Journey Arrival

[conversationpc]

All the Things is a great song. What's not to like? Nice of Cain to use an organ in a song at least once.

Easily the worst song on the album, in my opinion.

[ScarabGator]

You rebel, you.

Dude, NOBODY cops to liking Augeri era music here as a general rule. It ain't cool to now.

I was always outspoken against Augeri and Arrival from the get go. Never was a cheerleader over on BT. I had postings removed by the thought police over there, so I stopped posting (a looong time ago).

Did you give him a fair chance? Like I said, I didnt start out as a SA fan. My thought was "How dare he try to replace Steve Perry!" but after seeing the show live and witnessing everyone in the crowd having as good a time as they did in the Perry days I thought "Well, lets listen to Arrival and check it out" Afterwards I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that I did like his sound and some of the new tunes.

[Red13JoePa]

All The Things is a perfect example of the "Arrival is trying to sound like perry era Journey" misnomer.

Not the best or worst song on the album but like KMS TOTALLY different from anything done before. The guitars are extremely heavy on ATT.

[ScarabGator]

Higher Place, Signs Of Life, All the Way, With Your love, and World Gone Wild-All good songs. Never said the best or even comparable with Escape or Frontiers, but not bad.

[ScarabGator]

Check this list out of the Best of 2001-its listed on #8 although none are in particular order:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-2001-No-Part ... B00004YKUY

[Spike]

Arrival is one of my least favorite Journey albums, probably only coming above Generations in their list of achievements (and I include the early prog-rock sets). It's not that I think it's terrible, just that it's bland. The mix is too muddy with the vocals too far down - it always sounds like it's fighting to get out of the speakers or cans. And no, it's not my player! Not one of its songs made it to my iPod; again through my indifference to them rather than hatred. This isn't a TG revisionist opinion, either; it never floated my boat. If "Journey" hadn't been on the label, it wouldn't have been played as much as it was. It was in fairly heavy rotation that first summer.

[conversationpc]

Arrival is one of my least favorite Journey albums, probably only coming above Generations in their list of achievements (and I include the early prog-rock sets). It's not that I think it's terrible, just that it's bland. The mix is too muddy with the vocals too far down - it always sounds like it's fighting to get out of the speakers or cans. And no, it's not my player! Not one of its songs made it to my iPod; again through my indifference to them rather than hatred. This isn't a TG revisionist opinion, either; it never floated my boat. If "Journey" hadn't been on the label, it wouldn't have been played as much as it was. It was in fairly heavy rotation that first summer.

You think the production on "Arrival" is muddy???

I can see that with either "Red 13" or "Generations" but "Arrival" is one of the better production jobs in their catalogue, in my opinion.

[Red13JoePa]

Yea but the lead vox, especially on WGW are not as distinguishablly clear as they are on generations. World gone Wild it almost sounds like Augeri cut that vocal in a spot a pot or shower stall.

[conversationpc]

Yea but the lead vox, especially on WGW are not as distinguishablly clear as they are on generations. World gone Wild it almost sounds like Augeri cut that vocal in a spot a pot or shower stall.

You're right on that one...It was one that was added to the U.S. release at basically the last minute, along with "Nothin' Comes Close", and it definitely sounds different, production-wise, from the rest of the album.

[Rockindeano]

but after seeing the show live and witnessing everyone in the crowd having as good a time as they did in the Perry days I thought "Well, lets listen to Arrival and check it out"

You sure you saw a live rendition of Augeri? Probably not.

[Red13JoePa]

Yea but the lead vox, especially on WGW are not as distinguishablly clear as they are on generations. World gone Wild it almost sounds like Augeri cut that vocal in a spot a pot or shower stall.

You're right on that one...It was one that was added to the U.S. release at basically the last minute, along with "Nothin' Comes Close", and it definitely sounds different, production-wise, from the rest of the album.

Still a terrific song, WGW. It was recorded at a different NYC studio (Avatar or The Power Station) than the rest of the record (except NCC which was The Plant in Sausalito) and the beginning of the song is a distorted recording of New York traffic (hung a mic out a studio window).

I'm privelaged enough to have a live version from 1999.

[ScarabGator]

but after seeing the show live and witnessing everyone in the crowd having as good a time as they did in the Perry days I thought "Well, lets listen to Arrival and check it out"

You sure you saw a live rendition of Augeri? Probably not.

I'm pretty sure he was live. I remember Castronovo did Keep on Running and Mother,Father. He nailed them too!

[conversationpc]

Still a terrific song, WGW. It was recorded at a different NYC studio (Avatar or The Power Station) than the rest of the record (except NCC which was The Plant in Sausalito) and the beginning of the song is a distorted recording of New York traffic (hung a mic out a studio window).

Agreed...I like "Livin' to Do" the best on that album and like WGW about as well as "Higher Place".

I'm privelaged enough to have a live version from 1999.

I believe I've got that as well. I'll have to check when I get home.

[Rockindeano]

but after seeing the show live and witnessing everyone in the crowd having as good a time as they did in the Perry days I thought "Well, lets listen to Arrival and check it out"

You sure you saw a live rendition of Augeri? Probably not.

I'm pretty sure he was live. I remember Castronovo did Keep on Running and Mother,Father. He nailed them too!

What year was this?

[ScarabGator]

Still a terrific song, WGW. It was recorded at a different NYC studio (Avatar or The Power Station) than the rest of the record (except NCC which was The Plant in Sausalito) and the beginning of the song is a distorted recording of New York traffic (hung a mic out a studio window).

Agreed...I like "Livin' to Do" the best on that album and like WGW about as well as "Higher Place".

I'm privelaged enough to have a live version from 1999.

I believe I've got that as well. I'll have to check when I get home.

How does a common Joe like myself score one of those live versions???

