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Postby NoMoreTails » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:15 am

Tomulator wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:I love Luke but he's a distant second to Neal and no one plays what the song calls for better than Neal..


The truth is, I LOVE NS's playing...always have. Some things he does better than ANYONE else. It's just that, note-for-note, in my opinion, Luke is better. Probably the best indication of Luke's talent lies in the opinions of his peers. They all say he absolutely SMOKES on the instrument.)

Peers have been well documented saying the same about Neal.

Tomulator wrote:One additional thing I really like about Luke is his humble attitude about his playing. He never draws attention to himself...always gives the "other" guitar player the credit.

Agree, no doubt Neal has the bigger ego. Have read Luke interviews showing how humble he is despite being one of the greats.

Tomulator wrote:[The man can FLAT OUT PLAY...ask anyone in "the know".

Never denied this despite not being "in the know".
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:19 am

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larryfromnextdoor wrote:guitar playing is subjectional,, classical , jazz, rock , metal ,, all have their heroes..

Segovia , i gaurantee, would hate everyone mentioned on this thread, he is the master guitar player of the 20th century, UNTOUCHABLE classical acoustic! . ..but i would bet big money that he never plugged into a 100 watt marshall stack with a les paul custom and played with a band.. and felt the amp volume and the back of his leg..

if you want to hear the greatness of Neal Schon , this last tour,, listen to a boot of Still They Ride... if your driving in your car be careful!! :wink:


I doubt Segovia would hate Al Dimeola.......


Di Meola is awesome. I don't have any of his albums but quite a few downloaded MP3s.

As far as Segovia goes, I wouldn't say he was untouchable. Christopher Parkening is near his equal in my opinion and there are probably others.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:20 am

conversationpc wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:guitar playing is subjectional,, classical , jazz, rock , metal ,, all have their heroes..

Segovia , i gaurantee, would hate everyone mentioned on this thread, he is the master guitar player of the 20th century, UNTOUCHABLE classical acoustic! . ..but i would bet big money that he never plugged into a 100 watt marshall stack with a les paul custom and played with a band.. and felt the amp volume and the back of his leg..

if you want to hear the greatness of Neal Schon , this last tour,, listen to a boot of Still They Ride... if your driving in your car be careful!! :wink:


I doubt Segovia would hate Al Dimeola.......


Di Meola is awesome. I don't have any of his albums but quite a few downloaded MP3s.

As far as Segovia goes, I wouldn't say he was untouchable. Christopher Parkening is near his equal in my opinion and there are probably others.

parkening was segovias student.. he sure may equaled the master,,
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Postby Behshad » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:21 am

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conversationpc wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:guitar playing is subjectional,, classical , jazz, rock , metal ,, all have their heroes..

Segovia , i gaurantee, would hate everyone mentioned on this thread, he is the master guitar player of the 20th century, UNTOUCHABLE classical acoustic! . ..but i would bet big money that he never plugged into a 100 watt marshall stack with a les paul custom and played with a band.. and felt the amp volume and the back of his leg..

if you want to hear the greatness of Neal Schon , this last tour,, listen to a boot of Still They Ride... if your driving in your car be careful!! :wink:


I doubt Segovia would hate Al Dimeola.......


Di Meola is awesome. I don't have any of his albums but quite a few downloaded MP3s.

As far as Segovia goes, I wouldn't say he was untouchable. Christopher Parkening is near his equal in my opinion and there are probably others.

parkening was segovias student.. he sure may equaled the master,,


Just the same way with Satch-Vai ,,,
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:22 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:parkening was segovias student.. he sure may equaled the master,,


Yeah, I remember reading that before. Both guys are excellent but I have to be in the right mood to listen to that kind of stuff.
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Postby Little Lenny » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:22 am

I dont think there is one player better than the other, I think it's all in the EAR of the beholder ,for me, gutatrist that I class as amazing, brilliant fantastic..whatever way you can describe it are

