he did in my opinion with the remake, it is terrible.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Matthew,

I may not be fully aware but are you referring to his REMAKE of Faithfully? If that's the case then I wouldn't exactly call it making it songwriting wise on his own. If it is some other song then I apologize in advance. The faithfully remake is the only recent one I was aware of.

Sure, Perry made that song famous - but still...JC wrote and sang the thing....and it was sold under his name.

But I'm not disputing that Cain needs a singer to bring his music alive. All I'm saying is I don't understand why there's such a hate campaign against the guy because he didn't hit it off with JSS. Chemistry either happens or it doesn't. And for all we know Cain really wanted to make it work....

And who's to say that there wasn't any chemistry? It seems to me that the most crucial factor in JSS' departure was the utter indifference of the labels to this new line-up. Something must have happened in May/June that must have convinced Journey that they had no future as a recording act. And maybe JSS was unhappy with simply singing the old songs?

Many people keep talking about how Cain now wants to protect the Journey legacy, his remaking of "Faithfully" proves that he is not concerned. Why would you take one of your best songs and destroy it? That's what he did in my opinion with the remake, it is terrible.

EXACTLY!!!

[ArnelRox]

[NealIsGod]

Many people keep talking about how Cain now wants to protect the Journey legacy, his remaking of "Faithfully" proves that he is not concerned. Why would you take one of your best songs and destroy it? That's what he did in my opinion with the remake, it is terrible.

EXCELLENT point.

But I'll bet Perry approved it.

[ArnelRox]

[ArnelRox]

[Red13JoePa]

Well, you are given to citing "credible sources" and "reliable sources."



How does one get a source, anyway?

I might want 1 or 2 sometime.

Well I take what Andrew says here as gospel. Deano's blogs haven't been wrong yet. There u go. 2 sources. Don't ever say I didnt do something nice for u

Well we all have Andrew as a source and a lot of us have Deano as a source. What other ones?

Come to think of it I have some,too, actually but none are credible and they have zero reliability.

Just the way I like it.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

1) Matthew's more of a drama queen than me

I have to agree w/u AGAIN. I am seriously questioning how light his loafers really are

Lighter than mine apparently!

I like ROR, too!

I know this line of questioning is all in good fun but do we really have to go there? Matthew brings A LOT to this board and that's precisely why I started this thread - because I knew he'd lay out some great points.

[Moon Beam]

Well we all have Andrew as a source and a lot of us have Deano as a source. What other ones?

Come to think of it I have some,too, actually but none are credible and they have zero reliability.

Just the way I like it.

Bit jiggly tonight JoePa?...... ...........love it.

[Matthew]

Why do u keep calling us names when we disagree w/u then?

I'm sorry I called you a bedwetter, Susie.

He was there at the right time & place in music history & clicked w/Perry as far as songwriting. That's all.

That's all? You make out that it's no big deal...that co-writing an album which sells 9 million copies is a piece of piss.

Yes it does. Big time. That's my perogative. Speaking of adolescent and girlish tho, isn't ur hero-worship of the guy a little too unmasculine?

Well, you must have a tiny record collection then if your listening habits are dictated by this self-righteous morality of yours.

As for hero worship...well, I admire the guy in many ways but I wouldn't trust him. And I'm certainly not blind to his ruthlessness and his nerdishness.

Does defending Jonathan Cain make me "unmasculine"? Don't be ridiculous.

[mistiejourney]

I don't care. It's a fact.

The American and English charts matter WAY more than the Lichtenstein top 40 or the Alsasce-Lorraine Hot AC.

I think I just choked on a potato chip - note to self, liquids only on this board!

[Rick]

I think I just choked on a potato chip - note to self, liquids only on this board!

Yes, liquids and supplies to clean the spewed liquids off of the monitor.

[conversationpc]

Does defending Jonathan Cain make me "unmasculine"? Don't be ridiculous.

You're absolutely correct.

[Andrew]

. I guess I'm just trying to give credit where it's due.

I'll give JSS credit for breathing new life into Journey's nostalgia shows for eight months. Absolutely. But the other achievements - such as the New Direction, the Comeback, the Relevant In The Industry Again scenarios - didn't actually happen Fyre, did they? I guess we can credit JSS for having had potential...but the rest is just wishful thinking.

He wasn't given the chance for any of this to happen/develop. Step 1 was a resounding success and then he had his legs chopped off. I guess all the resentment comes from the fact the band were all over JSS as were fans and the media, then zero. And all without explination thus far.

[Andrew]

PS. Thanks to all for keeping this debate on the straight and narrow without any personal attacks. Brilliant and AT LAST!

[Perry86fan]

1) Matthew's more of a drama queen than me

I have to agree w/u AGAIN. I am seriously questioning how light his loafers really are

Lighter than mine apparently!

I like ROR, too!

I know this line of questioning is all in good fun but do we really have to go there? Matthew brings A LOT to this board and that's precisely why I started this thread - because I knew he'd lay out some great points.

Fyre & Matthew, i have to say i have enjoyed this thread so much. I have learned alot as well everyone has had great input.
I love the ROR cd

[Rockindeano]

PS. Thanks to all for keeping this debate on the straight and narrow without any personal attacks. Brilliant and AT LAST!

Shit, I had a master post drawn up where I was going to slay Matthew's ass to smithereens too. Fuck!

[Monker]

Fyre, your initial post was a good one. There were two mistakes in it though. 1) It could have been just as good of a post without calling Matt out on it. (poor Matt's been getting flogged constantly in this thread) 2) Larry Londin recorded ROR, bubble head Baird just toured it.

As far as Schon goes, and him supposedly being Jeff's buddy, I don't think so. If he was, he should have stepped up and threatened to walk if Jeff got canned. That would have ended it right there. But he let Azoff make decisions for his band. Let me tell you, if they replaced Perry, then they could certainly replace Cain. Schonny, I'm not so sure about.

Way to keep firing back Matt. I've felt sorry for you in this one. Cain sucks by the way.

1) Matthew's more of a drama queen than me AND he's more than capable of hammering this one out against anybody - I knew what I was doing when I called him out!

2) Larry Londin and Steve Smith played on ROR - my memory's failing me at the moment - wasn't there another studio drummer, too? Anyway, I was referring to the tour and not the studio album.

#1, Mathew is right.

#2, NOBODY officially replace Ross Valory and Steve Smith during ROR.