[*Laura]

It had its good moments but its not one I can let play straight thru when I'm traveling or something.

Can't say I'm playing that CD too much while travelling,but it's true,I too skip some tunes.Never "Higher Place" and "Live and Breathe" and "To Be Alive Again",tho...The rest,well,depends on my mood I guess.

Although this album doesn't rank too high on my fave J CDs (being a Classic material fan at the core),I do like the overall sound.
It was a decent effort of the entire band.Neal's guitar sound and the majority of his solos managed to keep a familiar Journey-esque feeling all through the album.
"Arrival" was Augeri at his best,before the touring fried his vocal powers.

[ScarabGator]

but after seeing the show live and witnessing everyone in the crowd having as good a time as they did in the Perry days I thought "Well, lets listen to Arrival and check it out"

You sure you saw a live rendition of Augeri? Probably not.

I'm pretty sure he was live. I remember Castronovo did Keep on Running and Mother,Father. He nailed them too!

What year was this?

August 2004

[Rockindeano]

Most likely have lipped, half half assed.

[ScarabGator]

Most likely have lipped, half half assed.

I would hope not. Thats something Journey has never been known for. I've read the storys on here about lip syncing from Augeri but I really dont want to believe it.

[Spike]

You think the production on "Arrival" is muddy???

I can see that with either "Red 13" or "Generations" but "Arrival" is one of the better production jobs in their catalogue, in my opinion.

Yes, that's how I hear it; as if the vocals were struggling to be heard at all. IMO best Journey production (not rating the songs here, just the production) was ROR.

[ScarabGator]

Trial By Fire was pretty sweet.

[AR]

My honest ratings of each song on Arrival as they sound to me now.

1. Higher Place A+
2. All The Way B-
3. Signs Of Life A
4. All The Things C-
5. Loved By You D
6. Livin' To Do C
7. World Gone Wild C
8. I Got A Reason B
9. With Your Love B
10. Lifetime Of Dreams B-
11. Live And Breathe C+
12. Nothin' Comes Close F
13. To Be Alive Again A+
14. Kiss Me Softly C+
15. We Will Meet Again C

[ScarabGator]

My honest ratings of each song on Arrival as they sound to me now.

1. Higher Place A+
2. All The Way B-
3. Signs Of Life A
4. All The Things C-
5. Loved By You D
6. Livin' To Do C
7. World Gone Wild C
8. I Got A Reason B
9. With Your Love B
10. Lifetime Of Dreams B-
11. Live And Breathe C+
12. Nothin' Comes Close F
13. To Be Alive Again A+
14. Kiss Me Softly C+
15. We Will Meet Again C

[ScarabGator]

My honest ratings of each song on Arrival as they sound to me now.

1. Higher Place A+
2. All The Way B-
3. Signs Of Life A
4. All The Things C-
5. Loved By You D
6. Livin' To Do C
7. World Gone Wild C
8. I Got A Reason B
9. With Your Love B
10. Lifetime Of Dreams B-
11. Live And Breathe C+
12. Nothin' Comes Close F
13. To Be Alive Again A+
14. Kiss Me Softly C+
15. We Will Meet Again C

That seems fair....

[Saint John]

In case anyone forgot: All The Way, #25 AC 2001

Considering AC only has about 30 songs in rotation at any given time, that is TERRIBLE. That song blew. Sony paid for it to break the Top 25. Don't be a fool.

[journeyinto2001]

The thread starter is asking for opinions, so I'm gonna deviate from the consensus so far.

Doesn't help that Augeri can't carry a ballad. He's emotionless and soulless in his delivery. He sounds better with Tall Stories. He's more of a rocker at heart and has a weak ear for melody.

Sounds harsh, but it's my opinion.

I will put Kiss Me Softly AND Augeri's vocal delivery against ANY ballad that Perry sang in his days with Journey. I give you that Perry overall was a FAR superior vocalist in every way to Augeri. But Steve shined brightly on this song, let's be honest for once and give some credit to the man instead of simply jumping at every opportunity to bash Augeri.

[conversationpc]

My honest ratings of each song on Arrival as they sound to me now...

Higher Place = A+
All the Way = D
Signs of Life = B
All the Things = F
Loved By You = C-
Livin' to Do = A+
World Gone Wild = A
I Got a Reason = B-
With Your Love = A-
Lifetime of Dreams = D
Live and Breathe = B
Nothin' Comes Close = C
To Be Alive Again = B+
Kiss Me Softly = C+
We Will Meet Again = C-
I'm Not That Way = C-

[STORY_TELLER]

I was always outspoken against Augeri and Arrival from the get go. Never was a cheerleader over on BT. I had postings removed by the thought police over there, so I stopped posting (a looong time ago).

Did you give him a fair chance?

Sorry, should have clarified. My "get go" was after I purchased Arrival and after I saw the Augeri fronted Journey at the leg of their first tour in NYC (beacon theater show). From there I formed my negative opinion of Augeri fronted Journey, but continued to support in HOPES they would gel more as a new group (hence my purchase of Red13 from Journeymusic.com).

So yes, I'd say I more than gave them a fair shot.

[STORY_TELLER]

I will put Kiss Me Softly AND Augeri's vocal delivery against ANY ballad that Perry sang in his days with Journey.

[Rockindeano]

I will put Kiss Me Softly AND Augeri's vocal delivery against ANY ballad that Perry sang in his days with Journey. I give you that Perry overall was a FAR superior vocalist in every way to Augeri. But Steve shined brightly on this song, let's be honest for once and give some credit to the man instead of simply jumping at every opportunity to bash Augeri.

This has got to be the stupidest, most idiotic statement I have ever read, in my life. It is impossible to back this up. You cannot win this argument. You should be banned for this.