Angus Young
Eddie Van Halen
Rory Gallagher
Scott Gorham
Segovia( I know classical flamenco but brilliant)
Matthias Jabs
Howie Simon
Pontus Norgren
Pete Lesperance


Some may think yeah I can go with that some may not.. it's just personal tatse that dictates at the end of the day. I suppose if we look at it, really all players are brilliant in the fact that they can play, some people would give anything for that talent....
Bottom line it doesnt matter who is the best... :)
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Postby Socratic Methodist » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:31 am

Little Lenny wrote:I dont think there is one player better than the other, I think it's all in the EAR of the beholder ,for me, gutatrist that I class as amazing, brilliant fantastic..whatever way you can describe it are

Angus Young
Eddie Van Halen
Rory Gallagher
Scott Gorham
Segovia( I know classical flamenco but brilliant)
Matthias Jabs
Howie Simon
Pontus Norgren
Pete Lesperance


Some may think yeah I can go with that some may not.. it's just personal tatse that dictates at the end of the day. I suppose if we look at it, really all players are brilliant in the fact that they can play, some people would give anything for that talent....
Bottom line it doesnt matter who is the best... :)


If you like Lesperance from HS, please check out Mike Dmitrovic, from Emerald Rain. In MY opinion, he puts Pete to sleep.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:37 am

Behshad wrote:Just the same way with Satch-Vai ,,,
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In their case, I prefer Satriani's music though I would consider Vai to be the slightly better player technically. I don't know, they are both very talented, though.
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Postby Socratic Methodist » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:40 am

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Behshad wrote:Just the same way with Satch-Vai ,,,
8)


In their case, I prefer Satriani's music though I would consider Vai to be the slightly better player technically. I don't know, they are both very talented, though.


I think you hit on it, Dave.....

Just like Football. Everyone says Peyton Manning is the better QB as far as stats and QB skills. But I'd rather have Brady as my QB. And this is coming from a Lion fan....LMAO

Vai may be more technical, but I enjoy Satch more.
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Postby Liam » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:00 am

I don't feel like going back and reading the other 4 pages again...but from the looks of it...NOBODY has mentioned John Petrucci of Dream Theater or Alex Lifeson of Rush.
Alex is a VERY underrated guitarist. Very instinctive player and in some ways..blows Neal's doors off.
Petrucci...just PHENOMINAL. The guy can play anything. He can play something emotional and simple and he can just plain SHRED. One of the best I've ever seen. I'd like to see a Schon/Petrucci guitar duel. THAT would be Fanfuckingtastic.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:04 am

Liam wrote:I don't feel like going back and reading the other 4 pages again...but from the looks of it...NOBODY has mentioned John Petrucci of Dream Theater or Alex Lifeson of Rush.
Alex is a VERY underrated guitarist. Very instinctive player and in some ways..blows Neal's doors off.
Petrucci...just PHENOMINAL. The guy can play anything. He can play something emotional and simple and he can just plain SHRED. One of the best I've ever seen. I'd like to see a Schon/Petrucci guitar duel. THAT would be Fanfuckingtastic.


Lifeson is a great player but I don't think he blows Neal's doors off. Lifeson is a great rhythm player, probably better than Neal, but I don't care for his soloing.

Petrucci is amazing. I have DT's "Live Scenes in New York" and not only is he astounding but the interplay between his guitar playing and Rudess' keyboards are amazing, not to mention Myung and Portnoy. That whole band is amazing.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby Journey/Survivor » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:04 am

Behshad wrote:
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JR (Susie) wrote:U know for years I thought Neal was really a God w/his guitar. I now think I was blinded by the way Perry sang alongside it. I've been listening a bit closer to other guitar players. I got turned onto Yngwie by my friend Behshad here. I checked out a few tunes & man, he's amazing. Way superior to Neal.

Then I listened to the track our own Larry From Next Door did w/Jeremey singing. U know what Larry is a better guitarist than Neal these days. Seriously. Neal no longer plays w/feeling. He just shreds now. He's gone downhill all the way.

I was also checking out the FTLOSM boots. Lincoln Brewster is amazing on those Journey songs. He played them respectfully & really well. Comparing those boots w/more recent Journey boots, I just get the feeling that Neal just rushes thru them to get a paycheck these days.


I couldn't possibly disagree more!

I'm a guitarist myself, and IMO Neal Is far superior to Malmsteen, and yes, I have several of Malmsteen's albums.

Neal can play with emotion that Malmsteen couldn't dream of.
Neal is far, far more versatile, there's pretty much no style that Neal can't play.
Neal's picking hand is just as fast as Malmsteens, if not even faster.
Malmsteen's fretting hand may possibly be slightly faster than Neals, but that's not for sure, and if it is it's only slightly faster?

As my original guitar teacher told me many years ago, "Carlos Santana can say more with 1 note than Malmsteen can with a thousand." And the same can be said of Neal Schon.

Neil Zaza, who is a great guitarist in his own right, and who I've met living here in Cleveland (and who was a good friend of mine's guitar teacher way back) and Zaza's favorite guitarist used to be Malmsteen, but for about the last 18 years Neal Schon is now his favorite guitarist.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash Malmsteen by any means, I am a fan of his playing and he's a great player in some areas. But IMO Neal Schon is head and shoulders better than him.

If you love Malmsteen's playing, then you should give a listen to a guitarist by the name of Tony McAlpine. McAlpine's playing is a lot like Malmsteen's, not to mention that both Steve Smith and Deen Castronovo have played on a couple of his albums.

For that matter you should also checkout some of Neil Zaza's playing, he's an awesome guitarist, and both Steve smith and Ross Valory have played on a couple of his albums.




dude get a grip
Neal is NOT superior to Yngwie.


apparently u dont know much about guitar players.How can u say Yngwie doesnt play with emotion.
I just want u to liten 2 these 5 songs, so u can eat your words:
Black Star
Brothers
Dreaming
Guardian Angel
Leviathan

Neal is a great guitar player,,,,,but he is not better than Yngwie. its not a matter of opinion, but the reality.

funny how u woulld bring up a head and shoulder when talkin about 4' Neal

do a search and find the post with list of 20 players that are better than Neal.



Your being delusional with that post.

Other than maybe speed (and that's very debatable) Neal is superior to Malmsteen, enough said. Really, other than MAYBE speed name one thing that Malmsteen is better than Schon at???

I would think the fact that I've been playing guitar for over 20 years now, and that I've won many guitar competions might mean that I'm qualified to speak about great guitar players.

There is not one Rock guitarist who is clearly better than Neal Schon, the guy is a master at everything on guitar.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:11 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:I would think the fact that I've been playing guitar for over 20 years now, and that I've won many guitar competions might mean that I'm qualified to speak about great guitar players.


I play a little guitar although I'm not really all that great but, regardless, being a guitar player doesn't necessarily qualify you to determine who's better than who unless we're simply talking about technique only. Most of it just has to do with who one prefers or sounds better to a particular person.

There is not one Rock guitarist who is clearly better than Neal Schon, the guy is a master at everything on guitar.


Nah, he's not a master at EVERYTHING. I'm sure he'd probably tell you the same thing himself. He is very good, though. One of the very best.
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Postby Liam » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:14 am

conversationpc wrote:
Liam wrote:I don't feel like going back and reading the other 4 pages again...but from the looks of it...NOBODY has mentioned John Petrucci of Dream Theater or Alex Lifeson of Rush.
Alex is a VERY underrated guitarist. Very instinctive player and in some ways..blows Neal's doors off.
Petrucci...just PHENOMINAL. The guy can play anything. He can play something emotional and simple and he can just plain SHRED. One of the best I've ever seen. I'd like to see a Schon/Petrucci guitar duel. THAT would be Fanfuckingtastic.


Lifeson is a great player but I don't think he blows Neal's doors off. Lifeson is a great rhythm player, probably better than Neal, but I don't care for his soloing.

Petrucci is amazing. I have DT's "Live Scenes in New York" and not only is he astounding but the interplay between his guitar playing and Rudess' keyboards are amazing, not to mention Myung and Portnoy. That whole band is amazing.


That's why I said in SOME ways. His chord structure on some songs is just amazing. And...Take the song Vapor Trail...I'm STILL, after 5 years with that album, finding new things going on with his guitar work on that song. He's very subtle but VERY creative. A lot more so than Schon a lot of the time. And this is the "solos aside" thing. :lol:

As for Petrucci...get the DVD Live at Boudokan (The spelling of that is most likely ALL fucked up. :lol:) and watch the Instrumedley. FUCKING AMAZING. You might be able to find it on youtube come to think of it. If it has the multi-angle version...watch that. A LOT better than the "Scenes" DVD though...try it out. :-)
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby Behshad » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:18 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
JR (Susie) wrote:U know for years I thought Neal was really a God w/his guitar. I now think I was blinded by the way Perry sang alongside it. I've been listening a bit closer to other guitar players. I got turned onto Yngwie by my friend Behshad here. I checked out a few tunes & man, he's amazing. Way superior to Neal.

Then I listened to the track our own Larry From Next Door did w/Jeremey singing. U know what Larry is a better guitarist than Neal these days. Seriously. Neal no longer plays w/feeling. He just shreds now. He's gone downhill all the way.

I was also checking out the FTLOSM boots. Lincoln Brewster is amazing on those Journey songs. He played them respectfully & really well. Comparing those boots w/more recent Journey boots, I just get the feeling that Neal just rushes thru them to get a paycheck these days.


I couldn't possibly disagree more!

I'm a guitarist myself, and IMO Neal Is far superior to Malmsteen, and yes, I have several of Malmsteen's albums.

Neal can play with emotion that Malmsteen couldn't dream of.
Neal is far, far more versatile, there's pretty much no style that Neal can't play.
Neal's picking hand is just as fast as Malmsteens, if not even faster.
Malmsteen's fretting hand may possibly be slightly faster than Neals, but that's not for sure, and if it is it's only slightly faster?

As my original guitar teacher told me many years ago, "Carlos Santana can say more with 1 note than Malmsteen can with a thousand." And the same can be said of Neal Schon.

Neil Zaza, who is a great guitarist in his own right, and who I've met living here in Cleveland (and who was a good friend of mine's guitar teacher way back) and Zaza's favorite guitarist used to be Malmsteen, but for about the last 18 years Neal Schon is now his favorite guitarist.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash Malmsteen by any means, I am a fan of his playing and he's a great player in some areas. But IMO Neal Schon is head and shoulders better than him.

If you love Malmsteen's playing, then you should give a listen to a guitarist by the name of Tony McAlpine. McAlpine's playing is a lot like Malmsteen's, not to mention that both Steve Smith and Deen Castronovo have played on a couple of his albums.

For that matter you should also checkout some of Neil Zaza's playing, he's an awesome guitarist, and both Steve smith and Ross Valory have played on a couple of his albums.




dude get a grip
Neal is NOT superior to Yngwie.


apparently u dont know much about guitar players.How can u say Yngwie doesnt play with emotion.
I just want u to liten 2 these 5 songs, so u can eat your words:
Black Star
Brothers
Dreaming
Guardian Angel
Leviathan

Neal is a great guitar player,,,,,but he is not better than Yngwie. its not a matter of opinion, but the reality.

funny how u woulld bring up a head and shoulder when talkin about 4' Neal

do a search and find the post with list of 20 players that are better than Neal.



Your being delusional with that post.

Other than maybe speed (and that's very debatable) Neal is superior to Malmsteen, enough said. Really, other than MAYBE speed name one thing that Malmsteen is better than Schon at???

I would think the fact that I've been playing guitar for over 20 years now, and that I've won many guitar competions might mean that I'm qualified to speak about great guitar players.

There is not one Rock guitarist who is clearly better than Neal Schon, the guy is a master at everything on guitar.



whos being delusional now!???

dude get a grip,,, we're not talkin about personal prefrences,,, we are talkin about facts,,,, Neal is the master of everything on guitar!? now thats YOUR opinion, but is it true? NO! He's not the MATSER. plain and simple!
Seriously man, with posts like that, you make it clear that youre not sticking to facts , but what YOU like.
I like alot of guitar players,, and I play the guitar myself,,, and its very simple to point out guitar players that can play stuff that Neal will have major problems with. Go to the video i posted earlier and check out Matthew Mill,,, Neal cant do any of that.

And Yngwie, has the speed, but thats not his best ability,,,,, he can write amazing songs,, not just instrumentals but also real rock and roll songs.
Also when was the last time, Neal wrote a whole set, for an entire orchestra!?

Neal is a great guitar player,, but he is far from the best,,, and he is not better than Yngwie. Im going by facts, not actual wishful thinkings.
In your world, YOURE probably better than Yngwie too,.,,,
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby Journey/Survivor » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:42 am

Behshad wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
JR (Susie) wrote:U know for years I thought Neal was really a God w/his guitar. I now think I was blinded by the way Perry sang alongside it. I've been listening a bit closer to other guitar players. I got turned onto Yngwie by my friend Behshad here. I checked out a few tunes & man, he's amazing. Way superior to Neal.

Then I listened to the track our own Larry From Next Door did w/Jeremey singing. U know what Larry is a better guitarist than Neal these days. Seriously. Neal no longer plays w/feeling. He just shreds now. He's gone downhill all the way.

I was also checking out the FTLOSM boots. Lincoln Brewster is amazing on those Journey songs. He played them respectfully & really well. Comparing those boots w/more recent Journey boots, I just get the feeling that Neal just rushes thru them to get a paycheck these days.


I couldn't possibly disagree more!

I'm a guitarist myself, and IMO Neal Is far superior to Malmsteen, and yes, I have several of Malmsteen's albums.

Neal can play with emotion that Malmsteen couldn't dream of.
Neal is far, far more versatile, there's pretty much no style that Neal can't play.
Neal's picking hand is just as fast as Malmsteens, if not even faster.
Malmsteen's fretting hand may possibly be slightly faster than Neals, but that's not for sure, and if it is it's only slightly faster?

As my original guitar teacher told me many years ago, "Carlos Santana can say more with 1 note than Malmsteen can with a thousand." And the same can be said of Neal Schon.

Neil Zaza, who is a great guitarist in his own right, and who I've met living here in Cleveland (and who was a good friend of mine's guitar teacher way back) and Zaza's favorite guitarist used to be Malmsteen, but for about the last 18 years Neal Schon is now his favorite guitarist.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash Malmsteen by any means, I am a fan of his playing and he's a great player in some areas. But IMO Neal Schon is head and shoulders better than him.

If you love Malmsteen's playing, then you should give a listen to a guitarist by the name of Tony McAlpine. McAlpine's playing is a lot like Malmsteen's, not to mention that both Steve Smith and Deen Castronovo have played on a couple of his albums.

For that matter you should also checkout some of Neil Zaza's playing, he's an awesome guitarist, and both Steve smith and Ross Valory have played on a couple of his albums.




dude get a grip
Neal is NOT superior to Yngwie.


apparently u dont know much about guitar players.How can u say Yngwie doesnt play with emotion.
I just want u to liten 2 these 5 songs, so u can eat your words:
Black Star
Brothers
Dreaming
Guardian Angel
Leviathan

Neal is a great guitar player,,,,,but he is not better than Yngwie. its not a matter of opinion, but the reality.

funny how u woulld bring up a head and shoulder when talkin about 4' Neal

do a search and find the post with list of 20 players that are better than Neal.



Your being delusional with that post.

Other than maybe speed (and that's very debatable) Neal is superior to Malmsteen, enough said. Really, other than MAYBE speed name one thing that Malmsteen is better than Schon at???

I would think the fact that I've been playing guitar for over 20 years now, and that I've won many guitar competions might mean that I'm qualified to speak about great guitar players.

There is not one Rock guitarist who is clearly better than Neal Schon, the guy is a master at everything on guitar.



whos being delusional now!???

dude get a grip,,, we're not talkin about personal prefrences,,, we are talkin about facts,,,, Neal is the master of everything on guitar!? now thats YOUR opinion, but is it true? NO! He's not the MATSER. plain and simple!
Seriously man, with posts like that, you make it clear that youre not sticking to facts , but what YOU like.
I like alot of guitar players,, and I play the guitar myself,,, and its very simple to point out guitar players that can play stuff that Neal will have major problems with. Go to the video i posted earlier and check out Matthew Mill,,, Neal cant do any of that.

And Yngwie, has the speed, but thats not his best ability,,,,, he can write amazing songs,, not just instrumentals but also real rock and roll songs.
Also when was the last time, Neal wrote a whole set, for an entire orchestra!?

Neal is a great guitar player,, but he is far from the best,,, and he is not better than Yngwie. Im going by facts, not actual wishful thinkings.
In your world, YOURE probably better than Yngwie too,.,,,



Look, I'm not gonna keep going back and forth on this. But it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black by saying that I'm just going by what I prefer.

You haven't said anything that proves that Malmsteen is as good much less better than Schon.

To say that it's a fact that Malmsteen is better than Schon is just your opinion, and IMO flat out insane.

Anyone remember when that song "We're Stars" was recorded back in the mid 80's? It was from that "Hear N Aid" project that was to raise money for charity.

The guitarists that played on that song were...
Neal Schon
Yngwie Malmsteen
George Lynch
Vivian Campbell
Brad Gillis
Craig Goldy
Donald Buck Dharma
Carlos Cavazo
Eddie Ojeda


Almost everyone said that Neal Schon was either the best player on that song or at least one of the best.
I haven't read one case of anyone having said that Malmsteen was the best player on the song.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:44 am

Don't always take things so personally, Behshad. I think YOU'RE expressing an opinion that you perceive Neal's inability to duplicate some other guitarists' moves.

It seems apparent that the subsequent Neal-bashing on this thread has everything to do with the JSS situation. That reflects on him as a person, but not as a master of his craft. I'm certain Neal could shred it with the best of the speed kings, but he is also a composer with an amazing sense of melody and talents that diffuse across innumerable styles and genres. Yet he has a signature tone, the undercurrent of which is instantly reconizable, but is also indicative of someone who has numerous influences. He has perfected his playing, and has never sounded better.

Dude, I LOVE some of Yngwie's stuff...especially his early material and the JSS album, of course...but he's more like Eddie...one of the best at the world at what he does given the restrictions of his own style. But has he ever forayed into fusion, new age, the blues, AOR, pop, and melodic hard rock? Neal has done all of that and more, and Yngwie's pretty much been all about speed metal and less melodic hard rock. Neal is also stratospherically better at writing great songs.
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Postby Rick » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:18 am

Neal is the best!








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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:26 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:The guitarists that played on that song were...
Neal Schon
Yngwie Malmsteen
George Lynch
Vivian Campbell
Brad Gillis
Craig Goldy
Donald Buck Dharma
Carlos Cavazo
Eddie Ojeda


Almost everyone said that Neal Schon was either the best player on that song or at least one of the best.
I haven't read one case of anyone having said that Malmsteen was the best player on the song.


They said he was "the best player on that song". That doesn't mean he was the best player overall.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby Journey/Survivor » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:41 am

conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:The guitarists that played on that song were...
Neal Schon
Yngwie Malmsteen
George Lynch
Vivian Campbell
Brad Gillis
Craig Goldy
Donald Buck Dharma
Carlos Cavazo
Eddie Ojeda


Almost everyone said that Neal Schon was either the best player on that song or at least one of the best.
I haven't read one case of anyone having said that Malmsteen was the best player on the song.


They said he was "the best player on that song". That doesn't mean he was the best player overall.


Yes, I understand that.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby Behshad » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:53 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:


Look, I'm not gonna keep going back and forth on this. But it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black by saying that I'm just going by what I prefer.

You haven't said anything that proves that Malmsteen is as good much less better than Schon.

To say that it's a fact that Malmsteen is better than Schon is just your opinion, and IMO flat out insane.

Anyone remember when that song "We're Stars" was recorded back in the mid 80's? It was from that "Hear N Aid" project that was to raise money for charity.

The guitarists that played on that song were...
Neal Schon
Yngwie Malmsteen
George Lynch
Vivian Campbell
Brad Gillis
Craig Goldy
Donald Buck Dharma
Carlos Cavazo
Eddie Ojeda


Almost everyone said that Neal Schon was either the best player on that song or at least one of the best.
I haven't read one case of anyone having said that Malmsteen was the best player on the song.


I told you, one of many things Yngwie did, was to compose and perform the songs with the Japanese Orchestra.
Its not just my opinion, its the opinion of the actual guitar players and those who study guitar players.
Yngwie's name is associated with Guitar and Neoclassical Music, just like anyone know Hendrix, Vai, Satriani and Van Halen.
There's many people who have no clue who Neal Schon is and if they do they will laugh at you for saying he is the MASTER.
When it comes to the top guitar players such as the one I mentioned above,, plus Tony McAlpine, Michalngelo, John Norum,
John Petrucci, they are known skilled guitar players. Neal is just "that guitar player from that band where Perry used to sing"
Now just cause he isnt as known for his works and solo's doesnt mean he isnt that good.
I do think Neal is under rated. He is better than he is known for. I for one, didnt know how good he was till I saw him live.
but I have seen Yngwie live(12 times) and I can tell you, he is superior to Neal.... not just cause of what I think, not because of the songs.
because of the OVERALL skills,,, not speed,, SKILL,,,,, Sure speed helps,,, but the stuff Yngwie does are a class or two higher than Neal


Speaking of songwritting,,,, Naughtius Maximus,,, dude you gotta follow Yngwies carrier to see what kind of stuff he writes.
He has writtien over 30 GREAT melodic rock songs. I can burn them all and send them to you
he has written a dozen of classic power ballads,.,,,
he has written a hand full of GREAT Blues songs
and of course his trademark instrumentals.

Now , Is Yngwie realy for everyone to listen to? No.... You have to be a musician to enjoy half of his stuff.
Does he have any flaws? Yes he does,,, as good as he is,, he tends to overplay some solos in some songs
and totally ruin them,,,,,,
So based on that, I can tell you Yngwie is not the best either,,, he may the best to some people,,, but to me, he was the best at one point when
he came with somethin no one had ever done before... but ever since then , a lot has happened....
On the other hand, I can not recall anything Neal ever done that revolutionized the guitar industry.

Clearly we'll never see things eye to eye...
Theyre both great guitar players. One is always better than the other, depending who youre asking,
but if you put the biased opinions aside and pay attention to ALL the songs theyve produced and actually
listen through their entire discography, you will have a better chance of understanding which one may actually
be better than the other.....

ONE thing that theyre both GREAT at is treating singers like shit!!
8)

peace to both of you


*To those who think I am bashing neal,,, I am not,, I think I have mentioned it more than once on this thread that I think he is
a great guitar player.
I dont agree with what he did to Jeff. but that doesnt take away from his music skills. He is still an amazing musican.
But keep in mind , I DID say he isnt the best and there are many better than him, BEFORE he dumped Jeff.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:35 am

Behshad wrote:Speaking of songwritting,,,, Naughtius Maximus,,, dude you gotta follow Yngwies carrier to see what kind of stuff he writes.
He has writtien over 30 GREAT melodic rock songs. I can burn them all and send them to you
he has written a dozen of classic power ballads,.,,,
he has written a hand full of GREAT Blues songs
and of course his trademark instrumentals.


I've been watching/listening to the videos of him on Youtube a lot lately. The dude needs to get together with Andre Andersen from Royal Hunt, since they're both so classically influenced and write some serious classically-influenced progressive metal.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby Behshad » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:47 am

conversationpc wrote:
Behshad wrote:Speaking of songwritting,,,, Naughtius Maximus,,, dude you gotta follow Yngwies carrier to see what kind of stuff he writes.
He has writtien over 30 GREAT melodic rock songs. I can burn them all and send them to you
he has written a dozen of classic power ballads,.,,,
he has written a hand full of GREAT Blues songs
and of course his trademark instrumentals.


I've been watching/listening to the videos of him on Youtube a lot lately. The dude needs to get together with Andre Andersen from Royal Hunt, since they're both so classically influenced and write some serious classically-influenced progressive metal.


Totally Agree with you Dave!!!

I love the fact that You and I agree on things more and more.... well besides politics of course! :lol: 8)
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Postby Liam » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:01 am

OH...another great guitarist...Reb Beach. I know a lot of people mock Winger/Dokken, but the guy is fantastic aside from the really bad "sex faces" he makes while playing. :lol: Check out Dokken's Live From The Sun dvd/cd and listen to his playing on "Too High To Fly". AWESOME solo.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:04 am

Behshad wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Behshad wrote:Speaking of songwritting,,,, Naughtius Maximus,,, dude you gotta follow Yngwies carrier to see what kind of stuff he writes.
He has writtien over 30 GREAT melodic rock songs. I can burn them all and send them to you
he has written a dozen of classic power ballads,.,,,
he has written a hand full of GREAT Blues songs
and of course his trademark instrumentals.


I've been watching/listening to the videos of him on Youtube a lot lately. The dude needs to get together with Andre Andersen from Royal Hunt, since they're both so classically influenced and write some serious classically-influenced progressive metal.


Totally Agree with you Dave!!!

I love the fact that You and I agree on things more and more.... well besides politics of course! :lol: 8)


Dang! Gotta do somethingn to stir up some stuff here...

You suck! :wink:

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Postby heardonthestreet » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:21 am

Neal has the honor of being the most underrated guitarist. What does that mean? Why is he underrated?Is it because those that know him, know that he's a fine musician but only those people? Is it because he isn't a household name like so many of the others and why isn't he a household name?

Maybe he should go on tour by himself. Just Neal Schon in concert. OK, maybe a little help! Let's say, Journey's Neal Schon in concert. Worth a try, to finally get a rating.
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Postby Tomulator » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:54 pm

Still think Luke tops Neal.

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Postby Rick » Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:34 pm

Tomulator wrote:Still think Luke tops Neal.

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Well of course you do. You keep on telling yourself that, and you should never feel foolish for your opinion. Don't let anyone make you feel that way. Ever. I'm sure Mr. Lukather appreciates your support and would be flattered by your comments. Good for you Tom.
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Postby Arkansas » Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:49 pm

"NS shreds too much now."

Define 'now'. Some heard him play in May. Some in Europe. A lot of us heard him last year.
Haven't heard anything new in a couple of years. Aside from Journey's GH live shows, I don't think Soul Sirkus was just shredding.
Please enlighten us. What exactly is he doing NOW? Does anyone know what his playing style is NOW?


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